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that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. i'll be back at 5:00 p.m. eastern in "the situation room." for international viewer, "amanpour" is next. for viewers in north america, "newsroom" with pamela brown sitting in for brooke baldwin starts right now. hello, i'm pamela brown in today for brooke baldwin. great to have you along with us on this monday. this is cnn's coverage of the final sprint to wisconsin. today, donald trump and ted cruz are blanketing the battleground state as they gear up for tomorrow's critical primary there. and in just minutes from now, they're holding dueling rallies and of course we'll bring both of them to you live. it's worth mentioning this is the second round of competing events in wisconsin today. the stakes are high to say the least. it's not winner take all. but winner take most. 42 delegates are up for grabs. as trump tries to bounce back
from a rocky week. he is doubling down on his calls for rival kasich to drop out of the race. and cruz taking out his first negative ad against kasich. >> he's 1 in 30. he ought to get the hell out. just like a stubborn guy. he's stubborn. he doesn't want to leave. let me tell you, he hurts me much more than he hurts cruz. cruz wants him out. cruz is wrong. he hurts me. >> there are only two candidates whose names will appear on the ballot. donald trump and myself. under the rules, you have to have won eight states. there are only two candidates who will have met that. the choice will be between me and donald trump and i believe we will win that election. if there is a contested convention, you know, one of the easiest ways to understand that is simply the question, where do the rubio delegates and where do the kasich delegates go, and i think they naturally come to us, and this puts us over a
majority. >> pressure mounting as the candidates steel themselves for what could be a contested convention. let's get right to senior white house correspondent jim acosta. where trump will be speaking any minute now. trump really has to make up ground here. >> yes, i think so, you're right, you heard what trump said at that last rally in wisconsin. a win would certainly change everything in this race. and that is why you're hearing him go after not only ted cruz but john kasich. john kasich is not really a threat in terms of winning the nomination. he wants john kasich out of this race. he's not even competing in wisconsin.
but, you know, there is a fighting spirit. there is this internal memo that was obtained by "the washington post." showing they feel like trump is winning. and he's been trying to clean up after all those remarks. he was talking about the comment to "the washington post" that the country may be heading towards a very major recession. trump said at that rally yes, i said that. but i also believe if i'm elected president, there won't be a recession. he's still capable of creating some controversy. he retweeted a video that talks about the fighting spirit inside the campaign. >> we're at war.
no one wants to admit it but humanity is under attack. one very specific man might be all that stands between humanity and t and. >> that man is my father. >> that video is not even produced by the trump campaign. we run into this all the time. trump supporters are very much behind this candidate despite everything we've heard over the last week. we're not getting any indication they're fleeing from this gop front-runner. it could be an interesting mix in milwaukee. his wife mill lan ya trump will be with him. but it will be just down the street from a bernie sanders rally. that could be a potentially
volatile mix. pam. >> we will be keep being a close eye on that. thank you very much. wins in wisconsin could give both campaigns shots of momentum. if he has any chance of stopping trump short of the delegates he needs. so here to break down the math, cnn's dana bash, chief political correspondent. i want to start with this report. you just got a hold of the internal memo that jim mentioned. what does it say? >> it's this one-page memo. all you have to do is read the line, and i'll keep it clean, digging through the b.s., so that gives you a sense. it's from a senior trump adviser. it was written to the trump
team. the gist of it is basically trying to buck up the team after a bad week by saying trump's worst week is a creation of the media. and going through the reuters tracking poll, which is a poll that is done every day. saying that despite the narrative, trump is still doing well and the memo concludes trump, 1, washington establishment/media, 0. that gives you a sense of what this is. it's kind of a way to, you know, buck people up internally but the fact it was leaked is not an accident, it's the message they want to get out. >> ahead of the primary tomorrow. there's a lot of horse trading going on behind the scenes, right? what's going on right now? >> it's just start, but it's
probably nothing compard to what we will likely see if, in fact, there is no outright republican nominee because of -- or due to the actual context. like we're going to see in wisconsin tomorrow. so there are all kinds of toing and froing. going on for a while, pam, within the cruz campaign, they've had a tremendous organization really from the get go and they've been watching these contests. and not just the contests but the nominating processes that come after the contest. after the media and everybody have left the state. done nad trump's campaign, especially after meeting with the rnc last week, they're kicking it into high gear as well. there's a lot of talk now about whether or not there will be this white knight, somebody who will potentially emerge from the convention if there is no nominee who is not currently
running, and ted cruz in wisconsin campaigning today had a thing or two to say about that. listen to this. >> this fever pipe dream of washington that at the convention they will parachute in some white knight who will save the washington establishment. it is nothing less than a pipe dream. it ain't going to happen. if it did, the people would quite rightly revolt. >> and one of the names that has been talked about on and off is the house speaker paul ryan who i should note is going to be the speaker and the chair of the convention. he's going to be kind of the guy in charge of keeping the trains on track which will not be an easy job. the republican national chair reince priebus told cnn on sunday that he does not believe that paul ryan or anybody else who is not running for president will end up being the nominee.
now, that has changed, that could happen, i've seen it change. when paul ryan said no, he didn't want to be the speaker about 100 times and then he's the speaker. so that could happen. but right now the republican chair is saying huh-uh. >> anything can happen if there's one thing we learned from this race. dana bash, thank you. just ahead on this monday, a revealing new profile on donald trump suggests he now wears a bulletproof vest and has a arsenal of secrets about fox news. plus, at least 20 terrorists reportedly on the run right now. terrorists connected to the attacks in paris and brussels. why do so many businesses rely on the us postal service? because when they ship with us, their business becomes our business.
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john kasich revving in the spotlight today and the new found attention from ted cruz who was on the attack with his first ads targeting the ohio governor and donald trump who's calling for him to drop out. take a listen to what kasich said just a short time ago. >> i'm dropping in, i'm not dropping out. now listen, here's the situation. the reason why trump said kasich
needs to get out. i mean, think about what this guy said. and i want to have my votes. this is not fair. i thought we got out of the sand box years ago. look, they wanted me to get out for a long time. let me tell you what the situation is. why would i get out when i'm the only person, number one who beats hillary in the fall? >> joining me now to discuss, john nicole, political writer, national affairs correspondent for the nation and associate editor for the capital times and wisconsin grown, good to have you on. we just heard john kasich basically saying too bad he's not going anywhere, he's, quote, going to get a heck of a lot of trump's voters. just how devastating is his presence in this race for trump and cruz? trump contends it's worse for him than for cruz. >> trump may be right. john kasich's presence
independent race overall is very significant. it's significant in wisconsin. john kasich has run a remarkable campaign in wisconsin. a little under the radar because there's so much attention to the trump cruz fight. john kasich has recognized that wisconsin lost most of its delegates by congressional district, not by the statewide vote, so he has targeted rural areas and certain more moderate cities frankly. snirt, he saturday night, he was watching basketball in madison with a big crowd of people. i'm not suggesting he's going to win wisconsin, but it is very possible he could come out with a chunk of delegates and it is also quite possible that a good many of those delegates might have gone to donald trump. >> so then let's just kind of hone in on a little more of the direct impact that could have on donald trump versus ted cruz.
