tv Americas Choice 2016 Indiana Primary CNN May 3, 2016 4:00pm-5:01pm PDT
>> never too dull. this is a moment we're all looking forward to. the polls in all of indiana will close in the next few seconds. the eastern time zone, the central time zone at which point we will be able to make a projection. >> cnn projects that donald trump will win the republican presidential primary in the state of indiana. another very, very big win for donald trump. this is a huge win. he was effectively going one on one with ted cruz and manages to pull out a win in indiana. this is something ted cruz really needed almost make or break for ted cruz. donald trump is the winner. let's look at the actual votes coming in right now. we have a key race alert first. too early to call on the democratic side. hillary clinton and bernie sanders based on the informat n information, the actual votes tallied and exit poll information, we are not able to make a projection on the democratic side. too early to call. let's take a look at the actual
votes right now. first, on the republican side, we projected donald trump is the winner with 9% of the vote in. he's got a very solid lead. 54.2%. 32.8% for ted cruz. john kasich only 10%. he's up by more than 20,000 votes but based on the information we have, we have projected trump is the winner in the indiana republican primary. on the democratic side, 7% of the vote is in. hillary clinton maintains her lead. 53.3%. 46.7% for bernie sanders but it's too early to call. too early to call in the democratic side but trump wins the indiana republican presidential primary. that is the prediction. >> let's check in with jeffrey lord. i guess no surprise to you. what is this moving forward? is this it? >> this is it. ted cruz may last a little longer but i think this is it. the psychological momentum here is just going to be incredible. now, one of the things that just reverberates over and over and over again is in essence, the
only folks for him are the voters, the people. they keep doing this over and over and over again and yet you got establishment leaders saying i can't do that or this or i'm horrified and have to vote for hillary clinton and having serious nights just like this. he's over 50% they said he had this ceiling and that. i mean, the message has got to be delivered now. donald trump is going to be the republican presidential nominee, period. >> s.e. cupp? >> i've long accepted donald trump is going to be the nominee and i think he's going to clinch before the convention -- >> what stage of grief are you in? >> i'm in acceptance past bargaining. what can i give you to make this go away? this seemed clear to me over the past few primaries. these were decisive and winning
in places with the countries and voters i would never expect. i think that's inevitable. i will say it's not necessarily the death of the never trump movement. the never trump movement may have started as call to arms. i need to be on record i was not okay and don't support this and i'll take names of the people who have said that and, you know, to see if you cave other the course of the general election. >> never trump in never, never land. >> i don't think they are stopping trump but at the same time not insignificant number of republicans who think that this is not something republicans could support and be tied to and marry over the course of the general election so it's more a stand on principle than practic practically. >> let me ask you this and you got somebody at the top of your
ticket. you have to pay attention to who that person is. and maybe you have to run like you're running for sheriff -- >> if you're kelly -- >> it depends where you are. let's say republicans are concerned about saving the house of representatives. let's say. [ laughter ] >> which is really important. what do you do with trump at the top? >> i know what they are doing, folks like kelly and mark kirk -- >> they are senate, let's say house. >> i mean, yes, you run a very local election that has nothing to do with washington and what's goi on in the country but for those reasons, it's about the supreme court and so there are so many -- >> why wouldn't you try to embrace donald trump? if you're running in the house,
he's bringing in all those voters, why wouldn't you embrace hill? >> because this idea that donald trump the primary front runner will be embraced by general election voters is a fantasy. i know you think it's a new phenomenon -- >> can i argue with you? >> there will be a reckoning. >> i hate to agree with jeffrey lord on anything ever. going on the record, i hate to agree with him on anything. i'm on record for that. however, i think he'll surprise people, donald trump. i've been screaming at liberals for the past several days. they sound more like people in the republican party, this guy can't win. >> you don't want them to become complacent. >> obviously, we've become complacent taken too lightly we might get beat. donald trump has stuff that will
work in a general election. >> can we say this is a historic? this is a man that came from outside the party apparatus, took over the republican party -- >> i noticed that. >> inspired millions of people to come to the polls that don't normally participate and won in a big way tonight and last week. >> let's hear from david axle rod and michael smerconish. >> it's one thing to say we'll run the local races. if you run for the senate or congress, it's hard to d disappoint soesuate yourself. this is what republicans have to wrestle with. donald trump pulled off a miraculous thing here being on the doorstep of winning the nomination of the republican party, but he is still not proven that he's not a big liability with the rest of the election. >> so if you're ted cruz, though -- >> high negatives. >> do you think ted cruz stays in this or stays in a matter of pride for awhile or --
