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that they feel and the issues that senator sanders has raised during the campaign. >> jeff weaver with the sanders campaign. thanks very much. that's it for me. wolf will be back at 5:00 eastern on "the situation room" with the interview with donald trump. for our international viewers, "amanpour" is next and the viewers next here in north america, anderson cooper's live interview with hillary clinton is coming right up. jim skwhuto, thank you so much, my friend. great to be with you on this wednesday. i'm brooke baldwin. are you walking cnn, and, man, do we have a lot coming your way over the next two hours. breaking developments here, first of all in, a matter of minutes we will be hearing from former secretary of state hillary clinton. she will be giving anderson cooper an exclusive interview live here on cnn. it is her first one-on-one since she lost the indiana primary and as we wait for the democratic front-runner to speak we now know for the first time with certainty who she would face
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come november for the general election should she ultimately lock up her party's nomination. donald trump, and that is not only because he leads the republican delegate count or because he crushed his competition in indiana last night. we know for a fact it will be mr. trump because he is the only republican left. ted cruz suspended his campaign after his indiana loss and sources now say john kasich will do the same in an announcement scheduled for a little later today. so let's parse all of this out before we take hillary clinton live. let me bring in our political guru, mr. david chalion, our cnn political director and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash, and we have m.j. lee here in new york with breaking details first and foremost on the ohio governor. m.j., what do we know about governor kasich? >> well, john kasich, it sounds like, is out of the ration, and, remember, brooke, he has really had no path forward for a long time. this is not a sudden development, not even surprise,
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and i think really the nail is the coffin is when last night ted cruz in a surprise announcement to many people decided that he was getting out, even though his trump has not reached 1,237 delegates, and i think there's also no clearer sign that the gop primary season was really over than reince priebus tweeting last night, look, donald trump is the presumptive nominee and the party needs to now move forward and take on hillary clinton. >> even though the kasich folks said reince priebus, we're not out just yet and a lot has changed over the course of 12 hours. >> the strategy all along is he wanted to take this to a contested convention. i think last night it became very clear with trump's big win in indiana that he probably will get to 1,237 delegates, and it's also important to keep in mind it became increasingly clear over the last couple of weeks that there's really no appetite among republican voters to take this to a contested convention. many people clearly believe whoever goes into the convention with the most number of
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delegates should become the nominee so even if trump had come short 50 to 100 delegates or what say you, i think the appetite just would not have been there for the fight to take place. >> what a night for all camps involved, dana, and david. let me just pose this next one to you. i know we'll push forward and look, of course, ahead. once we hear from hillary clinton and we'll hear from donald trump as well. wolf blitzer sat down with him at trump tower earlier today and my question, just for a second, can we talk about ted cruz and my question is, dana, you know, behind the scenes what do you think ultimate lire was it for them to say enough is enough? was it, you know, the fact that he got trounced in the acela primary, you know? what was that moment, do you think, for them to -- to call it quits? >> you know, the acela primary which, of course, was last week, was an area demographically, geographically where he could say, you know, that's not my people.
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indiana he couldn't say that. he put everything in indiana. i was with him there on monday. he gave it everything he got. he had everything set up the way that he wanted it to be so he really didn't have frankly any excuse but to beat donald trump if he's going to beat him anywhere. he had a one-on-one race with him. it was a place where there's maybe more moderate than other midwestern states, but he had plenty of conservative electoral voters to mine, and he didn't win, and he didn't win in a big, big way, and, so, frankly, as somebody who has spent a lot of time with ted cruz, i was a little bit surprised that he did it so quickly. >> you were surprised, because of the delegate ground game, the out-maneuvering, all of that. >> exactly. more than that, mine was almost
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a little bit more about his personality and his sort of psychological ability to retain and take pain because i've watched him for so many years be ridiculed in the senate for doing what he thought was right morally and political and philosophically, you know. even a lot of his colleagues said he was just a dem gosh, and he was really ostracized for doing that, and so he has been able to deflect a lot of that kind of stuff and sustain really an uphill battle for what he called the good of the party and the will. people and conservatism, so i -- i was surprised that he did it so quickly, but it was a big loss, and this is not like him going to washington where he's just kind of doing his thing in the senate. it was all in. his wife was there. his kids were on the trail. they left school. they were being tutored on the road. >> yeah. >> i mean, this was a family
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affair and it was just clearly enough. >> brooke, can i extend that metaphor for a second. >> please, please. >> it might be that ted cruz has an incredibly high political pain threshold, but you actually need to be alive politically in order to deal with pain, and paul manafort, donald trump's adviser i thought had the best quote. you were asking about the acela primary in indiana, and i think let's use paul manafort's words because i think they proved accurate. the acela primary was the nail in the coffin. indiana was when ted cruz realized he was in the coffin, and that is what happened with indiana. >> david, let me stay with you, and, again, just reminding our viewers we will take secretary hillary clinton speaking one-on-one with anderson cooper. this is the first after, yes, she lost indiana, but she is doing quite well. they are obviously hoping to clinch in the next month or so, and she now knows essentially who she will be running against come the general election. david to you just in terms of
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context before we take a break. here we are, donald trump. i don't know. watching him last night, did it almost seem to you he was surprised? it was very trump-esque quoting the polls. no major pontificating on the country or the campaign. ragtag group of, you know, analysts that he's been running with for a number of months. what did you make of that moment? >> well, i don't think he was necessarily anticipating sort of the formality of the moment of becoming the quote, unquote presumptive nominee. that's not the kind of speech he wanted to give. he wanted to stick to what's been working for him and he was clearly holding back in some reserved way to not lash out at opponents. that was the biggest difference than we've seen other nights, but clearly he wanted to tick through the things that have been working for him, the poll numbers, the message. i will tell you though, brooke, what i heard last night more than anything else in that speech from donald trump was the message he is going to take to hillary clinton on the economy.
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he hit it over and over again. our brand new cnn/orc poll shows him beating her on the economy. it's the only issue of all the issues tested where he's ahead and guess what, that's the most important issue to voters, so that was my big takeaway from his speech last night. if hillary clinton has been running an economic message for the primary season dealing with bernie sanders on her left, how she's going to adjust to combat donald trump on his economic populism for the general election audience i think is one of the key things to watch. >> it's a great question and perhaps will be one tossed at her by anderson minutes from now. again, just a reminder to all of you tuning in. it's a huge hour for us here on cnn. moments from now, democratic front-runner hillary clinton in her first one-on-one interview since donald trump became the presumptive nominee. that will happen next. we'll take it live, and we'll have a huge conversation out of it. keep it right here. you're watching cnn's specks live coverage.
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welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. right now democratic front-runner hillary clinton
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with her very first one-on-one interview since donald trump became the presumptive nominee. we turn to my colleague anderson cooper standing by live in chappaqua, new york. anderson, the floor is yours. >> thanks very much. secretary clinton, thanks very much for joining us. >> good to talk to you. >> take us back to last night, the moment ted cruz dropped out and you realized who the nominee in the republican party was going to be. >> well, it seemed pretty clear for some time how it was going to turn out, but i also know what it's like to keep fighting to the end because i did that in 2008, and something can always happen, but it -- it didn't surprise me at all that it was over last night. >> assuming you get the democratic nomination. >> right. >> are you ready for donald trump? i mean, he's already got an unflattering nickname for you? he's unlike any other candidate probably certainly you've ever run against, anybody people have seen in a long time. >> anderson, i've seen the presidency up close from two different perspectives, and i
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think i know what it takes, and i don't think we can take a risk on a loose cannon like donald trump running our country. you know, donald trump has said it's okay for other countries to get nuclear weapons. i think that's just downright dangerous. he has said wages are too high. i think we need to have a raise for the american people, raise the minimum wage, get wages back going up. i think when he says women should be punished for having abortions, that is, you know, just beyond anything that i can imagine, i think most women can imagine. >> he did walk that back. >> well, he's a loose cannon. he's somebody who has said so many things, and i'm sure he'll be scrambling and his advisers will be scrambling, but he's already said all of these things. he says climate change is a chinese hoax, and i think it's real. we've got to pull the world together to deal with it. you can do down a long list some of which he's tried to bob and weave a bit. i think it's a risk.
