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$5 the battle for new york is won, but the war for delegates is far from over. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. donald trump not changing his tune despite his huge win in new york. >> it's a rigged, crooked system that's designed so that the bosses can pick whoever they want and that people like me can't run and can't defend you against foreign nonsense and can't defend you against china and japan and mexico and vietnam and india and every single country you could name because we lose with every -- we lose -- believe me, with every deal we do. >> but as far as ted cruz is concerned, the plus-size lady, shall we say, ain't singing yet. >> donald is on a path to losing
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the nomination, and all of his bluster, all of his bravado, is designed to hide that simple fact. >> there's no love lost on the democrats' side either. bernie sanders campaign promising to fight for every last super delegate as hillary clinton says this. >> i can't do this unless you help me, and next tuesday is a great opportunity to start us on the path to the white house. >> a lot of ground to cover tonight, but we want to begin with some breaking news. protests at hillary clinton's rally tonight in philadelphia. here with that, cnn's joe johns. joe, there were some protesters removed from the clinton event in philadelphia. tell us what you saw. >> reporter: well, don, to put it in context, these protesters do pop up from time to time despite the fact that hillary clinton and her husband, the former president, do go to events in african-american neighborhoods. in fact, hillary clinton today
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was at a black church. nonetheless, this evening while she was appearing here at the fillmore in philadelphia, about 10, perhaps even 20 protesters were removed from the room. they were holding up signs. they were chanting things like "don't trust them." "they're killing people. don't trust hillary" . removed from the room. i didn't see any violence in the room. i think it's also important to say that watching the event here in the room, hillary clinton was not affected by it at all. she didn't stop. she didn't address the protesters. she just kept talking. the other thing i think that's important to say is from my vantage point at least from the back of the room, people who were cheering for hillary clinton tended to drown out
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these protesters. so typical of some other events we've seen, we know the clintons have run into trouble, particularly because of things that mr. clinton signed while he was president, including the 1994 crime bill, the welfare reform bill that doesn't work well with many of these protesters. they disagree with it, and you've seen protests from time to time. this is just one example of that. >> joe johns in philadelphia. didn't seem to hurt her last night here in new york. we'll continue on now. thank you, joe. appreciate that. i'm going to bring in dana bash and michael smerconish. let's talk about these results. after last night's results, this is a different race, isn't it? >> very much so. let's just start on the democratic side where joe johns was just talking. this is -- this is hillary clinton's race. bernie sanders went home for the first time -- i can't even remember the last time he's actually gone home and taken some time off the campaign trial to try to get some rest, to try
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to regroup, to try to figure out what's going to be next. we have a lot of big primaries in six days on tuesday, including the state where michael is, in pennsylvania. i think the bottom line, is what he's going to figure out and probably talking about right now is whether or not he's going to keep going at it with hillary clinton or is going to take a page from her speech last night and try to, you know, be united and use the very, very significant leverage that he has to try to keep pushing his messages and his issues on the democratic party, which he's done incredibly successfully so far. >> the question is at what point -- because, michael, don't shoot the messenger here, but the math is not on bernie sanders' side at this point. anything is possible, but the math is not on his side. the question that everyone is asking and how long does this go on and does this damage hillary clinton, who appears to be the likely nominee right now? >> well, in a campaign that's
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had a lot of ups and downs, i think the math has been on a continuum. i don't know that the math has ever changed for senator sanders, and it hasn't dissuaded the money that he's been able to receive in those $27 donations, nor the crowds that have come to hear him speak. but finally i think people are now, because we're in the home stretch, we're really entering the final chapter of the pre-convention phase. people are starting to say what's the end game, and my hunch is he's pretty much back to where he started. it's all about being a message campaign, not one that can win a nomination. >> totally agree. >> let's talk about donald trump last night, the republican side. listen to what he is looking ahead to to the general election. listen. >> a lot of people think i'll put states into play that will never be in play like i'll win michigan. no other republican is going to even compete in michigan. i'll win pennsylvania. i'll win states that nobody else and, guess what, i'm going to win new york. >> so, michael, what do you