who has more to lose? >> in wisconsin, trump has the most to lose because he could well get beat in wisconsin by ted cruz. ted cruz is an unlikely candidate for the rest of the race. remember this, if you look at where we're going from here, new york, pennsylvania, maryland, connecticut, places like that, those are not natural ted cruz turf. but some of them, especially pennsylvania, that might be a good place for john kasich. and so if trump is pushed back, if he is weakened in wisconsin and this race does go forward, as long as kasich comes out of wisconsin with a reasonable number, as long as he looks viable, there's a real chance that the dynamic of wisconsin could be cruz gets a victory he can't get any place else, that weakens trump, but it also creates a bit of an opening not merely for the speculation about
an open convention but also for kasich to begin to position himself as a momentum candidate against a trump. >> hence why so many people are saying wisconsin could really be a big turning point in this race. >> i'm going to look at the democratic side. the bernie sanders campaign has called it devastating if they were to lose in wisconsin. is it really that dramatic? how high are the stakes for hillary clinton there? >> sure. the stakes are incredibly high for sanders in wisconsin because just as i suggested over on the republican side, you've got the notion of a momentum candidacy. a momentum candidacy is different than a delegate candidacy. the delegate numbers are what they are and they will also be noted and analyzed. momentum is something else. it's the sense that even if you're not ahead in delegates, you keep moving forward, that people are interested in you, they're engaged with you. for sanders to maintain a momentum candidacy, he needs a wisconsin win. he has to do well in wisconsin.
that then takes him to new york and pennsylvania and the rest of these states. for clinton, there's a little less at stake but it's important. because if clinton gets beat at a significant level, if she's down double digits, of course that is a hit. >> that keeps her in the race longer against bernie sanders. i have to ask you, any predictions for tomorrow in wisconsin? >> sure. my prediction for tomorrow is donald trump will perhaps do a little better than some people expected. he's working incredibly hard. i don't know if he can overtake ted cruz. john kasich will also get a good vote out of wisconsin, more than some people expect. on the democratic side, i think that race has tightened up a little bit. but it certainly looks at this point like sanders who put in incredibly intense effort while clinton is away that sanders is probably going to get that advantage. a lot of people may well be deciding right up till tuesday morning which primary to vote
in, whether they take a democratic ballot or republican ballot so it's a little up in the air. >> hence it big push there today from the candidates. john nichols, really interesting insight from you, thank you very much. >> it's a pleasure to be with you. >> up next on this monday, there's a new report that says there's a growing list of fugitives of an isis inspired terror network on the loose in europe and now authorities there have names to go on. plus, any minute now, donald trump and ted cruz holding competing rallies in wisconsin making their last-minute pitch to voters there. we will bring that to you live. is a party... t ...on every plate - and we're about to keep it going. yeah, you've got three more weeks to try the largest variety of lobster dishes of the year... ...like lobster lover's dream... and new dueling lobster tails. this party can't last so hurry in. you premium like clockwork. month after month. year after year. then one night, you hydroplane into a ditch. yeah... surprise...
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a chilling new report gives details on at least eight key members on an isis-inspired terror network who are on the run now and believed to be operating in europe. accord to report, these men are linked to the terror network behind the bombings that took place in brussels last month and the terror attacks in paris last year. let's bring in our cnn international diplomatic editor nic robertson live in london. what can you tell us about where this investigation into finding these suspects is so far? it's really alarming to think they're still operating in europe as we speak. >> this is a big worry for european intelligence agencies. one of those on the list of
eight who went to syria in the beginning of 2014 with abaaoud, the principal organizer behind the paris attacks. now, that puts him in the frame of somehow being connected. another name we have is najim al hamid. he was picked up by salah abdeslam. he was sort of the fourth suicide bomber, the french national stadium in the paris for the paris attacks. he didn't blow up his explosives. he picked up al hamid in germany, brought him back to brussels at that time. he's on the run. whereabouts unknown. these are sm of the connections. for intelligence agencies at the moment, there was still some uncertainty. there had been reports that he may be dead. isis may have put out pictures of him appearing to be dead to cover his tracks and give him a second lease of life, if you
will. on the other hand, the assessment may finally come back he is indeed dead. these are the things that intelligence ajen advice working with. across europe, the fact these eight men are out there, associated with the paris and brussels attacks, that's a real concern. we saw with salah abdeslam. in the meantime, they could be plotting other attacks that they can turn around very quickly or others in the groups can turn around very quickly if any of them get picked up, pam. >> there are all these different connections. it really gives you a sense this isn't just one big group, that these are sort of multiple groups connected in various ways responsible for these attacks, right? >> sure. if you sort of take a step back, which is what a belgium journalist did about a week ago, he kind of plotted out, okay, who else connected with abaaoud, because he's seen as a principal organizer, and a recruiter, a radical recruiter in belgium who's now in jail but all the people associated with him that he inspired and then sent off to
syria, if you kind of build a couple of rings out from them, belgium authorities have tried in be absentia some of the peop associated with this recruiter, then you get to a number of over 20 people potentially, and of course you can build that out further. it's very hard to put a specific number on it but the rings build out and the concern is across europe as a whole potentially 1,500 people have gone to join isis and come back, 1,500 have come back, and the problem is literally staying on top of that. in the uk, last 18 months, seven plots have been thwarted, you know, every day it's a stretch and a strain to deal with those additional people. have they come back, where are they, how do you track them. so this is the concern going forward. >> and it's not just the ones they know about. what's most disturbing to these officials is what they don't
know. those still operating they don't know about, don't have their names. nic robertson, thank you very much for that reporting, we appreciate it. >> meantime we're getting an inside look at donald trump's small circle of advisers and what may be behind his recent comments that have him in hot water. took a peek behind how the trump campaign operates behind closed doors. the writer describes it as one of the most unrorthodox campaig in history. let's start with this quote from the reporter gabriel sherman who wrote the piece. he talked about how there's a lot of fatigue from the donald trump -- for donald trump, that he's just tired, he's worn out. that's behind his comments this past week. what do you know about that?