>> no, i think he'll stay in it. he said he'll stay in it until there a clenching. i think he's hoping that some, you know, he's a man of defaith, maybe hoping for some divine intervention here between now and the time the 1237 arrives. >> you can start appointing ambassadors and send them over seas. >> for a long time the idea was -- >> you won't be one of them. >> if someone or some small group of candidates could get donald trump in the race and clear the field they would be able to beat him and maybe at one time that would have been true because he was able to get this far with a solid one-third of the republican electret and then not much better but between the primary and what's happened here tonight, something has changed. right? he's broken the ceilings that kpi existed. it's a big defeat for ted cruz because this was a state in many respects taylor made. >> success breeds success. there is sort of a
vulnerability. >> for ted cruz not what he didn't do in indiana. it's what he didn't do in the previous six contests. he didn't win any of those contests and didn't look close at all or competitive so we see that in indiana. he was supposed to have a really good may and really do well but now, you know, they are thinking about south dakota and montana when before they were thinking about many more states. >> let's go back to jake. >> the very fact that cnn called this race at the time of poll closing shows donald trump is not just projected to win but projected to win by a very large margin, otherwise cnn wouldn't call it so soon after polls closing. let's bring in david to try to figure out how he did it because david, as you know, this is a state, indiana that should be fertile ground for ted cruz theoretically in terms of the number of percentage white evangelicals and rule that have proved very successful.
>> that's right, jake. you know the cruz campaign saw indiana as fertile ground and put everything they possibly had into it. take a look. just talking about white evangelicals. this is behind the trump victory tonight. 54% of the electret call themselves white e van gvangele. 48% to 45% to 5% for kasich. now trump has beaten cruz before with this group of white evangelicals but white evangelicals are supposed to be the bread and butter of the campaign this is supposed to catapult him ahead of trump that's not happening here. trump actually wins. then take a look about those very worried about the u.s. economy. jake, listen. this is 67% of the indiana primary electret. two-thirds of the republicans showing up to vote today are very worried about the economy. this is the story about trump and we may not tell it often enough. his message on the economy is
missing. 53% to cruz' 39% to kasich's 6% that is a huge victory among a huge swath of voters very worried about the economy and finally, the outsider thing. we've talked a lot about it. it is working for donald trump. dana was mentioning before even though cruz paints as an insider, republican primaries want the real deal with the outsider and that's the guy that's never done this before. 76%, 17% for cruz and 3% for kasich. that's 58% of the primary electret there wanted an outsider and they overwhelmingly went for donald trump. that is why you can just see that he's going to walk away with this state tonight. >> historic. david, thanks so much. dana, one of the things that is striking is the message the candidates have been talking about as they travel the state. they talk about a lot of things but generally speaking it seemed to me donald trump was talking a lot about trade deals.
talking a lot about manufacturing, talking about the carrier air conditioning plant. >> so huge. >> sending 1400 jobs from indiana to mexico. that was his message for this state that has seen in many ways wages declining and more people entering low-wage jobs for middle wage jobs and ted cruz, as far as i can tell was sending a message about donald trump and talking about transgender individuals and bathrooms. >> and talking about more tra c traditional conservative values in the state and people who were in the really that thrilled with donald trump. the problem that ted cruz ran into was a buzz saw of people who were thrilled and remember where we were not that long ago with a slew of candidates in the establishment was saying well, it's going to be better when
there's a one on one shot to try to get to donald trump. guess what we had in indiana tonight? >> one on one. >> one on one shot. john kasich stepped back. ted cruz had a mano -- >> cruz said that. >> exactly. >> didn't work. he said he needed someplace with traditional republicans. there are moderates but the bottom line is that ted cruz had a really bad week. he just kind of -- as much as he tried to throw the kitchen sink at donald trump, what he ended up doing is it took him into a spiral going down. >> right. >> and it just -- it wasn't working with the voters and the main reason, jake, is because the voters are just done with the washington people and ted
cruz is one of them and i heard that time and time again. i want to show one thing and i think we have this and -- >> because you were just in indiana. >> i was just in indiana. i came back this afternoon. ted cruz had a final rally. this is a rally put on by his super pac. this is not something his campaign. >> that's how he does a lot of -- >> his campaign did. the bottom line is we were talking about voters and i think this eloquent stralts it. this is his ultimate rally. there were a lot of people there that were very passionate about him but not enough. not enough. and i think that to me -- >> that looks like the crowd for debating -- >> yeah. there were -- he got an okay and it wasn't the kind you need to take it over. >> one point about conservatives.