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think here? could he flip some blue states in the fall? could he win in new york? >> well, i think that he could win in pennsylvania in the primary. i don't think he can win in a general. he's trailing. but, you know, i've given up trying to predict what's going to happen, don, because i've been incorrect too many times. i feel like i better hang it up sooner or later. i think there will be some strange alliances and some strange bedfellows. i happen to think he'll poach some of those sanders voters. >> interesting. dana, next tuesday, five 172 delegates on the republican side. 384 delegates on the democratic side. so what is the playing field like? which candidates do these states favor? >> well, on the republican side, they favor donald trump big-time, in a big way. and more importantly, they are not fertile ground for the krcr
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campaign at all. like maybe in central pennsylvania, which as michael knows was famously called in 1992 or even before that, alabama? >> alabama. it's philadelphia on one side, pittsburgh on the other, and alabama in the middle. so he might be able to do well in alabama. >> and then john kasich is originally from the pittsburgh area before he moved to ohio. so you have that, but one thing i think that we really need to underscore with regard to pennsylvania is whether or not anybody wins. let's say donald trump wins or not. there are 54 unbound delegates. >> yeah. >> that is something that is so critical, and already, you know, you're hearing from team trump, who are getting with the program on the delegate race, that if he ends up just short of the 1,237 at the end of the voting process on june 7th, that those unbound delegates are going to be the most popular people on the planet.
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and they're going to try to woo them to trump to get him over the finish line. it's entirely possible. >> just about anything to do it besides blatantly paying them off. i want you to respond to that too as well, michael, because there's 71 unbound delegates. 54 of the 71 pennsylvania republican delegates are unbound, i should say. how does that work, and what will that mean for this race? >> well, it's a wacky system. three are elected from each congressional district. let me illustrate by my district. i live in pennsylvania's second congressional district. there are four candidates on the republican ballot for delegate, and you walk in, don, not having any idea based on what's on the ballot who these individuals will vote for when they get to cleveland. i just made contact with all four of them. two will not commit. one said, i'm voting for ted cruz no matter what. only one of the four said, i'm
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going to follow the will of the electorate. and that's why we call it a beauty contest. to dana's point, what it means is that these 54 sit out there. and if trump comes in at 1,100, 1150, 1,200, and he's looking for a group that he can sway, he's going to be focused on pennsylvania. >> can the front-runners put this race to bed after april 26th? dana, can they after april 26th? can they put this to bed? >> can they put it to bed? no. i mean that's just the bottom line. no. nobody is going to be able to put it to bed until at or close to on the republican side, june 7th, and only the democratic side, it's not going to be put to bed until bernie sanders decides that he wants to put it to bed. and he's given no indication that that's going to happen before the convention. and, you know, who knows again what he's going to try to get because you're right. and michael's right. he has so much momentum, so much
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money. he's made such an impact on the democratic race and on the party. he's in the catbird seat right now. >> he is. the question is will his voters, the people who are supporting him, if hillary clinton happens to the nominee, are they going to vote for her, or are they going to stay home? no one knows. >> no one knows. >> we're going to discuss that a little later on the show. michael, you have been talking to pennsylvania voters. tell us who they are and what they have been talking about. >> i think you'll get a kick out of this. so there's been a lot written about a record number of individuals who have joined the republican party in pennsylvania just since the first of the year. so we gathered a dozen of them, right? these were all ds who have just become rs, and i think you'll be interested in what you hear from some of them. >> how many of you switched from democratic party to the republican party? raise your hand. wow. everybody. how many of you either favorably or unfavorably were motivated by
