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sweating. >> honestly, it was disgusting. all right? >> reporter: talk about tilting at windmills. >> disgusting windmills. >> reporter: jeanne moos, cnn -- >> its disgusting. >> reporter: -- new york. all right. thank you so much for joining us. anderson starts now. and a good evening to you, thanks for joining us. as you can see behind me, we're getting ready for another "360" republican town hall. second of three this week. at the top of next hour, donald trump and his family, taulking how hometown voters. the new york primary coming up. with it the chance for a badly needed big win. tomorrow night, ted cruz, his main rival, safe to say his arch rival. the two embroiled in a delegate battle facing a potential contested convention, a gop race that seems to grow more contentious every single day including today which saw donald trump single out reince priebus
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by name telling the newspaper "the hill" priebus should be ashamed of the nominating system he calls a disgrace. also today top republicans saying they may skip the convention entirely and one gop leader, house speaker paul ryan ruling out any possibility that he'll accept the republican nomination. we're going have more on all of it now from cnn's jason carroll. >> reporter: donald trump angry at the gop nominating system which he calls corrupt. this after claiming his supporters in colorado were shut out when that state awarded all its delegates to ted cruz. >> our republican system is absolutely rigged. it's a phony deal. this is a dirty trick and i'll tell you what, the rnc, the republican national committee, they should be ashamed of themselves for allowing this kind of crap to happen. i can tell you that. they should be ashamed of themselves. >> reporter: ted cruz firing back on glenn beck's radio show today calling trump a sore loser. >> donald wakes up at night in
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cold sweats that people will call him losin' donald. >> reporter: colorado does not have a primary or a caucus. instead it holds a convention to choose its delegates. now the chairman of the republican national committee is also weighing in on the issue tweeting, "the rules were set last year. nothing mysterious. nothing new. the rules have not changed. the rules are the same. nothing different." polls show trump is holding a commanding lead in new york and could be on track to take a significant portion of the state's 95 delegates up for grabs. rival john kasich out campaigning at a brooklyn bakery is running a distant second. his goal, pick up as many delegates here as possible. >> greetings, john kasich. >> hi. >> reporter: and continue to draw differences between himself and the other two candidates. he encouraged voters not to choose what he called the path of darkness. >> the path that exploits anger,
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encourages resentment, turns fear into hatred, and divides people. it cheapens each one of us. it has but one beneficiary, and that is to the politician who speaks of it. >> reporter: despite trump's harsh criticism of kasich, he says he would consider him as a possible running mate along with former rivals senator marco rubio and wisconsin governor scott walker. at last night's cnn town hall, kasich says he's not interested. >> i'm not going to be anybody's vice president. >> do you think -- >> i would be the worst vice president the country ever saw. you know why? because i'm not like a vice president. i'm a president. >> reporter: as for governor walker -- >> i literally just heard it and i laughed. >> reporter: and for those still holding out hope for a late entry into the presidential race, vice speaker paul ryan -- >> i do not want nor will i accept the nomination for our party. >> jason carol join carroll jo.