and exit polls and a great analysis and political that talks about people. a lot of the voters in indiana including consecutive republicans are tired of that fight. they just went through the whole religious liberty about the bill in indiana and whether or not there would be protections for individuals and there was all sorts of boycotts of indiana and turning against the governor and a lot of exhausted, exhausted republicans. when ted cruz started talking about transgender individuals in bathrooms, that wasn't something that resinated with many. >> just to put a final point on that about people being tired of the fight. at that rally, i talked to a lot of people there to hear ted cruz who said you know what, i think i'm going to vote for donald trump because i don't want to fight anymore. i vote for ted cruz is a contested convention. they are done. >> interesting. wolf blitzer has a key race alert.
>> we certainly do. let's look in indiana the republican side we projected donald trump is the winner with 14% of the vote already counted. 54.1%. cruz 34 %. kasich 9.1%. on the democratic side. 12% of the voters 51.7% for hillary clinton. 48.3% for bernie sanders. what does donald trump's win mean tonight for the gop nomination? we're taking a closer look as we hate to hear directly from donald trump and ted cruz. they will have live reaction from tonight's results and standing by for remarks. the race with hillary clinton in indiana is stillplaying out right now. much more of the special coverage right after this. ♪
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welcome back. we're waiting to hear from donald trump. ted cruz, we're waiting to hear from him in indianapolis, indiana. very important to see the tone of what he has to say. he suffer as major set back tonight. bernie sanders a louisville, kentucky right now. we'll hear from him. let's get a key race alert and update you where things stand on the democratic side. hillary clinton maintains the
lead with 14% of the vote counted. he's ahead by less than 2,000 votes. 50.9% to bernie sanders 49.1%. very, very close. the actual votes on the democratic side. on the republican side, 17% of the vote is in. donald trump we projected he's the winner. he's got a 20-point lead over ted cruz with 17% of the vote and 54% to 34.6%. kasich down at 8.6%. a big, big win. huge win for donald trump in indiana right now. let's look forward and bring in mark preston the cnn politics executive editor. this delegate count very, very significant. what do we know? >> well, wolf, at this point we awarded 33 delegates for trump. early win. 30 because he won the state of indiana and we've awarded him three for winning one of the congressional districts. 24 delegates left on the board tonight to be one by mr. cruz. mr. trump or mr. kasich.
