tv State of the Union With Jake Tapper CNN May 15, 2016 9:00am-10:01am PDT
very hard. it's pretty clear he was not living his life like he was running for president 25 years ago. we're out of time, unfortunately, but it's a good reminder we're starting to see six more tons. "stust union" starts right now. trump 2.0? the outsider candidate makes nice with the establishment on capitol hill. >> i was very encouraged with what i heard from donald trump. >> and seems to back off his controversial muslim ban. >> i'm always flexible on issues. >> is the trump strategy shifting? we'll ask his top aide in minutes. plus ghosts of trump past. >> he's a good guy and not going to hurt anybody. >> reporter: did the presumptive republican nominee really pose as his own pr agent? >> doesn't sound like me. >> reporter: will the tabloid king's old antics come back to haunt him?
and hillary clinton, as trump continues his attacks on her husband, a new report renews questions about clinton foundation fund-raising. will it hurt hillary? plus the best political minds will be here with insights from the campaign trail. >> hello. i'm jake tapper in washington, where the state of our union is still in denial. new report in "the washington post" says a cabal of dissident republicans including former nominee mitt romney are actively attempting to recruit a third party conservative candidate to run against donald trump and hillary clinton. what they're missing? an actual candidate. ohio governor john kasich and never trump cheerleader ben sasse of nebraska both said no they're not interested. even mark cuban also said thanks but no thanks, even without a
new rival trump had a bumpy week with renewed calls for him to release his tax returns. hate-filled diatribe from his former butler on facebook calling for president obama to be killed and of course those bizarre tapes mocked on "saturday night live." >> who am i? i'm his publicist joey pepperoni. no, i'm not donald trump in disguise. this is just what classy people sound like, okay? >> lots to talk about with trump's convention manager paul manafort. thanks for being here. really appreciate it. >> great to see you. >> i want to start with this meeting donald trump had with house speaker paul ryan on thursday. people in the ryan world describe it as a meeting where donald trump said what they wanted to hear, what speaker ryan wanted to hear about how he would comport himself going forward and ryan's concerns about things that trump has said that potentially alienated women, latinos, et cetera, but in the "new york times" this morning, mr. trump told maureen dowd, quote -- "we talked about
the success i've had" trump replied. so which is it? did he aump to speaker ryan that he would behave, or manner or was the conclusion he's got to be him? >> look, both statements have elements or both true, actually. donald trump was not asked by the leadership to change, and there's no reason for him to change. he's just won the primary process with a record number of votes beating a field of 16 qualified candidates. so there's no reason for donald trump to change. >> well, that's not necessarily true, though. appealing to one party's electorate, democratic or republican, is not appealing to a general election electoral. >> but trump in the primaries was appealing to the broader electorate, which is why you had crossover even though there was spirited contest going on the democratic side. that's not to say that paul ryan
didn't talk about policy. they actually got along very well. the conversations that they had focused on the trump agenda to make america great again and paul ryan's agenda to return prosperity. there were a lot of overlap on the objectives of both of those programs. >> surely you look at the negative ratings that mr. trump has with women at large and the general electorate and latinos and you think going forward it's going to be tough to win the white house if those negatives stay where they are. >> this is one of these conventional wisdom facts that are not correct. yes, there's some high negatives on the part of trump right now who has just come out of a spirited contest. hillary clinton has got high negatives, too. when you look at the recent quinnipiac polls came out last week which show trump winning in florida and even slightly ahead in ohio and pennsylvania, you look at the gender gaps and the real gender gap is a male gender gap on the part of clinton where she's got a bigger disparity between her support with men
than trump has with women. so it's an issue. it will be dealt with. we're coming through a healing process. this is when we're unifying our party. the national polls have all shown closure where trump now is either one or two points behind or one or two points ahead so this is way early and still already we're seeing convergence on the part of the electorate with donald trump and the meetings at the hill with the leadership were very positive. >> let's talk about the policy of nominees or tradition rather of nominees releasing their tax returns. it's been a tradition since 1976. it's done to show the american people if there are conflicts of interest, how much charity he's been given and see if the nominee is paying in taxes. mr. trump said in the past he would release his returns if he became the nominee. now he says voters do not necessarily have a right to see them. ronald reagan, bob dole, george w. bush, john mccain, mitt romney, all of those nominees thought that voters had a right to see them. why does mr. trump feel differently?