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donald trump calling out reince priebus by name. what more tdo you have on that? >> reporter: he didn't call him out by name at the rally, anderson, he did in an interview earlier. clearly holding him responsible for what happened in colorado. here's another name for you, corey gardner, senator from colorado, also weighed in on this particular issue saying "anyone who knew the rules should have known what to do here." he said "ted cruz knew what to do, he had the ground game, he had the grassroots effort there in colorado." he said "trump simply did not, end of story." but it really isn't the end of the story because what trump is doing here, he's feeding into this whole narrative that seems to be working for him, working with his supporters, that he's the outsider dealing with these insiders who simply cannot be trusted. anderson? >> jason carroll, thanks very much. we're going to talk to senator gardner shortly on this program. i want to bring in the panel. cnn political commentator, trump supporter kayleigh mcenany. former cruz communications
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director, amanda carpenter. former new york republican congressman rick lazio who ran against hillary clinton in the senate in 2000. and cnn chief political analyst, gloria borger. so kayleigh, we talked about this last night. donald trump continuing to say this whole process is rigged, calling out the rnc. cruz is saying he's essentially whining. do you worry at all that on day two of this, now, i don't know, maybe it's day three of this, that he's starting to sound like he's whining? >> no, he's pointing out something that's an unfair, broken system. you know, look forward -- we move past colorado where the people weren't even allowed to vote. talk about unfair. people don't neeven get a voicen this because the delegates know better that them, party offic l officials know better than them. look forward to pennsylvania, politico came out with a piece saying 32% of possibtential delegates of that state already selected a candidate before the people of pennsylvania speak. that's the antithesis of democracy. >> do you think donald trump didn't know what the system was
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in colorado? even if you think the system was unfair, this wases a system set last year as reince priebus has said. i think some at least eight months ago. even if you think it's unfair, he should have prepared for it, shouldn't he have? >> i think he knew what the system was and i think he knew the party and colorado was against him. there were more than 3,000 delegates fighting for 40 spots. >> why not get an organization on the ground that would actually respond? >> no matter how many people trump put on the ground, the party was set against him. when they saw he was leading in polls in august, the party in colorado decided to take away the vote of the people. they didn't like donald trump was the front-runner. he could have put tens, mmgs of people on the ground. that could have done nothing. at the end of the day the party had the final say and chose delegates that are anti-trump. >> amanda, i see you -- >> here's the thing about the process. you have to get people to show up. the cruz campaign was effective in identifying supporters, telling them what meetings to go to, guiding them through the process and donald trump wasn't. i mind it funny donald trump always complains about the process after the fact.
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he only kplcomplains when he lo. i think we can all see through it. until he actually learns the process, you are not going to beat the system if you don't understand the system. >> he complained about it before the fact, though. the rules were set against him on the ground. there were trump delegates on the ground. the pear leaders tweeted out, by the way, the party leaders tweeted out never trump and said they were hacked. >> all the reporting was the folks trump had on the ground had no idea what to do, didn't have the organization. >> when i ran for governor in new york, i had republican state chairman against me, working against me with the organization working against any. i knew going in there what the rules were. i knew it was uphill. i know what it's like when you have a state political elite working against you, but we outworked them. we knew the rules. we had people on the ground and it was just a matter of -- >> so it is possible? >> absolutely. it's possible. in fact, it happens all the time. you don't always have the party's choice as the eventual nominee. ask marco rubio. >> right. >> i understand donald trump's
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strategy here which is to gather his base and say the rules are unfair and we haven't been treated well and sort of, you know, mobilize his base that way, but i have a couple questions about it. one is, how do you head into a convention which he may be heading into a contested convention, telling delegates that the process by which they were chosen is corrupt, and, therefore, they are corrupt because they're part of this corrupt process, and, two, what happens if you actually win? because if you win, then does the process suddenly become legitimate? is it okay if you triumph? >> fairness of the process only comes into play in the event of the plurality. it's worth mentions for all the talk we have -- >> i just asked a question. >> for all the talk we have of donald trump doing so poorly among the delegates, he's still leading by more than 200. donald trump is really dominating -- >> one at a time. gloria? >> you know, it's just a -- it's
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a legitimate question. if he wins, having railed against the process, what does he then say about the process? that it was fine? >> no, just because you win in a process doesn't take away the fact that it's unfair. >> but -- >> it changes the process if he wins. >> it would seem if you go o into a contested convention, trying to win delegates that are not already pledged to you that it's a more different sale to them because to some extent you already alienated them. >> here's the thing, donald trump cares about the will of the people over the will of delegates. he wants to empower colorado voters to two to the polls and have a say. no matter if donald trump wins or loses, donald trump is out to change the process and make sure all americans get a vote. >> is it fair that 1 million colorado voters did not get to vote? is that fair? >> i think it's fair for the state to hold its own process for the party. play by the rules and to win that way and not complain when you lose. >> it's interesting, though, because for donald trump who is a states rights guy, he often wants the states to make up decisions in terms of the law. many conservatives want that, in fact, as well, for they don't