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donald trump? raise your hand. oh, my. >> that's your focus group. >> maybe this is why i've never done a focus group before. okay. is there anyone among you who joined to vote for trump because you want to prop him up so that hillary or bernie can beat him? >> no. >> a couple of those. >> donald trump, i believe, is truly a dangerous man for american democracy. if he was to be elected president, it would say more about the electorate actually than donald trump. >> you don't want him to be your president? >> no, i do not. >> even if you vote for him, it's to prop him up? >> it would be to set up the showdown in the general election or -- yeah, essentially i don't want donald trump to be president, and i listen to cruz, and he's even scarier in many ways. >> i agree with you. >> the takeaway, don, is it's a referendum on donald trump. they're all motivated to join
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the gop, some for him and some against him. i think that's true of what's going to happen tuesday. >> i love the panel, but i also love that gentleman's suit and hat, the stars and stripes. now, that is what you wear to the polls on election night. >> you know, it's definitely backwards in a lot of ways. if you're a republican in pennsylvania, you don't want people coming back to the party, and i say back because michael knows this. it used to be a lot more politically diverse state, and now it's much more democratic. but the bottom line is that you don't want them to come back to vote against one of your candidates, right, michael? you remember the good old days, the counties of philadelphia where you are right now, they were all about moderate republicans. now, there's some but not as many. >> wrap it up quickly for me, michael. >> well, it's true, and it's a closed primary state like new york. so it takes a little bit of doing. look at what happened to the trump kids in pennsylvania. not as restrictive, but you
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can't just walk in on tuesday and decide to vote. >> thanks, michael. thanks, dana. appreciate it. see you soon. don't miss smerconish. when we come back, the man who says be careful what you wish for. why hillary clinton shouldn't want bernie sanders to drop out just yet. frank rich is here. (announcer) need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 100 of the web's leading job boards with a single click, then simply select the best candidates from one easy-to-review list. and now you can use ziprecruiter for free. go to ziprecruiter.com/offer5
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hoplenty fast.? it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast. it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast. even if it doesn't catch on, doesn't mean it's not true. the john deere ztrak z535m. it's how well you mow fast. big victories by both donald trump and hillary clinton in the crucial new york primary having a direct impact on the republican and democratic race. so let's discuss now. mr. frank rich is here, writer at large for new york magazine and an executive producer of hbo's show, "veep." i'm going to ask you this question knowing full well you wrote this for new york magazine, saying why hillary clinton shouldn't want bernie sanders to drop out. i mean it was a pretty good run until last night. so with the odds that, you know, that he'll win the nomination so
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small, should bernie sanders drop out? >> i don't think so. his odds are in infinitesimal. he's not going to win the nomination. she's going to win. but i feel -- >> you're going to get the wrath of the bernie sanders supporters, but go ahead. >> oh, he's going to win in a landslide at the convention. no. i think that it's good for her to be challenged and challenged on his issues, and she's run a fairly undistinguished campaign for the most part. and she needs to be sharper when she has to go against trump. >> okay. so let's play devil's advocate here. because if you look at, you know, what has been thrown at her on the republican side, it's the e-mails, it's benghazi and what have you. and most democrats think that those issues are not big issues. republicans certainly do, and there are some democrats who do. but for the most part, but democrats find or at late progressives take issue with black lives matter, with the 1994 crime bill and those sorts of things where we see the
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protesters. isn't that damaging her more than the republican side? >> right now. but as donald trump keeps saying, i haven't even started on her yet. and also i feel if the race ends, she's sort of off stage and tr trump dominates the national immediate until the summer. >> he's not in it to make her better. he's in it for himself, which he should be. >> he should be, but still there may be a change in tone. that usually happens. and she needs also his supporters. she needs sanders' supporters. >> what does he want? he wants to win. but what do you think he wants? >> i think the guy loves thinking about being presidential now that he's sort of come out of some obscurity to this, you know, really strong race. he wants his issues obviously prominent and to be considered at the convention and her campaign. >> so, listen, let's say that ted cruz -- i think for all intents and purposes mathematically, though, he is eliminated from this race.