let's look at the overall total as we try to get to 1237. right now donald trump has 1,035 delegates right now to his name. ted cruz has 572 close for john kasich lagging far behind. as you can see, wolf, donald trump is getting closer and closer to the magical number of 1237 to avoid the contested convention in cleveland in july, wolf? >> thank you. he needs 202 more delegates. let go to john king that is very, very doable in the coming weeks. >> the big story and conversation in politics tonight. as mark noted. we're waiting for the rest of the congressional districts. it's possible donald trump could win them all. we have to wait and see results. ted cruz is leading only in two counties in the state of indiana a ways to go but it is possible donald trump could win them all or maybe lose three, six or nine if he loses one, two or three. do what does that mean? whether you like trump or don't,
trump is pulling away closer at the finish line. in this scenario, i'll go further than mark preston right now. donald trump 48. big win statewide and this gives ted cruz nine still there is no evidence at the moment he's going to get those. i'm being conservative to keep the numbers. we'll watch as this plays out. you see donald trump at 1005 you might add nine more a. pattern is developing. let's assume the pattern persists and start with senator cruz and say he continues to win nebraska next week and continues to win in the west. we'll stop there for now. is there -- anybody wants to argue donald trump on the last day to win new jersey? that's winner take all. this is technical because they are unbound. i'll come back to that. you come out here, there is a poll that has donald trump leading in oregon at 1107. let's say he wins new mexico. maybe john kasich has the last stand there and he's running out of money. in this case here, let's say ted
cruz -- let me come back here. there we go. let's give ted cruz washington state and come down to the final state, california under this scenario that gave donald trump 70% of the delegates. 1230 however pennsylvania last week a lot of those technically unbound dell guilegates said th would support donald trump. the establishment might make a run. again, maybe he doesn't get all 70% in california but if you play this out the way the map is going, he's going to get somewhere out here and it is not at all impossible to see hill get across the finish line. you can make -- given cruz performance, kasich performance over the last several weeks not hard to get. >> we can't over emphasize how big of a win for donald trump. >> choosing time. >> anderson, over to you. obviously, we'll hear from donald trump shortly and listen to senator ted cruz, as well, to see how he tries to paint his
loss tonight and what he says about moving forward and what sort of tone he has given what we have heard between two candidates and expecting to hear from bernie sanders shortly. again, you cannot under estimate what a big win this is for trump? >> it's stunning and historic. the first nominee who has not served in elective office since dwight d eisenhower. it's simply stunning. this is somebody that tapped into something the republican establishment overlooked, which was that their electret was angry. their electret felt betrayed. their electret felt they weren't being represented by the establishment in washington, and donald trump like him or hate him tapped into it and able to shape the race and win it and
looks like there isn't going to be a contested convention and ted cruz is going to have a difficult time convincing people there will be. >> david, have you seen a candidate so discounted and written off at every step of the way, he's not going to enter or release financials and get above the window of 30 e%, 35%. one thing after another. >> i absolutely have not and i was guilty like everyone else of thinking that he would be a summer fling and gone by the winter and the fact is he tapped into his that is very, very strong among americans that feel like they are been disadvantaged in the economy and distaned by the establishment. donald trump has a phenomenal sense of his audience -- >> he does have antenna-like -- >> not just in the way he makes his appeals to voters but also
in the way he charact akcti cha opponents. he has a great sense of drama and a great sense of the crowd and he obviously understands this medium and the first twitter candidate for president. he used social media to dominate the debate. he's proven himself to be very resourceful and very skilled and we'll see how far that takes him now but taking him well beyond anywhere anyone anticipated he would go. >> yeah, and we know a party nomination is hard. people that run for president, plot their careers for years and years and years. a part of it is skill. and part of it is luck and
donald trump he had both. he's able to read the electret all from new york essentially and listening to talk radio to a certain ex end ttent and fox ne. it's incredible what he's able to do. >> i should point out how close the vote is. look at the vote on the democratic side here. you got hillary clinton 50.5%. bernie sanders 49.5%, just i think 17% of the vote in bernie sanders is speaking now in louisville, let's just listen. >> a lot happened in the last year. as of today we won 17 primaries and caucuses.
we have received some 9 million votes. when we started this campaign we were 60 points behind secretary clinton in national polls. now a few of the polls actually have us ahead or a few points out and i'll tell you what is extremely exciting for me. that is in primary after primary, caucus after caucus, we end up winning the vote of people 45 years of age or younger. [ cheers ] >> and that is important because it tells me that the ideas that we are fighting for are the ideas of the future of america --
[ cheers ] and future of the democratic party. i am running for president because we live in the wealthiest nation in the history of the world. most americans the economy at the top 1%. [ cheers ] >> the issue of wealth is a great moral issue of our time economic issue of our time. it is the great political issue of our time and together we will
address that issue. let us be very clear in america today the top 1% now owns as the bottom 90%. the top 20 people in the bottom 150 million americans in the population. we've got one family, the walton family of walmart. >> boo! >> they are worth $149 billion more wealth than the bottom 40% of the american people.