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want the federal government involved. they want states rights. they wants states makes a decision. the state party made a decision on how they wanted their election to run and that's how it ran. isn't it a little weird for donald trump to be saying, well, the federal system, the rnc, should force this thing on them? >> i don't think so. that's what -- state rights is about empowering state legislatures who are elected directly by the people. the republican party of colorado is not elected by the people. they're appointed and to disenfranchise the colorado voters, not a single person on this panel can justify the fact that a million voters did not get to vote. at the end of the day, that is what matters. >> nobody is saying that the system isn't a little crazy. it's craze. >> it's unfair. >> it is the process. when you embark on the process of trying to become president of the united states you need to understand the process as it is unless you change it were you head into it. >> democrats have all these superdelegates that are unelected and there's almost no
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controversy around that. >> well, there is a little. >> a little bit. in a relative sense. you got a huge cache of unelected delegates that are mostly pledged to hillary clinton. nobody -- there's no votes backing that up. there's no requirement that the people in the state have had to vote for her in order for them to cast their allegiance to one candidate or another. in this case, hillary clinton. so, of course, there's going to be some of that. i mean, you can argue that caucuses in themselves are not totally reflective of the -- >> we're going to take a -- there's a lot more to talk about. we're going to take a quick break. we're getting ready for tonight's "360" republican town hall. donald trump, his entire family at the top of the hour. ted cruz, his family tomorrow night. later, what the polls, the people, even the president of the united states have to say about the democratic race. and the upcoming cnn democratic debate just two days from now. we'll be right back. before earning enough cash back
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and welcome back. less than an hour from now donald trump and his entire family joining us for an "a.c. 360" town hall, whether he'll repeat the charge he's been making about the delegate selection process in placines le colorado, we don't know. to refresh your memory, here's the gist of it from today. >> the party is playing dirty. we have to show our republican
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party, you've been disenfranchised. everybody has. you to show the republican party they can't get away with this any longer. we've had enough losses. we've had enough losses with romney types that are stiffs who can't get elected, never had a chance. we've had enough of this stuff. >> that was donald trump late today in rome, new york. as you heard at the top, colorado's republican senator corey gardner has had plenty to say on the subject tweeting, "i attended colorado gop conventions for years. it requires organization and attention to grassroots to win. cruz had it. trump didn't. end of story." also, "how on earth are you going to defeat isis if you can't figure out the colorado gop convention?" senator gardner joins us now. than thanks for being with us. strong words from you about donald trump and his reaction to the results in colorado. why are you compelled to react the way you have? >> last night when i heard what donald trump was saying, i had enough. he's besmirching, attacking tens of thousands of colorado republicans who months ago started many this volunteer
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process. people who took time away from work and family to run for delegate at the grassroots level. at the county caucus. at the precinct caucus, on to the state assembly. donald trump is basically calling thousands of coloradans corrupt, calling them rigged. this is simply unacceptable. donald trump had a chance to win in colorado and he didn't take the opportunity to do that. look, i sat on the floor of the convention all day on saturday with thousands of delegates from around colorado. i spoke to dozens of donald trump supporters. ted cruz was the only candidate who showed up. elections are won by candidates who show up and ted cruz did it and that's why he carried colorado. >> these rules in colorado, they were agreed upon by all the candidates the last august. was donald trump, you think, just caught, what, flatfooted here? did he just not understand the rules? did he just not have the organization? >> well, he does what he typically does. he doesn't do the job then he complains about it after the fact. look, donald trump had a surrogate who addressed the convention on friday night. he had a surrogate who addressed the entire delegate body on saturday. not a single time did i hear any
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of them complain to me or through anybody else that they were dissatisfied with the process. only until after he lost did they start complaining. look, colorado is not going to be taken by celebrity and flash. this is a state where you put in the grassroots work and it's going to reward you like in 2012 when it elected rick santorum over mitt romney. >> trump says the process is rigged, disgusting, to that what do you say? >> tell that to the coloradans that you're asking them to vote for you. you just called them corrupt. you told them their time away from family doesn't matter. look, whether colorado s's syst is perfect or not, they followed the rules. they've did what they've done with a system that was basically put in place 100 years ago and for donald trump to say, look, this is a corrupt process in colorado, he simply didn't do the job, he didn't show up an he had a chance to do that but ted cruz capitalized. >> you've gone through the election process with the same rules just two years ago.
