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you can watch our entire interview and conversation about what's going to be the next big thing on my cnn international show this weekend. dvr to record "outfront." you can watch our show any time. have a great weekend. see you next week. ac 360" starts right now. good evening. thank you for joining us. a big night in the run-up to new york's primary. donald trump and ted cruz holding a live event tonight. we begin with breaking news and the one candidate not on the trail but overseas, bernie sanders. there are developments in the last hour on what's been a taxing issue for him. >> you've been asked for weeks and weeks to release your tax returns. >> we've got one that's coming out tomorrow. >> which one? >> last year's. >> 2014? >> yes. >> what's about 2013? all the other ones? >> i don't want to get anybody very excited. they are very boring tax
returns. no big money from speeches, no major investments. unfortunately -- unfortunately, i remain one of the poorer members of the united states senate, and that's what that will show. >> so, senator, just to be clear. tomorrow you will release the 2014 tax returns from you and your family? >> yes. >> bernie sanders at the cnn democratic debate last night. he and his wife right now are in rome for a vatican conference. they made arrangements and we've gotten their full 2014 returns. jeff zeleny joins us now with details. what did they show? >> we've been looking through them. there's about seven pages or so in here. it's certainly pretty ordinary. like a run of the mill tax return. they had a reported income of about 2$206,000. this is senator sanders and his wife jane. most of that comes from his
senate salary. he also collects social security benefits, about $64,000 or so. to charity they gave about $8,000 or so. so about 4% or so. it's not huge. but certainly in line with what a lot of americans do. but the point here i think is this. senator sanders has looked like he's been dragging his feet to this point to not release them. what he's been doing and one of his aides confirmed this, trying to draw attention to the fact he does not get outside speeches. he does not get outside money from giving speeches. no outside income here. the only outside income was for jane sanders, about $5,000 or so by sort of serving on a radioactive waste commission here. so the bottom line is they are trying to draw a comparison around tax time with his rival the clintons, of course, who in 2014 had some $28 million in income. and they had about $205,000. >> is there any indication on
when he may release other years' returns and also why now, why releasing it on kind of late on a friday night and why it took so long? people asking questions for this if it's such a simple return. >> i think it was partly by design to drum up a bit more interest in this. this is a very simple tax return that could have been pulled out of a filing cabinet and released. they are trying to draw attention to the differences between the two candidates. the rest of his returns are going to be released. his 2015 return may be released as early as monday when you have to file your tax returns on april 18th here. we're not sure about years previously. he's said that his wife jane prepares their taxes on their own. in fact, it does say these taxes are self-prepared. it says at the very bottom. very normal average here. but we should be getting more next week. again, they are trying to draw this comparison. no surprises here. we know the clintons are wealthy and the sanders are not. not sure this changes any minds.
joining us is sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. so these tax returns were released right before we went on air tonight, a friday night. what do they show? what do they not show? >> what they show is what the senator said on tv. he has a boring tax return. nothing much there. i did have some calls with some reporters who said, wait, why is this not more complicated. it is what it is. he is not a man of means. doesn't have a complicated set of taxes. and the truth of the matter is the top two pages of this tax return were released last june and written about in "the washington post." what people got today were the schedules that go with the tax form. >> given that they are seemingly so simple, or this one that's been released is, why did it take so long? >> as the senator said last night, his wife does them for the family, and they've been quite busy lately. so the forms are out. he promised they'd be out tonight. everybody is probably a little disappointed. >> hillary clinton has released
tax returns from 2000 and 2014. will your campaign be as transparent as she has been with that many returns? >> we'll be releasing some earlier ones as well. the senator made that pledge as well. that will certainly happen. he's a man of his word. >> and oftentimes things are released on a friday night, heading into the weekend late. friday document dump. was there any consideration in terms of the timing of the release? >> if you look at the release -- the tax stuff -- the tax forms, there's not really much there to be trying to dump. just a question of getting it out. >> i want to play something bill clinton said on the campaign trail today. let's listen. >> sure. >> one of the few things i really haven't enjoyed about this primary, i think it's fine that all these youngsters have been so enthusiastic for her opponent. just shoot every third person on wall street and everything will be fine. the truth is there are 50,000