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he is a loose cannon and loose cannons tend to misfire. >> if he's a loose cannon he's certainly willing to say things against a race against opponents. we've seen this already that a lot of candidates were not prepared for on the gop side. are you ready for that? >> well, i've sort of been in the arena for 25 years, and i think nearly everything that can be thrown at somebody in politics and public life has come my way. >> you feel like you know how to run against him? >> oh, absolutely. i'm not running against him. i'm running my own campaign. i'm running to become president, to really deal with the economy, get it working again, take on all the barriers that stand in the way of people of getting ahead. i have a very clear mission in this campaign. >> but there were a lot of folks on the gop side who said that they would be running on the issues as well, and that wasn't -- they weren't able to against donald trump. >> well, maybe they just didn't have the experience. maybe they just didn't want to take him on on issues because they actually agreed with him.
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everybody in that republican primary didn't want to raise the minimum wage, don't believe equal pay is a problem, don't want to talk about climate change. a lot of the same views, so they were really trapped. they couldn't run a campaign on the issues that mattered to america, and i can, and i will. >> he talked about the economy last night and hitting an economic message that clearly he's going to echo going forward. he talked about your husband signing nafta, what he called perhaps in the history of the world the single worst trade deal ever done, and according to the latest cnn polling out just today by 50% to 45% margin voters said trump would do a better job handling the economy than you would. he's got an economic populist message which is appealing to people. >> well, we'll have to go back and talk about the history. 23 million new jobs in the 1990s. incomes went up for everybody. if he wants to argue against peace and prosperity, he can absolutely do his best to make that case. i'm going to talk though about what we're going to do in the
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future, and i think that there are some lessons we can learn. the economy does better when we have a democrat in the white house. we saw the stark difference between my husband's presidency and george w. bush who went back to trickle down economics which is also what donald trump is advocating, and then we saw barack obama have to rescue the economy from the failed economic policies of the republicans, so i'm more than happy to take that issue on, and i think that there is not only a lot of evidence on our side and certainly history on our side over the last 25 years, but any specifics that he has put out. he makes these grand statements and grand accusations. at some point when you're running for president you actually have to put a little meat on the bones. you've got to tell people what it is you're going to do and how he's going do it. >> does run a different kind of campaign than anyone else certainly on the gop side. he makes himself more available to reporters, calls in. is that something you'll do more
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of? >> he did it and it worked for him hand i think reporters now have a chance to ask some tougher questions. it's not enough to call in and give somebody a platform. it's now the time to make the tough decisions, and you've got to the ask him, okay, so what exactly would you replace x, y and z with? if you're against trade agreements how is that going to work? i'm against bad trade agreements. i'm for, you know, fair and free trade. i voted against some of the trade agreements that came before me when i was actually a senator, so let's get to the specifics. if you think wages are too high, how do you look americans in the eye and say hey, i know you haven't had a raise for 15 years, but i don't think you deserve one. if you're going to have a budget that slashes taxes on the wealthy and throws our economy and our federal budget into the worst downward spiral of debt, tell us how that's going to work. i think it's time to get serious. the man is the presumptive nominee, and, you know, being a loose cannon doesn't in any way
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protect him i hope from being asked the hard questions that he should have been asked during the whole primary process. >> wolf blitzer asked him today about how he's going to be running against you and whether he's going to sort of change his tone and be more presidential. i want to play that exchange with wolf. >> mm-hmm. >> there was a little talk about will he be presidential? we had 17 people, all smart. one by one, week after week, boom, boom, boom, gone, gone, gone. i don't maybe want to change so much and do i want to use that same strategy for trade deals and i want to use that same -- but i feel like i'm a presidential person. >> is the same strategy that you used to get rid of the other republican candidates you want to use now against hillary clinton? >> i would say yes, and, again, a lot is going to depend on how they treat me. if they treat me in a certain level, i'm not looking to do more. you've seen i'm a counterpuncher more than anything else. i don't really like hitting people first because i don't know how -- i guess -- i've always felt that i'm better, like certain boxers, they are better counterpunchers.
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>> he says he's a counterpuncher. how -- how scorched earth is this race going to be? >> you know, he's the one that's making that decision, anderson. not me. he's the run who has run the campaign insulting people, demeaning women, degrading people with disabilities, talking about keeping muslims out of the country. he's the one who has been running that kind of very negative aggressive bullying campaign. he could choose to run whatever campaign he wants to run. i'm going to keep staying on the campaign i'm running. i have more than 3 million votes over senator sanders and i have 1 million votes over trump. i'm going to keep telling people what i will do as president and i'm going to keep being specific because i think people want to know what you're going to do and they can hold you accountable that way. >> elizabeth warren said donald trump has built his campaign on racism, xenophobia and sexism.
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? >> i think elizabeth warren is very smart. >> do you think he's a racist? >> i'm going to let people judge for themselves, but i have the highest regard for senator warren. >> last night trump touched on the coal situation in west virginia saying he'll get the miners back to work. obviously it was a reference to something you said back in march. you said we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, a statement that you apologized for recently down in west virginia saying it was totally out of context. clearly trump is going to say that you will say anything to any audience just to placate any audience that you happen to be in front of? >> that's just a broad misrepresentation. i've been very clear. we've got to make a transition to clean renewable energy. i've also been very clear for this whole campaign that we can't do it in a way that totally leaves behind people who dug out the coal to turn on the lights and to power our factories.
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100,000 coal miners in this country lost their lives in the 20th century, so i want people to pay attention to what we as a nation need to do to support them, but the market is making this decision. the market has driven down the cost of coal, so you have companies going bankrupt, so what i'm offering is a $30 billion plan to really revitalize coal country, to provide support for coal miners and their families, and i think that is the least the country owes these brave people. >> there are democrats who are just worried about you against trump, that you're not ready for whatever he may throw at you, that he's -- he's brought up a lot of stuff about a lot of people that nobody could have predicted. quoting from the "national enquirer" just yesterday. he's made references to your marriage, to your husband. are you --
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>> well, he's not the first one, anderson. i just can't -- i can't say this often enough. if he wants to go back to the playbook of the 1990s, if he wants to follow in the foot steps of those who have tried to knock me down and take me out of the political arena, i'm more than happy to have him do that. >> you're ready for that. >> oh, please. i mean, look, this -- this is -- this is to me a classic case of a blustering, bullying guy who -- who has knocked out of the way all of the republicans because they were just dumbfounded. they didn't know how to deal with him and they couldn't take him on on the issues and they basically agreed with him and they didn't know how to count punc counterpunch him? >> do you think they waited too long? >> i don't know. i'm going to run a campaign to talk about what we'll do in the future. i invite a lot of republicans and independents i've been
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seeing on the campaign trail and reaching out to me, i invite them to join with democrats. let's get on the american team. let's get off the red or the blue team. let's get on the american team. we've got some great opportunities ahead of us. i -- i happen to believe that america's best years can still be ahead of us. i have that confidence. i am optimistic, but it doesn't happen just by wishing for it or being a demagogue about it. it happens by rolling up our sleeves and getting to work in order to seize it. >> did trump -- when you were a senator, did trump ever engage you on substance? did he -- you know, he says he gave money for access? did he ever ask you for favors? >> not that i recall, no. i don't recall that. i mean, he has played all sides of the political arena. you know, that's his choice, and he can explain it, however he chooses, and i've been very consistent about where i stand going back to when i started working as a lawyer for the children's fund. i did everything i can to even the odds against people who feel that the odds are stacked against them.