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does the system require -- it seems like the system requires a strong ground game in order to win over national delegates. is that fair to say? >> it absolutely requires a strong ground game. it requires organization. i was a successful delegate nominee through this process two years ago. i became a united states senator through this process two years ago. this starts with a precinct caucus in your neighborhood where you attend at a neighbor's house and go to a meeting and run for county assembly. once you're elected to county assembly, you go to the state convention. this is the process that's worked for decades in colorado. people are proud. it's an honor. in fact, i saw a guy wearing a shirt how many years he'd been a delegate assembly or alternate to a delegate at the assembly ar alternate to the assembly. donald trump simply didn't respect colorado and i believe he is showi that lack of respect for the people of colorado now by calling them corrupt. >> senator gardner, appreciate you being on. back with our panel. also joining us, cnn political commentator, former communications director for dana rohrabacher. let's hear from you.
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the congressman is making some -- got a lot of strong words there. essentially saying raising questions not only about his ground game in colorado but essentially saying if donald trump can't win the battle for delegates, can't organize a battle for delegates against ted cruz, how is he going to organize a battle against isis? >> absolutely. this is something that's been consistent the whole time. you know, donald trump whines and complains any time he doesn't win something and what happened in colorado was very transparent. those rules have been in place like the senator said, you said, many of us said, they've been there, transparents. there are people who have gone to the caucus for 40 years, it's very grassroots. for trump supporters to come out and besmirch them and say, oh, this is robbed, they're corrupt, this is a rigged system, is undemocratic in my opinion. you don't get any more democratic than when it comes down to having precinct captains and caucuses, go to the next level to the county, the next level to the state.
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that's what this is about. article 2 of the constitution puts the election for the presidency at the hands of the states. the states get to make the rules. if donald trump doesn't like that, maybe he should go run for president in another state with direct primary vote. >> you know how you get more democratic, by letting the people vote. >> they did. >> got to let me finish. tara, you have to let -- >> let her finish. >> i gave you 20 seconds. you got to give me mine if you want this to be a dialogue. >> let her finer. letter in finish. >> okay. if you say these rules have been many place forever, this has always been -- >> let her finish, please. >> in august they decided not to let the people of colorado vote. this was decided by the party. 1 million coloradans did not go to the polls. that was decided in august when donald trump and ben carson were leading and those two candidates -- >> what stopped the people of colorado from votes for the delegates? delegates are required to win the presidency, to win the nomination. what stopped every single one of these millions of people that you're complaining about that
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were allegedly disenfranchised, what stopped them from going to their local precincts and -- >> let kayleigh finish. >> the "denver post" editorial board came out and wrote a unanimous op-ped saying that this was blundered, this election was blundered by the party. you have the "denver post" editorial board saying that. >> amanda? >> it's not democratic. >> if you want to change the system, you have to engage in the system. to be charitable, the nicest way possible of putting this -- donald trump is not good with the details. he didn't organize his own family to vote. who's he going to blame for that? >> look, the reason the party did this was because they didn't want to bind their delegates. it was such a huge field and they didn't want to bind their delegates to people who might already be dropped out of the race so there was a reasoning behind it and i'm not going to argue with you, kayleigh, that the system isn't patchwork, that maybe in the day and age in which we live we shouldn't get rid of a lot of crazy caucuses and all the rest and open it up, but that is an argument that ought to be happening, but you
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can't change the rules while you're running for president. if that were the case -- >> we are changing the rules. paul ryan is advocating changing the rules today. >> what i don't understand, though, i get he doesn't, his supporters, they don't like the system in colorado. i get that. but that is the system and he was aware of the system and it's been the system now for quite a while. so doesn't it just point to problems with his own organization? i mean, doesn't it raise some concerns for you that the guy who's supposedly an organizational genius in his own opinion who's created an amazing business organization can't create a ground organization in the state of colorado that beats ted cruz? >> no -- >> somehow ted cruz was able to adapt to this system. >> because he has the party leaders on his side. that is the thing. he couldn't put innumerable -- >> ted cruz doesn't seem to be the darling of the gop. >> ted cruz's whole campaign strategy -- >> donald trump was going to be the establishment candidate. there is no establishment