fewer people there today. the dodd/frank act is working. >> so what do you make of that -- i guess attempt at humor. the characterization that a sanders supporter would shoot every third person on wall street. >> there's been a pattern developing of the clinton campaign disparaging the large numbers of young voters who have come out to support bernie sanders. president clinton did it tonight. the secretary has done it herself saying that they are just about having a protest vote. bernie sanders is bringing thousands into the process. those in the democratic party to disparage those people and their sincerity and knowledge is not a very smart strategy in terms of trying to build the democratic party. >> i also want to ask you something reince priebus said today. whoever the gop candidate is they'd rather have him run against hillary clinton than bernie sanders. she's already defined and her campaign is currently, quote, in
the ditch. >> the polls are clear. bernie sanders is the strongest general election candidate on the democratic side. he beats all of the republicans. secretary clinton. he beats them by bigger margins. in many polls she loses to either kasich or cruz. so that's a real danger for the party. >> over the last couple of weeks you've said you thought this could end up at a contested convention. i wonder what percentage of a chance you have of that happening. a lot of people think you are tilting windmills with that notion. it's going to be settle with pledge delegates before. >> with pledge delegates, it's very, very unlikely that either candidate will arrive at the convention with the requisite number of pledge delegates. now then what will happen is it will be a question of superdelegates who are -- while they may announce for somebody are really unpledged until they actually vote during the convention process. certainly will be incumbent upon our campaign and the clinton campaign to make the case to
those superdelegates, most of whom are elected officials or party leaders, that their candidate is the most well positioned to win in november. the democratic party wants to win in november. we can't lose the white house. we can't lose ground in the senate and house. we have to gain ground. that's going to be picking the strongest candidate. and the polling shows that's bernie sanders. pretty consistently over many months. >> jeff weaver, we appreciate it. thank you. joining us is maggie haberman and errol lewis on the cnn debate panel last night, naomi constance and angela rye. maggie, with the tax returns, when i heard it was being released friday night at this time i thought, oh, this is a classic document dump. then we see the document it's kind of hohum. >> not much dumping there. i agree with jeff zeleny. the idea here was to drum up interest so there was a clear contrast with hillary clinton.
you saw how senator sanders portrayed this last night. i don't have big speeches or big investments. so this was done very deliberately and you heard jeff weaver say, it just took a while to get it out. but also it's very thin. we'll have this going forward. the question is going to be whether he does release additional taxes. we're used to seeing candidates release years and years of them, as you said. this is just sort of a slow dribble but it does keep the pressure on clinton, and there is a lot of interest in the democratic base on these paid speeches of hers. she still doesn't have a great answer about why she won't release them. >> errol, does it make it harder for secretary clinton not to release the speech transcripts because bernie sanders can say i've released my tax returns. why don't you release the speeches? >> she brought it up last night as a parallel. and it's interesting because we sort of discussed before the debate, are these things really parallel. and the consensus is they're really not. they're really very different kind of things. but she brought up, look, you're asking for my speeches?
this guy hasn't shown on his taxes. he's started to show us the taxes. it will put more pressure on her. i've seen enough friday evening dumps to be just a tiny, tiny suspicious even after the fact. the reality is an income tax form shows you sources of income. it doesn't show you much of anything else. if over the years bernie sanders has invested in different mutual funds, perhaps common stocks and so forth, a tax return, the summary of it, is not going to tell you that. i'd be curious if there are investments, if there are mutual funds that include companies like ge, that include companies like verizon. it's worth asking given what he's talked about during this campaign. this tax return, this one certainly, maybe even others, don't necessarily answer that question. >> you would get a sense if there's many years released that he's received, you know, capital gains on things that are sold that that might reflect it. >> of course, if you buy and hold that's not considered a taxable event. the question has to be asked.
