tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN June 1, 2016 10:00pm-11:01pm PDT
good evening, thanks for joining us. breaking news, serious questions for the state department and the white house after admission that someone edited a briefing addressing secret talks between the u.s. and iran. it contradicts how the state department previously described what happened. the deleted video was originally called a glitch. what do we now know? >> reporter: anderson, this stems from a briefing in 2012 discussing secret talks about iran. the spokesman at the time for hillary clinton said there were no talks going on. a year later, these talks are revealed. john kerry spokesman jen saki
says sometimes lying to reporters is necessary to protect secret negotiations, and about a month ago when a reporter referred back to the video of that exchange on a website and youtube, they found it was cut out. the current spokesman john kirby thought it was curious, had the legal adviser look into it. the same day of the briefing in question, the office that posted videos on the state department website got a called from an unidentified staff member in the bureau of public affairs requesting that it be deleted, several minutes of the briefing. the person checked with a supervisor saying it came from someone with authority in the state department, don't remember who. >> now no one can supposedly remember who made request to delete a portion of the video? >> reporter: i think there is selective memory going on.
person that took the call can't remember who called on her behalf, neither can the supervisor. they remember it wasn't jen saki who incidentally said on twitter that she had no idea what happened and would never do something like that. the bureau of public affairs isn't huge, only a few high level people could have made such request. to his credit, john kirby found there was no policy in place about the deletions, put in a new policy that every video is posted with all edits disclosed. it is weird, the transcript of the briefing has always been available online, the video is since restored. it feeds into this idea that the white house was not completely honest about dealings with iran. you may remember earlier this month, ben rhodes, deputy national security adviser told "the new york times" that the white house created a narrative that this didn't take place. so admittedly, they lied. >> so they have no memory of who made the request and they went to the boss, and the boss says i don't remember who we talked about. seems ridiculous. thanks very much.
a donald trump rally gets under way shortly in sacramento, california, second straight day of revelations in the trump university class action lawsuit. secretary clinton is using tough words against donald trump today, calling him a fraud, saying he is, quote, trying to scam america the way he scammed people at trump u. has there been direct response from the trump campaign? >> reporter: anderson, leading up to this the trump campaign said many students were happy with the course, felt they benefitted from it. donald trump is hitting back saying i am not the fraud, hillary clinton is the fraud. crooked hillary clinton put the country at risk by her illegal and stupid use of e-mails, many missing. she hasn't been found doing anything illegal yet, you can see the trump tactic saying i am not the problem, hillary clinton
is the problem. >> trump is already the presumptive nominee. why is he holding a rally in california tonight? >> reporter: he is trying to walk this fine line where he just began fundraising for a general election, he needs to raise money. because he doesn't have this war chest, he needs to get earned media and be in the news. i think we will see him have this vigorous campaign schedule. he can't let the media narrative be about hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling for california. i think you're going to see him try to balance his schedule, raising money, holding finance events and having campaign events. a number of donors says he has a couple of fund-raisers and having public events across california, even though he is
already the presumptive nominee. >> the panel is back. megan, reading about the catch up the trump campaign is trying to do in terms of organizational stuff a more traditional campaign may have already had in place. where does that stand? >> it's a problem. they're increasingly relying on the rnc for bare bones basics, my colleagues jonathan martin, alex burns did a story about a top hispanic leader -- >> rnc. >> rnc. she left because she said she had issues with trump and didn't want to go and defend him. you would hear complaints from younger staffers privately that they're concerned about him as their nominee, so when you start with that, when he is looking to the party apparatus already not cohesive behind the nominee, it is a problem. he just fired his national political director that was caught in the crossfire of a fight between two top aides but also gave enough complaints to trump to legitimately fire him. trump it is not clear saw why he needed this person.
he thinks he can manage some of this himself. they hired a polster, never had an announcement. talked about hiring other polster. didn't have a coms director. these are sort of basics. you can rely on the party apparatus to a point. when you're just fund-raising now to race initially supposed to be a billion, now trump says $500 million. these are real issues. you have a large number of party donors that said publicly they're not going to give to him, not going to raise for him. yes, he gets tons of what's called free media. tons of exposure, but that doesn't makeup for lack of bodies on the ground or makeup for voter registration or to
nuts and bolts efforts. he doesn't have a daily message he is driving. that's what we saw at the press conference. he could have taken that and used it to hit hillary clinton said yes, i made good on this promise. instead, he trained fire on the media. kayleigh says yes, it is an easy target but may not work long term. >> gets him headlines. >> it was diversionary. >> he is easier to dump on the media than talk about the issues with the veterans money. so that was -- even people that support trump will say he needs the message she's talking about, he needs a conversation changer. i was talking to republicans saying he has the votes for people that love trump. what he needs is to bring other people in. one way to do that might be to name the cabinet.