>> of course he's worn out. you can hardly blame him for being worn out. when he got into this race, he didn't think he was going to last that long. he thought he was going back to doing "the apprentice" on nbc. his campaign has lasted for more than nine months throughout which he's been the front-runner. he's been going at a rigorous pace. going for, you know, six days a week. often flying back to one of his homes in either new york or florida, you know, in the middle of night sometimes. he gives these speeches. meanwhile, he's doing all of this with a staff that is far smaller than your average political staff. for one of the party's front-runners. he has less than 100 people on his payroll. hillary clinton has eight times that many people on her payroll. really his core campaign fundamentally about 10 or 12 people. the reason for that of course is because donald trump is his own campaign manager. he is the one calling the shots, making the decisions.
basically government veing how thing happens. he's doing it in large part off the cuff. >> in the article he said, i don't need adviser, i'm my own adviser. what's interesting in this article, it said that trump has some damaging information on fox news head roger ailes. saying if ailes ever truly want to war against trump, trump would have the arsenal to large a retaliatory strike. does this perhaps explain why fox news hasn't really gone after trump harder for all his criticism of the network? what do you make of that? >> let's start by separating what we know from what we don't know. what we know is donald trump was associated -- participated in negotiation between roger ailes and his communication chief who was fired. trump helped in the negotiations because he knew both parties. will make you privy to a great
deal of information. as to whether trump has this trove of damaging information he can use, that to me -- that's thinly sourced in the piece. it seems somewhat speculative. you have to ask yourself if trump was holding this arsenal over roger ailes, you have to ask yourself why roger ailes has been so aggressive in taking on trump in terms defending megyn kelly, defending the network's coverage. they really haven't shied away from issuing statements that suggest donald trump isn't fit to be president of the united states. if that's not the sort of thing that's going to provoke him to use this so-called arsenal, what is? >> that's true, you look at that statement, about the ayatollah, you remember that, about a month or two ago. many people said that was pretty harsh. the reporter got a peek behind the curtain of trump's small campaign headquarters. even includes a so-called wall of shame. showing all the candidates who have dropped out of the race.
what does this say about trump and his campaign what we see here? >> we, look, it says a couple things. one, he loves winning. he truly loves winning. in fact, think one thing that article gets to is that's sort of the governing force in his life. he likes to win. by any means necessary. i think he takes great pleasure in sort of being a political hit man and taking off the competition one by one. he's done it very effectively. he's gone after one candidate at a time. he's gone after bush for being low energy. he called him little marco rubio. now going after ted cruz, calling him lying ted. he's strategic in terms of how he goes after his opponents. he takes great pride in his ability to beat them. trump as a brand is based off the concept of winning, of success, picking off the majority of 17 political opponents. i think trump will put that in a win under his belt, whether or not he gets the nomination for his party. >> the article talks about those in his inner circle.
most of them, if not at all, really don't have much of a political background, right, it's really fascinating to look at those he surrounds himself with. >> it's a ragtag band, it's a rogues gallery. yet somehow they've proven very effective in terms of sort of carrying donald trump or following donald trump to the success he's achieved. indeed, the people that trump has selected, that he's surrounded himself with, they're like him. they don't have a background in politics. they do things in an conventional way. i would say the greatest strength is really following trump's lead. trump calls the shots. he does what he need to do. he nodes people who can really put into place his sort of vision for his campaign and who can follow him as he makes these decisions off the cuff. he has that in hz campaign manager and his top spokesperson. they're very, very loyal to him. they always refer to him as mr. trump. never as donald, anything like
that. there's a great deal of loyalty in that small circle of advisers. >> you can really see that. really fascinating. up next on this monday, trump on the economy. he says he will erase the national debt within eight years and claims a very massive recession is on its way into the u.s. we'll get ben stein's take on that. plus, any minute now, donald trump and ted cruz will hold competing rallies in wyy s iies. we'll bring that to you live. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back.
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>> donald trump making some bold economic predictions and the math doesn't add up. first, he says he could pay off the national debt in eight years in office. the national debt, that's $19 trillion. just to show you how huge that is. every man, woman and child in america would need to chip in $59,748 to pay it off. for trump to erase that debt in eight years, he would first have to balance the budget so no more debt is tacked on. that would have to come from congress, so good luck with that. then trump would have to pay down $3 trillion a year. the entire amount the government is spending, just less than $4 trillion. that's a lot of money. trump says he could renegotiate trade deals. somehow balancing the trade deficits. something economists say isn't possible in eight years and could have disastrous consequences if it starts' trade war. trade wars cause recessions and higher deficits when tax receive
kn revenue plunges. he also wants to cut tax rates. that could lower the amount of money the government brings in making the deficit surge. in fact, many tax scorers say his tax strategy, his tax plan, would actually balloon the very deficit that adds to the debt he says he's going to cut. he says he won't touch entitlements. another big spending pot of money. pamela, the map on the national debt claim doesn't add up. >> christine romans, breaking it down for us. donald trump is making another bold claim that the upz is headed for a massive recession. another one. he first made the grim predictions in a ven interview h the "washington post." earlier today, trump repeated his weary outlook on the economy. >> i was interviewed by "the washington post." two great reporters. they did a story. i thought it was a pretty good story. i don't know where they had this
but somebody kcame out that i said we're going -- we're in a bubble, big bubble, could be a really ugly bubble. you know what this is right, bubbles. when they burst, it's not a good thing. and what i said is we're going to go into a massive recession. but i also say if i'm president that's not going to happen. i'm going to straighten things out before it happens. >> let's talk about this with commentator ben stein. thanks for coming on. >> i think the main credential here is economist. in all of my years as an economist, which is roughly 50 years, i've never seen such nonsense as we just heard from mr. trump and it breaks my heart, it makes me want to cry because i'm republican, i've never voted for a democrat, and to think the guy who's our likely standard bearer has such
nonsensical ideas of every single aspect of the economy is just breathtakingly horrible. >> well, you know, when you look at it, though, it's politically expedient for trump to go out there and say the economy is heading down the drain and i can fix it because it keeps his business record in the headlines. political incentive is clear, right? >> the political incentive is clear. i guess he might as well say also men from mars are coming down. but there's just nothing factual about what he's saying. we were not in a bubble. by the way, most of these metrics are measured. the unemployment rate is not 20%, something he's been saying, which is just -- might as well say it's 2 million percent. might as well count the dead as being unemployed. the idea he's going to eliminate the national debt. he might as well say he's going to flap his swings and fly. it's just unbelievable this is coming from the party's leading candidate.
