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quick note and new details on the shooting at ucla. authorities calling it a murder-suicide. university officials say they will review all campus safety procedures in the wake of it. hundreds had to take cover until the all clear came. classes resume tomorrow except for where the shooting actually took place. that does it for us.
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"cnn tonight" starts now. > . you're looking live at donald trump's rally in sacramento, california. we want to listen in now. >> she has teleprompters. do i have teleprompters here? no. she's got like these minor speeches and she's going, and i saw this a couple of times. you know, we're going to win in the north, south, east, and west. blah blah blah blah blah. oh, boy. so insincere. >> this is "cnn tonight." hillary clinton hammering her opponent on trump university. >> donald trump himself is a fraud. he is trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> meanwhile, bernie sanders
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does not hear the fat lady singing, not yet anyway. >> i wonder why secretary clinton and her husband, bill, are back in california. i thought we had lost it, it was all over. but i guess secretary clinton maybe is looking at some polling that would suggest otherwise. >> and the campaigner in chief doesn't even want to mention trump's name. let's listen to what he says on pbs. >> you know, he seems to do a good job mentioning his own name. so i think, you know, i'll let him do his advertising for him. we're going to begin with cnn's sara murray with the trump campaign in sacramento. hello to you, sarah. after lashing out at the press today, what has donald trump got to say now? >> reporter: well, he has been lashing out at the press yet again. he talked about his veterans fund-raiser, essentially saying he did a great thing. he got all the terrible publicity. he went off on the press for being bad people. he hasn't really dug in at all on the trump university issue,
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but, don, he started off pretty early at this campaign rally going after his favorite target, which is always the media. >> politicians get the most attention the more outrageous they sound. and so if you're civil and -- >> decisions on syria, iraq, and iran -- >> that was the president tonight speaking out about this race. he was on psb this evening. is donald trump responding to that at all? >> reporter: we have not heard him respond directly to what president obama said, but i think there's little chance that what the president does say will change donald trump's tone. i mean we've heard from advisers. we've heard from establishment republicans who want to support trump. just if he could change his tone a little bit, they might be able to get on board. but i think you saw in that very contentious press conference yesterday, trump saying he
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doesn't plan to change anything if he's elected president. that that's exactly what press briefings will be like when he's in the white house, and he's not afraid of going after the press. and i think, don, what you're also seeing is him sort of getting used to the scrutiny that comes along with running for president. and it's clear he's not entirely comfortable with. >> therewhat has easy been sayi about the trump university lawsuit? has he been talking about? >> well, the campaign has released from testimonials from students who said they had a good experience. of course this has been the campaign's response for the last few days. many students felt like it was a valuable course. but so far here at this event, trump has not addressed the trump university case. it's interesting to hear him mention over the last couple days that he could have settled this case, and he could have put it to bed. and he has chosen not too. this is really the kind of thing that could continue to dog him throughout the campaign, especially if people continue to turn up more documents related to the case. >> sara murray live on the
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campaign trail with donald trump this evening. if anything happens there, we'll get back to sarah. in the meantime, hillary clinton has some tough talk for donald trump today. here to discuss that is jeff zeleny. hillary clinton had a lot to say about trump university lawsuit today. what can you tell bus that? >> they were the most pointed and personal remarks we've heard her say yet about this. i mean she went after not only the program but calling himself, donald trump, a fraud. she used that word over and over. she was introduced in newark, new jersey, by jon bon jovi, sort of a light mood. and she went right into donald trump. this is something the campaign was not expecting, necessarily. they wanted to talk about other things this week. but, boy, this has landed in their laps and they are running with it. they believe it speaks to one of his strengths, his business acumen, and it has real faces, real voices, real people. but she went after him so aggressively, let's take a listen to how. >> trump and his employees took advantage of vulnerable americans, encouraging them to max out their credit cards,
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empty their retirement savings, destroy their financial futures, all while making promises they knew were false from the beginning. this is just more evidence that donald trump himself is a fraud. he he trying to scam america the way he scammed all those people at trump u. >> all those people at trump u. that's very important. we're going to see those people, a lot of victims that you've been reporting on, drew, in campaign ads and other things, making this case. now the question is does it matter? donald trump has been teflon so far but this is slightly different because there are real faces behind it. >> this is man na from heavy. this as you said landed in their laps. >> they're investigating this as