>> yet errol, you have been covering trump as a new york reporter, trump said at the press conference this is what you're going to get. let trump be trump. that was cory lewandowski's thing he wrote on a blackboard, seems to be what the campaign is doing. >> a number of his aides tried to convince people he will pivot, he will change. you'll hear more policy speeches, see him act more presidential. he himself has said that, none of it had any credibility. it was interesting to see how long it would last, some cases only 72 hours. what you see is what you get. there's this odd, interesting question, this phenomenon where he is running as if he is in the middle of a hotly contested primary. >> christine, yesterday hillary clinton had a message of the day which didn't address the press conference donald trump gave.
did that surprise you? >> i think the issue with yesterday's press conference whatever the message of the day was, it reminds us at the end of the day donald trump is about donald trump. the only -- the numbers and dates show he gave the money, most money to the veterans groups after "the washington post" asked. whether or not that message is right or wrong is not the issue. the issue is he is about himself, he is about making more attention, more press, more money. >> kayleigh, it raises questions about is hillary clinton ready to run against donald trump, a guy that's able to dominate the news cycle, a guy that's nimble on his feet in terms of what he talks about, whether you like it or not. hillary clinton seemed to have a message, what that message was going to be that day, and wasn't able to adjust to comment on donald trump's press conference. >> that's right. that's why we have seen her try to replicate some of trump's tactics, calling into a show
like jake tapper yesterday or tweeting today. i think she's trying to do the same. i am not sure it will work. i also find it odd that you say yesterday proved that everything is about donald trump when yesterday was about the fact he gave 5.6 million to 40 different veteran organizations. that falls on deaf ears when you say it was about him, yesterday was about philanthropy. >> philanthropy when forced, when they came looking for the checks. if the press let it go, rest assured those checks would not have come. the dates, "the washington post," proved that.
just in the same way when veterans were trying to be vendors as they're allowed to do in new york and make a living on fifth avenue, donald trump reached out to two mayors to have those veterans kicked off fifth avenue because how could we let them be at such a prestigious address. he is about himself. he will manipulate people when it is good for himself. >> kayleigh, respond. >> two veterans were here yesterday who said he has been giving four decades. several organizations said they got calls in january they would receive money. takes time to disburse money, as the clinton foundation knows. 10% of clinton foundation goes to charitable giving, 90% to the foundation. >> a navy veteran lost his life savings at trump university. there were veterans yesterday
showing trump's true colors. >> if donald trump is so charitable, how come they only gave $57,000 to veterans organizations between 2009 and 2013, and didn't give hardly any of his own money to his own foundation. he becomes charitable and about philanthropy when there's a camera in front of him, and like christine said when pushed on him. half the checks weren't until after may 24 when "the washington post" pushed him. unfortunately it should have been about the veterans organizations and should have been about the fact that millions of -- >> we are at a sad place in politics when people are scrutinizing the fact that millions of dollars went to veterans. it got there, it was because of donald trump. if you want to criticize him for that, it is sad. >> wait a minute. if a politician is using charitable donations as nobody doubts it is bad to give, but
isn't it fair to ask questions, has the money been disbursed? >> sure, it is fair to ask and he gave a full accounting. no one knows donald trump's motive giving the money to veterans. you can speculate all you want. >> i am not speculating. cut it out. took four months to disburse the money. that is a fact. and also a fact he didn't decide to do this wonderful stuff until he wanted to throw a temper tantrum, not be part of a fox debate because megyn kelly was this is to use veterans as pawns. moderator. this is his own opportunism at the time. >> he had to vet 40 organizations. yesterday when he released -- >> let her respond. >> people were coming out, criticizing the organization. saying thank goodness he vetted them. >> that's right. we have to take a break. just ahead, national security, why one expert, former aide to general petraeus and lifelong republican came forward saying he is voting for hillary clinton. we will talk to him ahead.