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so he'd have to win every single delegate in order to at least have a chance. >> yeah, although according to an a.p. tabulation, it's inexact. even if he did, he'd still be a few delegates behind. >> okay. so but he somehow, even with that, can he still stop donald trump? is that possible? from getting to 1,237? >> well, it's quite possible that trump won't get to 1,237, but the real question is whether he can stop him from getting the nomination if trump comes in with a majority -- a plurality of the delegates and way ahead of everyone else. i know there's all this talk he'll win over delegates, he'll bribe delegates or whatever. he'll win over rubio and kasich delegates. but really is the republican party going to say no to the guy who got the most delegates going into the convention and who leaves every po leads every poll among republican voters? >> i think something we're going to discuss later on as well is one of the websites, i think it was politico is that internally,
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they're saying most people on the republican side, party leaders, say if he gets the closest, it would be hard to take it away from him. they're coming to sort of his -- >> they have to because otherwise they're telling their own voters to get lost, the majority of their own voters. >> i want to put up this exit poll results here because 66% of democratic voters say that the campaign energized the party, okay, while 59% of republicans feel the opposite. you know, that their party is divided. so is there anyone in the republican party who request start pulling voters together for the general election? >> trump. i think -- the republican party? >> yeah. >> yeah, i think so because he's favored by most of them and people in that party want to win, and they loathe hillary clinton and the democrats. that's a pretty unifying factor. >> yeah. what he said, i want to be a uniter. >> and not a divider. >> because ted cruz supporters are just as energized as, i think, bernie sanders supporters on the republican side. >> but i think sanders
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supporters are pretty sympathetic to a lot of what clinton stands for, and a think also a lot of cruz supporters are sympathetic to what trump stands for. >> so despite this enthusiasm on the democratic side, there are troubling signs for hillary clinton. here it is. her image is at pretty near record lows. most americans don't like her, and it cuts across a lot of demographic groups, men, women, white people as well. they don't like her. i mean is this the race -- is this race with bernie sanders, you think, taking her down like we've been talking about because her negatives keep getting bigger among democrats. >> yes. but also among everybody. i mean i think he's played a role to be sure. but nothing compared to the role republicans are going to play in bringing her down. also she's made her own mistakes and a lot of people don't trust her. >> so during the new york campaign, this happened, and i thought of you. hillary clinton with the metro card was more veep than veep.
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when you saw that, did you wonder how your show could compete with this in real life? >> we're sitting around making veep over this campaign year and saying to ourselves, could we come up with a plot idea that a candidate would get into a spat with the pope? and then we see stuff like this. we have to hope that we're wild enough to try to surpass it. the audience will decide, but we've got some pretty crazy stuff coming. >> so last night, everyone was saying, you know, donald trump was so presidential, and he was -- he pulled back and, you know, talling ted cruz senator instead of saying lyin' ted, and then today it was lyin' ted. does it even matter anymore? >> no. because people who love him just love him, and it doesn't matter what he does. there will be trump 3.0 and 4.0 and 8.0 and 10.0 by the time we're done with this. >> you said something in your article that was very interesting. you said the problem for hillary clinton is that the people who are the bernie sanders
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supporters won't be energized enough, may not be energized enough to go to the polls. they may just stay at home because they love bernie so much and they dislike her so much. >> it's not only that they dislike her. they're not enthusiastic about her. she may be likeable enough to them but not likeable enough to get them to go to the polls in november, particularly young voters. >> if that happens, that means president trump for her. >> i'll let you say that. >> just saying. thank you. i appreciate it. frank rich. up next, trump says cruz is mathematically eliminated from getting the gop nomination. now he is just a spoiler. but cruz insists no one, including trump, will have enough delegates to get the nomination before the convention. but who's right? we'll discuss.
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big new york win, donald trump now saying there's not much of a republican race anymore and that he expects to go to the convention as a winner of the gop nomination. joining me now, republican strategist john bray bender and andy dean. hello, gentlemen. welcome back to the program.