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much as anyone else is. they're trying to find newer details. but the question is, i mean, trump supporters won't be swayed by this, but they believe it may stop the expansion of trump's growth. for anyone out there who is thinking, you know what, he sounds okay. it's time to shake things up. they believe this could sort of slow his growth, and that's what they're trying to do right now. >> the documents unsealed by the judge reveal scathing remarks by a former sales manager from trump university. you've been investigating, drew. what did they say? >> you talk about man na from heaven, these declarations that were released today is what hillary clinton built her speech on. these are quotes from those very documents that were released today. and why are they damning is because they do come from trump university workers themselves, people who work at the school. consider this from a sales manager. he writes this in his declaration. they preyed upon the elderly and uneducated to separate them from their money, and this person resigned because, i believe that trump university was engaging in misleading, fraudulent, and dishonest conduct. corrine summers, a former sales
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manager. i recall that some consumers had showed up who were homeless and could not afford the seminars. yet i overheard trump university representatives telling them, it's okay. just max out your credit card. these are declarations from former trump university employees. now, the trump people came out right away and said, look, these people were disgraced and discredited in depositions. however, those depositions we're not going to release because this is heading to trial. >> they're saying there are other people who were very happy with trump university. that's what the campaign is saying. >> and they're very well may be. i mean obviously some people may have gone on from this. the question doesn't seem to be if you have ten people that failed and ten people that, you know, were successful. does that mean a fraud? there's a fraud allegation here that what was promised and what was delivered are two different things. that's why these three cases are moving forward here in new york, two in california. >> when will they go to court? what's the timeline? >> it looks like the earliest could be november 28th, which
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would be after the election. but i'm telling thus cases have been going on for years, don. a lot of playing going on legally to delay, delay, delay and try to bleed out the plaintiffs, i believe, in this case. >> let's talk about the campaign trail because hillary clinton and bernie sanders are battling it out in california. let's put up the poll here. this is a new nbc news/"wall street journal" poll and it shows clinton has a two-point lead over sanders there. how important do you think does this clinton campaign think california is to their efforts right now? >> pretty important. that's why she is flying out there tomorrow and spending the next five days in california. in a matter of delegates, they don't need the delegates. she will effectively clinch the nomination with pledged, and the promise of super delegates, even though sanders supporters don't want to count super delegates until the summer. but on next tuesday, she will clinch it. but the question is if she is going to run through the finish line or limp through the finish line. and a loss in california, 475 electoral votes, would make her a wounded candidate. that's why she is campaigning
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across california starting tomorrow through next tuesday. >> but bernie sanders is now saying that he's going to campaign those super delegates to try to get them to change, right? >> he is. and it's a tough argue. an easier argument if he wins california. he can say, look, i am the more electable candidate here. there are still some things coming out about her, but the reality is we're seeing the party circle -- starting to circle the wagons. senator harry reid tonight told the associated press after next week, bernie needs to look at the math. and the president, he said the same thing as well. beginning next week, it's time to sort of, you know, get on with this. >> speaking of the president, he spoke out about the democratic race today. let's listen to that. >> i think that there's been a healthy debate in the democratic party, and it's almost over. on tuesday, you'll have some big states, california and new jersey, where the votes will take place. what i've tried to do is to make sure that voters rather than me
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bigfooting the situation or deciding the outcome. i think we'll probably have a pretty good sense next week of who the nominee will end up being. i think both bernie sanders and hillary clinton are good people. i think that they broadly share the goals that i have. there's some tactical differences within the democratic party about how do you get stuff done. but there's going to be plenty of time for me to step in and campaign. >> seems like he's ready to get out there, but the question is even if bernie sanders is saying i'm going all the way to the convention, if he does, can we expect an endorsement before the convention or -- >> we absolutely can. he spoke in the past tense there. he said, what i've tried to do is be neutral with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, not what i'm trying to do. look for the president to make some type of a move as early as next week. he'll be out campaigning.