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candidate. that field collapsed and now he's winning through superior organization and whipping donald trump and the delegate count. >> no, he's not, by the way, donald trump is leading by 250 delegates. anderson, to answer your question, donald trump would have put innumerable boots on the ground, people on the ground in colorado. >> how would it have made a difference? >> the local party establishment is the one who voted on the delegates so donald trump could have put -- >> that's not true. >> okay. >> we hear everyone on the panel say constantly the only argument that's put forth in favor of the rules is these are the rules and the rules are the rules and they've been this way forever. >> okay. >> i challenge one person on this panel to look into the c camera and explain to the american people how it was fair to disenfranchise -- >> amanda, go ahead. let amanda talk. >> the process favors grassroots activists especially in colorado. you have to invest a lot of time on the ground. you have to have field offices. you have to have people there meeting with people saying will you commit the time and resources, your own money, your own weekends to go and show up at these meetings and a lot of
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people for ted cruz because they realize all the things he's done through the years says, yes, ile a with you. they've been working on this for a year. meanwhile, donald trump couldn't get the names of the delegates right at the convention so how can you get those people elected if you don't know their names? >> we're electsing a candidate for president of the united states. local people -- >> wait, can't the exact same thing be said of caucuses? i mean, that it's act vists, you know, it's the most motivated, the most active people showing up in caucus states to caucus and are you saying that's undemocratic, too? >> no, because everyday people are encouraged to show up and have a process and a vehicle with which to go. no, in colorado the popular vote was canceled on august 25th -- >> i have to say i saw a lot of these delegates who are running, they looked like everyday people to me. they weren't wearing fancy suits, and, you know -- >> this is what senator gardner was talking about. >> no one here is going after the delegates. people are going after the party that said -- >> yeah, you are.
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>> the party asked how can we disenfranchise voters so someone like rick santorum is not nominated again? it was about whittling down the people whblan who could have a voice. >> the conversation is going to continue. donald trump and his family in a bit, a half hour. coming up, we have new polling. john king is going to break it down by the numbers. big numbers. the all-new audi a4, with available virtual cockpit. ♪
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together, we're building a better california. welcome back. new york primary is one week from today. new polling just out shows double-digit leads for trump and hillary clinton. cnn inside politics anchor john king joins us with a closer look by the numbers. a week out and the polls suggest trump is on a path to get just what he needs from new york. right, john? >> just what he needs, anderson, most or all of the 95 delegates. let's pop out new york state and i'll show you the polling numbers. three polls out within the 24 hours. trump at 60% at one, 54% in the third one. look at the big lead, john kasich running second in all three. a distant second. 30, 40 points back. ted cruz in third place. i won't break down the demographics. by age, by gender, by income, by, you know, ideology. trump wins by more than 30
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points in every democratic group we usually break down for you. a week is a long time in politics but he's on a path to win big. these poll numbers tell you he has a chance to get most of all. if he's around 55% a week from now, he's going to get 75 or more, maybe all 95. >> new york also let's -- shapes up pretty well for hillary clinton. let's take a look at those numbers. >> it does. switch over, have the democratic candidates up on the map, look at the numbers. not as great as trump's numbers. three polls in the last 24 hours. 50%, 53%, 55%. 13, 14 point lead over bernie sanders. sanders needs a win in new york because of the big basket of delegates. anderson, let me take a quick look here. we did look closely at the attributes here because it's a closer race. bernie sanders does score better among younger voters, voters who describe themselves as very
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liberal, but among african-americans, older voters in the suburbs and upstate, hillary clinton has clear advantages. it gives you a sense, again, a week is a long time. right now she is on a path to get a win in her adopted home state by a decent margin with exactly what she needs to keep her big delegate lead over bernie sanders. >> the advantage with african-americans is important not only in new york. >> if you look at the numbers and break them down, this is consistent with what we've seen. numbers higher in her adopted home state. she holds her own among white voters in new york. from the quinnipiac poll. 50%-45%. among african-americans, almost a 40-point split. why does that matter? it will help her a lot next tuesday if she holds it. remember, then the calendar goes down pennsylvania, the philadelphia suburbs, into maryland, in baltimore, in the d.c. suburbs. delaware, the african-american base of the democratic party. so if she can continue those huge numbers among african-americans next week and for the rest of the month, anderson, she's going to run away in the delegate count which
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she hopes to do. >> john, thanks very much, by the numbers. as we mentioned donald trump has been railing against what he calls an unfair and rigged system after losing to ted cruz in colorado. in part he blames the loss on the cruz campaign wooing the delegates with, quote, goodies and as a potential contested convention looms, the road to cleveland could be paved with more and more guests to dlep delegates. if it it is totally legal, but how might this gift giving come into play? >> reporter: if they get to a contested convention and get through the next couple of votes and nobody wins the total number they need here, then you will have almost everybody on the floor unbound meaning they don't have to vote the way the voters did back home. some people think that could create a delegate yard sale in effect out here. let's look at one delegate and see what we're talking about. this delegate arriving at the convention know the rules, know he can't take money from corporations, foreign nationals or federal contractors.