>> he doesn't feel differently. he said he will release taxes. he never has changed his position. he said once the audit is completed he will release the taxes. >> why not release the ones before the audit? if 2015 -- first of all the irs says you can release them to the public even if they're under audit. >> of course you can. but why not release 2014, 2013, and 2012 and put the issue to rest? >> i understand the audit is going back eight years' worth of tax returns and anything beyond eight years is not going to be reflective of anything other than interest on the part of the media. >> you know nixon released his returns while under audit and donald trump released his returns to a gaming commission i believe while under audit when he was trying to get a casino in new jersey. >> this is an issue that the media is interested in, not an interest that middle america is interested in, frankly. donald trump has been clear. donald trump will comply when the audit is done. you talk to tax attorneys who are not politically motivated. they would tell you they'd never advise their clients to release any tax information in the course of an audit.
>> you're saying the audit is for eight years worth of returns? >> that's what i'm led to believe, yes. >> i still don't understand why just to get this out of the way, mr. trump wouldn't just release the returns. >> because they're not complete yet. >> is there something in there that mr. trump doesn't want the american people to see and for that reason you've made the calculation better to take the hit because the american people really aren't that engaged in it as opposed to the media than to take the hit on what is in the returns? >> he said there's nothing in there. i have no basis to believe otherwise. >> let me ask you about this other question. "the washington post" on friday reported that donald trump used to pass himself off as his own public relations agent either named john barron or john miller. i want you to listen to this 1991 record of a "people" magazine reporter speaking with someone who claims to be "john miller." >> he really decided that he wasn't -- you know, we didn't want to make a commitment. he thought it was too soon. he's coming out of a marriage,
and he's start little to do tremendously well financially. you know, a lot of the people you write about and you people do a great job, actresses, people you write about, call to see if they can go out with him and things. >> are you seriously, is the campaign seriously claiming that was mr. trump? >> i could barely understand it. i couldn't tell who it is. donald trump says it's not him, i believe it's not him. >> in 1990 under oath he testified he did use the name john barron and in 1991 he told "people" magazine he did use the name john miller so this has already been admitted previously. i don't understand why now. >> i don't know those facts to be true or not. i just know that he said it's not him. i believe him. i don't know the relevance of this frankly other than it's 25 years old, it's dealing with interest that "people" magazine are in, and not focusing on the issues trump is trying to talk about today, jobs, terrorism,
immigration problems. these are the issues we should be talking about. why the media is spending so much time going back 25 years to talk about "people" magazine tape that may or may not be trump is totally irrelevant. >> well, first of all, mr. trump has brought up things that were 25 years old on behalf of mr. clinton, former president clinton. >> but that was not "people" magazine. those were issues that related to a core component of hillary clinton's strategy, which is that she's talking about breaking the ceiling for women, and yet she was an enabler and made the victims of those dalliances into a bad situation. >> my point whether or not it took place in the '80s doesn't seem to be the issue. the larger point, i understand what we've talked about issues on cnn all the time, the issue is i think here you have a man in his 40s allegedly acting as his own public relations agent, bragging about his exploits with women while married to ivana
trump, the mother of his three children and speaks to a certain kind of character issue, don't you you this? >> the tape has not proven it's him. the justification for the tape is words that are on that tape are words donald trump uses. i've been working for donald trump for six weeks. i'm using words he uses. i'm not the person on that tape. it's no basis in fact other than some allegation and now they're even saying he leaked the tape, that he had this tape for 25 years and he leaked the tape. makes no sense. >> when you start saying the construct i think you're looking for is tremendously successful, the one he use a lot in real life and john miller used in there. let me move on. there's an issue having to do with you that i want to give you an opportunity to redress. there's a 1992 report center for public integrity that listed youthful firm as one of the lobbying firms that profited most doing business with foreign countries with human rights issues with how the governments treated their people. you were reportedly the closest political adviser, american