and when you talk about a rigged economy, that is exactly what walmart and the walton family are all about. they pay their workers' wages that are so low that the american taxpayer has to pay for the food stamps and the medicaid that -- [ laughter ] >> the american taxpayer is paying for the food stamps and medicaid will walmart employees need because the wages are too low. it's nuts in my mind when the middle class in this country has to subsidize the employees of the wealthiest family in this
country. but it is not just wealth. it is income. in america today, we have millions of people working longer hours for lower wages. we have families today where mom is working 40 hours, dad is working 40 hours, the kids are working and they are still not earning enough money to provide for their family. and that is why together we are going to create an economy that works for all of us, not just the 1%. [ cheers ]
>> together we are going to end the absurdity of having a national minimum wage of $7.25 an hour. together we are going to create a minimum wage which is a living wage $15 an hour. it is not a radical idea to say that in america, in kentucky, in vermont if you work 40 hours a week, you should not be living in poverty. [ cheers ] >> and when we talk about wages, we are going to end the embarrassment of women making 79 cents on the dollar to pay.
[ cheers ] >> i know that every man here is going to stand with the women in the fight for pay equity. in america today our infrastructu infrastructure, our water systems, i was in flint, michigan a couple months ago and what i saw in flint was something that i will never forget and that is children being poisoned by excessive lead in their water. this should not be happening in this country in the year 2016. but it is not just flint that
has problems with its water. hundreds of communities have similar problems but it's not just water. it's our roads and bridges and airports and our rail system and our levees and our dams. this is america our infrastructure should not be crumbling. and that is why together we are going to invest in rebuilding our infrastructure and when we do that, we're going to create 13 million descent paying jobs. and when we talk about the needs of the american people, all of us understand that we live in a
competitive global economy and that means that we need the best educated work force in the world. [ cheers ] there is something a little bit crazy when young people go to college, get the best education they can and then they end up 30, 50, $70,000 in debt. [ cheers ] >> anybody here with student debt? [ cheers ] >> well, in my view, we should be encouraging people to get an education, not punishing people for getting an education. [ cheers ] >> and that is why we're going
to do two things. number one, number one in the world today it is no longer good enough to talk about public education being first grade through 12th grade. truth is that a changing economy and changing technology requires people to get more education. 50 years ago if you had a high school degree, you were doing pretty well. you could go out, get a job, make it into the middle class. that is not the case today. today in my view when we talk about public education, we must be talking about making public colleges and universities tuition free. >> senator bernie sanders making his campaign major points. the points that brought him this
far an impressive point, i should say. in indiana right now with 22% of the vote in, bernie sanders is taking a very, very slight lead over hillary clinton up by 206 votes. look how close it is in indiana right now. 50.1% of the vote. hillary clinton 49.9%. 206 votes. bernie sanders for the first time taking the lead in the actual vote tally in indiana right now. you see on the republican side donald trump the big winner. let's go to john king and take a closer look at what is going on right now. john, bernie sanders is making it very interesting in indiana right now. got a very, very slight lead over hillary clinton. >> just mentioned 49.9, 22% of the vote in. a little flash back here. this is not unusual for indiana democrats. remember how close it was in 2008? 5149. look in 2016 right in the same ballpark as we count the votes. what are you looking for? if you're the clinton campaign and stays this close, you're
hopeful that gary, indiana can get you to the finish line. notoriously late, lake county, indiana, late count, a lot of african americans. hillary clinton is hoping that gives her numbers to help her out. if you look at the map filling in. you have senator sanders winning rule places as this plays out. i want to check and get down to indianapolis here and marian county to see the margin. very close. for senator sanders, this is what you want to do. this is your urban area. you expect hillary clinton to win because of the african american base and bernie sanders to keep it that close at 18% so we don't know this is definitive f. you're bernie sanders, you can keep this county, win it or close that helps you elsewhere in the state because this is where secretary clinton needs to run it up big and that's why senator obama kept it close when you look in here before. 67% for senator obama in this area back in 2008. the early numbers encouraging senator sanders tonight. we'll have to wait for the votes
up here, wolf, as it fills in now a tug-of-war but seems to be splitting at moment and we'll see the vote. 29% here. look how close. 50, 49 in this country. this is all counted senator sanders won with a margin there. let's move up here. secretary clinton. it's skipping around depending where we are. there's not a pattern. she seems to be doing better close to the ohio border and he seems to be doing better more to the west. in clinton county, indiana senator sanders up 56%. >> we're getting ready to hear from donald trump the big winner in indiana tonight. also, ted cruz vry anxious to hear what he has to say. we'll take a quick break. much more special coverage right after this.