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i want you guys to take a look at this tweet. it's from donald trump. he says ted cruz is mathematically out of winning the race. now all he can do is be a spoiler. never a nice thing to do. i will beat hillary. so, john, why is senator ted cruz not a spoiler right now? >> well, i'll tell you what, if he loses all the elections next week, all the primaries, i think that people will be asking that question a little bit because his message increasingly has been vote for me, i'm the only one that stop donald trump, which i don't think is exactly a message of vision. and so i do think this thing has to go a little bit further. but i think there is going to be some fatigue where people are going to be tired of cruz coming in second or third and not winning anything and will be asking that question. >> i want to bring in now alice stewart, who is ted cruz's commune kags director. al its, i've read the tweet saying it's not nice to be a spoiler. how is he not a spoiler right now. >> it's not nice to say things
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that aren't factually accurate. the fact of the matter is the last five contests, ted has won. he swept some of the states and received more than 100 delegates over the last few weeks and the last five contests. look, everyone expected donald trump to win new york. it's his home state. he has tremendous name id. his name is virtually on every building every time you turn the corner in new york, and it was expected for him to win his home state, just like ted won his state and just like john kasich won his. and the key to success moving forward is that ted cruz has developed the grassroots organization that is rising up and has rallied behind him in the last several contests and that will help us moving forward. >> so, andy, here is senator ted cruz today talking about trump and all this delegate math. here he is. >> okay. >> what is clear today is that we are headed to a contested convention. nobody is able to reach 1,237.
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i'm not going to reach 1,237, and donald trump is not going to reach 1,237. we're going to arrive in cleveland with me having a ton of delegates and with donald having a ton of delegates. and at that point it is going to be a battle to see who can earn the support of a majority of the delegates elected by the people. donald is a niche candidate. he gets about a third of the votes in any given state, but he can't expand that to being a majority. to win, you've got to have a broad tent. >> so, andy, donald trump has been saying he's going to get beyond that 1,237 number. ted cruz is confident that this is going to be a contested convention. what say you? >> well, i guess you can't blame ted cruz for saying what he's saying because he literally has no other options. i mean he needs 101% of the remaining delegates to win this thing, which we get mathematically is impossible. and if you just look at the sheer numbers, after next tuesday, donald trump will have
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won 27 states. ted cruz will have won just 11 states. so the idea that ted cruz is calling donald trump a niche candidate, i guess you could say it's laughable if it weren't just factually untrue. >> doesn't trump have a long way to go before he gets to that finish line, especially with cruz and kasich doing everything they can? >> i think he's going to get there to 1250. even fe he does fall short, even in the worst case scenario, he gets to 1,200. all you need is 37 delegates between june 7th, the last vote, and mid-july, which is the beginning of the convention. that's 37 delegates. there are 132 uncommitted delegates. that means that donald trump has to pick up the phone and call 132 people and convince less than a third of them to vote for him. i don't think that that's a tall order. so i think trump's going to get this nomination, and whether he gets 1,237 or he comes very close to that and shy of it,
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he'll still get it on the first ballot. >> john brabender, i know you think last night really hurt ted cruz's narrative that he is the best alternative. what's your reaction? >> you know, first of all, i'm not affiliated with any of these candidates. >> i know. that's why i asked you. >> and, you know, for him to call donald trump a niche candidate but he's getting his butt kicked by the niche candidate, what does that say about cruz? you know, the second thing is -- and i would ask my good friend, alice, what are one of the states he's going to win next week? what's the state he's going to come in second next week? i think that what you're going to see happen is there's going to be a fatigue when donald trump starts winning all these states where people are going to finally say, let's take on hillary clinton because that's the real enemy here. and i just think that, you know, cruz is going to have a tough argument to make. >> alice, i want you to respond to that but let me put this up before because i think this goes to your response. this is from politico, okay? they say that there are now whispers that the real number of delegates trump must win by june 7th when the final contests take
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place may be lower. they go on to say that these conversations reveal a growing if reluctant consensus among party officials and establishment republicans that if he gets close enough, they can't take the nomination away. i mentioned that just a little bit earlier with frank rich. are you prepare the for the possibility that if trump comes close, that he could still collar together the needed delegates, as andy was saying, before the first vote? >> that's not going to happen. look, the rules are that you have to have a majority plus one. it is not who has the most or who is the closest. it's not who gets in the red zone, give them the touchdown. you have to have majority plus one. in all likelihood, playing out all the scenarios and doing all the math, there's a likelihood no one will get to 1,237 before the convention. if and when it is fought on the convention floor, ted cruz is in a much better position to win on the convention floor. he has been working the
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delegates. here's the one thing that the trump campaign has failed to recognize. there's really a two-step process here. if you don't win outright as a presidential nominee, you have to win in terms of the delegate process. and acquiring delegates on the convention floor. and just because he gave up after the first step of the process does not make the delegates we've acquired any less valid. and he made the mistake by dropping the ball after the first step. acquiring the delegates and nurturing and working the grassroots, which ted cruz has done phenomenally, is the key to success on the convention floor. the delegates are rallying behind ted because they understand he has fought for the issues that are important, and they know that he will continue to do so. >> i want to go to break, but andy, i've got to let you go because i know you're raring to go. >> i was going to say, don, look, if this were a close race, like if trump and ted cruz were somewhat close and not millions of votes apart, if they were very close or tied, then alice has a point. there's something to this grassroots, party nerds and cleveland. let the party nerds decide.