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i'm going to really give it my all to give every person, particularly every child in this country, the chance to live up to her or her god given potential. >> just finally, senator sanders is obviously taking issue with people calling you the presumptive nominee on the democratic side. what do you say to his supporters? should you be considered the presumptive nominee at this point? >> i'm not calling myself that. i know there's still some contests ahead hand i respect senator sanders and whatever choices he makes. i have a lot of empathy about this, anderson. you know, i ran till the very end in 2008. >> you've been there. >> and i won 9 out of the last 12 contests. people forget that. i won indiana. i won west virginia. i won a lot of states, but i couldn't close the gap in pledged delegates, and the gap between me and senator sanders is far wider than it was between me and senator obama. >> so having been in his shoes, what do you say to him? >> well, i know what he said
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last week which he really welcomed saying he'll do everything he will do to prevent donald trump from being president of the united states. he'll work search days a week. i'll count on that. i want to unify the party and i'll be reaching out to his supporters who have far more in common with me and my supporters than they do with donald trump and his campaign. >> and i know i said -- one more question. donald trump has talked about what he would look for in as a vice president, someone with congressional experience, to reach out to congress. obviously i'm not asking you who you would pick, but what qualities would you look for? is there something that you would like to kind of -- a space you would like to fill in? >> well, i think the most important quality is that this person could become president literally on a moment's notice. there is no more important quality than, that and i intend to, you know, take that very seriously and find the person that i would have the confidence in to be a good partner with me but most importantly to be a really good president for
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america. >> secretary clinton, thank you very much. >> thanks, anderson. >> brooke, let's go back to you. >> anderson and secretary clinton, thank you both so, so much. lots to parse through here. let me bring in my panel, chief national correspondent and host of "inside politics john king and chief political correspondent gloria borger, former obama adviser and commentator van jones and republican strategies doug high and former communications director with the republican national committee. welcome to all of you. off the top i counted four references to trump being a loose cannon. that was my first note. i don't know about the four of you. let's go round robin. gloria borger, thoughts? >> two words, loose cannon. >> yes. >> clearly somebody they are going to portray as risky, and we saw that last night when john podesta, her campaign chairman, used -- use the -- used the phrase he's too much of a risk. i think we see the shape of the campaign taking place. not only loose cannon, not only
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risky, but put meat on the bones of his policy proposals, and i think you're going to -- you're going to -- and she's also challenged reporters to ask him tougher questions if he's going to be so available to us, so she's kind of laid it all out there for anderson. >> john king, you're next. what jumped out at you? >> i think it was interesting. anderson put on the table one of the deficits for hillary clinton in our new pot. most of the poll is good news for hillary clinton. she starts, if you think this is a clinton/trump, she starts with an advantage and she starts with a lead, but she -- >> the economy. >> issue number one, the economy, and anderson put that on the table and it was interesting how she did it. donald trump in you go back to the larry king files saying the economy does better than democrats and hillary clinton drove right up the road saying i'll take the 23 million jobs under my husband bill clinton and the economic recovery under barack obama and george w. bush ruined the economy and that's where donald trump is. she tried to answer on trade.
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trade has been one of bernie sanders' big issues and one of donald trump's big issues and hillary clinton frankly has some issues with her own husband's legacy on that issue, but it was very clear. some people don't like her laugh, but she laughed a couple of times on purpose to try to say economic debate, bring it on. personal debate about bill clinton, bring it on. debate about me and the '90s, bring it on, trying to show that she's, a, pretty clear, thought for a while against a race against donald trump and trying to convince republicans and independents and especially democrats she's ready for it. >> mr. jones, to you? >> you know, what struck me was this was a person who is making a particular bet on the character of the american people. she -- listen, i am going to stay substantive. i am not going to get into the shenanigans and at some point you've got to answer these questions. you've got to be more serious. there's no actual evidence that donald trump will have to answer any serious questions. people do ask him hard questions. he's just a master at answering the way he wants to.
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this is a very interesting i think position that she is taking. she thinks that when it comes down to it, at the end of the day, when all the hype is over and all the sound bites and all the big hands and little hands, that people are going to go into that booth and make a decision based on who you can trust to be a steady hand, not a loose cannon, but a steady hand hand who has real answers and not just a diagnosis of the problem. listen, if she's right, she will win in a landslide and if she's wrong and americans are angry and fed up, she's not even trying to channel in that direction and is making a particular bet so far in. >> doug, what did you think? >> one thing she said that struck me, he's already said these things, so as donald trump tries to pivot to a general election strategy and possibly appear more presidential which he's tried to do and had difficulty doing, even if successful there's a whole lot of material for the democrats and the hillary machine to use against trump and demonstrate that he is a loose cannon and
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all the things that we've seen in the republican primary replayed specifically to minority voters with everything that he said, for instance, or women voters, with everything that he's said about women. there's a lot of material there. she made it clear that they will use it. >> brooke, if you're like going to do a word cloud about the words that she -- that she used, you'd have to also in addition to loose cannon and risk, you'd have to add in words that clearly geared towards women voters, words that really matter to women, words like demeaning, degrading and bullying. those are kind of three words that women hear and listen to and think really long and hard about, and that was not, you know, just by happenstance either. >> here's where i'm curious, and, john, to you, mr. map man, talked about all the states and the rustbelt looking ahead, but, you know, at this point now that we know essentially kasich and
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cruz are out and it's trump as the presumptive nominee, how -- how challenging is it on secretary clinton's side to still know, and she pointed out, listen, she fought the good fight back in '08 and she's recognizing with her wording not to say i'll be the presumptive nominee hon my side, but how much of a challenge is that that she can't 1100% pivot just yet? >> both a challenge and an opportunity. a challenge that she still has to compete for democratic votes, a challenge that like last night she could be embarrassed. funny she understood that math. remember how she won so many of the contests in the end in 2008. >> yes. >> it's embarrassing to lose a state like indiana. you can make an execution saying independents can vote and can make an excuse saying it's a wider state and she lost and she's the democratic front-runner. understands there will be nights like that ahead. at the same time attention on the democratic race because it's continuing, media attention and she will get to go to the states and raise money as she goes and what she needs to do, the biggest challenge for her is to develop a relationship with senator sanders based on respect
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she can keep his voters. she understood, to gloria's point, language aimed at women, van's point about making a bet, she's making a bet she can keep the obama coalition together and the doesn't have to play trump's game. to make that bet happen in the first post-obama presidency, she needs the young people and the young people with obama who the next generation are now with sanders. needs to make sure african-americans turn out in big numbers so that ohio doesn't tip over, so that pennsylvania doesn't tip over and the other rustbelt states tips over. she understands what she needs to do and the most fascinating question in american politics is does trump understand what he needs to do? do we see him changing his tactics just a little bit or changing his focus just a little bit to tell you he's trying to map out a path to 270 just as hillary clinton tries to protect the obama coalition and her path to 270. >> interesting you mentioned ohio. doug, let me pose this question to you because the ramping up of the vp vetting and anderson asked, you know, hillary clinton about that, really her answer
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was the thing heim looking for most is someone, you know in, a second could become the president of the united states. we know from our own sources and jim acosta's reporting that apparently some of the names thrown out by team trump including, speaking of ohio, rob portman, nikki heal and suzanna martinez. your thoughts on those three? >> needs help in specific states and with certain demographics. that's why i think you saw hillary clinton not only use the language she used in talking about words like demeaning as gloria pointed out but also where when asked about from anderson cooper did republicans start too late? this whole interview made the it clear that democrats are not going to make the mistake that the republicans made in letting donald trump establish himself as a primary candidate for months. democrats as evidenced by the elizabeth warren question as well, democrats are going to go on the attack immediately, and we're seeing that already today. >> okay. listening to you, also hearing another voice in my ear. we'll play had a little more sound as we heard from secretary clinton. we also have donald trump. he sat down with wolf blitzer just a little while ago at trump
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tower. here they were. >> as we're speaking, i know you're very happy that ted cruz has dropped out. cnn has confirmed john kasich, the ohio governor, he's dropping out as well. you're the only one left right now. >> that's good, that's good. you're just telling me this for the first time about john, and that's good. i think john's doing the right thing. >> ohio, you know, is an important state. no republican has ever been elected president of the united states without winning ohio. >> well, i think john will be very -- i've had a good relationship with john. >> a lot of government experience in the congress, as a governor. >> i think john will be very helpful with ohio, even as governor. >> he says he doesn't want to be a vice president. >> well, that could be. i mean, he said that. i've heard him say that. >> would he be someone you're interested in veting? >> i would be. i like john. had a good relationship with john fanned gotten along with him well. john, whether he's vice president or not, i think he'll be very, very hopeful with ohio. >> do you think the general election campaign has already started, you, versus hillary clinton, that for all practical
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purposes bernie sanders is out? >> well, i think what has happened, there's been a little flip, and i'm even surprised by it. i thought that i'd be going longer and she'd be going shorter. she can't put it away, like a football team that can't get the ball over the line. i put it away. she can't but it away, so i thought that i'd be out there and she would be campaigning against me. i didn't realize, so, yeah, i'll be campaigning against her while she's campaigning. >> so the general election campaign from your perspective starts today? >> essentially it's started, i mean, yeah. >> starts today, but noting ohio as, you know, john pointed out, doug was just talking about, gloria, to you. i throw out a couple of names from our reporting as potential candidates, potentially that they are vetting. >> right. >> what does donald trump need as his number two to sort of fill the gap because we're already hearing from republicans who are already tweeti tweeting #i'mwithher and can't imagine voting for donald trump. how does he pull them back into
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the fold? >> well, you know, he tries as hard as he can. you know, there are lots of people on the list that donald trump has, you know, has criticized. there's somebody like chris christie who would be a natural on the list bus he left and then joined the trump campaign, but i think there are different buckets for donald trump. you know, somebody -- somebody suggested to me the other day that there's a military bucket, for example, that maybe he takes somebody with a bunch of military experience. then there's the political bucket. you know, there's somebody that has the inside washington political experience. you talk about newt gingrich. that might be somebody like that, and then there's the governor, somebody who has sort of the national experience as a governor actually running a state and dealing with a state legislature, so there are all those options. the question is who would run with donald trump? and, you know, you ask about
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kasich. >> yeah. >> kasich has said to me and others i wouldn't -- i'd be a terrible vice president. i don't want to be vice president. he said to me i'd be worse than joe biden, which for a republican is a pretty awful thing to say. >> apparently he was just joking about that were. you don't think so? >> he said it personally to me. would he do it, and i've talked to a bunch of his aides who say he would not, so this is going to be another issue that donald trump is going to be facing on that score. >> what about, doug, the fact that looking at these two, we have to be careful with our language, hypothetically it is donald trump and hillary clinton, highest unfavorability ratings of two kanchcandidates, of them, since 1992? what do you think of that? >>/own crazy election year. this may be the craziest election year we've ever seen and it also highlights no matter who each party nominates their nominee will not be popular with the party.