it's just horrifying. i don't know what to say. i'm just so flabbergasted by it, i hardly know how to control myself. >> so on that note, you know, how unusual is it for a front-runner like this of a party to make these dramatic predictions about the economy because oftentimes you hear politicians say, you know, talk about the economy, but this takes it to a whole new level, right? >> it takes it to a whole new record of ridiculousness. maybe we are going to have a recession, but if we are, he doesn't know. mr. warren buffett doesn't know. the people who are making stock price quotes don't know. the leading economist in america doesn't know. he must know something nobody else knows. i don't know where he gets this information but maybe he's getting it from people whispering in his ear. if we are heading for a recession, he doesn't know. there's no sign we're heading for a recession and if we are, he doesn't know and there's no way he's going to be able to fix it. cutting taxes is not going to
fix it. renegotiating trade deals with mexico and china is just a way to start a gigantic recession. i mean, this is a very scary thing. by the way, your previous guest was saying he's tired and needs to rest. maybe he could take a few days of rest, talk to some economists who are actually sane, and get some ideas about how the real world works. his ideas are just bouncing off the moon. >> clearly economic forecasts don't square with what he said. he had to have known economists would come out to set the record straight. isn't it a risky move for him to say these things then in that case? >> you know, i don't know what goes on in his head. he's a force of nature. i don't know what goes on in his head. but it's frightening that he has no economist advisers.
carl icahn, a very smart guy on wall street who's made a great deal of money. steve wynn who runs best hotels in las vegas. but as far as economic advisers, as far as i can tell, he doesn't have any and he desperately things he's saying are wacky as wacky can be. just off the charts. >> ben, let me just say this. as far as his economist advisers, donald trump says he's his best adviser particularly when it comes to the economy. >> that's really scary. >> but you look at the polls and people think that he is the best for the economy compared to the other gop candidates. how do you explain that? >> sheer idiocy. >> so you're calling people who are voting for him in these polls just idiots? >> no, i'm saying they're -- no, not at all. some of my very, very best friends, some of the people i respect most in the whole world are trump fans. but to believe he knows anything about the future of the economy
or how the economy works is just nonsense. this is a guy who's a charming guy. his ideas about defense policy are excellent. his ideas about foreign policy are excellent. his ideas about the economy are just absolutely bewilderingly foolish. >> do you think people are conflating his business record and his success in business with his knowledge about the economy? >> i think something like that is going on. compared with many other very wealthy people, he isn't that successful at all. he's a pauper compared with warren buffett and warren buffett has completely different ideas about the economy from mr. trump. i don't think there's another terribly rich person in america who has the same ideas mr. trump has. the fact that a person is successful in business tells you nothing whatsoever about his abilities to predict future of the economy or know how the economy works. tells you nothing about it at all. it's a whole different deal. making money is a whole did i
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taking a live look here in wisconsin. we see a group of people crowding superior, wisconsin, the site of the rally for donald trump. any moment now we expect him to walk up to the podium. of course we will take that live. in the meantime, there is fresh controversy in europe over a controversial relocation plan for migrants. the first wave included hundreds of people. all part of a plan worked out between the european union and turkey and it's aimed at reducing the influx of illegal immigrants, migrants, in greece. cnn international correspondent phil black is at the turkish port where the migrants were
today. >> we watched as the three vessels that traveled from the greek islands pulled up and started to disembark the migrants. 202 in all. being escorted by european officials for the journey over. then there was a transfer as they were handed over to turkish officials here. taken ashore. identified, registered and moved on to other holding camp s places. for the people who don't come from syria, most from pakistan, some from afghanistan, they are taken to detention centers where turkish officials say they could be returned to their country of origin. the syrians are allowed to stay here. they will be sent to the camps that already house some 2 million syrian people who have fled the conflict in that country. the european union says this deal is necessary in order to remove some of the pressure on
greece. as borders around greece have been closed by individual european countries to migrants, it means that migrants have been stuck in grooeece by the tens o thousands. some 50,000 now. it is hoped that this deal will remove some pressure by transporting some back to turkey but also sending a very clear message that will deter others from making the journey across the sea to greece in the first place. it is not popular with everyone. human rights activists. refugee activists say that it is an abdication of europe's moral responsibility to help these people. they believe greece does not have the resources to properly process all the refugee asylum applications that it will have to. and they're really concerned about sending these people back to turkey. a country which according to amnesty international is increasingly intolerance of refugees here. turkey says it will do all it possibly can to provide refuge and help those, especially those fleeing the syrian conflict.
phil black, cnn, dikili, turkey. any minute now, ted cruz will step out on to the stage at a dueling rally in wisconsin. it is a dueling rally being against his rival trump. cnn is there. what are we expecting to hear? >> hey, pamela, we're here at the cheese castle in kenosha, wisconsin, where we expect senator cruz to arrive any moment. probably sample some cheese and speak to supporters who are here to see him. but it's been interesting to see how much confidence senator cruz has really been projecting as he campaigned here in wisconsin. earlier this morning in madison, he predicted an outright win tomorrow night in the primary. saying right now it's an all hands on deck situation. not necessarily all about the win but making sure they win as many delegates as possible. certainly as he campaigns here,
it's been interesting, really try to cast this as a defining moment. telling voters point blank this is essentially a turning point and the message they send here tomorrow night to voters will really resonate across the country. so trying to turn this into not only a collection of delegates but a collection of momentum. also senator cruz in addition to targeting trump has really been going after john kasich. this is an interesting shift in strategy we've seen from their campaign. releasing their first negative tv ad against john kasich over the weekend running here in wisconsin. certainly a concern at some leave from the cruz campaign. also arguing that john kasich certainly does not deserve to be on that ballot if this goes through a contested convention, pam. >> thank you very much. we'll check back in with you there in wisconsin. and coming up, things are getting pretty nasty on the democratic side. bernie sanders looking to keep momentum on his side with a big win in wisconsin. but storm clouds already forming
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top of the hour now. i'm pamela brown, in today for brook baldwin. nice to have you along. this is coverage of the fierce fight happening right now in wisconsin. today, donald trump and ted cruz are blanketing the battleground state as they gear up for tomorrow's critical primary. holding dueling rallies in a state that very well could decide the fate of this race. and we'll go live to those rallies any minute. be sure to stick around for that. it's not winner take all in wisconsin but winner take most. 42 delegates are up for grabs there. as trump tries to bounce back from a rocky week. he is doubling down on his scorching calls for roival john
kasich to drop out of the race and cruz is jumping on board as well. taking out his first negative ads against kasich. pressure mounting as the candidates steel themselves for what could be a contested convention. meantime, the clash of the candidates is about to get up close and personal. tonight in milwaukee, both donald trump and bernie sanders have staged competing rallies just steps apart from each other. with candidates known to draw huge crowds of passion not supporters, it's safe to say things could get interesting there. cnn's sara sider in joining us from wisconsin where crowds are already gathering. >> most are gathered to go in and see donald trump. he's been here all weekend. he's made that very clear because he knows the polling numbers that have come out have not been favorable for him. he's 10% behind according to the latest poll ted cruz.