>> or a day trader that we didn't know about. >> financial disclosure forms. those would have to be disclosed there. >> do you think this is enough transparency? >> absolutely. look. jeff zeleny hit the nail on the head here. it probably was to keep the pressure on hillary clinton. but what i'm seeing here is there's a tale of two campaigns. bernie sanders has been playing by the books, going to the people for the money for the campaign. $27 average donation. and hillary clinton. not so much what's in the transcripts but concerns me as a voter is why she continues to give these speeches up until two weeks before the campaign. what we saw recently in her fcc filing she's been getting up to $655,000 to her campaign. is the money, the $11 million she made off of speeches alone in 2014, is that money funding her campaign in a very creative way? there are campaign limits or contribution limits that go forwards campaigns. and the clintons are creative.
they sold the lincoln bedroom? >> yeah, i want to respond. so the first thing that frustrated me as a former hill staffer is bernie sanders' campaign is playing up this paid speeches thing quite a bit. there's one key factor here. senate ethics rules prohibit any elected senator period from being paid for speeches. there's an honorary ban meaning he's not allowed to be paid for speeches. even ginning that up at the debate. you cannot be paid for speeches. you'll not have paid speeches. you can get a contribution to a charity of your choice up to $2,000. >> the speech thing is interesting for somebody who clearly knew she was going to run for president or at least there was a high probability she would -- she claims she didn't know when i talked to her at the town hall a long time ago. that seems hard to me to believe given everybody else seems to at least believe she was considering it and had looked into it. for her to make the judgment
that i'm very likely to run for president but i'm going to squeeze in a couple more of these speeches with goldman sachs seems as a judgment question alone surprising. >> sure. for some folks, they should raise that. it should continue to be raised. i think the reality of it is that's her decision. she could ultimately decide, you know, i'm still going to talk to these folks. i'm going to need them. they were people i talked to while a new york senator, as she said before. i don't have an opinion one way or another on that. it's very frustrating to me that bernie sanders would not be paid for a speech. >> but the difference, running to be president of the democratic party between bill clinton and her they've made over $160 million off speeches since 2000 alone. no other person that's running for office is doing that on the democratic line and she's running to take on wall street. it's not the same standard as republicans or bernie sanders because he's not giving the speeches and -- >> and that's my whole point.
he literally cannot. >> thanks very much. everyone else is going to stay with us. in just under two hours, an encore presentation of cnn's democratic presidential debate. if you haven't watched it, grab some popcorn. all the passion, every question errol asked in the democratic face-off that could change the face of the democratic primary. up next, heavy protests at a donald trump event. trump supporters filing ot. police trying to keep things calm, move it along. we'll take you there after the break. later, a tiger goes on the attack at a popular zoo. the incident is deadly. we'll bring you the latest this to encounter.
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as we mentioned, donald trump and ted cruz holding competing events tonight. mr. trump in hartford, connecticut. a confrontation has been occurring outside. cnn's noah gray is among the protesters. how large a crowd of protesters is this? what's been going on? >> so we're outside of the connecticut convention center. there are a couple hundred protesters. and while trump was speaking, as some protesters were getting kicked out, they came out cheering and high-fiving their fellow -- but the big thing that happened is thousands of supporters were pouring out down the stairs
directly into where the protesters were protesting outside here. so far there haven't been any arrests. it's been peaceful but intense for quite some time. they do not have a police line between protesters and supporters. there were some engagements, people shouting get a job. a lot of protesters shouting back, we have a job. all the supporters have left coming out of the venue but there are some standoffs outside in the crowd here. police are moving in. they've created a barricade, a police line and are trying to get people to disperse but there are little scrums here and there with hundreds of people out here right now. we're monitoring the situation. >> noah, thanks very much. let's go inside. miguel marquez is inside the hall. how did the event go. what have you been seeing inside? >> it was, for the most part, a typical trump event with the
crowd extraordinarily excited to see him. so many people trying to get in. they didn't have enough room to get them in here. during the event there were perhaps five, maybe six either individuals or groupses of protesters who were moved out. trump saying you don't point the cameras at the big crowds, only at the protesters, upsetting the crowd and turns on the press. for the most part the protests were black lives matter protesters inside here. i saw one young latino man taken out. his issue with latinos has been evident throughout new york. and here tonight as well. and a lot of younger groups of protesters. teenagers for the most part. mr. trump staying on message telling the crowd here, very excited crowd to see him that they'll get to 1,237 delegates. >> last night donald trump released an op ed in "the wall street journal" doubling down on attacks against the rnc. what more do you know about it?