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all of that is off limits. under the federal rules, he can take money from political pacs or individuals and gifts. there might be a pac supporting one candidate who says you know what, we'd like to give you first class air travel, pick you up in a limousine, a suite at a hotel that we'll pay for and give you lavish meals. all that under the national rules is fair. if you had an individual who supported the candidate, he might say, let me give you a goody bag, too, and in the goody bag i'll have snacks for you and maybe i'll give you a designer watch and some new headphones and how about a new tablet computer and maybe some tickets to a show or a ball game? again, all completely fair under the national rules. he might have some state rules, an anderson, that say he can't accept that. it won't be a direct here's something for a vote, but with a wink and a nod all this could happen, apdson. >> what are the campaigns saying about it? >> the campaigns are saying they want nothing to do with this,
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they're saying we're not going to be in such dirty business. the national officials are shaying they don't want it to happen, too. they say mainly what these people want is access to the candidates, anyway. think about that. what if a candidate says, you know what, i'll give you access, how about we have access over a free round of golf at some elite golf course? or what if we have access at a getaway weekend for delegates in the bahamas? all of it, again, fits that wink and a nod model there. even if the campaigns, themselves, say we'll have nothing to do with it, supporters still could be out there pushing kasich steak knives or maybe a cruz cruise if they wanted to do that, or perhaps even a trump helicopter tour somewhere down the line. it could get pretty nasty although most of it, anderson, would be kept behind closed doors as much as they could. >> all right. tom foreman, tom, thanks very much. up next, we are two days from the cnn debate in brooklyn. the democratic debate. one week until the new york primary. hillary clinton, bernie sanders steps up their game but with different strategies leading up to the new york primary. we've got that.
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the latest on that ahead. and don't forget our town hall with donald trump, his entire family just about 25 minutes away. it all begins at the top of the hour. we'll be right back.
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as we reported hillary clinton is leading the polls here in new york a week before the primary and she and bernie sanders are stepping up attacks ahead of that primary. two days before their cnn debate. secretary clinton started her day with a roundtable discussion in new york about equal pay for women. calling on employers to make salaries more transparent. it was an apt commentary on this april 12th known as equal pay day. the day women's earnings catch up to men's from the previous year. today is also a big day for the timeline of her campaign. cnn senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny reports tonight. >> reporter: hillary clinton's presidential campaign hit a milestone today. >> i am absolutely thrilled to be here on this occasion. the one-year anniversary of my journey in my campaigns. >> reporter: exactly one year ago, she announced her bid for the presidency like this. >> i'm hitting the road to earn your vote because it's your time
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and i hope you'll join me on this journey. >> reporter: but this part of the journey has been longer than she ever imagined. she didn't mark the moment with a big celebration or rally, but bernie sanders did. once again his crowds dwarfing hers on the campaign trail. >> doesn't look like we can get too many more people in this place. >> reporter: the democratic rivals are locked in a bitter duel for next week's new york primary. as clinton flew to florida today for three fund raisers to keep her primary campaign alive, sanders reminded supporters in upstate new york he's raising money a bit differently. >> we have shown the world that you can run a winning national campaign without being dependent on wall street and the big money interests. >> reporter: today in washington, president obama stayed out of the back and forth but made clear he believes it's time for a woman to be president. >> i want them to be astonished that there was ever a time when women were vastly outnumbered in
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the boardroom or in congress, that there was ever a time when a woman had never sat in the oval office. >> reporter: but the clinton team is hoping to slow sanders' rise. saying he's untested and trying to upend the process by urging superdelegateses to jump ship. >> if anybody is trying to rig the system to overturn the will of the people, it's senator sanders. >> reporter: bill clinton had tough words of his own for sanders. >> after he's been a democrat a little while longer, he'll get used to it. he'll realize our party is the best hope this country's got. >> reporter: also today a reminder the clintons have had their eye on donald trump for years. newly released documents from the clinton library show in 1999 they were trying to sort out if trump was serious about a white house bid in 2000. his team urged him to respond to a potential trump candidacy like this. "it may say something about the way the media covers politics these days but i have the utmost confidence in the american people to sort out the wheat from the chaff."