political adviser to viktor es yarn cough itch of yanukovych of ukraine, a close adviser to vladimir putin. some are saying they have questions about donald trump getting classified briefings because of you, because of your close ties to viktor yanukovych and others. how to you respond to that? >> well, there are so many different parts of that we said are wrong. first of all, i don't see the classified briefings. donald trump sees the classified briefings. >> you're not in the room when he receives them? >> not in the room when he receives them, he doesn't talk about them. there's a barrier. second i have no foreign clients, i have one client donald trump. >> you have in the last decade. >> third, some of those clients you're talking about, they were in concert with u.s. foreign policy. as far as the yanukovych administration is concerned if you did fact checking i was the person who negotiated the framework based upon which ukraine is now a part of europe. that was my role and that's what i did. when it was completed i left. >> i did do a lot of fact
checking and reuters wrote an extensive story that talked about you being a strong political adviser to viktor yanukovych, not just you, tad devine at the sanders campaign but you being a powerful and influential person with viktor yanukovych. >> i was involved in activities that related directly to positively impacting u.s. and foreign policy, and that's what the facts will show. >> mr. trump was talking about remaking the map in his fight against hillary clinton. what are some states that are not traditional democratic states in general elections that you think you can win that mr. trump can make competitive in november? >> not traditional republicans? >> yes, please. >> there are a number of them, there's michigan, there's pennsylvania, several new england states. we think that -- >> new hampshire, maine? >> new hampshire for sure, maine a real possibility. connecticut is a possibility. >> connecticut? >> yes, connecticut. we are going to have, you know, we're in the process now of organizing the framework for the strategy of our general election
campaign, but without a doubt when you look at the appeal of donald trump in the primaries that have been held so far you see incredible crossover support. you see democrat support for bernie sanders that has a potential trump support indicated they will never vote for hillary clinton and when you analyze who those people are that are saying it, they're the very demographic that trump is appealing to in independents and crossover democrats. we think in a number of places for a lot of issues, jobs, integrity, coal, for example, in pennsylvania and ohio and elsewhere, we think there are a number of issues that allowed us to expand the map. we think the democrats are the ones who will have a very narrow way to victory. >> paul manafort, congratulations on mr. trump becoming the presumptive nominee. thanks for joining us. we'll see you on the campaign trail. >> you will. >> thanks for taking our questions today. >> a new poll showing donald trump leading in ohio. could hillary clinton pick an assist for but ike state?
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welcome back to "state of the union." i am jake tapper in washington. while hillary clinton insists she's still focused on locking up the democratic nomination, lots of people around her are looking ahead to whom she might choose as her vice president. including donald trump, who seems to have zeroed in on massachusetts senator elizabeth warren. >> i've just learned that crooked hillary, along with her
friend, you know, she's got this goofy friend named elizabeth warren. she's on her twitter rant. she's a goofus. she is a goofus. >> another progressive senator's name in the mix ohio's sherrod brown, who, unlike elizabeth warren, endorsed clinton and did so last year, campaigning alongside her in ohio, a swing state, where some polls show trump leading. senator brown joins me now live from cleveland, ohio. thanks for joining us. >> jake, good to be back. >> hillary clinton is making a big issue out of donald trump's failure to release his tax returns. take a listen. >> what about his tax plan? i hope you'll keep asking that. and what about his taxes? because when you run for president especially when you become the nominee that is kind of expected. so you got to ask yourself why doesn't he want to release them? >> now it is true that bill and hillary clinton have made their tax returns public dating back
to 1977, but, but senator brown, given that hillary clinton has refused to release the transcripts of those paid speeches to goldman sachs and that she had to essentially be dragged into giving her e-mails to the state department, isn't hillary clinton a flawed messenger when it comes to transparency? >> no, i think they're very different issues. you see what donald trump refuses to do, and i listened to your prior interview and there's a lot of dancing there, and i don't know why trump doesn't want to release his returns. he clearly doesn't want to. every presidential candidate in both parties i think you said since nixon, an interesting