>> he is sick of it, i think. he clearly in "the wall street journal" saying the situation in colorado is -- just cannot stand. he said they've had their vote basically erased becausy in party bosses in colorado are the ones who decide how those delegates would be apportioned. all of them going -- all of those going to ted cruz. in "the wall street journal," he called it a flagrant abuse of the rules. the system is being rigged by party operatives with, quote, double agent delegates who reject the decision of the voters. tonight he's saying if they do not allow him to become the nominee for the republican party, his supporters will not vote in november. >> all right. miguel marquez, thanks. ted cruz has been criss-crossing new york for days. finds himself in upstate in rochester. sunlen serfaty is there. cruz was a target in trump's op ed in "the wall street journal." hoos he responded today?
>> he has responded on the campaign trail. he's trying to brush it aside, ssh essentially calling donald trump a sore loser. no surprise donald trump always gets unhappy when losing. the cruz campaign is relishing in this moment. they believe outright they've outmaneuvered the trump campaign following an excessive following of the rules and their knowledge of the delegate process and the details here. so the cruz campaign is happy with the contrast, in essence, that trump's complaints draw because they believe it really shines a light on the management and differences between each of their campaigns. >> and these last few days before the primary, is cruz solely focusing on new york now? >> interesting, after his campaign rally here in rochester, he's heading to wyoming for the saturday convention. there are 14 delegates at stake. and that speaks to what we're talking about.
he is the only candidate that will appear at that state's convention. they're trying to grab a handful of delegates here and there. and in essence it could provide a symbolic victory of him as well going into tuesday's primary in new york where he has already started to lower expectations. donald trump is going to fare very good here on tuesday. potentially a symbolic victory. >> sunlen serfaty, thank you. joining us is rick lazio, also tara setmayer and trump supporter kayleigh mcenany. this ongoing feud between donald trump and the rnc. reince priebus has pushed back on this a number of times. >> what was interesting about the op ed, it's the first time he tried to mainstream this conversation. this was made very, very sort of coherently in language we don't
normally hear him lose. i assume he had some writing help. he's attempting to make this argument in a way that people who are opinionmakers and donors and others can hear it and see it and start to take his side and make it a more fullsome argument. i think that trump is doing two things. a, this is how he handles when he loses. i think he lost some contests. every contest he said to one of our reporters, it's when i lose, the contests i don't do well, i talk about the rules. this sets it up where he wins either way. if he's not the nominee, he can say it's stolen for him. if he wins the nominee, he can say he beat the strategy. it's not a bad strategy if you are him. >> it makes a lot of sense for him. >> what he's doing is he's making the establishment the boogie man. for millions of americans, they feel let down by the system. by the establishment. their wages are stagnant. they aren't getting ahead. their kids are moving back home. their parents have moved in with
them. they are being overwhelmed because they're paying so much more in rent than they can afford. and they want to believe somebody, and here comes donald trump or on the left bernie sanders or hillary clinton saying it's the banks and trump, it's immigration and he's saying in this case, it's the establishment. by saying it's the establishment he doesn't have to explain that. he has an inadequate ground game. doesn't organize well. that actually ted cruz, whatever you think of him in terms of his politics, has a superior organization. he doesn't have to communicate that or admit that to his support irs. >> kayleigh, a number -- several former "apprentice" contestants have come out saying donald trump is unfit. normally i wouldn't cover former "apprentice" contestants, but donald trump has put out former apprentice contestants to speak on his behalf. trump now has dismissed these ones as former reality show wannabes who are trying to get back into the spotlight. do you think they have any power
or any impact at all? >> not at all. here's the thing. the six apprentice contestants who came out against him, five of the six were fired by him. you'd expect the ones fired to be disgruntled and have a beef with the boss. we don't see a long string of people coming out who have worked for trump who are against trump. one thing i'd point out, none of them gave specific anecdotes or examples of why trump is all the things they claim. they used generalized labels to call him bigoted. what i'd look to and give more more credit to are the people that have come out with specific stories like the former almost miss usa who got cancer and trump five years after her tenure within his organization, trump came back to her, sent her a letter, took care of her and her son. those are specific anecdotes. not generalizations but five people that were fired by trump. >> for ted cruz heading out to wyoming to pick up ideally a dozen or more delegates at stake there, but donald trump does as
well in new york as he seems to be, if you believe all the latest polls, he's going to pick up an awful lot of delegates right here. >> right. but it is a delegate game at this point. there are states where there's not a direct primary. that's absolutely legal. the article 2 of the constitution allows for the states to determine how delegates are selected. that's the way our constitution works. if donald trump doesn't like that, then perhaps he has a beef with our founding fathers because that's the system they set up. it's convenient to feign outrage when he's losing. he's playing a smart political tactic game. he's obtaining delegates everywhere that he can to prevent donald trump from getting 1237. in 1856, you have to have a majority of the delegates. 1,237 is not a magic number. ever since 1856, 160 years you have to have a majority of the delegates. just another quick point about new york. if donald trump doesn't make the
50% threshold in new york, which i think is possible, it will have to deal with a couple of things. one will be that he had zero get out the vote efforts and apparatus on the ground to let people know they need to switch their registration by october 9th. that's 3 million people in new york who are unaffiliated that probably had no idea. >> including his kids. >> that's right. if he doesn't make that 50% threshold, that could play a factor because he's had so many crossovers. they brag about that. that could be a factor. >> errol, "the washington post" has endorsed him. >> it might convince some late-breaking voters. i don't know that there were that many who didn't have an opinion. >> whin you're talking about the establishment, it's not just bankers and k street lobbyists down in washington and big power brokers. it's also, you know, county commissioners and mayors of small towns and people who we always see at the conventions.