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if they were very, very close, that's fine. but that's not what we're dealing with here. we're dealing with almost a landslide, and i think alice and her team needs to understand that. the american people have spoken. >> we're just getting started with this. >> one quick thing. >> you can respond when we come back. stick around. when we come right back, what will it take for donald trump to win with women and non-white voters? ♪ if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis isn't it time to let the real you shine through? introducing otezla, apremilast. otezla is not an injection, or a cream. it's a pill that treats plaque psoriasis differently. some people who took otezla saw 75% clearer skin after 4 months. and otezla's prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't take otezla if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. otezla may increase the risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts,
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donald trump took a huge step towards the nomination with last night's landslide victory here in new york. but is he doing more complaining than celebrating? back with me now, john brabender, alice stewart and andy dean. alice, basically saying your idea about a contested convention is somehow fantasy? >> well, no. i mean in all likelihood, that's where we're going to end up fighting it out on the convention floor. one thing that andy said, on behalf of all this people across this country go to conventions. i'm not sure when is the last time he went to one. but for him to refer to them as party nerds and the way the trump campaign has insulted the
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grassroots people who attend these conventions and support their candidates, it's appalling. these are moms and dads, grandmothers and grand fathers who walk the streets, knock on doors and make phone calls and fight hard for the republican party. and for the trump campaign to insult them like that and say these are crooked deals is appalling. >> i'm not the trump campaign, and i was making a lighthearted joke. i guess the ted cruz campaign doesn't have a sense of humor. if i were them, i wouldn't either because they're 2.3 million votes less than donald trump. and so when i use a joke term that, you know, these delegate people might be a little on the bookish side, then alice is freaking out trying to get a blog to write saying trump campaign calls delegates nerds when i'm not part of the trump campaign. let's chill. >> here's donald trump last night, what he said about this delegate process. >> nobody should take delegates and claim victory unless they get those delegates with voters
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and voting, and that's what's going to happen. and you watch because the people aren't going to stand for it. it's a crooked system. it's a system that's rigged, and we're going to go back to the old way. it's called you vote, and you win. >> so, john, i promise i'm going to get you in here but i want this to go to andy because he's a trump supporter. you know, you have senator ted cruz, andy, saying that trump needs to quit whining about the delegates. speaker paul ryan saying that the rules are the rules. is all of this grumbling still effective? >> look, i think when trump says that the system is crooked, it is crooked. take a state like pennsylvania that votes next tuesday. they have 71 delegates, but the people are only deciding 17 of them on a statewide vote. the other 54 delegates are just going to be these people who go to the convention, who can do whatever the heck they want. and if you look at these sample ballots in pennsylvania. they're online, they have these delegates' names on the ballot
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but they don't say who they're for or who they're against, so you have absolutely no clue who these people are. so if i'm from pennsylvania and i go to the poll and i have to vote for delegates and i don't know who they stand for, yeah, that seems crooked to me. it doesn't take a rocket scientist to say that is crooked. >> john, i think you say donald trump needs to move on, and i want to preface it by saying donald trump has won 47% of the delegates so far. 47%, almost 50%. and about 38% of the votes across the contest, all contests. so the process actually seems to be working in his favor. is that why you say he needs to move on? >> well, yeah. first of all, i think a lot of people think donald trump has done what he's done by winning the lottery or hypnosis or something. the truth of the matter, whatever votes he's got, he earned them. however, i think all of our candidates have to stop talking only about delegates or stopping this guy or this guy's a liar, and instead offer a vision of how you can unite everybody to win in november.