he's been hitting this place hard. we are seeing thousands of people every single time he shows up waiting to hear what he has to say. he has told people this morning in lacrosse, wisconsin, that if he can pull off a win here, it's over, people, in the words of donald trump. so you can certainly see that he knows this is important for him. help knows a win here is important. getting those 42 delegates wisconsin has. and he is pushing very, very hard. so far, we've seen very, very few protesters when it comes to all the different events he's had all weekend long. the most we saw was about 50 to 100 people that came out last night. this is his first very, very big, big grouping here. and we expect to see quite a few people. as you said, just a couple of blocks away, bernie sanders is also having a rally. and you know those two groups don't mesh well, pam. >> yes, to say least. sara, thank you for your reporting there. joining me, a.b. stad dord,
associate editor for the hill, and dana bash, cnn chief political correspondent. dana, to you first, just bottom line, how much of a turning point was wisconsin for cruz and trump? >> i don't know it's going to be a turning point but it certainly is going to be a significant marker in this race. because if ted cruz doesn't win this and doesn't win, as you said, most of the delegates, which is, you know, what would happen if he does get a pretty significant win, then it's going to be very, very hard for him to catch up in the delegate count before the convention in july. the flip side is if trump doesn't win, right now the way the polls are going, he still can. it's harder but it's not as hard if cruz does. it's the delegates, then it's also the psychological momentum that cruz can get and will get if he does win wisconsin. that's something at this point
money can't buy and delegates don't matter. they matter a lot but that's something that is kind of the understood idea out there. >> you know, someone i was talking to earlier on the show said there's the delegate race and then there's the the momentum race. both very important here. a.b., speaking of momentum, it seems like ted cruz sees an opening in wisconsin with female voter in the wake of the trump controversial, right? >> i think cruz will take any opening he can. but certainly the polls are looking good. trump's last ten days are looking terrible. in a state like wisconsin where republicans are so organized and are loyal to the governor there, he's popular, really organized and operated well on behalf of his recall election and his re-election. tried to help paul ryan, help mitt romney win the state in 2012. this is a state that's ripe to stop trump. like dana said, if he manages to
win ted cruz, it's a real momentum for people who really want anyone but donald trump and are hoping to see cruz get ahead. certainly, and delegates, even if he were to get almost all of the 42, ted cruz that is, he still has more than 200 delegates, you know, deficit to trump. it's not that trump will be the nominee or make it to cleveland with 1,237, but it would really -- it would really frustrate trump tremendously to have a ted cruz victory in wisconsin. >> let's listen to donald trump speaking now in superior, wisconsin. >> in florida, we won in a landslide. they had thousands of commercials. i turned on the television. i couldn't stand it. i said turn it off, turn it off. during one of the major golf tournaments. it's my golf tournament, during the commercial, before they gave out the trophy to adam scott at
dorell, they come up with a commercial, four in a row, anti-trump. you know, i said something, i just wrote it down, it's called never trump. did you hear this, never trump? do you know what these are? these are establishment people that don't want to see it happen because they're all at the trough, they're all making a lot of money. i don't think in many cases they care who win. they want to keep it going. i just said never trump. if they work this hard to stop obama, obama wouldn't have had a chance, you know that. obama wouldn't have had a chance. so i was writing -- because i'm self-funding my campaign, i'm putting up my own money, right. nobody does this. i guess the last might have been ross perot. i have turned down tens of billions of dollars from special interests. and from people. and frankly from friends of mine. they want to give me millions.
one guy in palm beach recently said donald, we'd like to give you $10 million. now, for me to turn it down is, you know, it's like against migraine. because my whole life i've been taking money. i take, take, take. that's what a business man does, right, or a business woman, we take. we take. and, you know, they come up, i'd like to -- and one guy in particular, he's a very rich guy. member of the club. he said, i'd like to make a major contribution to you or your pac. i said, i don't have a pac. you know all these guys have these phony pacs. i saw where cruz had an event run by his pac. that's not allowed. europe not allowed to do that. they said it was paid for round by his pac. europe not allowed to do that. which -- that's a whole nother story. this guy comes up and said, i'd like to give you whatever money you want for your campaign. i said, i can't take it. he looked and said you're kidding, right? i said, no, i can't take it.
i have turned down so much money. if i would have accepted -- i think bush, jeb, had the biggest of all the pacs. he had like $148 million or something he raised. i think it even got a lot bigger than that. i could have had that times four or five. coming over, i said, you know, i don't think it's appreciated. and i'm not knocking you. but when people look at me and then they look at this guy cruz who's totally controlled by the people who give him the money. 100% totally controlled -- >> donald trump there talking in superior, wisconsin, holding a dueling rally against his rival ted cruz. we're keeping an eye on that as well. i want to go back to our panel and bring in dana bash. because he started, dana, we didn't hear this part, bub he started talking about the establishment and how negative they are toward him. this goes to this leaked memo you've obtained from his inner circle where adviser barry ben intercept says a republican establishment in the media tried to paint last week as the worst week ever for trump.
he said the opposite is true. tell us more about this. >> that's right, this is the memo right here. just a one pager. it is from, as you said, barry bennett, a senior adviser, who's on cnn quite a bit. it's written to corey lewandowski and the rest of the team. the idea in here is try to buck up the staff and get perspective from their point of view on what he even says is media's worst week ever last week. it concludes by saying that the question is -- there's a question they can't grasp which is -- by the way, he means us and the establishment. america is sick of them. their idiotic attacks just remind voters why they hate the washington establishment. so yes, this is the kind of thing that is not a surprise they want us to see it because they believe that the narrative of last week, which, you know,
was earned, donald trump did not have a good week, and even he admitted to a mistake that he almost never does. >> i was going to say for the first time since i can remember, said he made a mistake with that retweet, right? that says something. >> retweeting the pictures, the side by side picture of his wife, the superer model, with a not very flattering picture of ted cruz's wife. he did say this weekend in an interview that he shouldn't have retweeted that. which you're exactly right, pam, i don't remember the last time donald trump has said anything that he regrets. he usually doubles down, triples down, quadruples down. this time, he was a little bit hum belled after the week he had. >> clearly something's going on there. i want to talk about john kasich. he's really the man in the middle here. taking fire from both trump and cruz. for calling for him to drop out. let's listen to how kasich responded to those calls. >> i'm dropping in. i'm not dropping out. you know, listen, here's the
situation. the reason why trump said kasich needs to get out, i mean, think about what this guy said. he said he needs to get out because he's getting my votes and i want to have my votes. this is not fair. i thought we got out of the sand box years ago. no, they all want -- look, they wanted me to get out for a long time. let me tell you what the situation is. why would i get out when i'm the only person, number one who beats hillary in the fall. >> okay, so that's one explanation from kasich. but, a.b., why is he staying in the race? i mean, when you look at the numbers, it's mathematically impossible basically for him to win the necessary delegates, right? why is he staying in this race? >> oh, yeah, he doesn't plan to win at the ballot box between now and july. he plans to win at the convention. and some of the best minds in the party in terms of political operatives are working on kasich's behalf.