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hillary clinton tomorrow delivers a major policy address covering among other things the threat she sees donald trump poses to national security. a few national security professionals have raised concerns and some doing what they haven't done before. among them, retired colonel peter mansour, served with david petraeus in iraq, teaches and is republican and won't vote that way this time. you're a registered republican, always voted for republican for president. why are you planning to vote for hillary clinton if she gets the nomination? >> well, the problem is the republican candidate, donald trump, is not fit to be president. he would be a dangerous person in that office. he would alienate many of america's long-standing allies,
can't be trusted on the nuclear trigger, lacks character and foundation of knowledge necessary to be an effective president. he opposes free trade among conservative economics, and would diminish the moral standing in the world with his stance on muslims and mexicans and women and all of the various ways i cannot support him as president nor would i want him in office. my conclusion is i have to vote for the person that has the best chance of beating him, i think that's hillary rodham clinton. >> donald trump says a lot of concern is political correctedness, that he's going to take the fight to isis, obliterate them, that our troops are fighting with one hand tied behind their back. what is he not understanding.
>> to not know what the nuclear triad, he was asked about at the debate and flubbed. is it political correctness to say we should dissolve alliance with japan, south korea, allow them to develop their own nuclear weapons, and counter proliferation that's been a long-standing policy around the world. there's a lot of things he says and throws up a smoke screen, saying it is political correctness.
in fact, if you look at the policies behind what he is advocating, it would be disastrous for the united states as a great power around the world. >> early on in the campaign he said his plan for isis is bomb the hell out of them, take iraq's oil, he talked about -- not sure if he said take iraq's oil or bomb iraq's oil. when he said take iraq's oil, send in u.s. troops to surround iraqi oil fields, send in people to extract the oil and get the oil. does that make sense to you? >> makes zero sense. 85% of iraq's oil is in the southern part of the country that is not under threat from isis. so in fact we won invading iraq to take its oil and we would be at war with iraq, not with isis. >> seems to me that would inflame parts of iraq not against the u.s., you steal their oil or take it, that inflames the entire country against you. >> if you like the iraq war, this would be the iraq war on steroids. >> you were publicly critical of
trump in the last few months of the primary. the decision to go public supporting secretary clinton, did you come to that on your own, were you asked to do this by your campaign? >> no, i was not asked by her campaign at all, i had no contact with her campaign. this is a conclusion i came to on my own.
>> scale of one to ten, how much of a bernie sanders fan are you? >> 110. all in. bernie or bust. >> scale of one to ten, how much hillary clinton fan are you? >> negative 110. i will never vote for hillary clinton. ♪ bernie, bernie, experience and wisdom not for sale. >> reporter: they're some of bernie's biggest fans, or put another way, some of hillary's biggest haters. >> on a scale one to ten, how much of a hillary clinton fan are you? >> one. >> not a hillary clinton fan. >> zero. >> could that change? here's the question. if hillary clinton picked bernie sanders. >> bernie! >> as her running mate, how much
would you like to see bernie sanders chosen as hillary clinton's running mate? >> i would think that would be the most you outstanding decision bernie would make, he could bring all of the youth and the huge enthusiasm for the democratic party to hillary's side, much better chance to defeat trump. >> reporter: when push comes to shove. >> would you support that ticket? >> reporter: we found plenty that would come on board. >> i would support bernie sanders in any way, any position. >> 1% chance, i would vote in that situation for them. >> reporter: not all sanders supporters are willing to let go of the dislike for hillary clinton. >> you say you'll never vote for
hillary clinton. >> correct. >> if she chooses bernie sanders as her running mate, hypothetical question, would you support that ticket? >> absolutely not. >> how come? >> because i think hillary clinton is corrupt. >> would it make you enthusiastic for hillary clinton if she chose bernie sanders as her running mate? >> not enthusiastic, no, i know too much. >> honestly, i am not sure i would. >> this sanders supporter isn't sure either. like so many at the rally, he feels come november he would have no other choice. hillary clinton gets the nomination, she chooses bernie sanders as her running mate. do you support that ticket? >> yes. >> wholeheartedly? >> well, i hold my nose and vote for hillary because she's going to be better than the alternative. there's a big difference in this campaign. i am voting for bernie sanders. if i vote for hillary or vote for anyone else, it will be because i am voting against the alternative and that's a big deal. this is one of the first elections in my lifetime that i've had someone to vote for instead of someone i am voting