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there will be a big push to unify. i think it will be easier for the democrats than it will be for the republicans. >> well -- >> dana bash, i'm being told dana is going to join this conversation. dana bash i haven't heard from you about what anderson's conversation with secretary clinton. >> anderson is too much of a gentleman, when she said donald trump hasn't been asked tough questions. anderson asked him tough questions, i have, the man has done so many interviews and we've tried to mine the -- the sort of policy positions that he has, and he doesn't give answers. the problem wasn't the -- the interviewer. the problem was that when he didn't give answers, the voters who supported him, they didn't really seem to care, and i think
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the fact that -- that hillary clinton is still sort of stuck on that, which i'm not saying it's not important. it is important to know where a presidential candidate stands on very important issues, but she's -- she's missing the -- the point of the trump candidacy which is -- >> how do you mean? how do you mean? >> which is these voters don't care about experience. they had the most talented republican field with the most experience and the most detailed policy plans in modern history, and they were -- they actively rejected that? >> she said they were full founded. >> in order to support somebody who -- they went with their emotion, support somebody who they thought would come and be different and by hillary clinton saying over and over again he doesn't have the experience, he's a loose cannon, that might be true, again, but she's appealing to the voters' heads and what donald trump has been so successful in. >> appealing to their hearts.
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>> appealing to their hearts and appealing to the people who are again aggressively and actively rejecting somebody with the kind of experience that she's proposing. >> i know you've asked the tough questions. i don't want to be on the other side of you, dana bash. >> gloria borger. >> always have. just want to say to build on what dana is saying, you know, in hearing her talk about the issues and putting meat on the bones and all the rest. >> yeah. >> you know, it's very much reminiscent of jeb bush. >> that's true. >> jeb bush kept saying during the campaign you guys have to ask him the tough questions. he needs to tell you where he stands on the issues, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, and where did that get jeb bush? and, again, it's not like we haven't asked it. it's just that he doesn't answer and his supporters are not supporting him because of his particular position on trade or his particular position on china. that's not why they are supporting him. >> so then how does the conversation change, van jones? >> well, look, i think a couple
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of things. one is hillary clinton has always put in this double bind. be authentic and she's authentically a wonk and then they say inspire me and she gets batted back and forth between these two things. what she needs to do is exactly what she was doing. she is who she is. she is a wonk. she believes in this stuff and she has to round out course. no one soloist can defeat this trump megaphone. she needs a chorus of voices, president obama will come out. i guarantee you in that rustbelt, heard all about the map that john says in the result belt. deploy a michelle obama to stand in flint and say you want a ceo president. a ceo governor gave you flint. trump will be running against both clintons, both obamas and both sanders. that's the only way to deal with him because trump himself is such a master of being so many different things inside of one sentence, but don't try to get hillary clinton to become the
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inspiration person in chief. she will be the wonk in chief and will have a whole army behind her to deal with donald trump. >> let me remind everyone tuning in, you'll see much more of wolf blitzer's conversation with donald trump when they chatted earlier today in "the situation room" at 5:00 eastern. do not miss that. coming up next we'll have more from anderson's exclusive interview with hillary clinton. we'll talk with former obama senior advisers david axelrod and dan five and what they thought about what needs to happen going forward. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll being right back. first word! y, baby,r sfx: baby speak not even close. reach for the orange, it's 100% shmorange! this just got interesting. why pause to take a pill? or stop to find a bathroom? cialis for daily use is approved to treat both erectile dysfunction and the urinary symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently, day or night. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions
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today on this day after the indiana primary, cnn has spoken now both with hillary clinton and with donald trump. we just heard from secretary clinton speaking live from chappaqua, new york, with our own anderson cooper. let's continue this conversation moving forward with our political panel. joining me now, cnn political commentators david axelrod and dan pfeiffer, both former senior advisers to obama and still with us republican strategist doug heye, former communications director with the rnc. gentlemen, mr. axelrod, to you first. you watched the interview with secretary clinton. your thoughts. >> i did. look, i think she seemed very confident, and you heard the themes that i think we're going to hear again and again and again, and we heard from john podesta last night that donald trump is risky, that he's a loose can mon. >> heard that four times. >> that she has what it takes for what the presidency entails
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and, you know, i think that that is probably a very solid way to go. whatever people think about donald trump, there is this question about him with his finger on the button and making decisions that have life and death consequences, and she does have an advantage in this regard. people can see her in that job. i heard the conversation earlier between dana and gloria about the whole issue of experience and trump overcame that in the primaries, but this is a much different electorate. in the democratic primaries the experience issue, the experience quality has actually helped hillary clinton and in a general electorate and general election and i think will help her as well so i think she's playing her strongest card her. >> dana's point in the end was heard versus heart and trump is appealing to so many people's hearts. dan, specifically, just having a conversation about looking at the other republicans who ultimately faltered. you had jeb bush saying to the media you guys need to be asking
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substantive questions of donald trump. we did. he is gifted in his answers. let's put it that way, in some cases. you look at marco rubio, you look at just yesterday ted cruz and how they sort of ultimately went on the attack and that was the end of their campaigns, so how does hillary clinton take on donald trump? >> well, i think david makes an important point here which is we should not assume that what worked with the republican primary electorate will work with the general electorate. in fact, the evidence shows the opposite. if you look at the polling at the beginning of the republican primary, you would see real opposition to establishment figures and real support for an outsider and real support for some of donald trump's most extreme positions on things like how to deal with muslims, syrian refugees and immigration, of course, and so what worked for him and was probably an asset in the primary is going to likely be a problem in the general election, and so i think hillary clinton certainly seemed confident. she seemed sort of enthusiastic,
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like she sort of woke up this morning and like thought i can't believe i get to run against donald trump, rotating the message on loose cannon and that's a good start and see how it plays out. >> doug, i promise i'm coming to you. david, i'm coming back. trump said to wolf, yes, i'm a counterpuncher. this is a man quoting the "national enquirer" yesterday with regard to ted cruz's own father. i understand that you're saying apples and oranges, primary versus general. but there's some themes, the man is who he is. >> listen, i think he's an immensely talented marketer. he knows -- he's -- as i said last flight he's the first twitter candidate. i mean, you know, he has gifts and he has no boundaries, and one of the things that i think hillary clinton has to be prepared for is this is going to be about as much fun as a root canal for the next six months. he's going to be going after her every day. she seems to realize that and
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seems to be girding herself for that, but she also -- you know, you look at the cnn poll that was just released and i heard john king talking about what she needs to do to reassemble the obama coalition. that poll suggested that she was -- she had a 94-5 lead among democrats, so that's a good start and 81-17 lead among non-white voters. >> overall 54-41. >> among women voters, 54-41 overall, but a 26-point lead among voters, so those are the elements of the obama -- and, by the way, just a huge lead among voters under the age of 55, so those are the -- i think she had 59-35 there. those are the elements of the obama coalition, so she starts off in a strong position, but she's going to have to stand the constant barrage of attacks from donald trump which could come from anywhere, and as you point out from any source.