comparison, is that trump doesn't want to acknowledge, is it that he doesn't do much charitable giving? is it he doesn't want people to know his real network? is it some of his investments? you had trump on the show i believe a couple of months ago, jake, where you wore one of his ties made in china. i would add that i'm sitting in, i'm in cleveland today, unfortunately snowy cleveland, wearing a suit made by union workers, about five miles from here, and that plant hires several hundred americans and when i hear donald trump talking about making america great again and then makes a lot of money apparently by outsourcing jobs to china, and then he talks a good game on trade policy, it just makes me question a whole lot of things and i think his tax returns would indicate a lot if he ever releases them. of course he doesn't have to, with all the media pressure but i think it shows some issues that people will think about. >> for the record i wore that trump tie to make that point. >> i know. >> just for the viewer. let's talk about trade, senator, because it's an issue where donald trump seems to be actually trying to run to the left of hillary clinton. take a look at one of your re-election campaign ads from 2012. >> sure. >> sherrod brown is calling for action against cheating china. >> they don't play fair and we've got to fight back. >> "cheating china, fighting back" later on in the ad it talks about imposing tariffs on china. to be frank, that sounds a lot more like donald trump than it does hillary clinton. how are you going to be able to
convince your voters, your working class voters in ohio to vote for her when they seem to agree more with you and him on the issue of trade? >> well, i wouldn't characterize my position as close to donald trump's. he is highly critical of china. he talks about big tariffs. doesn't go any deeper than that. his analysis or his solutions, and again, look what he does with his own businesses and with his own outsourcing of jobs. but the real issue is i trust hillary clinton on trade manufacturing because i see her plan. she wants a trade prosecutor to enforce rules and trade laws. she wants to triple the enforcement budgets at the department of commerce and the international trade commission. she has specific reasons about her opposition to transpacific partnership, currency, lack of currency provision, rules of origin which is really important in this region of the country with autos.
she has been up -- and she clearly on manufacturing, she has a real in-depth plan about how to bring manufacturing into this country. trump has words but there's not really any depth there and that's why i trust hillary to do this right. >> senator, in-depth plans are all fine and good, but as i don't need to tell you, when you go out there and talk to working class men and women in ohio, people who think that the deck has been stacked against them by the washington elite, democrats or republicans, selling their jobs down the river, whether they're going to mexico or china, a lot of them seem to be very skeptical of hillary clinton, and willing to listen
to donald trump. are you not concerned about that? >> of course i'm always concerned in an election. i'm just greatly concerned that donald trump will be the nominee of a major political party in this country, and anything can happen in an election, but i also know that secretary clinton will work on these trade enforcement issues in a way that, and will oppose these trade agreements in understanding how to do that which donald trump has never really offered. i also know that when you talk to working class audiences in ohio, when they start think being this in the next four months, donald trump has been against the minimum wage, now he's kind of all over the place but he's fundamentally against, he said wages are too high, so he clearly has been against the minimum wage. he might act like he changed his position. he's against prevailing wage, which will be attack at the heart of the building trades of people that build our roads and construct our buildings. he's for right to work, which is a dagger in the heart of working class ohioans, so i think when they see the big picture on jobs and the big picture on manufacturing and the big picture on trade, they're going to see a few shallow words from trump but a lifelong commitment to workers from hillary clinton and that's why i trust her to do this right. that's why i endorsed her early
and why i campaign hard with her particularly in the industrial manufacturing unionized parts of ohio in the northeast, and that's where she's going to run her margins up and win this state. >> the "wall street journal" reported this week that bill clinton, the former president, used his nonprofit clinton global initiative to steer a $2 million commitment of private funds to a for-profit green energy company partially owned by friends of the clintons, according to "the journal" details about the investment were initially removed from the cgi website, a few months later partly "to avoid calling attention to mr. clinton's friendship with one of his friends" who owns a 29% stake in the company. what do you say to those who see the report this looks like crony capitalism? >> i don't know the he it tails >> i don't know the details of the report. i'm married to a journalist, as you know, jake, and i understand the difference between reporters at "the wall street journal" who are some of the best in the land, and their editors, and i think that you're going to see
coming out of "the wall street journal" a crescendo of attacks on clinton in ways that are generally unfair. i don't know enough about this report. i do know, though, that "the wall street journal" probably won't be writing much about the good things, the clinton global initiative has done to combat international poverty and i've worked on a lot of those issues. i've not really worked with the global initiative but i've worked with people like jim young kim at the world bank and others, in combating international tuberculosis and other issues. i welcome the work the clinton global initiative has done, with groups and individuals like bono and all that's happened around