zoo did the right thing, gorilla behavior can be unpredictable, that we know from other incidents in the past. take a look. >> my son fell in with the male gorilla. >> when the three-year-old fell into the enclosure in the cincinnati zoo, no one knew how the male silverback would react. at times he seemed protective, at times holding his arm. at other times roughly dragging him through the water, also banged him against the wall. the gorilla was killed, the child rescued before seriously injured. this is not the first time a child encountered a gorilla. a three-year-old fell 20 feet into an enclosure, lay unconscious on the ground. a female gorilla carrying her baby approached him. watch how she picked him up and carried him to safety. >> she took him to the access door where they were able to get
the boy and bring him to safety. >> in 1986, a five-year-old fell into an enclosure. a silverback rushed over and caressed him. and seemed to protect him from other gorilla before he was rescued. despite the massive size and strength of the gorilla, they're usually not a threat to humans. they're one of our closest animal relatives. live in two distinct groups. i came face to face with mountain gorillas in the wild in 2006 in the congo. >> every group i did headed by a silverback. because of the coloring on the back. fully grown silverback can weigh about 500 pounds. at one point the silverback decided to check us out. >> he is just testing us. just let it pass. as long as he doesn't feel like
we are doing anything threatening, he will walk right by us as he did. >> visiting mountain gorilla is one of the most incredible, intimate experiences you can have with an animal in the wild, when this close and see their eyes, see how intelligent they are, similar they are to human beings. each has a unique personality, each an individual. whether in the wild or captivity, gorilla behavior is unpredictable, which is why no one knows what could have happened in the cincinnati zoo with a 450 pound silverback standing alone with a three-year-old child. an incredible experience to be that close to mountain gorillas in congo, ruwanda. jerry, you and others at the zoo played a big role in harambe's life, you were parents to him for about a year. what was he like as a young gorilla?
>> i told everybody, he was born, he was on the small side. his mom gave up after 21 days. she was young to be having a baby. so we took him, bottle raised him. i took him home at night. i had two sons, never changed a diaper. i am getting up 2:00 in the morning changing the diaper, giving him his bottle. it was a unique experience. >> at a certain age they're too big to be handling like that, and silverbacks, adult males are incredibly strong animals. was he aggressive or violent in your experience? >> no. he never was violent. he was a very inquisitive, curious character. made keepers lives miserable. >> how so? was he mischievious? >> he would do things like throw the water, he would hold the
doors open so they couldn't close it and sit there and look at them. they finally give up, walk off. he would close it himself. he was never mean or aggressive. i went in with him until he was seven or eight years old. then he got -- it wasn't me, he was playful, but when you get to be that size, they play rougher than we do. when they run by, hit you up side the head, your bell rings forever. >> he was reintegrated with other gorillas. after that, how much contact did he have with humans? >> dealt with him every day, people would have to go in, feed him, hand feed him, give him vitamins in the morning, his glass of milk. you did it through the bars, you didn't go in with him. while you were busy giving him his milk, he would stick his finger out, flip the glass and
runoff, as if he did something. >> i understand a fund has been set up at the zoo. what do you hope to achieve? >> it is the harambe fund. what it is, sir, in the wild there are programs, we are raising money to send over there, people over there, we need to get them to understand to eat gorilla today or poach a gorilla today, it is not there tomorrow. what we are hoping to do is tragedy, terrible tragedy and hurts really bad to take this rotten bush he will of apples out, try to make a pie, see if we can do some good in his name,
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just ahead, possible break through in the search for the egyptair flight 804 black boxes. there's a major development in the search for piece of egyptair flight 804. a french naval ship picked up a signal. they believe it came from one of the flight data recorders that may solve the mystery of what brought the airliner down. 66 people were on board when it crashed into the mediterranean last month. no terror group has claimed responsibility. joining us, former faa inspector david soucie and miles o'brien. miles, the beacon in the black box, if they have been detected, how close are they to finding that wreckage? >> pretty close, anderson, hard to predict, underwater acoustics
are funny, affected by a lot of things, by temperature in versions, thermal clients that can bounce around in strange ways. a mile or two of range which means they're probably homing in pretty close. we have to caution viewers to remember back to the search for mh370 when we thought we heard pings and ended up learning they were shark tagging devices. so it sounds solid but let's wait and see. >> how long, david, before the black boxes can be retrieved then? is there a special vessel carrying robots due to arrive soon? >> at that depth, anderson, it is important to maintain the pressure on the box. if there's a leak in the box allowing water in or anything that might be unique after the accident, needs to be encapsulated, brought to the surface at that pressure, and slowly under scientific environments slowly release pressure, bring it out slowly so the components aren't damaged by the pressure change. >> miles, what exactly will the