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>> doug, david axelrod says donald trump has no boundaries. do you agree? >> i think that's absolutely right. this is being set up to be essentially the irresistible force versus the immoveable object with donald trump being the irresistible force and moving things through his will. that's why you saw hillary clinton talk about different issues than what donald trump would talk about. she talked about issues of equality for gender pay and talked about climate pay. tells me this election is not going to be so much about persuasion as it is about mobilizing your voters and that's where hillary thinks that she can do the best. >> what about on this, doug, this general election matchup poll? this is really the first one that truly, truly matters, has secretary clinton at 54% and trump at 41 and the one category, you know, which trump beats her, where anderson tried pushing her was on the issue of the economy. we heard him talk about the economy last night in his speech there at trump tower. what does trump need to do to turn that around? >> well, he just needs to continue to hammer it home. trade is obviously a big
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vulnerability which is why you saw trump talking about nafta so much. as hillary clinton often highlights her husband's successes donald trump will try to use that against her. look, this is the number one issue that's affecting voters right now. there is anxiety about the economy in every demographic, every sector of the country. it's why it's been so effective for him thus far in the economy and why hillary clinton will continue to try to talk about specifics to get him on the report on very specific things. we'll have to see if it matters to general election voters. >> we know that the vp vetting -- >> brooke, i would -- >> go ahead, david. >> i would just make one point on this economy issue. when you ask people a general issue about the economy, they may react differently than if you request them specific issues about how the economy affects them. mitt romney, for example, had about the same lead over president obama at the time of the election in 2012 on who would better handle the economy, and yet he lost by a substantial margin, so it -- it really is
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important to get into the details of how people react to the economy. i think trump has some real possibilities here around issues like trade. i think he'll push them, but i wouldn't make too much of this one number because, as i said, it didn't help mitt romney. >> is there any kind of candidate as a potential vp, dan pfeiffer, that makes you as a democrat nervous who trump could be choosing? >> not a specific one, no. i think the best thing he can do is pick someone who will help answer the, you know, ready to deal with the world question, you know, someone with experience. i don't think -- he seems to think that getting someone with congressional experience is the right move. i don't think that's necessarily the right move. i think that's more somebody like maybe a former military official, someone who would -- would be -- provide some sort of a backup if trump is commander in chief but he's got problems much bigger than who his vp is going to be. >> we'll leave t.dan pfeiffer, thank you, david axelrod, great to have you on and doug heye, thanks so much for sticking around.
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appreciate all of you. coming up next staying on politics, huge day here. we now know ted cruz is out. john kasich will be out, waiting for that announcement officially later. donald trump is the last man standing on the republican side of this race. the presumptive nominee. we will play for you hillary clinton's reaction in her very first interview since donald trump became the presumptive nominee. you're watching cnn. we'll be right back. ya know, viagra helps guys with erectile dysfunction get and keep an erection. talk to your doctor about viagra.
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and we continue on. you're watching cnn on this wednesday afternoon. thanks for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin, the race for president has never been more clear as it is right now. just a couple of hours from now sources tell cnn ohio governor john kasich will suspend his campaign, one day, not even a full day since ted cruz officially dropped out of the race. now for the very first time hillary clinton is responding to the fact that donald trump is
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the presumed nominee, the only republican here still standing. secretary clinton just spoke exclusively to my colleague anderson cooper. we will play just a piece of that for you in a emt mo. meantim ti meantime, donald trump sat down with wolf blitzer. >> i know you're happy that ted cruz has dropped out. cnn has confirmed john kasich, the ohio governor, has dropped out as well. >> you're good. >> you're just telling me the first time about john and that's good. i think john is doing the right thing. >> ohio is an important state. no republican has ever been elected president of the united states without winning ohio. >> well, i think john will be very -- i've had a good relationship with john. >> he's got a lot of government experience with the congress and as a governor. >> i think john will be very helpful in ohio even as governor. >> he says he doesn't want to be vice president. >> he's said that.
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>> would he be someone you're interested in veting? >> i like john. i've gotten along with him well. john, whether he's vice president or not, he'll be very, very helpful with ohio. >> do you think the general election campaign has already started, you versus hillary clinton, that for all practical purposes bernie sanders is out? >> i think what has happened, there's been a little flip and i'm even surprised by it. i think i'll be going longer and she will be going short. she can't put it away. that's like a football team that can't put the ball over the line. she can't put it away. i thought i'd be out there and she'd be campaigning against me. i didn't realize. i'll be campaigning against her. >> so the general election campaign from your perspective starts today. >> essentially it started, yeah. >> let mebling them back in. cnn political political director dave chalian and cnn political correspondent dana bash. traffic-wise, we're going to turn around some sound from hillary clinton and anderson cooper momentarily. let's begin with mr. trump sitting there with wolf. here, according to donald trump,
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this is day one of the general election campaign for him. david chalian, what do you think the trump campaign today is doing? what's priority number one, two and three? >> they are writing down their to-do list and i think we've heard about all three priorities, at least immediate priorities, from donald trump today. one, we're starting to hear them talk a little bit about the vice presidential process. that is something that they now are going to begin. start ramping up that process of coming up with a list and the vetting process and how they want to proceed. two, donald trump talked this morning about money and how this effort will be funded and he's prided himself on not raising money. he's accepted donations on his website which did quite well for him but the lie i don't know's share of the money and primary campaign was from his own pocket and now he's saying that he's going to raise money for the republican party, considering down ballot tickets and all of that, so they have got to work out that structure, and -- and,
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three, he is going to work on party unity. he's now got to bring the party together. he is the last man standing, and he has been the dominant force inside the republican party throughout the entire last year, and now the ability and what he's able to do to take all of the portions of the party who have been resistant to him and open up doors, avenues of talking and avenues of cooperation is going to be an immediate mission for him so that when we hit that convention in cleveland they are a unified party, healed from this rough and tumble nomination season. >> on that note, and, dana, before i ask you that question, if we have that photo, i'm sure you've seen the cover of "the new york daily news" today with the elephant in the casket. here you have it, dana bash. with that image, front and center, how does donald trump unify the party? does he move more to the middle like we heard paul manafort say to the rnc a couple weeks ago? what do you think? >> you know, i don't think that
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it is -- it is the traditional move to the middle situation for somebody like donald trump. it's lower the rhetoric and change the rhetoric. i mean, what i'm hearing from my republican friends and sources and people who i talk to, you know, all the time who are still resistant to donald trump, and i want to emphasize not all of them are. many of them are saying we're going to, you know, stick with the republican nominee, even -- even though it is donald trump, but those who are still resistant aren't resistant in the way that i expected which is some of the arguments we heard from the earlier opponents of donald trump which is he's not a real conservative. he used to be pro-choice. he used to be for universal health care. he's really a new york liberal, the kinds of things we even heard from ted cruzzier. it's more about the fact that he says that they think that they think are just crazy,ization
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things whether it's about the "national enquirer" story just yesterday about ted cruz' father allegedly, you know, i don't -- allegedly is -- >> not even allegedly. >> not even allegedly. >> exactly. making up a story it says that ted cruz' father was somehow involved in jfk's assassination and giving that story legs, whether it's that or the kkk. i mean, those are the kinds of things that republicans who have been talking to who are still in the never trump category are in that category for. those are the reasons, and not so much about the policy which actually again scott of surprises me. >> and that is precisely, you just teed me up to the sound bite. we have it between anderson and hillary clinton. you know, part of the interview. he brings up that point, that donald trump just yesterday referenced the "national enquirer" story. are you, secretary clinton, ready for whatever he may throw at you as far as attacks? let's listen to what she said?