the world. i think if that's going to be the republican attack on hillary, it's not going to work. >> well there are going to be a lot of them i bet. the latest q poll has trump beating hillary clinton by four points in your home state of ohio, 43% to 39%. one thing that's been talked about as a result of this in part is putting you on the ticket, also you have progressive credentials that might help her shore up some of the sanders supporters. you have said you are not interested in the vp job, but if clinton came to you and said i need you to be my vice president you wouldn't say no, would you? >> i'm married to a journalist and as i said, as you know, we know you have to ask that question. i'm not going to answer it any differently. i respect the work to you do and not going to answer any differently. i love the job i'm doing. my priorities are to continue to fight for manufacturing in my state and for jobs and health care and deal with lead issues and my beloved city of cleveland, where i live, and every other city in the industrial midwest. i will put real effort into helping to elect clinton clinton. as i said i love this job and
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strongly. >> donald trump this week saying his campaign pledges are merely suggestions. is he backing off one of his signature proposals? here to talk with me about it, dan in a brazile, oregon senator jeff merkley, who is supporting bernie sanders, andre bauer, former lieutenant governor of south carolina supporting donald trump and cnn political commentator ana navarro. >> not supporting anybody. s. >>ished point out both mercury and barrow's names floated by me just a moment ago during the commercial for vice president. >> and let me just start with you, everything is a suggestion, mr. trump says, including he was specifically being asked about his proposed ban on all noncitizen muslims entering the u.s. "until we figure out what the hell is going on." now he's saying it's just a suggestion. do you think it might disappoint some of his supporters the idea he seems to be kind of backing
off? >> you know, his supporters are very loyal. they're so frustrated, he's talked about a multitude of different things. they're glad anybody is even engaging in the discussion at this point in time, because political hot button issue no, sir one wants to engage in the discussion you can never fix them. at least there's a candidate willing to engage in some of these discussions that for far too long have been something no one wanted to touch so i think it doesn't do anything to hurt his group of supporters. >> but presidents don't suggest things. if abraham lincoln suggested the emancipation and not actually gone forth, we would still have slavery, so i don't think presidents suggesting. i think donald trump is in an awkward position because in a general election, which is different from the primary, we're going to bring up all of these so-called flip-flops on reproductive rights, even one suggestion he would support hillary clinton as president. now of course he says something else. >> you're saying because he contributed to her in 2008? >> absolutely. >> senator? >> this goes to the fact there is no ideological core, no policy core. we see that on issue after issue. we have a self-promoting huckster as a republican nominee, we see this talking about creating jobs in america but he imports workers
from overseas to be employed in his enterprise. there is no hard core and really, for folks to think he's going to be a champion for workers, that's equivalent to asking the koch brothers to be champions for solar power. >> ana, is this not -- i'll let you have the final word on this, is this not reassuring to some in the republican elite who want mr. trump to back away from some of these things said during the primaries? is this not in a way potentially smart politics? >> if anything, we've learned
from donald trump is that he can have one position one day and another position the next day. he can have one position one hour, another position another hour. i actually found this answer about things being a suggestion during the presidential campaign a refreshingly blunt and frank answer. we could fill up buildings and buildings in washington with campaign promises that candidates have made during campaigns that when they become president, if and when they become president, really only turn out to be a suggestion. here's the bottom line. both of the major candidates, the possible nominees have a slew of flip-flops, on hillary clinton side, you could do trade, you could do tpp, gay marriage. donald trump's side it is way too many for me to get into, okay? there's way too many from last week to get into, between muslims and taxes and everything else. so you can take your choice, folks, which of these two inconsistent candidates do you want to vote with? which of these two candidates who don't believe in transparency do you want to vote for? >> who are you voting for, ana? >> the false equivalent has to be -- >> let me just tell you -- i'm going to devote for dwyane wade, go heat.