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they think it's so critical. if bernie sanders decides to go to the convention, senior white house advisers say that the president feels no obligation to remain on the sidelines. he will get in this race before bernie sanders gets out. >> that would be interesting to watch, especially as we said, since bernie sanders said he's going all the way. and you said the president said that bernie sanders needs to start looking at the math. >> senator harry reid said that. the democratic leader said -- he said in an interview with erica warner from the associated press in nevada tonight that it's time to start looking at the math. so we're starting to see this happening here. now, these things are slow-going, but after next tuesday, i think they'll move much faster. >> thank you, gentlemen. i appreciate it. when we come right back. h, the man who says the real donald trump is nothing like the angry candidate on the campaign trail. what does trump really think about what he calls the dishonest media? if you have allergy congestion, muddling through your morning is nothing new.
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blasting the gop and donald trump today in indiana, and a source telling cnn the president is itching to fire up democrats for the fall election. let's discuss now. michael wolff is here. he's a columnist for the hollywood reporter whose cover story is titled the donald trump conversation, politics dark heart is having the best time anyone's ever had. that's an interesting title. also here with me is mark preston, executive editor for cnn politics. mark, president obama was out and he was talking about donald trump today, calling him an attention getter. let's listen to that. >> politicians get the most attention the more outrageous they sound, and so if you're civil and quiet and polite, nobody covers you. but if you say something crazy or rude, you're all over the news. and that has fed, i think, this
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kind of arms race of insults and controversy that doesn't shine a lot of light even though it generates a lot of heat. >> so do you think the president can get his share of attention campaigning against him? i mean you think that's going to help hillary clinton? >> yeah, no doubt on several different fronts. one as the commander-in-chief, eight years as the president, he can speak to having to deal with world leaders, and he can try to take trump down on trump's positions or how he's actually interacting or saying anything on foreign policy. second thing is he can raise money. the third thing is let's not forget how barack obama was elected president. he was elected president on the backs of the youth voters. young people coming out to support him as well as african-americans. now, what he can do with african-americans is get the number of african-americans out even higher than it possibly could be for hillary clinton, and he could also help build the bridges to these younger voters
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that bernie sanders has been able to woo during this democratic primary. >> do you think that maybe the president is the only person who can somehow make a dent when it comes to donald trump because he -- donald trump neutralized bill clinton, who was one of the most popular democrat outside of the president in the country. >> no, i think it's going to take a lot of people. it's going to take a corps of democrats to take him down. as we're talking about barack obama, it's really a package deal. it's joe biden trying to go to the rust belt states. it's michelle obama, who really is, you know, the secret weapon. it's jill biden, dr. jill biden, who is liked by democrats. elizabeth warren, bernie sanders, bill clinton, and whoever she picks as the veep. that's a lot of powerful surrogates that could be on the trail for hillary clinton. >> let's talk about donald trump, mr. wolff. i want to get this right. he has called the press disgusting and dishonest. he called a reporter a sleaze yesterday to his face. he has insulted republicans who don't support him. all of this while he's being sued for fraud. you just interviewed with him. fascinating interview in the
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hollywood reporter. the donald trump, conversation, politics, dark heart is having the best time anyone ever had. it's fascinating here. what do you think of the man? >> well, let me respond to something you were just talking about. >> sure. >> because i think the interesting thing here and the dividing line, the real issue is that donald trump is doing something that has never been done before in national politics at this level. he's saying, vote for someone who bears no resemblance, zero resemblance, to anything we have grown up thinking a politician, no less a president, should be. >> including barack obama. >> i am 100% different from every expectation that you have ever had. i'm not interested in doing what politicians do. i'm not interested really in policies. what i am interested in is a singular one thing, which is -- and the president referred to
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this as though it was a bad thing. i am interested only in holding your attention. >> mm-hmm. >> and i think that will ultimately fail, that it should fail. but it might not because it is -- i mean we've obviously seen it succeed over the course of this year in an astounding way. and that is really the real donald trump. i'm not interested in anything politicians are interested in. i'm interested in me and what you think of me. >> the only reason or the main reason you think it's going to succeed is because it could succeed is because it has so far? >> i mean i'm standing like everybody, like all of us standing on the sidelines with my jaw, you know, in my hands. >> yeah. so what did you make of him because i was surprised that you interviewed him in california, because he's such a new yorker, right? he's such an east coast figure. what did you make of him? >> i thought he was, you know,