data recorders tell investigators? >> well, there are two boxes, one is the flight data recorder, this is sophisticated digital flight data recorder. hundreds and hundreds of channels of data parameters, just about everything you can imagine on the aircraft is connected to that box. what that system is doing. numerous hours of information about that, in excess of 20 hours. the cockpit voice recorder gives at least two hours on a loop of conversations inside the cockpit, what was the crew doing, what were they saying. were they trying to get off an emergency call and were not heard, what noises did they hear in the cockpit. those two things together should be able to solve the mystery, assuming they survived this. >> david, you would agree the recorders should provide enough information to tell whether it was a safety issue or terror related? >> yeah, anderson, i think it will. we looked in the accident investigation world, we look to the data recorder telling us what happened, we look to the voice recorder to tell us how it
happened. those two things are uniquely different, in the fact something could look like a routine maintenance failure, but if you listen to what happened in the cockpit before that, could lead you to incendiary device or something else. the combination of two is important for the whole story. >> david, there were other crashes where recorders stopped working or data was damaged. if for some reason that's the case here, how else do you determine what happened? >> well, again, both. say the data recorder stopped recording or was damaged in the accident, all you have is the voice recorders to go by, there's a lot of information that can be gleaned from the audio, for example, flip of a switch can have a unique audio signature to see what was going on, and be more narrative. if the voice recorder is not available, data recorder is probably the best of both worlds
to have. even if you have neither of those, information from the aircraft itself, if you find the aircraft, you'll see if there's any incendiary fuel and you also are able to tell structural failure or if the engines were under power, had power going into them when they hit the water, a lot of information from three sources. >> thanks. just ahead, the killing of kate steinle sparked outrage on sanctuary cities.
the family of kate steinle filed a federal lawsuit taking aim at the debate over illegal immigration. almost a year ago, steinle was fatally shot in san francisco. the man charged with the killing was an undocumented immigrant with a long record. san francisco is one of 300 sanctuary cities that passed laws limiting and in some cases prohibiting local officials from cooperating with federal officials.
they aren't allowed to give a heads up when an undocumented immigrant is released from jail. immigration says it makes it harder and supporters say they're necessary. pamela brown did a ride along with agents in chicago to see for herself firsthand how it all plays out on the street. >> reporter: in a federal facility just outside chicago, immigration and customs enforcement agencies are looking at undocumented immigrants convicted of crimes in the u.s., preparing them for deportation proceedings. >> i went downstairs, all of a sudden i see four officers. >> reporter: they arrested alberto perez. one domestic battery conviction on his record, perez was arrested again last fall on a new charge of domestic battery.
>> nothing really terrible. >> you have been arrested twice for domestic battery. >> why should you stay here? . i made a couple of bad decisions, i am not going to say i am proud of it. i love this place. i can say, this is my home. >> are the thises released him from cook county jail, despite a request to keep him temporarily, so they didn't have to look for him on the streets. >> the more agrenlgous criminal. >> the criminals were released from cook county jail, but he was never notified because of
laws. >> the driving force behind the sanctuary law. >> saying we understand that you don't want to hold these people, can't you pick up the phone and notify us when they are released. >> we have a policy who is released. there is no incident. >> in this particular, he is the alterboy, yes? >> yes, he was 66 when he died. deppy mccann was killed by a drunk driver. by a man who had been convicted
he confessed to shooting and killing sanchez claim it was anax incident jay johnson overseeing it. >> the local- oop. >> deportation proceedings don't work that way. zeroing in on undocumented, those, who are public safety threats and those who cross the borders illegally. >> a high er percent agage.
agents released three undocumented criteria. because they did not have cr criminal records. >> every one of the undocumented felons had been deported at least once, and came back across the border to commit crimes in the united states. one at least three times. >> how do you stop this vicious cycle? billions a year is spent on borders with mexico? >> there is a public messages aspect of it. if you are a recent arrival, we
play have to ds send you back, it is. >> do you think you will be deporlted? >> in my heart, i believe i it. i don't want to end up behind a dumpster or something. >> give us a sense of how much are being deported. a thousand every gay of the in the case of umberto perez. prosecutors doesn'ted not to go on with the charge, but
quick note and new details on the shooting at ucla. authorities calling it a murder-suicide. university officials say they will review all campus safety procedures in the wake of it. hundreds had to take cover until the all clear came. classes resume tomorrow except for where the shooting actually took place. that does