>> you think this is false equivalents? >> republicans dealing with a very unpopular nominee their strategy is clear to me. jake, i stood back for a whole week and just watched it and what i see is basically a party that wants to throw everything, every bit of mud that you raised today with sherrod brown about the clinton global initiatives. no money, zero money, zero change of hands, yet it was put in "the wall street journal" with no sources, no fact, but it's salacious, so you have to go ahead and muddy up the other candidate simply because you can't defend the presumptive nominee of the republican party. >> donna, both parties are dealing with the most unpopular nominee they've had in history. >> i'm not going to contradict the polls. i'm saying don't litigate don't put that in the middle of a campaign. >> there's still a democratic primary going on, because both candidates are incredibly flawed and unpopular. >> we don't have winner-take-all. pinches no, you don't delegate. the epitome of grand pubah -- so are you baby that's why i don't mess with you too much. >> i'm pointing at the person who is handsome. >> first i also want to play
this tape as you know "the washington post" published some audio of donald trump on friday, "the washington post" saying it's him posing as his own spokesman "john miller." yesterday sue carsweil former "people" magazine reporter on the tape, told cnn she did not provide those tapes to the "the washington post" and she believes that donald trump did. take a listen. >> i didn't release the tape. i believe he did. >> just to distract our attention from all the other things that have now been published about him? >> yes. yes. >> is that possible, donald trump released his own tape to change subject from the tax
returns? >> think of how silly that is. who wouldn't rather talk about their tax returns. anderson cooper does a great impersonation of donald trump, the number of people that do donald trump impersonations is going to be "yuge." you'll continue to see it more and more clearly. >> you think it's an impersonator. >> i don't know who it is. my job is not to decipher that and there's so much bigger issues to be engaged in. we may get involved in whether it's important. the average person out there that doesn't think their income's right, doesn't think their country is moving in the right direction, they're way more concerned about that than who this is. >> ana, who do you think is on the tape? >> look, since i don't partake of trump kool-aid i clearly think that is donald trump on the tape and frankly i think it's just one more dose of the daily telenovella drama we get out of this campaign on a daily basis. we get it doled out by little doses by little doses daily. maybe he released it so it doesn't come out in october. >> if so, that's smart. >> what surprised me he hasn't done what he's done with so many things that have come out so far shrug his shoulders and laugh it off and say that was then, i'm a presidential candidate now. >> stay with us. as donna mentioned there's this new report in "the wall street journal" raising more questions about former president bill clinton and the clinton foundation. donna i'm sure will have a lot to say about that. will it become a problem for hillary clinton? stay with us. s [burke] at farmers,we've seen almost everything,
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what would you be saying about her if you were doing your show right now? >> what i think about hillary clinton is, you know, i imagine to be a very bright woman without the courage of her convictions because i'm not even sure what they are. >> ouch. that was former "daily show" anchor jon stewart's take on the possible democratic nominee and leading democratic candidate hillary clinton. she is slouching toward victory, a handful of pledged delegates away from locking up the nomination but fending off rival bernie sanders who keeps racking up wins.