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the donald trump we know, this angry, combative, hostile figure. well, it turns out he's not like that at all. he is quite the opposite. i don't think there's one angry strand in his -- in his makeup. he's one of the happiest guys i've seen in years. just fully enjoying what he has created here. >> okay. okay. so here's the thing. it's fascinating because i've interviewed him eight times, and i think at least three times in person. and he is what you say he is. he is quite, you know -- when you meet him, he's a very nice person. but then when he gets on the podium, when he gets up there onstage, he becomes something else or someone else, a performer, as if he is in "the apprentice" and he wants to be the apprentice himself. what is that? >> i would say that's it. he is a performer. he knows what the audience wants
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to hear, and he knows what the audience wants to hear in that particular moment. >> he's quite a bit insecure in my estimation in person because he brings his own poll numbers, right, and he shows you around. look at this. look at this. i think he's a bit insecure in person, and we all are. >> i think it is all about, i want you to like me. >> yes. >> and in a more public way, it's, i want your attention. i need -- whatever it is, he needs everything to be focused on him. it needs to be all about him. i could not get him to talk about hillary clinton, his opponent, because -- and it was very clear. it was like why are you talking about her when you're here to talk about me? >> about me. but if he showed that side, a bit of vulnerability, which you see when you meet him, do you think that would help because he has such high unfavorability numbers. and then vulnerability sometimes helps people to get to -- they feel like they are like you,
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human. >> yeah. i mean, look how he grew up. he grew up the son of a very successful developer right here in new york. he went out, followed in his father's footsteps, probably always in the shadow. had to try to overcome that himself. he is, you know, to your point very defensive, you know, when challenged. he in a cutthroat world here in new york city. but to your point, i think one of his biggest weaknesses is his inability to be contrite, to show some contrition. you know, if you go back to july of last year when he was asked have you ever asked god for forgiveness, which is the simplest thing in the world to answer, if you are a politician, and even if you don't believe in god, you say, sure, i do. and he, himself, could not do that. >> yeah. >> i disagree with this. i mean, you know, his thesis could ultimately be proved i don't know. but right now the thesis is, i am catering -- i'm catering to this, the television.
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this is what his -- i mean in this piece, i said his real party is the media. that's what he's working here. >> he doesn't hate the media as much as he says. he loves the media. he needs the media. >> as a matter of fact the interesting thing is more than any other politician that i know of, his roots are deep in the media. he knows all of your bosses. he knows every boss in the media. he knows every person who's important to him in the media business. he has a close relationship. >> and he knows what you're doing because he will remind me of certain stories or conversations that i've had on the air. >> so all of these other politicians are concerned about what's going on in washington and congress, in state houses. he has wiped that all away. not important. what's important is how the media works, and the media works with conflict. he'll deliver the conflict. >> the thing is, is that i don't
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think that he should be calling people sleazes, right? but, you know, listen, that's up to him. but, you know, sometimes don't you think the media is a little -- take themselves a little bit too seriously because if donald trump calls you out or whatever, it's kind of a badge of honor. he doesn't care. you just move on and it's over. >> we can't expect him to have a thick skin if us in the media don't have thick skins. but i would say this about how he's gotten to where he is right now, okay? we've never seen it before. however, we do know what's tried and true. we know what works to win political campaigns. he was working and appealing to a certain segment of the population that was very angry, and that was the republican party, conservative republicans. for him to win in a general election, he needs to broaden his appeal to independents, perhaps some disaffected democrats. and right now the way he's running his campaign, that's not going to happen. >> of course if he wins, we're going to look back and say, we looked at this in all of the
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traditional ways that political professionals look at a race. >> and we were wrong. >> can i talk to you about the issues because he's going to visit the u.k. there was this only thing about maybe banning him from the u.k. what about brexit, this debate over britain should leave the european union? >> i said to him -- i said, what about brexit? you know, brexit is the key issue in europe now. you cannot know anything about european politics if you don't know -- if you haven't heard the word "brexit." it's probably the most frequently used word in the british news media over the last six months. i said what about brexit? >> he said, huh? i mean really, as a reporter, sometimes your heart goes out to your subject, and you think, i got to save this guy. and i said, brexit. he says, mm.
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he obviously had no idea, had never heard this word, had been that removed from the whole discussion. then i said, you node, the move in britain to leave the european union. then he said, oh, yeah, they should leave. but it was that kind of disengagement from the issues at hand. and one would think that's going to be devastating to him, but i don't think it is. i actually think that it is -- he gets a free pass, and it kind of animates -- it speaks to the large part of the electorate who also are not interested in these issues. >> i had a conversation with 20-somethings about brexit the other night at dinner. millennials even know. thank you. fascinating article. everyone read it. up next, president obama tonight calling out donald trump. we're going to hear what he said.