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>> are you ready for donald trump, already has an unflat earning nick 2345i78 for you, unlike any other candidate you've run against and anybody anybody has seen in a long time? >> well, you know, anderson, i've seen the presidency up close from two different perspectives, and i think i know what it takes, and i don't think we can take a risk on a loose cannon like donald trump running our country. you know, donald trump has said it's okay for other countries to get nuclear weapons. i think that's just downright dangerous. he has said wages are too high. i think we need to have a raise for the american people, raise the minimum wage, get wages back going up. i think when he says women should be punished for having abortions, that is just beyond anything that i can imagine. i think most women can imagine. >> he did walk that back. >> well, he's a loose cannon. i mean, he's somebody who has said so many things, and i'm sure he'll be scrambling and his advisers will be scrambling, but he's already said all of these
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things. he says climate change is a chinese hoax, and i think it's real. we've got to pull the world together to deal with it, so you can go down a long list, some of which he's tried to bob and weave a little bit, but i think it's a risk. i think he is a loose cannon and loose cannons tend to misfire. >> and on the loose cannon note, anderson also asked would you be prepared if donald trump were to bring up, you know, issues from your marriage and she essentially answered if he wants to go back to the playbook of the '90s, been there, done there, oh, please and she laughed it off. to your point that donald trump has appealed to so many hearts of so many americans, do you think this go-round it might resonate? >> you know, maybe, but i think only in the sense that it feeds a narrative, a broader narrative that he's trying to continue about hillary clinton. same old, same old, the same people, the same positions, the same policies that haven't worked, and if you add --
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sprinkle in the clinton drama, which he's trying to do, that just gives it a little bit more flavor from his perspective. i really think that it's the -- it's the -- the business is usual narrative that's been so successful for him is going to continue. >> brooke. >> go ahead, david. >> four loose cannons. >> four, i counted them. >> that's clearly -- >> the new line. >> clearly what she came to say. this is the indication that the clinton campaign has seen all primary season long donald trump successfully define his opponents and this is them putting him hon notice day one they are going to try to give as good as they get and start defining every single day donald trump. that's going to be tricky because he's had such a good successful season of defining himself and his own brand but that's their mission. >> dana and david, thank you both very much. let's get the donald trump supporter perspective. let me bring in jeff dewitt, also arizona state treasurer.
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jeff dewitt, welcome back. how are you, sir? >> great, brooke. great to be here. thanks for having me. >> let's begin just with the four references to donald trump being a loose cannon from secretary clinton just now with anderson. how would team trump respond to that? >> well, hillary clinton is, you know, she epitomizes the washington establishment, and what she's doing honestly is playing right into our hands because she's pointing out the fact that donald trump is not a practiced politician. he is a businessman. i think she's trying to somehow frame the argument that you want a practiced politician and anybody who is not an establishment figure is a loose cannon of sorts, but she doesn't understand where america is at, and donald trump absolutely has his finger on the pulgs of america. it's why he was so successful in the primary. america wants a business leader, an outsider to take our country back, and the more that she says that, the more she's playing right into our narrative which is that he is an outsider. >> so, i -- i hear you, jeff,
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but let me just also point to this is new for everyone and this is the first time it's significant, new general election matchup poll. you can see that overall hillary clinton is at 54% and trump is at 41%, and the only category where trump really does quite well, and we heard him, you know, the message resonating last night as he was speaking on the economy, but for everything else, you know, he's losing. how does he turn that around ahead of november? >> well, the top three issues in america are jobs, the economy and immigration. donald trump beats hillary on all of those, and, you know, there has been a very concerted effort in the republican primary to tear down mr. trump, and that has obviously hurt his favorability to some degree but now as we bring unity and david and dana had very good points and david talked about job number one right now for us is to get unity on our side, and we're going to have a huge advantage now going into the fall. i've said many times that the first party to get past this
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primary and to have a nominee is going to have a big advantage. it's so great that it's our side and bringing that unity now, getting everyone on board and everyone behind us is going to change those numbers drastically very quickly, as we've seen in previous presidential years. >> but on unity, and you're absolutely right, you've got to have folks behind you, but, you know, you have all these establishment republicans who are coming forward and saying, essentially no way, jose, am i voting for donald trump in the wake of seeing the news last night with ted cruz, you know, the #i'mwithher. there was a "washington post" opinion writer george will who says it's conservatives' task to help trump lose 50 states and save as many senators and representatives from the anti-trump movement. how do you bring those republicans, you talk about unity, how do you bring them back to your side? >> well, he's completely wrong in that because the way to protect the senator races and our congressional rations is to help promote donald trump.
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we need to have unity on the ticket, and quite frankly with the millions of americans who are coming off the couch to vote for donald trump, you know, employing them to help in those races and goat their votes on the down ballot races in every state is what's going to help the republican party and so all these people are doing by saying that, if anyone would, any republican would vote for hillary clinton, then they are not a republican. they are a democrat, and they should re-register but donald trump has brought millions of people we've never seen before. he'll be one of the greatest things that happened to the republican party. >> one of the greatest things to have happened. let me ask you. just told wolf blitzer he's really a counterpuncher, he won't punch until someone else punches first. we're leaving the waters of the primary season and really entering the big race. do you think he'll attack first? >> if you watched that hillary clinton interview, i think that's already been decided. she has attacked, and she has attacked very, very decisively on donald trump, so, you know,
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look, it's politics, right? it's what they do, and it's -- you know, part of politics is this character assassination. she is playing out of the old political playbook trying to tear down who he is and she's not realizing that the american public wants that. they want donald trump. >> how -- how -- how is she attacking? she was saying she wants to continue doing what she's doing, stay on substance. where was the attack? >> the four times that she called him a loose cannon, when she said he's a big risk, when she mischaracterized things he said about demeaning women and degrading and, you know, she uses all these politically tested words to try to drive a point and then she says but i don't want to say those things so those are attacks. we just have to be honest were it. and she's on the attack and very worried and quite frankly taking her off of message right now on bernie sanders may hurt her in her own primary. and this is a huge advantage for team trump that she has to go off message and we're not sure if she's going tonight nominee. a lot of people out there that say bernie sanders still has had a shot in that race, and the
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more that she does go off message and talk about donald trump, which we're all for that, will hurt her in the primary and i think right now they look very, very poised to have a contested convention on the democrat side. >> we'll see, we'll see. i know you'll continue to support donald trump and we'll continue that conversation. always important to hear your perspective. jeff dewitt, thank you so much. >> thank, breakthrough. >> want to make sure you know what's ahead hon cnn in the next couple of hours. you'll watch the entire wolf blitzer at 5:00 in the "the situation room" and tonight watch the entire hillary clinton interview with anderson cooper, 8:00 eastern on "a c360," huge night here hon cnn. do not miss a beat. you've heard the perspective from the trump camp and coming up we'll hear from the democrat side and republicans not exactly ready to get behind the presumptive nominee and get behind donald trump. hear why. stay here.