as many phone calls as he gets asking him to drop out, he gets a lot of them begging him to stay in. saying he's the only hope of beating hillary, that cruz will go down, that trump will go down. that he's, you know, the only path for rescuing the party. there are many people who still believe there's so little left to lose for the republican party that choosing john kasich over cruz and trump at the convention will an acceptable path because he's the most viable candidate. he's encouraged. i thought the freudian slip about i'm not dropping out, i'm dropping in, was hilarious, because he doesn't pretend to have a path to get the votes because now and the convention. >> trump just addressed him moments ago at this rally. let's listen. >> i didn't think so. but how about kasich? he's won -- how many staptes ar there, like 30? whatever it is, he's won one. i would have won that one if i had two more days.
i stayed in florida to campaign. we won florida in a landslide, won by almost 20 points. i should have left florida a little early but i didn't want to take a chance on losing florida. i went to ohio one extra day, maybe two days, i would have won, we came very close. against him and the machine in ohio, which is fine, i understand it. but here's the guy, he's 1 in 32. the one is his home state. i mean, give me a break. and he almost lost it. he's 1 for 32. he just says, i'm going to keep running. i don't care. he's taking my votes. because he's not taking from cruz, he's taking from me. i said to myself, it's unfair, because marco could have stayed. marco was doing much better than he was. marco could have stayed. they all could have stayed. jeb bush could have stayed, right? you know, he would have liked to have stayed. low energy. he would have stayed. just stay. but they all could have stayed.
if you go by that theory. so i think it's unfair. i will tell you, one thing about kasich, he voted in favor of nafta, which is a disaster. that sucked the businesses from wisconsin and every place else. you have to see new england. just took them away. he voted in favor. and what he wants now is tpp. transpacific partnership. a total disaster for our country. led by the special interests. led by the lobbies. this is going to make nafta look like a baby, folks, and you shouldn't allow it. ted cruz wants it. because his people that give him money are telling him we want it. it's a bad thing for our country. believe me, folks, a really bad thing. >> there we hear trump
addressing kasich calling for him to get out of the race. i want to thank our panel. wish we could talk more, there's so much to discuss, appreciate it, guys. and be sure to stay with us as we build up to wisconsin. our special coverage will take place all day tomorrow right here on cnn. and just ahead, a revealing new profile on donald trump suggests he now wears a bulletproof investment and has a, quote, arsenal of secrets about fox news. plus, one of president obama's former advisers says a civil war is breaking out among democrats. i'll ask a bernie sanders surrogate if he agrees. and it's being called a, quote, colossal mistake. the cause of a deadly amtrak crash on one of the busiest corridors in the country. we'll have a live report after this break.
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they'll figure something out soon. in the meantime, the battle for the new york primary is in full swing. >> if we win in new york state, between you and me, i don't want to get hillary clinton more nervous than she already is. she's already under a lot of pressure. so don't tell her this. but i think we win here, we win in new york state, we're on our way to the white house. >> i was so proud to be a new yorker all those eight years i represented you. i have always been proud but i am even prouder today. >> so here now, bernie sanders surrogate and former ohio state senator nina turner. thanks for coming on, nina. >> thanks, pamela. >> first question, clinton's camp has come out and said it has proposed three debate dates. all of which the sanders camp has turned down. why haven't they accented any of
those dates? >> well, let's correct the -- tell the truth about this. senator bernie sanders is the one that asked for the debate to happen in new york. and he has had to work very hard, his campaign, to get the clinton campaign to even agree to do a debate, to have a debate in new york, person yod. it's my understanding that senator sanders has accepted an nbc date o april the 10th and let's hope the secretary will accept that same date. have the debate in new york, one of the biggest states in this country, and a state where sanders was born and raised and the state where secretary clinton served as senator. i'm confident, too, both sides will work it out. >> the sanders campaign put out a memo saying the loss would be devastating. why did they say that? >> a loss would be devastating
for senator sand erers? >> yes. >> senator sanders is working very hard. we know he is up in the polls in wisconsin. he's working very hard there. he's there right now. a big turnout is what is going to drive the win for senator sanders. so i think that is not just based on the polls but based on what people are saying on the ground, based on the energy and enthusiasm he's revving up on the ground there in wisconsin, that he will be successful in that state. he's not taking anything for granted. i think from the campaign's perspective, they never want to get a big head about anything. we know no matter what polls say, voters ultimately have the final say. >> there's this new york times report out that suggests the sanders campaign had several missteps early on, including this notion that the sanders camp could have gone harder in iowa. how do you respeondrespond? >> sanders has never run a
negative campaign. he prides himself on staying on the issues. it's easy for "the new york times" to talk about the what the senator should have done. it's very hard to run a national campaign. he's not been running for the presidency of the united states of america for eight years. he got into this race because he saw a need. he saw a need to have a champion stand up and say that we need to pull people up out of poverty. $15 an hour for minimum wage puts people in a living wage category. we live in a country where a high schokoochool diploma is no we're is necessary to sustain. we need to know every child can grow up and go to college or university to increase their skills. we need to have universal health care in this country. sanders got into this race because he knows that the american people need a champion. he didn't get in this race because of ego. he got in this place to lift people in this country. >> do you agree there were some
missteps early on, particularly in iowa, as "the new york times" was saying in this article? >> i don't agree with "the new york times." "the new york times" quite frankly will not be the ones who will decide who will be the president of the united states of america next. it will be the american people will decide. voters will decide that. again, it is hard. it is challenging to run a presidential election. hindsight is 20/20. i've run campaigns as well. you always have that moment where you question should i have done something differently. but the bottom line is that i'm very glad that the american people will have the final say and not pundits and not newspaper papers. the voters will have the final say. >> former white house official and cnn commentator van jones said there's a civil war in the democratic party. i want you to listen to what he said and then respond on the other side of it. >> a civil war is breaking out in the democratic party. this went from being, hey, you know, i don't care about your
e-mails, blah, blah, blah. as this thing has gone on, what's happened is bernie sanders should be out. in a normal situation, he would be out. last month, he raised $41 million. we're in the middle of a second sanders surge. and now both sides are getting frustrated with each other on everything. so it shows up. it's like a couple fighting over some total sight issue. >> and, you know, talking about the debate, can't agree on the debate date. that's just one of the issues he's referring to. do you agree they're in a civil war right now, that we're in the middle of this second surge for bernie sanders? >> well, i wouldn't necessarily call it a civil war, even though i certainly understand what van jones is talking about. this is a race about contrasts. this is a contest being held between two folks who want to become president of the united states of america on the democratic side. this is about who can win over the hearts and minds of the people and the voters.