back to our panel now. donna, jon stewart i don't think there's any mystery who he'll vote for in november november if it comes down to hillary clinton versus donald trump. isn't his voice progressive kind of one of the problems for hillary clinton. lot of progressives have their doubts about her? >> you're looking at a progressive, somebody who i believe has fought for every battle on the progressive cause and also looking at someone who has as well, hillary clinton has been out there in the fight for as long as i can remember. jake, i remember when i worked for the children defense fund, working on a project with marian wright edelman. this woman went back to my beloved self to fight for poor kids to make sure they have health insurance, woman who beliefs equal rights important symbols of our national government. i disagree with jon stewart, who i love and admire but she's a woman of strong convictions. >> senator merkley, your home state of oregon i would say they vote tuesday but probably been
voting for the last three months. the final result comes in on tuesday. bernie sanders is expected to do quite well there, but the math, the delegate math is almost insurmountable, take a look. you have clinton with 1,720 pledged delegates plus 521 super delegates, 2,241, bernie sanders 1,426 pledged delegates, 1,467, even if you take out the super delegates she still has s this 00-delegate lead much wider this 300-delegate lead, which is much wider that obama had over hillary clinton. >> it's an uphill climb. he'd need to win two-thirds of the remaining regular delegates. if he was to win the regular delegates it would be a conversation. super delegates don't really belong in the democratic party. it's an uphill climb but such an important conversation for new jersey to have this conversation, kentucky, oregon, california, the dakotas, for every voter in the democratic party in america to be able to weigh in about these big issues facing -- we're talking about all the scandals, scandal, scandal but the big issues. middle class is getting squeezed. the middle class is being left out in the cold and bernie creates a clear message resonating with americans. we need big changes and need to put this nation on track why it's important to carry the conversation through all of the
primaries. >> let's talk about the questions raised in "the wall street journal" report about the clinton global initiative, what the report suggests bill clinton steered money and has the conferences and gets private equity, private capital to go to causes that he finds important and one of them was this green energy firm that was partly owned by a friend of his and steered $2 million toward it. the clinton foundation says this is nothing untoward as well this is what he does but do you think this will hurt her? >> of course it is. she'll continue to struggle with all voters because of a perception of an inability to be honest. >> and donna, you say there's nothing untoward here at all?
>> first of all it's very difficult to disprove a lie in this culture because what we have today -- >> what is the lie what have i just said? >> there was zero money exchanged. >> it was a pledge. >> it was a pledge. what bill clinton did and a lot of foundations and everyone knew this, jake, including the republicans like carly fiorina, like you know, the bush family, that have gone to these clinton global initiatives, where they basically identify people with money to help these causes, in this case a green energy company that insulates low income houses. this is a good cause but instead of talking about the cause, we got to talk about the controversy because of course the only thing that keeps the republican party going at night, because it can't have any issues is this whole issue of trying to find a scandal. there's no scandal. this is a discredited book. i read it. it's salacious journalism and should not be in "the wall street journal." >> it's "the wall street journal," it's not the "enquirer." we know what we're getting with the clintons, family that blurs lines between philanthropy, politics and business. there are no saints running for
president this year. take your choice, folks. i think we know all the warts that come with both of them, and you know, frankly, she should release the transcripts and he should release the tax returns. the american people should make this decision as bad as our choices are as informed as we can be. >> the hottest political event in town is a graduation ceremony this weekend. donald trump and vice president biden will be in the audience at today's university of pennsylvania commencement. what could happen? it's the subject of this week's state of the cartoonian, that's next.
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at one particular graduation ceremony today in the great city of philadelphia, attendees will be treated to more than your average pomp and circumstance. that is the subject of this week's state of the cartoonion. congratulations, graduates of the university of pennsylvania, class of 2016. we apologize for all the secret service agents here today. even though you've spent your lives being coddled and told you're very important people, we have here today two actual very important people in attendance. >> everybody knows what a great school it is. everybody knows that to get into wharton is probably the hardest school to get into. >> that's right. please welcome donald trump, an alumnus of our business school. >> i'm really smart. went to the wharton school of finance, did well at the school, came out, made a fortune. >> trump is here to celebrate the graduation today of his youngest daughter, tiffany, who he says got all as and is a winner. >> his hard work ethic is truly inspiring. whenever i'm, you know, at
school studying these long hours, i see him on tv without any sleep and it just makes me want to continue to work harder. >> also here today, vice president joe biden, here to celebrate the graduation of his granddaughter, naomi. we'll be trying to keep the vice president and mr. trump separated, since how this election has played out was not really the stuff of mr. biden's dreams. >> i think i would have been the best president, but it was the right thing not just for my family, but for me. >> we considered asking the vice president to give the commencement address today, but we did not want to keep you here until the next semester. we did ask mr. trump his advice to the students assembled here. he said, there's nothing wrong with the size of his hands. okay. anyway, congratulations, graduates. >> thanks for spending your sunday with us. you can catch me here every sunday and weekdays on "the
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