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man 1: i need to call mike... man 2: don't use your phone. it's not just security, it's defense. bae systems. what's likely to be a preview of his role in the election, president obama seems to enjoy taking swipes at donald trump. here to discuss, maria cardona, a super delegate committed to
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hillary clinton. she thinks she's special because she's super. van jones, who worked in the obama administration. he thinks he's special because he worked in the obama administration. kay lee mcanorthwesteenacenany. and political director for president george w. bush. he's special because he worked for george w. bush. kayleigh, we're going to start with you. >> you're special too, don. >> thank you very much. more president obama on pbs tonight. listen. >> like the person you just mentioned, who i'm not going to advertise for, that he's going to bring all these jobs back. well, how exactly are you going to do that? what are you going to do? there's no answer to it. he just says, i'm going to negotiate a better deal. well, how exactly are you going to negotiate that? what magic wand do you have, and usually the answer is he doesn't have an answer. >> short on specifics. is the president right? >> i don't think so because, you
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know, people know trump as a job creator, if we talk about specific policies, biusinesses have been fleeing our country because there's an inhospitable business climate. there's going to be a consequence for leaving the country but taking advantage of the laws. so i think he has many specifics, and the president's a likable guy. i think he's going to be a big ally for hillary clinton, but he's going to have a lot of questions to answer on his own administration. >> do you think the trump campaign is ready for the commander-in-chief to come out swinging against him? >> i think they are ready. i think this will be hillary clinton's strongest part of her campaign is having president obama there. he's very likable. but wages have collapsed under his administration. there's still double-digit unemployment for millennials, for minorities. so he's got a lot of questions to answer. >> maria, president obama as campaigner in chief was on the road earlier in indiana today. listen to this. >> if we get cynical and just vote our fears or if we don't
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vote at all, we won't build on the progress that we started. we've got to come together around our common values, our faith and hard work, our faith in responsibility, our belief in opportunity for everybody. we've got to assume the best in each other, not the worst. we've got to remember that sometimes we all fall on hard times, and it's part of our job as a community of americans to help folks up when they fall. because whatever our differences, we all love this country. we all care about our children's futures. that's what makes us great. that's what makes us progress and become better versions of ourselves. >> so, maria, even the president's staunchest opponents have said he is a great campaigner. is this exactly what hillary clinton needs? >> absolutely, it is. and even just now, don, what he was talking about, it did have a
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very direct impact and contrast to how donald trump talks about this country. i thought it was brilliant what he was saying. he was on fire. he was, you know, really focused on what the positive attributes of this country are versus donald trump, who likes to talk down this country, who likes to divide us, who focuses and preys on people's fears, on their bigotry, focuses as an end game on their exas peration without offering any inspiration. that is not what a leader does. i think president obama going out on the stump and focusing on the fact that this country is great and, guess what, all of the people in it are what make it great is going to be a great contrast for hillary clinton. >> as you said what you said, in stereo you guys shook your heads no, and you were like uh-uh. why? >> no. i mean come on. this is absurd. the fact is that obama is the uniter, and somehow donald trump is our republican nominee is the divider. that's the narrative they want. but the fact is let me tell you
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how i feel under president obama. i don't feel very much like my views are respected. i don't feel like if you're a person of faith, that your first amendment rights are as respected as they should be. i think it's positively absurd that we're going after the little sisters of the poor. i think there's a lot of disturbing trends on what's happened in this obama pregive agenda, and i don't think americans actually feel like they're loved and they're respected by this agenda. i actually think there's a lot of people who feel out in the cold and i think donald trump is appealing to a lot of them. >> van jones, do you think this administration has ignored certain people, certain voices and does matt have a point? maybe donald trump has picked up on that and have included those people. >> well, i think it's definitely the case that if you listen to right-wing radio, if you watch another station which i won't advertise for, there definitely has been a drum beat that somehow america has been taken away from you, and you're being left out. and i think that there's some real pain out there.