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jeff zeleny, cnn, new york. with us again former new york congressman rick lazio, joining the conversation, political strategist and bernie sanders surrogate john than tesini, and cnn political commentate e former south carolina house member, bakari sellers who supports hillary clinton. congressman, back in 2000, you ran against hillary clinton. >> i recall that. >> we all do. her strengths, her vulnerabilities leading up to new york. >> yeah, there's no doubt hillary clinton has a work ethic, she puts together an experienced team of operatives. she plays to win. you could even call them ruthless at times but they execute on a plan. what she doesn't have is spontaneity. she doesn't have the retail warmth of a bill clinton, for example, her husband. i think she knows that will never be her strong suit. >> she's talked about that publicly that it's not natural for her. >> it's clearly not natural, and she has this liability of being seen, i think, as somebody who is not spontaneous, who's not really going to take on the status quo in any dramatic way and if you look at the string --
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i mean, she's probably but for donald trump, she could be the most unpopular front-runner for the presidential nomination in american history. she's upsidedown by 15 points in terms of favorability. she just lost seven of eight democratic contests and primaries in caucuses. a guy who was an asterisk on the radar screen, sanders outraced her by $15 million last month. in the swing pivotal state of ohio, her unfavorables are upsidedown by 20 points. say, but again, for donald trump's numbers, she's almost radioactive. >> johnathajonathan, sanders ra question about he credibility, the word he's been using. is that a code word for trustworthiness, a word among those who have run against hillary clinton? >> credibility goes to the fact that hk hillary clinton's posits in this race have been contrary to what they were before. bernie has defined what this
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race has been about in the democratic party. she switched all her positions, major ones. for example, she has been, as you know, for all the bad trade agreements going back to nafta and magically she's against the trans-pacific partnership, which she called the gold standard. you go down the list, hillary clinton, from a democratic point of view, hillary clinton has always had a problem when she opens her mouth people don't believe what comes out of it is honesty, principled and something that comes from deep-seeded beliefs. her problem has been, she's running against someone, bernie sanders, who's the exact opposite. >> bakari, as a clinton supporter, is credibility the way to go after hx illary clint? >> i find it ironic bernie sanders since the beginning of his campaign has talked about this race being about the american people and not necessarily being about hillary clinton or bernie sanders yet we've seen this pivot in the co campaign. the facts are by every metric by which you gauge who's winning this race, the votes hillary clinton has or the states or the
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number of pledged delegates, hillary clinton has rallied voters to her side and she's winning this race by large margins. she comes into this race, and this race is not as much about no mmomentum as people want to it out to be. after march 15th, hillary clinton won five states and won seven out of eight states. this is about demographics. as we move to new york, as we move to maryland, pennsylvania, you'll start to see hillary clinton do very well and do better. i anticipate her getting a resounding victory here and moving on to april 26th. >> congressman, what do you make of the clinton presidential library releasing their sort of history of relationship with donald trump? is that sort of a preemptive move to kind of get it out there before it's raised? >> yeah. i assume it's out there. they want to control what gets released and the timing of that. they want to define him as best they can. i don't know how effective this will really be, but it obviously -- it's aimed to show that at one point he was much more complimentary toward hillary clinton than he --
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>> which donald trump has already kind of done a good job, or at least done, attempted to, i guess, nullify some of that by saying, yeah, i gave money to everybody because i was a businessman and that's what businesspeople do. >> right. one of the more offensive things about the entire campaign, for me, as somebody who's a former prosecutor, i want somebody who's a leader. i know this goes on. i'm not thnaive. i was in office. you don't want the standard to be, hey, i want to grab whoever i can get, payoff whatever i need and become the leader who's going to enforce the laws, be the head of state that's going to set the example for our children. >> i get caution add lot of time by especially older democrats saying be wary of what you wish for, but i really do think hillary clinton is in a very good position to take on the challenge of donald trump and/or ted cruz. i mean, i think ted cruz is more of a fast ball right down center place for democrats because he doesn't change the math at all. i do think that as i told you once before, i think we were in washington on a debate show, and