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welcome back. we're waiting to hear back from donald trump in the state of indiana and waiting to hear from td cruz. devastating loss for him in indiana. he really wanted to do his best to do something in indiana that is not happening for him right now. he's going to be speaking shortly in indianapolis, indiana. we'll have coverage, obviously, of donald trump and ted cruz.
we'll have to wait and see what they precisely say. big night for donald trump. very big night. let's take a look at the actual votes that are coming in in the key race alert right now. let's start on the democratic side. bernie sanders taking a slight lead over hillary clinton with 27% of the vote in. he's up by more than 1800 votes. bernie sanders now has 50.5% to hillary clinton's 49.5%. bernie sanders taking a lead slight lead over hillary clinton. look how close it is on the democratic side of the republican side, not close at all with 34% of the vote actually counted. donald trump maintains his lead. 53.4%. 35.5% for ted cruz. kasich at 8.4%. let's go over to john king at the magic wall. 57 delegates at steak in indiana. he got 30 by winning the state, donald trump. got three more winning one congressional district. is it possible donald trump will win all 57 delegates tonight and ted cruz will win zero? >> yes. in a word yes.
we're not there yet. we have to count the votes. look how the map is filling in. statewide 30 delegates. that's done. those are donald trump's. then you look at the eight congressional districts. forgive me. takes a minute to stretch it out. if you put this over lay over the state, look at the green lines for the congressional districts. ted cruz is leading in two counties in the entire state. if you look at the districts, in every congressional district. let me bring that down a bit and make it neater. donald trump is leading with 34% of the vote counted. this could change. if the map continues to fill in like this, donald trump poised to win 57 delegates, maybe 54 but at the moment looking to win all 57. he's poised and has position to do that in the state that ted cruz himself said was the fire wall. if the state ted cruz himself said conservatives were standing on the edge of the cliff, you're pushed. if this continues to fill in, donald trump getting 50 or more, maybe all 57 of the delegates out of indiana tonight you'd
have to say it is a humiliating loss for senator cruz and a message from donald trump because if you pull this back out and look, number one, look at this part of the country with the exception of john kasich's ohio. donald trump running it up including across the e vvangelil south, senator cruz has done well in the west but smaller delegate holes out here. the bottom line is with indiana, if trump gets 57, we haven't allocated all, he could end the night past 1050 and maybe close to 1060. the magic number is 1237. he could end 2-1 over ted cruz, a big, if he wins at the scope we thihink he's going to win rit now, he would need 40% of the remaining delegates after tonight. >> let's say he gets all 57 delegates, donald trump, cruz winds up with no delegates in the state of indiana. does cruz have a realistic chance to prevent donald trump from getting to that magic number 1,237 on the first round at the republican convention? >> does he have a chance, yes.
realistic is a tough word to define. the way to beat donald trump, yo u ha -- you have to beat him on election day. trump is winning in indiana and huge on a conservative state to win some delegates. how could he stop him? he would have to stop him here. i'd have to switch maps. realistic would mean ted cruz has to win california. the polls on average show donald trump up 15, 16 points in california. if donald trump keeps winning, what is it? you covered politics a long time. donald trump keeps winning, why is california going to switch from donald trump being double digits ahead to suddenly ted cruz? if the republican establishment, if the anti trump forces make huge invest thes saying you are it, california, if cruz would win, california sure but even if that happens, you can see trump getting to 1215, 1220. >> you can listen to donald trump and ted cruz. they are getting ready to address supporters.
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tower in new york. a big win for him tonight in indiana. we're waiting to hear from ted cruz. what are we going to hear from ted cruz? he's getting ready to speak in indianapolis. let's look at where things stand. on the democratic side bernie sanders building up a slight lead over hillary clinton. he's at 50.9% and 49.1% for hillary clinton. bernie sanders building up a slight lead over hillary clinton right now. on the republican side 37% of the vote is in. he's over 50%. he's been over 50% all night as the votes have been counted. he's got 53.5% and 35.6% for ted cruz and john kasich 8.2%. let's go back to jake and dana. we're waiting to hear from cruz first an then trump. >> right right.