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i mean, you just saw the past hour. this is going to be the war to settle the score. they are coming out from the very beginning. one of the things you notice, the first thing that trump's spokesperson says is establishment. they think -- that's the word they want to brand her with. if they win that, they win. she's trying out what can i brand him with? she says loose cannon. i don't think they are there yet. i would encourage them to try, you know, bully. that might be a better way because then everything she does to him, you're being a bully. you're being a bully. americans don't want bull its. americans have been bullies by isis. she's got to find some way to tag him before she gets tagged, but you're now seeing two heavyweight boxers circling each other, already throwing the first jabs. >> molly, what do you think? >> well, you know, i think what we see from hillary, i agree that her response was 00 rather mild but she may be still trying to stay a little bit above the fray at this point because she's trying to make a case about
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trump's temperament and what we've seen hillary is rubbing a very conventional campaign and trump is an unconventional candidate, and what he's good at is setting people off balance. he gets under their skin and insults them in ways they are not accustomed to, they overreact and then they look just as off kilter as he does, so i think hillary is trying to make the point that she is the candidate of the even keel, the non-risky candidate, and the question for the american electorate is does the rise of trump mean that they actually want to take a risk? >> matt, what do you think? >> yeah, look,ful race is about demographics, then hillary clinton, you would have to bet on her, women, hispanics, anybody not a working class white guy would you have to assume the race you bet on hillary, but if you're talking about the message, i think van is exactly right. i think donald trump has the messaging advantage. hillary clinton is an establishment politician, and donald trump is the sort of
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revolutionary outsider and insurgent candidate and i don't think that works exclusively in republican primaries. i think there really is a hunger out there in america right now to change things. people aren't happy with the way things are going so, you know, this is going to be a much more interesting race than i think some of the -- i don't know what the polling is that she's up by like 15 points. i don't think that's going to last. >> much more interesting, already been pretty interesting already. go ahead, van. >> listen, i think -- everything we just went through is just the trailer for the trilogy. >> yeah. >> this is going to be a major epic thing, and i think, for instance, donald trump has been able to make what anybody else would call being erratic, being unstable, being dangerously unstable, he calls it unpredictable. >> yeah. >> he's able to brand himself as -- as unpredictable to mask his weaknesses. hillary is -- >> hillary -- >> i'm sorry. hillary thinks this is 1964 all over again, that donald trump's barry goldwater and he's going
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to get destroyed because he's going to look erratic, like the guy who is going to, you know, lob a bomb. >> finger on the trigger. >> into the kremlin. the american public has change the this. isn't the 1964 american public. they are buying reality tv shows and that's what trump is selling. >> molly, you wrote a piece today called "the day the republican party died." i'm sure you've seen the cover of "the new york daily news," the republican elephant in the coffin. you say the republican party will never be the same. do you think that's the case? do you think it's time for change? what say you? >> yeah. i mean, i think no matter what happens in this election, there's -- there's a reckoning that's just beginning for the republican party. the people in the party, some of them very high enin the party, a lot of people i know who are professional republicans works devoted their lives to the party who are now changing their registration, who are not going to vote and who feel like they are politically homeless, and these are people who are passionate about ideas so i don't think that's a split that gets repaired easily.
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i don't think you can say party unity, party unity until it becomes true. i think there's a serious split here between a base of voters that the elites and the establishment didn't understand, and -- and a party structure, a conservative intelligentsia that now has no place to go with their ideas, so, yeah, there's a serious police for the republican party that we don't know how that's going to play out. >> donald trump said to wolf blitzer, day one for him looking into the general election. we saw him coming in on the escalator announcing his candidacy. quick sound bite of nokes who said no way. roll it. >> donald trump is not going to be the republican nominee, period. >> what i am firmly convinced of is that donald trump will not be our nominee. >> he's not going to be the nominee. he's not a serious candidate. he's an entertainer. >> i don't care if i have to get in my pickup truck like i did when i ran for senate, donald trump will not be not knee of the party of lincoln and reagan. >> we're going to the convention and i'll be the nominee.
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>> donald trump will not be the nominee. we're going to beat him for this nomination. >> matt, how much crow is going around today for everyone to eat? >> a lot, and i think more embarrassing mash-up would be commentators, not politicians, because politicians have an incentive to get that one wrong, but, you know, everybody -- nobody saw this coming, but it is -- it is very dangerous for the conservative movement. the party of reagan that i cared up with where we cared about strong national defense, free markets, that's out, and we're actually reverting back to a pre-reagan era republican party that was more protectionist, more isolationist and -- and vastly different. >> we salt over dinner, van jones, you and me last fall. i will say you saw this coming. you saw this coming. >> and i'll tell you why. >> quickly, yeah. >> i'll tell you why. i grew up in rural west tennessee, good red state kid, public schools and church every sunday and i'm going to tell you there's pain out there and both
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the elites in both parties have been insulated from that pain. people are sitting on a white hot stove. they want something to change. they want it now. if hillary clinton can find a way to tap into that she will be fine, if she doesn't get the sandbags ready, a wave is coming. >> van jones, matt lewis, molly ball, thank you all so much. >> thank you. coming up next, stunning new details about the hours leading up to prince's death. the singer's closest associates reportedly seeking help to deal with the music icon's pain killer addiction, but it didn't come soon enough. we'll take you live to his paisley park compound coming up. don't go to paris. don't go to la, don't go to tokyo. live there. "come in, come in" when you airbnb, you have your own home. make your bed. cook. you know, the stuff you normally do. ♪ wherever you go... ♪ don't go there. ♪ live there. ♪
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some new revoldetails about the death of prince. cnn has learned that an addiction specialist was making plans at the request of prince owes representatives to admit the star to a clinic in california hours before prince passed away. the specialist is nationally known. his name is dr. howard cornfield. his program recovery without walls treats patients for pain and addiction management and dr. cornfield's son who took the red eye to prince's compound at paisley park and was the one in the build when he was found unresponsive in the elevator and is the one who dialed 911. the plan was called as a life-saving mission. >> that mission was to get prince to a doctor in minnesota on thursday morning. he contacted a trusted colleague of his. that minnesota doctor cleared his schedule for thursday
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morning to provide privacy to prince. the second part of dr. the plan was to send his son, a staff member, for recovery without walls. andrew's purpose in being there was to describe the recovery without walls program to familiarize prince with that. prince could go there for pain management and any addiction issues. >> joining me now, cnn's stephanie elam who attend that had press conference today and has new details. also here, cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, and criminal and civil attorney eric guster. a lot to get to. first, stephanie, to you. we now have information about a percocet addiction. what do you know? >> right, and it's important to put this all in context here. what we're understanding from the lawyer representing the
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cornfield there was an intersensing being waged by prince's camp, that they made the first call wednesday night and he was supposed to see a local doctor on thursday morning. we obviously know now that he passed away and the new revelation that cnn has learned from a lawyer who used to represent two of prince's half siblings, both of whom are now passed away, in particular duane nelson who is the source of this information saying that according to this attorney had said that he had seen prince use percocet in the past, not just seen him use it, helped procure it for him decades before the iconic singer lost his life. we do know also that duane nelson used to work for prince and that he worked for him as paisley park but then was fired, and then went on to sue his half brother, but he said that prince was using the percocet to come down after performances. this is according to prince's half sibling who is deceased, but the lawyer who used to represent this brother is saying that he told him this before he
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died, so this is something that cnn has learned, and this is a new development in this case. brooke? >> with that huge piece of news, sanjay gupta, the question is this, if this is, again, putting this on this attorney who represented these two half brothers who are no longer with us saying one of them used to get the percocet for prince. he wanted, you know, the percocet to come down and help him deal with the rigors of performing. prince was in no way just a regularrational user. have you ever heard of percocet being used in this fashion? >> no, not really. percocet is a pain killer. it's an opiod narcotic and typically used to treat pain. what is being described as someone coming down after a performance, i don't know. you know, you think someone using an anxiety medication or something like that or a sedative or something so i haven't really heard of it being used like this, but that's not its intended use either. >> remind us what it is. >> well, it's a pain killer.
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percocet is a pain killer, and, you know, if he was having pain for as long as stephanie elam was just describing over a decade or however long it was, you -- you can be rest assured that percocet probably wouldn't have effectiveness for that long. typically these medications are used short term, so to -- to have been using it for a decade or so, it wasn't being used as intended by any means. i don't know if he was using it more as a sedative just because it can make you sleepy as well, but it certainly wouldn't be a medication of choice. the way that it was just described, brooke. >> it's also tricky. we don't know was he addicted according to this lawyer, according to the deceased half decades? using it off and on for decades, using it for decades? eric guster, let me bring you in. let's bring the nationally known doctor and son aside for a second. the crux of this, how was prince getting, whether percocet or whatever the drug found on him and in paisley park the day he
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died, the dea is in there, and they are going to figure it out. >> this is almost deja vu with michael jackson's death. when you think about a performer who died at the hands of a doctor and someone who was giving them drugs, and prince, if he had this addiction and he was -- he was getting these major prescriptions, someone had to supply them. someone had to write prescriptions for him or his aliases or people to actually fill these prescriptions, and that's what the d.a. wants. they want to know who was providing these drugs, who was getting them filled, and who was basically overseeing all of this and who should have stopped it, because if someone was enabling this and writing these prescriptions illegally, then that doctor can be prosecuted, could lose his or her license as well. >> obviously somebody knew something was up, to pick up the call, to call this california doctor who is very well known, they were going to bring him in and have around-the-clock care in california confidentially to
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improve his health. still, it's like they missed him by hours. >> yeah. >> literally hours, and the person who made the call, it may have been one of his -- one of his concerned family members, so it may not have been a person who was actually providing the drugs. it could have been a family member saying, look, prince, we need to get you some help. we're going to call this specialist. they are going to come and see you, and we're going to try to save your life because you're going down a bad road, but they just did not make it in enough time which is so heartbreaking. >> that is so sad. eric guster, thank you. we're also waiting for the toxicology reports and all that's come back with the autopsy. that is all pending. stephanie elam knows that very well, stephanie, thank you and dr. gupta, thank you as always as well. coming up next, back to politics. donald trump and hillary clinton both face unfavorable ratings like any other presidential candidates in history, the highest since i think the early '90s, but smart vp picks could help them turn it aron. cnn is learning that possible candidates are being vetted.