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i said this is going to be a battle for the soul of this country. i really think that the best recruitment tool, the best tool the democratic party has had in a very long time is named donald trump. >> and you're obviously saying don't count bernie sanders out. >> well, that's number one. actually bakari is right, it's a battle for the soul of the country and soul of the democratic party. bernie says vote for me because otherwise you got a candidate who's a moderate democrat who's been for the death penalty, voted for the iraq war, has been for every trade agreement basically since nafta. someone who is not a progressive even she she's tried to make her -- it's a battle. >> how tough is the upcoming debate going to be on thursday? >> what should be asked is the question of goldman sachs. yesterday goldman sachs was ordered to pay a $5 billion fine, which let's face it, meant they were criminals, they were involved in the mortgage security fiasco which destroyed the economy, cost people
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millions of job and their pensions. hillary clinton now needs to say, release the transscripts after 67 days and give back every dollar she got for those speaking fees, $225,000, to an organization, to a company that's been convicted. >> we'll see if that comes up in the debate. speaking of the debate, tune in thursday night, cnn democratic debate live from brooklyn. wolf blitzer moderating. late reporting, reaction and analysis afterwards on "360." that's thursday night 9:00 p.m. eastern. coming up at the top of the hour, trump and his family. hoping to make the move from trump tower to somewhat older, somewhat smaller dwellings, perhaps. more on that ahead. i take these out... put in dr. scholl's active series insoles. they help reduce wear and tear on my legs, becuase they have triple zone protection. ... and reduce shock by 40%. so i feel like i'm ready to take on anything. you can fly across welcome town in minutes16,
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his three oldest, donald jr., ivanka, and eric, all work as executive vice presidents for the family business. >> so many kids in our situation, they never work. my father gave us literally a sledgehammer, kids, guess what, you're going onto a construction site. >> reporter: ivanka emphasized that to abc. >> he was the first to tell us how privileged we are, with that privilege, the responsibility we have to earn what we were so lucky to have since birth. >> reporter: now trump's children with working hard to help their dad win the white house. >> i really love what my father's doing here. he really loves this country. >> reporter: donald trump jr. often posts pictures of his dad with his grandkids and this one posted by eric trump. it was trump's hit show "the apprentice" that first introduced his three older children to the country. >> don and eric will be my advisers. ivanka, how will they be judged? >> i will be judging this -- >> reporter: ivanka, donald jr., and eric all share the same
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mother. mr. trump's first wife, ivana. he has another daughter, tiffany, from his second wife, marla maples. tiffany trump, a senior at the university of pennsylvania, recalls the early years with her dad. >> our times together were learning, you know, playing in his office. he would always sneak me down to get a candy bar. you know, in the lobby. >> reporter: on instagram, tiffany's pictures portray a close-knit family celebrating and hanging out with her siblings. mr. trump's third wife, melania, is a slovenian-born immigrant and former model. she became a naturalized citizen in 2006. the couple first met in 1998 at a party in manhattan. >> he came with a date so he asked me for the number and i said, i will not give you my number. >> reporter: she ended up calling him. years later, they had a son, barron, now 10. melania often skips campaigning to stay home with him. >> he needs a parent at home. i'm teaching him morals and values and preparing him for his
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life to be an adult. >> reporter: when she is on the trail, melania is more often seen than heard. though she spoke briefly in wisconsin last week. >> i'm very proud of him. he's hard worker. he's kind. he has a great heart. >> reporter: with a loving wife, five children, and now eight grandchildren, donald trump surrounds himself with family. in his businesses and in his campaign. >> the happiest people i see are people that have a great family life. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> well, you're about to see an meet his entire family. up next the "360" republican town hall with donald trump, his wife, and kids. stay with us. on a rack. but the specialists at ford like to show off their strengths: 13 name brands. all backed by our low price tire guarantee. yeah, we're strong when it comes to tires.
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good evening, and welcome. it's a big night. a town hall night here again. john kasich and his family last night. right now donald trump and members of his family. republican front-runner answering to new york voters exactly one week before the primary. >> tonight, he's on his home turf. >> this is home. it's great to be home. >> and now after a wisconsin thumping, campaign changes, and a week of bad headlines, donald trump is looking t get his campaign back to its winning ways. th i love these people.