so democrats may not have thought there was going to be a candidate who was going to challenge secretary clinton but guess what, there is one, and his name is senator bernie sanders and he is fighting very hard. he just won the last 6 of 7 contests. as van jones pointed out, the average donation to his campaign is $27 an hour -- not $27 an hour, excuse me, the average donation is $27, and he raised $44 million in the month of march. fueled by people power. so there are millions of people in this country who want to see senator sanders continue to prevail, continue to raise the money. you need money for the mission. at least he is doing that. he is mirroring his campaign by having it powered by everyday people so at the end of the day the only folks he will have to answer to will be the people. that is what primaries are all about. it's a challenge about ideas. that is happening. and i'm so glad democrats and others even independents who
have a chance to vote in open primaries will have an opportunity to decide who they want to be the person, the nominee, for the democratic party. okay, nina turner, thank you. ahead, a revealing new profile on donald trump suggests he now wears a bulletproof investments and has an arsenal of secrets about fox news. and we're also going to wisconsin where ted cruz is speaking right now, issuing a challenge to donald trump. that's next. there are two billion people
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>> the people of wisconsin examining the candidates and looking at the solutions we have. it's one thing to yell and scream and curse. but i think the people of wisconsin are saying do you have an answer, do you have an answer to the problems. one of the reasons donald trump is now afraid to debate. he's terrified to actually be asked a question about do you have any solutions. he can talk about jobs but he is no answer to how to bring jobs back to america. i am running on a campaign of reducing the burdens of washington. taking the boot of washington off the necks and backs of small businesses. pulling back the regulations. stopping amnesty. and the effect of all of that is going to be to bring millions and millions of high-paying jobs back to america. back from china. back from mexico. to bring manufacturing jobs back to the state of wisconsin. i think the energy, the unnewsism, the momentum is the result of the fact that people of this state, of the country,
are looking for real positive solutions, not simply someone to yell and scream and curse. >> how do you build on that after tomorrow? >> ted cruz there in wisconsin. he's holding dueling rally, donald trump as well holding a primary. wisconsin could be a game changer depending on how the vote shakes out. it could have serious implications for all the presidential candidates going forward as they fight for the nomination. that's especially true for the republicans. 42 delegates are up for grabs in wisconsin. it's a heated battle. let's discuss this battle. joining me now, cnn's bill mattingly and republican strategist. thank you both for coming on. phil, first to you and the republicans. does ted cruz need to win big in wisconsin to close the gap on trump? >> well, i think the cruz campaign would acknowledge that wynn wisconsin is a huge state for them and what they've seen with the numbers, starting to open up
a lead over donald trump really bodes well. ted cruz winning wisconsin doesn't stop donald trump. it doesn't take a huge chunk out of the lead he holds. but what it does do is it gives hope to the never trump, stop trump movement. the movement is starting to coalesce behind ted cruz. now ted cruz needs to perform. 42 delegates isn't a lot. but ted cruz performing well in wisconsin tomorrow really sets him up going forward as the true alternative to donald trump. >> and cruz isn't the only one donald trump's focused on. we just heard him not long ago asking for john kasich to drop out of the race, calling for him to drop out. how much of a threat is john kasich in preventing donald trump for getting the delegates he needs to clinch the nomination? >> well, there are several states going forward that john kasich will get a certain amount of delegates. it won't be much. he's not going to be competitive
in the delegate count. it's about stopping trump from getting 1,237. every vote, even if it's in new york, like 20 delegates are taken away from like donald trump, he doesn't hit 50%, that becomes significant. and donald -- excuse me, john kasich is a threat to both donald trump and ted cruz because if you go into that convention in july and it's an open convention and no one gets there on the first or second ballot, john kasich can very well become the consensus candidate. >> let's talk about the convention, phil, because ted cruz says there will only be two names on the ballot during the convention. but the rnc decides that, no one else, right? >> the rules committee going into the convention will decide those rules. what ted cruz is si sighting is specific rule that says you have to have more than 58% to be the nominee. this was crafted to benefit mitt
romney, hurt rand paul in 2012. but the rules reset every four years. he and donald trump will own a large portion offal delegate eg going into cleveland, and therefore they will put that into place. kasich's team work hard against that. hoping to position themselves into a second or third ballot. i think what this shows right now is behind the scenes, while donald trump and ted cruz are going at it publicly, they will be working to keep john kasich out of this if they can possibly get it done. >> there's a lot going on behind the scenes. phil mattingly, susan dell perisio, thank you very much for that. up next on this monday, why were two maintenance workers working on an active track when a passenger train struck and killed them both? what happened here? that story up next. trump has a small inner circle of trusted advisers but can that
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amtrak made a, quote, colossal mistake that led to a deadly crash in pennsylvania. a source close to the investigation tells cnn two construction workers were using a backhoe on the wrong track when the passenger train slammed into them, killing them. how did this mistake happen? >> good afternoon, pamela. that's what investigators are trying to figure out. how these two workers ended up on the wrong track, on an active track, when amtrak 89 came through this stretch of rail track behind me.