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and nobody is doing that right now. i think that's a real problem for our candidates, and i'm imploring all of them to stop it, grow up, and start running a campaign that's going to beat hillary clinton. >> okay. speaking of more mature campaigns, alice, last night we heard donald trump take a victory lap with a lot of folks saying he sounded more presidential, pointing to the fact he actually referred to ted cruz as senator. today he was back to his old ways. listen to this. >> in the case of lyin' ted cruz, lyin' ted -- lies, oh, he lies -- you know ted. he brings the bible, holds it high, puts it down, lies. >> so why did he go back to the, you know, lyin' ted thing? >> well, that's his comfort zone. we all knew that the tone of civility would last for about five minutes with donald trump. that's where he's running into trouble. he would rather insult and distract from the real issues than talk about the real issues. i agree with john 1,000%.
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ted cruz has been out there talking about the issues that people are concerned with. what he's going to do to break up the washington cartel, creating jobs, national security, and he has done a lot to unify the party. that's why we're seeing tremendous sweeps in a lot of these states. five of the former challengers in the presidential campaign have rallied behind him and are endorsing him, including carly fiorina, jeb bush, several others that were competitors of his now rallying behind him because they realize he is the one that can unify the party and bring them together, defeat donald trump and hillary in november. >> andy, i'll give you the last word. >> my last word would be this idea that ted cruz is this great unifier is bizarre because i think of the 99 other senators, maybe one has endorse the ted cruz. anybody who knows ted cruz thinks the guy is a little awkward, and he's not a uniter. this is a guy who's always been in it for himself whether that's in washington or where he is now. so this idea that ted cruz is going to unite people is bizarre. i think donald trump is the
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uniter, and you're going to last night's victory speech ike- where donald brings the party together because he's the only one who mathematically can win the nomination. >> andy, alice, and john, thank you very much. coming up, will new york be known as the straw that broke the back of bernie sanders, the bernie sanders campaign? we'll discuss.
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the battle between bernie sanders and hillary clinton come down to super delegates. sanders campaign vowing to pressure super delegates to support the senator from vermont. here to discuss is cnn political commentator bob beckel, cnn political contributor hillary rosen. good evening to all of you. hillary rosen, you first. a rou a huge night nor hillary clinton last night. is she at the point where she can focus on the general? >> well, she's got to do both. her team is already looking at the general election. they need to be -- donald trump is going to be a tough general election candidate. that's who everybody expects her to be running again. but, you know, it's possible that other candidates like ted cruz could come up. but, you know, this democratic primary is not over, and bernie
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sanders is still going to be on the campaign trail, still going to be trashing her. and, you know, i expect questioning her judgment and her ethics and doing a lot of things that will not be particularly helpful for democrats. but i think he's going to do it anyway because he really wants to win and thinks that will help him. so she can't take her eye off the ball. got a few big primaries next week and california later in the month. so she's got to keep working on this democratic primary. >> i'm here with mikki, who told me to call her noemi before we came on. you have a good poker face, but you're taking issue. >> i do not have a good poker face. i'm the worst poker face ever. the reality here is the clinton machine, there's quite a few groups out there that will doing messaging for the clintons and spinning this. she gained about 35 to 40 regular pledged delegates out of new york. she had a smaller margin of victory than in 2008. she is not going to reach that
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magical number. she will not reach that magical number by june in order to go to the convention. that's just based on the margin of the latest victories. new york was her best bet. writhe n it worked totally against the favor of bernie sanders and we knew that from the beginning. the problem here is that this is where she was expecting to get 100, 150 delegates, pledged delegates. if she doesn't go beyond that cap of 250, which is what she's been around for the past two months, she's not going to reached the pledged delegate count for the convention. >> bob, you don't have a dog in the hunt here. what do you think? >> i've got to say -- >> can she get to that? >> that was great spin by the way. >> it's math, arith ma tick. >> this race is over. i mean barring the fbi or the justice department indicting hillary clinton, look, i've counted delegates for six presidential campaigns and i can't find a way that she doesn't get there unless s.