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what a day, what a day. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. donald trump is not only the presumptive nominee, he's the only republican candidate remaining in the race which raises the question, hmm works will his running might be? mr. trump said hours ago that his campaign is currently vetting several names. >> i think that i will say that i probably will go the political route. i have the business, let's call them talents, and i think i'll probably go the political route,
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somebody that can help me with legislation and somebody that can help me get things passed and somebody that's been friends with the senators and the congressmen and all so we don't have to go -- so we don't have to go the executive order route as much as obama did where he can't get anything approved so he keeps signing executive orders. >> as for vice president joe biden, he weighed in on all of this. >> mr. vice president, trump is now the presumptive nominee. any comments about -- any regrets about not getting in the race? >> anticipating the last meeting as a vice president. i have nothing serious to say. >> i have nothing serious to say. here he is, jim acosta, cnn's senior white house correspondent who i never get to see in person because you're traveling all over the place. >> i know. >> nice to see you. >> this is a limited engagement. >> i know, appreciate every second of it. >> back now. >> yes. >> on the short list. >> for donald trump, who is on it? >> and we should point out, stress right at the very
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beginning, i mean, they have just begun this process. >> today is day one, he says. >> in its infancy, names they are kicking around inside trump world, and i talked to one trump source earlier this morning who said these -- these people would be on any short list, suzanna martinez, the governor of new mexico, nikki haley, governor of south carolina. she tangled with donald trump, as you'll recall, during the south arolina primary and rob portman, senator from ohio, always on every short list every four years. this happened during the last cycle. dana bash did talk to portman's office in the last several minutes and portman is saying through his spokesman he's not interested so, you know, this will get batted back and forth over the coming weeks but it just shows you right off the bat the trump campaign is very interested in someone with political experience and someone who is a known quantity in washington who can help calm some of the jitters inside the republican party. there's a lot of them. >> someone who can maybe fill the military bucket i think is how david chalian phrased it as well. hillary clinton still battling it out. she's not taking anything for
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granted. >> yeah. >> she just told anderson cooper just yet. who would be on a potential short list? >> right at the top of the list and this is from talking to democratic sources over the last several weeks about this, the chatter in washington is tim kaine, the senator, tom perez, secretary of labor, elizabeth warren from massachusetts, cory booker, julian castro, all the names that get mentioned but when you talk to people time and again they always point to tim kaine, a moderate and reminds democrats of the clinton/gore team, a moderate picking a moderate and would help in virginia and mark warner also from virginia also on that list. the thing that's interesting about these last four years, the last eight years really is we saw dick cheney at the head of his -- at the head of the bush selection process and then he picked himself basically. he became vice president, you know, under george w. bush, and then joe biden was for barack
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obama essentially another person, an older hand inside the party who could help balance out the ticket. you don't really have that concern this time around from a younger and older less experienced and more experienced standpoint so you'll see lots of different names floated in this process, brooke, and part of it, the fun of this is going to be watching donald trump go through this process. he's run an unorthodox campaign. >> yeah. >> how will this work? >> my guess is an unorthodox process and i've been told ivanka trump his daughter will have a say. >> very trusted and has been throughout the process. >> she's not involved in the campaign. >> he listens to her, yes. >> that will change. >> jim acosta, happy travels, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> again, make sure you stick around. cnn, an important day in politics. we'll be watching wolf blitzer's entire interview with donald trump that rolls out at 5:00 eastern and tune into the entire hillary clinton and anderson cooper interview on "a c360." that just wrapped a while ago in
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i just want to take a moment today to pause on the politics and the back and the forth and talk about something really, really important, our men and women in uniform. and specifically to remember an american hero, flags are flying at half-staff today in arizona the home state of navy seal charles keating iv, the 31-year-old was killed during a fire fight with isis forces, broke through iraqi defenses in northern iraq. we have new video into cnn showing a bullet-riddled suv the aftermath of that assault. in an exclusive interview with cnn secretary of defense ash carter says keating's death underscores the danger that goes with a fight of this magnitude.
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>> it was a surprise isil attack that suggests something that also needs to be a caution to us in addition to his loss, which in addition to being tragic shows us this is risky -- this is a risky campaign. there is risk here, americans are at risk doing it but it's necessary. we need to, we will defeat isil but there's going to be risk associated with it. >> let me bring in former navy seal sniper instructor eric davis. he is also the author of "raising men" what we learned in seal training and taught to our sons. eric, thank you for your service to this country and swinging through cnn. >> thank you for having me. >> here is what we know and the details are, you know, foggy. we know that charles was the third american to die in combat since the u.s. redeployed to iraq in 2013. the fight was classified as a big fight, he helped evacuate
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the u.s. advisors before being hit with direct fire. knowing he was in such a big fight what do you make of that? >> you mean how his concentration was on helping getting people out during the fight or just the fact that a big fight can happen right now. >> all of the above. >> if seals are deployed there that means there's high risk and potential for something like that to go on. it's tough. so it feels in a way like we're beyond some of the combative situations we've been in for a while, but we're not. >> we're not. >> no, because isis still operating, people are still struggling in the world, people are still hurting, freedom needs to get out there and they still need our help. it can happen at any time. >> you had a similar role to his, did you not? >> i was also leading petty officer in a sniper cell. >> what does that mean? >> the sniper cell is where we train snipers, the names change throughout the years but it's basically there is a course that the east and west coast combined together and that's where we train seal snipers. >> what would he, could he have been doing?
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>> i would imagine if they were there we call it -- this could have been a fid type mission, foreign internal defense which is basically when we're there training other units from other countries to enable them to take care of what they need to take care of. as a sniper instructor or sniper he could have definitely been helping with some of their shooting skills, somg of their softer skills such as reconnaissance, surveillance, who knows but those guys, but he was enabling them to take care of themselves one way or the other. >> the fact we just heard from the president of the united states it's adding 250 special ops forces in syria. what are the risks? >> well, i mean, again, if we're there then the risk is always high. >> we're there. >> absolutely. and then the risk is always high. that's what they use us for. special operations communities have been going for years -- i think one of the biggest risk is actually lack of support. right? so we're thinking that, again, like we said, this stuff we feel like it's behind us but if those guys are going back in first the
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risk is why are we going back in, why do we need to go back or reengage that way and will we be supported, will the white house support us, will americans still support us, will they get tired of war and these kind of stories, i hope not, that's why it's so important to take time out and do things like that. >> navy seals, best of the best, you lost one member of your family and these families can't even fully talk about -- they don't fully know what their loved ones are doing. what's your message to the families right now who have men over there. >> so my message to the families it's more a message analogy to america, to the world. don't forget them. when we lose somebody there's 10 to 15 to 20 people their life was torn apart today, it's ripped apart and it doesn't ever go away. so we can't forget them, we've got to reach out and help them when they're ready and just honor -- honor who they are because they're the ones -- i mean, in a way we're out there fighting, doing our job, but they are the ones that are stuck, you know, here not
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knowing what we're doing. there is a lot of trauma associated with that. >> i can't imagine. don't forget them. >> do not forget them ever. ever. >> eric davis, that's how i wanted to end the show today. thank you so much. i apprecte t we'll be right back. it we'll be right back. . we'll be right back. you both have a perfect driving record.
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so who will donald trump pick as his running mate? wolf blitzer, white courtesy phone, the lead starts right now. it's over, or is it just beginning? governor john kasich minutes away from announcing that he is out of the republican race, leaving one man standing, donald trump, as the only hope for republicans in november, but will republicans fall in line? president obama speaking in moments after having accepted that filtered water in flint, michigan. we'll visit with flint native michael