they're looking at how this mistake was made. there's a 12-step process for how construction workers are supposed to end up where they are each time they're doing construction work. and clearly there was a mistake somewhere in there yesterday morning when this collision happened. you can see from the pictures of that train the engine, the force of that impact was enormous. it actually lifted that engine off of the tracks, derailed that front car and passengers who we spoke to described a very frightening experience. one passenger telling cnn he could tell something was wrong before the impact happened. he could see a cloud of smoke and said it felt like they were riding on gravel. as we await more details, we do know autopsies are being done as we speak. we're hope for the identification of those two workers later today. but we do know from a local
congressman, robert brady, that they were veteran workers. veteran maintenance workers doing their regular maintenance. help said o he said one of them had 40 years of experience. and he guessed there must have been something in the scheduling, in the dispatching, that went very, very wrong, pamela. >> a 12-step process and this still happened. sara gannon, thank you very much for bringing us that reporting. meantime, donald trump says he could wipe out america's debt in eight years. an idea many economists are calling wild. next, legendary journalist carl bernstein says he knows why trump is re trump is resonating. plus, is trump holding secrets about fox news? a new report raising eyebrows. (burke) at farmers, we've seen almost everything,
as far as donald trump is concerned, nothing in america works anymore. take a listen. >> it shows how broken the system is. because our leaders are stupid. >> a total disaster. we can't let it continue. >> see a private system without the artificial lines around every state. >> we spend far more pure pupil than any other country in the world. >> why should they when the stupid leaders of the united states will do it for them and that's what's happening, whether you like it or not. >> all right, so experts would beg to differ but there is no doubt trump's litany of complaints is resonating. why? carl bernstein, author of "a woman in charge," the life of hillary rodham clinton, joins me now to discuss this. carl, let's just start on the economy for instance. donald trump says we're headed for another recession. but data says otherwise. low unemployment, stock market humming along. why is the public buying what
trump is selling? >> i don't think they are buying it anymore. i think that they were on the verge of it in much larger numbers. but now we are beginning to see the implosion of the trump campaign because of his misogyny, because of his demagoguery. because of the issues in a deeper sense than mere slogans. was he on the verge of enlarging that? yes, but not now i think. >> when it comes to business, he does have a proven record, many would say. and then he's trying to tackle these other issues we saw in that video. improving education. veterans health care and so forth. why do voters think trump can make a difference in those areas? these are issues politicians have been tackling for decades. >> some voters, i wouldn't generalize too much. i think what he was on the verge of doing was presenting a message that says, look, let's face fakes. our institutions in this country
are not working. not education. not transportation. not our medical care. on and on. well, he's not wrong about some of those things. what we have seen instead is his own inability to present a coherent message. his own neo fascist tendencies in term also of author taranism. genocidal inclinations, but rather, me, me, me the self, the big authoritarian leader who will make everything all right without any faith in democratic institutions and the misogyny shown toward women in the last couple of weeks i think is beginning to totally undermine his campaign beyond the base >> it's yet to be seen, though, he's still doing well in the polls. he's still the front-runner. but i want to point out too, clearly you have some strong words for donald trump, but you've also said that he's done some good in the area of
highlighting the broken political system, right? >> i don't think it's about whether he has done good or not, i think he has identified some real truths about some elements of the system that aren't working. has he thought through the issues enough to provide solutions? no, he has not. then you mentioned his own business record. i think we're starting to see a kind of scrutiny in the press that puts some real question marks about his own business record. what he has been trying to do is get enough delegates to win before the convention. and now it looks if he loses wisconsin that he might well not be able to do that. why? because of his own failures in these last couple weeks. >> so, carl, something remarkable happened this past weekend. donald trump admitted he made a mistake after retweeting the picture of heidi cruz, ted cruz's wife. what do you make of that? >> i make of it the outcry was so loud that even he recognized -- >> but the outcry has been loud
for other controversies, why this one? >> i think there has been a cumulative effect of the last couple of weeks. the kkk remarks, heidi cruz, all kinds of questions. the economy, the interview with "the washington post" with my friend bob woodward which did not make much sense in terms of policy provisions. i think when he was on the verge of breaking through towards a majority of delegates, now he's getting a second look because of his shallowness, ignorance and authoritarianism that is bringing him up short. i've always thought this would be a deadlocked convention and paul ryan might well be the nominee. i still think that is a somewhat likely scenario. >> even though reince priebus has said that's not going to happen more than likely? >> i think if trump cannot get a majority going on, i think there will be a draft on another
ballot of a different candidate, not cruz, not kasich, and ryan is a very likely one. a kind of consensus. i've thought that all along, as you know, from what i've said on the air here. >> we'll see what happens. carl bernstein, thank you very much. so great to have you on. >> good to be with you. up next right here in the newsroom, a revealing profile on donald trump and his inner circle, including his wall of shame and bulletproof vest. you both have a
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as donald trump's campaign gets closer to a possible republican presidential nomination, it appears his campaign's already small inner circle is shrinking. there are reports now that his controversial campaign manager's role is being scaled back and a 20-something political novice is running things behind the scenes. let's talk about this with brian stelter, the host of "reliable
sources." brian, what do we know about this report that donald trump has an arsenal of secrets that he could use against roger ailes, the head of fox news? >> this is one of the biggest surprises in the story out today. he reports trump was actually the mediator in a dispute between roger ailes, the powerful head of fox news, and his former pr head. so this guy, brian lewis, was roger ailes right-hand man a number of years. when lewis was fired, he hired a lawyer and it turns out that lawyer had a connection to trump. so trump was called in to basically mediate this feud or this severance negotiation between brian lewis and the head of fox news. what's interesting is that lewis allegedly had lots of secrets he was going to spill about fox. he agreed not to because he signed a deal and he was paid and now he has no comment on this. but the idea here is that maybe trump knows what was in this deal because trump was the negotiator. it shows trump's cozy connections to media executives, like the head of fox news.
>> very interesting. i have to ask you about in the report about trump wearing a bulletproof vest and making senior staff at the white house sign nondisclosure agreements. what more do we know about that? >> the idea that he will have senior staffers sign nondisclosure agreements. it came up in an interview with "the washington post" over the weekend. it's something we've not heard before, but this shows how trump brings a corporate sensibility to his running for president. i thought the most revealing detail is that trump has only 94 people on his election -- on his campaign payroll. he has a core staff of about a dozen and then 94 total. hillary clinton's campaign has over 700. that in a nutshell explains the difference between trump's campaign and all the others. if it works, that's miraculous. if it doesn't work, maybe one of the reasons why his campaign will end up not succeeding is because he has a relatively small number of staffers. we'll see in the weeks and months to come. >> of course he says i don't
need all these staffers, i can be my own advisor. brian stelter, thank you very much for that. >> thanks. >> and "the lead with jake tapper" starts right now. thanks, pamela. will donald trump trade his "make america great" hat again for a cheesehead? "the lead" start right now. wisconsin votes in fewer than 24 hours as donald trump and ted cruz say their names are the only ones that should be on the ballot come convention time. secret memo. a campaign document we were not supposed to see reveals what donald trump's brain trust really thinks about the republican establishment and the national media. and surprise, surprise, the language is not g-rated. the isis spider web. 20-plus terrorists, some who helped orchestrate massaes