they come out and they are volunteers. they aren't paid. they aren't getting rich. they aren't the cause of a lot of the problems. and when donald trump insults them and implies that say the volunteers who went to this convention in colorado were all part of some -- >> they are rigging it. >> yeah, it's alienating the very people that he's going to possibly have to bargain with if it comes down to a convention fight. just ahead, whether the tone of last night's cnn debate will have an impact on democratic voters. and one thing you can't mess with is math. john king is going to break down the delegate math. here's the plan. you want a family and a career, but most of the time you feel like you're trying to wrangle a hurricane. the rest of the time, they're asleep. then one day, hr schedules a meeting with you out of the blue. and it's the worst 19 minutes of your career.
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what a difference a half a year makes. if you've been following the democratic race, as of last night, all the kumbayas have changed to boo-yah. let's flash back to the debate in november. >> let me say something that may not be great politics, but i think the secretary is right. and that is that the american people are sick and tired of hearing about your damn e-mails. >> thank you. me too. me, too.
>> here's last night in brooklyn. >> wait a minute. wait a minute. wait -- >> that's just not accurate. >> i have stood on the debate stage with senator sanders eight prior times. >> senator, senator, please. >> -- in new york or los angeles -- >> secretary, the viewers -- >> let me just say -- >> secretary, let him finish. >> okay. >> i put it out -- >> excuse me. i think i'm responding now. >> please go ahead. >> interesting comment but you didn't answer the question. >> i did. yes, i did. >> may i please -- >> well, don't put words into my mouth and say something that's -- >> go ahead, senator. >> whether the tone shift will have an impact on voters will be seen. hillary clinton is ahead in delegates, even in sanders has picked up delegates in the last few states. this is going to involve math, maybe even algebra. we're bringing in john king to
break it down. another poll out today showing a big double-digit clinton lead in new york. how much does she need to win here? >> she needs it and big time to stop that sanders momentum and help her math. 229 pledge delegate lead for secretary clinton. she wants to win big in new york. this gives it to clinton at 55/45 which is smaller than the polls suggest. there we go. if she wins new york, it's not just about winning new york but what she thinks it would prove is if she hauled in her lock with african-americans and latino voters. that gets her a springboard through the rest of april. in this scenario she'd lose oinl rhode island. winning pennsylvania, and delaware. she extends her delegate lead to the 280s, 290s, maybe as high as 300. that's how the clinton campaign wants to end the month of april. >> so how does sanders change the dynamic to prevent the big clinton april from happening? >> the best way to dhange would
be to change that math by doing it this way. have bernie sanders win new york. and somehow come back and upset clinton in new york. even if it's 51-49 to not only get delegate math in his favor but say i still have the momentum and beat you in your backyard. what they hope for n polls suggest this is not going to happen, but a win in new york, a win in pennsylvania, a win in connecticut and rhode island and a win maybe in delaware. we give secretary clinton only -- maybe delaware would switch because of the african-american population but the sanders dream scenario is win in new york and get two or three more states in april. in that case they'll have kept the lead about the same or narrowed it a little and they can continue to make the case they have momentum. >> there's a lot of talk from the sanders people about a contested campaign. what does the road to that look like? is it a real possibility? >> it's a real possibility but an unlikely possibility at the moment which is why new york and the rest of april are important for bernie sanders. he has to break her demographic
lock. she's winning in states with significant african-american or latino populations. if this goes secretary clinton's way, you get secretary clinton winning in this region like i said. and bernie sanders picks up some states and then out to california and clinton wins, then you can have a scenario where clinton is 21/79. she need 2383. if she keeps winning, she won't lose the superdelegates and the superdelegates at the convention would put her well over the line. how does bernie sanders reverse that? sanders has to come up with a plan. essentially to run the board in april. lose one or two, if he can survive at most. win west virginia, win indiana and come west and win california. in that case, bernie sanders gets close enough to what he's hoping for. this is a dream scenario. what they hope for is if he gets that close that would cause a panic among the superdelegates and then a debate at the convention for the loyalty of those delegates. for that to happen, bernie sanders needs an awful lot to change in this race.