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i think this thing will effectively be over by california. the question then is what does bernie do? the question that's been raised is will bernie supporters support hillary clinton? my guess is instinctively they don't want to but one thing will make them do that and that is donald trump. >> i have to disagree with that. democrats don't turn out in opposition. that's something that republicans do. also he has this group of disenfranchised, disaffected voters, newly registered voters and a lot of them are unifying against one cause. that is campaign finance. hillary clinton is emblematic of the problem. so while i'm a democrat and i will vote for democrats and i'm part of that democratic world, a lot of these people are not. and i really caution the democratic party from pooh-poohing the bernie sanders' supporters and acting like the cool kids table. >> i don't think it's
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pooh-poohing. >> it sounds like what she's saying is these bernie sanders supporters are so anti-hillary clinton that they'll just stay home rather than go out and support her or even take a protest vote against donald trump. they're just going to stay at home, and that's not good for her. >> well, it wouldn't be good for her, but i also don't think it's going to happen. i don't think you're pooh-poohing sanders' voters by suggesting that an overwhelming majority of democrats and independents are going to see it as in their self-interest to elect a progressive candidate as opposed to donald trump or ted cruz. in 2008, people said women are never going to come around to gro barack obama. the millions of older women who were for hillary clinton and the most stalwart supporters and guess what, they did. >> they were likely democratic voters. these are unlikely democratic voters. she had a base. she has african-americans that are likely democratic voters. >> they're actually no real evidence that we have an entirely new voting bloc.
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we have a resurgence of an obama coalition and that obama coalition is ultimately going to vote for the democrats. so i think that this is kind of the new sanders line that, oh, my god, we're going to threaten not to support the democratic nomin nominee. this is what the republicans have been doing. >> i understand that -- >> no, let me finish. i let you talk. so here's the other interesting thing that's coming out of the sanders camp today, which is all of a sudden they're saying, you know, the super delegates really are going to have to switch and vote for sanders and put him over the top because we think he's going to be a better candidate against the republican in the fall. so all of a sudden, the super delegates who they've been accusing of trying to hijack the election, now they're suggesting hijack the election for bernie sanders. so i think you see the sanders camp twisting themselves in knots today, trying to figure out how they can get to this math. >> but, bob, is that fair game,
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though? is that fair game for them to do that? >> well, sure. i mean this is a presidential election. i mean we all do games near the end of this process, but in the end, the best-selling halloween mask this october will be donald trump's face. you go onto a college campus and mention donald trump, and people flee for the wood work. remind me i said this. she will crush him. i mean she could crush him from jail. >> well, i'm not that confident but -- >> wow. >> i'm confident she'll win, but i think it's going to be close. and we do need a united party, and we do need independents, and we do need the people bernie sanders are bringing to the table. that's why i think it really behooves him as a leader to be really thoughtful over these next few weeks. yeah, clash on issues but stop questioning her ethics and her judgment. >> never a dull moment. i've got to go. >> campaign finance. >> never a dull moment, especially with bob beckel.
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the question voters on both sides are asking, is this any way to run a campaign? this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. clinton versus sanders. trump versus cruz and kasich. how long will it take for the front-runners to seal the deal and pivot to the general election? and if it all comes down to hillary clinton versus donald trump, how will bernie sanders supporters vote? could they actually switch to trump? let's get right now to cnn's jim acosta with the trump campaign in maryland. good evening to you, jim acosta. we saw a different, more diplomatic donald trump in last night's speech. but how about today? >> reporter: right. yeah, i don, i think we can toss that donald trump and the rhetoric we heard last night, which was much softer, i think that's out of the picture. donald trump went back to

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