really let's just talk about this. how devastating a loss this is for ted cruz. indiana is a state that the demo graphics were in his favor and in terms of ad money spent the cruz campaign spent 2 point million dollars. the anti-trump forces spent $2.6 million and donald trump $900,000. it's a devastating loss. where does ted cruz go from here. >> that's the discussion going on around water coolers, over beers, probably a lot more alcohol tonight among republicans especially here in washington trying to figure that out and clearly going on inside ted cruz's suite right now. going into tonight as the polls were getting ready to close, cruz sources who i spoke with insisted that even the worst case scenario for him tonight, which is losing all 57 delegates
which might possibly happen -- >> not only the state, but winning every congressional district. >> that they still believe he has a path to stopping donald trump. >> preventing him from getting 1,237. >> exactly. that was still a path. however it's one thing to prepare for that kind of in theory. it's another thing to see it in black and white. it's another thing for at 7:00 on the dot eastern all of us to call the race pretty big for donald trump. >> this is like -- he's like 0 for 7 in the last races. >> exactly. you put so much money and resources and blood, sweat and tears. he said i left everything on the field. he was talking in finalistic terms today. but donald trump earlier was
talking about messages being sent. there was a message that was sent as polls were closing and i'm pulling it up on my phone now from one of the main never trump super pac they're not allowed to talk to the campaigns, but as soon as they came out they put out a statement saying we're not done. we want to keep fighting, which is ted cruz we're here. >> they've had trouble raising money all the voices in the party, all the contributors who one would think might give money to the stop trump movement or forces, whatever you want to call them, a lot of that money hasn't come whether it's from paul singer or the koch broth s brothers, they haven't ponied up. >> i think that to your point it's not just about the money. it's about the desire. i want to go back to cruz for
one other point which is covered him since he's been in the senate and if there is any donald trump opponent who really truly has the stomach to take the hits that he would have to take through the next month to get to the last primary day of june 7th knowing it's a very uphill climb just to stop donald trump from getting the delegates, it is ted cruz. he has been the subject of ridicule since he walked in the door of washington and he can do it. the question is whether he has the stomach to do this now. >> as you know when a candidate enters a race, they have to sit down and have a conversation with their wife or husband and their children and their family, they have to talk about how difficult it's going to be, time away from home, seeing daddy or mommy attacked, ted cruz's family has been through a lot. there was that cartoon in "the washington post," there were the
attacks on heidi and today the attack on cruz's father by trump. >> by the way we should say is false. >> it's ridiculous. >> right. >> so it's not only about him. he has to figure out does he want to put his family through this too. >> that cuts both ways. when we saw ted cruz come out today in his press conference and go ban nanas on donald trump in a way he has never done before, that was him being human. that could say enough of this, or also could make him more dug in to say you're going to come after my family and i have to go godfather on this, including my father, i am just going to stay in this and make it even more difficult for you. >> we'll see. only ted cruz knows what he's going to do right now. let's me go to mark preston
right now who will bring us an update on the delegate count. cnn awarding 33 of the delegates so far of indiana's 50 something to donald trump. what else have you got for us. >> the news keeps on getting bert for donald trump. he is now up to 42 delegates at this point. 42 of the 57 that are up for grabs tonight, the night looks very good for donald trump. let's break it down as he tries to get to this path between bound and unbound numbers. donald trump has 1,044 delegates, 991 of them are bound to him on the first ballot -- 999 are bound to him on the first bal on the, 45 are unbound. these are delegates that came out of the state of pennsylvania but are still pledging their support to donald trump. he's getting closer and closer it that magical number of 1,237. ted cruz remains at 572
delegates and john kasich lagging way far behind with 156 delegates. >> mark preston, thanks so much. we should point out that john kasich is still fourth in a three man race with his delegate counts. he still trails marco rubio who dropped out of the race several weeks ago. there you have it, cnn is awarding or projecting the awarding of 42 out of the 57 delegates that will be won in indiana this evening, 42 of them as of right now going to donald trump. this is a sweep. it's huge. >> there's no other way to put it. it's been said already for the past hour a lot of different ways, but we have to underscore this is something that donald trump can be incredibly proud of and more importantly the voters who are in great washington can be proud of. >> let's go to anderson. >> one of the things we heard from ted cruz when talking to dana bash yesterday is ted cruz was