he'd need to change it beginning with a win in new york and carry it through the mid-atlantic in the month of april. >> john, thanks very much. coming up, donald trump's roots are deep in the heart of queens in new york. how do people in his old neighborhood remember him? we went to find out. also breaking news on a tragedy in florida. a zookeeper kil eer killed by a. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today.
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we saw tense moments tonight. they appear to be over in hartfo hartford, connecticut, where a trump event just finished up. trump's no less polarizing in his home state even in his home turf. randi kaye went searching for people who knew him when and found no shortage of opinions. >> reporter: about ten miles and a world away from trump tower in manhattan, you'll find jamaica estates in queens. the stomping ground of a young donald trump. >> the neighborhood when donald trump was a boy was a rather privileged community. it was fairly conservative. queens was still a republican borough until, i'd say, the late '50s. >> reporter: this wealthy enclave was built at the turn of the last century as an oasis to
city life. and it's where donald's father fred trump built this house for his growing family. >> they were very quiet, unassuming in the neighborhood, and private people. donald trump is kind of an anomaly in the trump family. kind of a devil, an impish kind of kid always getting himself in trouble. >> reporter: paul oniche knows that devilish side of donald trump. >> we frequently got detention for passing notes back and forth, throwing spitballs at each other and talking out of turn. >> reporter: he was one of trump's best friends in middle school. that's a young donald at the bar mitzvah party in the pinstriped jacket. in this photo, paul in the captain's hat is the lead in the school musical. opposite him, donald trump who played his shipmate. he said his friend who he called donny was a polarizing figure even back then. >> he was a little too brash, a
little too loud. he wanted things to be his way and those who were on his side liked the way his way was. the group that didn't like it, they stayed away from us. >> reporter: donald trump went to elementary and middle school here at the private q forest school in queens. but his friends say he spent so much time in detention, they referred to getting a detention as getting a d.t., a donny trump. his parents sent him to a military academy in upstate new york. back in his old neighborhood, many can't believe the boy they knew could become the republican nominee or even president. >> it's an amazing feeling. it's surreal. just, you know, how many people could say that? >> reporter: others can't believe some of the more controversial comments trump has made on the campaign trail. queens prides itself on its diversity. just down the street from his boyhood home what is now one of
the biggest muslim populations in the city. it's one of the many reasons residents here, including democrats like martha, are conflicted about trump's rise in the polls. >> the feeling in the neighborhood is quite mixed. yes, there's pride he's a native son, however, many have said that listening to some of the things that he says, they can't abide those comments because they're just not what comes out of this neighborhood. >> reporter: a neighborhood that, thanks to donald trump, is now a part of political history. >> rand i joinsis. the pictures of a young donald trump are amazing. what else did his friends say about trump as a young boy? >> you have to love those pictures. his friend paul painted trump as a young tough competitor, even as a young boy. on the soccer field he'd often yell at him barking out the orders to make sure they won the game. and to scare players from other teams, he and trump actually showed their toughness by eating
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breaking news. a big cat goes on the attack at the palm beach zoo in florida and kills a beloved zookeeper called the tiger whisperer. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: just before 2:00 p.m., the head tiger keeper was getting ready for an event at the zoo. 38-year-old stacey was going to answer questions from guests about the four rare and endangered tigers housed there. three males and one female. she was in the so-called night house where the tigers eat and
sleep, when she was bitten by one of the male tigers. police had to tranquilize the tiger before they could reach stacey who was airlifted to the nearest hospital. >> the love they have for these animals, you don't get into this business without the love for these animals and understanding the danger that's involved even more. >> reporter: the tiger keeper's injuries so severe, she died at the hospital. >> my name is stacey. i'm the primary tiger keeper here. >> reporter: stacey was working to help breed the tigers in an effort to save their species. the zoo has not said which of the male tigers bit her and the animal is contained according to zoo officials. >> about 340 pounds. a little on the larger end of a tiger. >> reporter: she worked at the zoo for three years, including her husband who was a trainer here. >> this was her specialty. this is what she was trained to deal and loved. loved tigers. >> reporter: attacks by zoo animals are relatively rare in the u.s. in 2007 a siberian tiger escaped
her open air enclosure in the san francisco zoo and attacked three guests. one 17-year-old boy was killed. tatiana was shot and killed by police after the mauling. in 2003, siegfried and roy were performing in las vegas with their white tiger monticor. he bit him in the neck dragging him around. roy horn survived the attack. >> we're doing all of this because of the endangered status of the tiger. >> reporter: details of how and why stacey was bitten by this tiger are still unknown. the zoo is being investigated and remains closed. gary tuchman, cnn, atlanta. moments ago the zoo released a statement saying the public was never in danger and mourning the loss of the tiger keeper. joining su ining us is a zoolog the incident happened inside the
cat's night house where they eat and sleep. what stands out about the incident? >> it's significant it happened in that particular enclosure. typically zoo cats, that's where they feel most comfortable. they are trained to feel like that's their territory. so when you talk about acts of aggression or acts of dominance, which this might have been either, that would be the most likely place for something like this. >> and the zookeeper was very experienced. her colleagues referred to her as the tiger whisperer. does it surprise you she would be attacked? >> i read somewhere where it said she had three years experience and hands-on stuff with tigers. i feel that's an exaggeration of skill. to be experienced in handling tigers because they are so intricate, you're talking 10, 15 years. these animals are super dangerous and people most typically get injured in their first five years of working hands-on with a big tiger.
show as much as it's horrifying and saddening, it's not shocking because these are predators. this is what they do and they are very good at. >> something when you're handling animals like this, you always have to keep that in mind. >> obviously much like myself, this woman has a passion. and that passion drives you to accept the risk. and there's no question that this woman would have known the risk she was taking but accepted it because of all the positives and up side. i know that personally because i handle tigers myself. it's heartbreaking to hear about a story of someone who loves an animal so much that then went and lost their life to that animal because i can relate. the same thing could possibly happen to me tomorrow. >> when you work with an animal, you know it's natural to develop what you think is a bond with them. but, i mean, this is an animal which clearly doesn't necessarily feel a bond. >> the bonds we'd feel, like in
this case, it may be a mother/son, meaning she was probably the mother to some of these tigers in her own mind. but, you know, in the wild, a son or a daughter would absolutely happily, you know, kick another parent out of their territory physically or violently. so even though we would use human terms to describe a bond with a tiger, a tiger is usually in tiger terms. and unfortunately, that can end very violently. >> generally what causes this kind of attack? is it an attempt to kill? is it just -- do we know what causes it? >> yeah, i would say it's very subtle. you are either thinking of, if a tiger felt threatened or nervous, they react with aggression. if a tiger feels very hungry and sees it as a source of prey, which in a zoo circumstance is very, very unlikely. so the third thing might be a sense of dominance.
when you are walking into an animal and saying, hey, if you do these rules right, we can give you treats and let you go into different enclosures, that forces the animal to follow a certain amount of rules which creates mental dominance. it could be an act of, hey, i don't want to be dominated by you anymore. it couldb an act of, i'm scared of you. i want to hurt you. so it's any one of those things. n unless you were there in that particular where you know that woman, that touring iger or the relationship it would be difficult to speculate. >> our thoughts and prayers are with her family. dave salmoni, thank you. we'll be right back. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. proven to help the majority of people find clear or almost clear skin.
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