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i think it's economic pain. i think there's some uncertainty out there, and i think that trump has tapped into that. so has bernie sanders. >> do you think that's a talking point that certainly people have been left out? you think it's perception rather than reality? >> look, i think that when president obama does reach out, it's often ignored in those media sources. and he reaches out quite often. if he makes any mistake, it's actually blown up in those forces. so there's a distortion effect there. but i want to point out very clearly is what you just saw from president obama was extraordinary. ordinarily when you're talking about going from the end of the clinton administration and then gore trying to run, you want to separate yourself from the president. mccain separated himself from w. this is the first time in my adult lifetime i've seen somebody saying, i want a third term. hillary says i'm running for a third term. usually that's suicide. but the reason that it's not this time is because of the exceptional communication skills that obama has. he has not been able to reach out to everybody, but he's reached out to a very big coalition of people who have
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previously felt left out. i think he's doing a brilliant job of that. >> stand by, everyone. everyone will get a chance to talk when we come right back. hillary clinton hammering donald trump, calling him and trump university a fraud. will her attacks and the lawsuits filed against him do serious damage to his campaign or nothing at all? we'll be right back. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me
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i used to like that song. i think it's fair to say the gloves are off for donald trump and hillary clinton, but both candidates are dealing with some bad news this week. back with me now to discuss, maria cardona, van jones, kayleigh mcenany. this is a new poll. it is hillary clinton leading donald trump by only two points. it's not great news for her, but it's probably good news for him. you say it's going to take both the clintons, both obamas, and both sanders to beat trump. so what's your first reaction to this poll? >> well, i think the people have to take a look at, listen, all we heard from september until very recently was, oh, my god, if donald trump is nominated, he's going to get 2% of the vote in mississippi. and other than that, every other state is going to vote for
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democrats. it's going to be the end of the republican party. and it turns out all that was not exactly right. >> i think you said that on this program. >> yeah, you did say that. >> hold on. hold on. i said that in september. but even i, by october -- by october, i was starting to back up. don, you're just mad because you got it right early and got beat up. you got it right early. you got beat up. but a lot of people were stuck on this narrative until very recently. so i just want to say, listen, i think her numbers will improve as soon as this primary settles down. but everybody who said that as soon as he's nominated, the republican party is going to collapse, you got to take that back now because that's not what's happening, at least so far. >> let's talk about it. what i want to know, kayleigh, what happened to -- you remember when he was on the hill a couple of weeks ago meeting with paul ryan. then in an interview with sean hannity, he said, i don't need endorsements. so what happened to the party coalescing or unifying the
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party? >> that's true because he realizes the voters are behind him. "the new york times"/cbs poll says 80% of republican voters are behind him. also you look at the quinnipiac poll. what's so interesting, donald trump actually got more democrats than hillary clinton got republicans. so if does appear the voters are coalescing. he just doesn't think he need endorsements. and, van, you have been saying for months that donald trump is a serious candidate and he will be a contender. to your credit, you've been saying that. >> matt, he needs the establishment. doesn't he need the establishment to help bring the parties together? >> this could be a tight race. it's better if he gets every conceivable vote he can. it's better if his team is more unified than less unified. it's going to be better for this money he has to raise if the major establishment donors are on board, it's all better. but here's the fact. in the end, he's running against washington. he's running against a lot of these politicians, including republicans who have been in office a long time. he's running against washington, d.c., and washington, d.c. is having a hard time digesting him for that very reason. >> but in the general, he needs
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delegates. he needs those people on his side. >> that's right. >> it's not a popularity contest when it comes to that. >> the difference is he needs to continue to say that he's going to be different from the way republicans have been doing business, and he needs to continue to pull over independents, which i think he's going to be quite stout on. >> i want to talk about some of the controversy. there was an analysis by usa today. it found there have been 3,500 legal actions by and against donald trump over the past three decades. 70 have been just in the past year since he declared his candidacy. no other presidential candidate has had that kind of litigious background. do you think this is worse for someone who is vying for the office or do you think -- >> i'm told by my rich friends that when you're rich, a lot of people sue you. i don't know how you quantify that. this is the richest person that's ever run for president. he's in a lot of different businesses, and my guess is that he's the kind of guy that doesn't just roll over easy in legal battles. i think that's one of the character traits that people want. but the fact is, is this.
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he's running for president. it's an open system, and everybody is going to go through all these court cases. if they're delicious little nuggets, we're going to be talking about them. >> maria, as everyone knows now, one of those legal fights is trump university. we have been discussing it ad nauseam here. hillary clinton tweeted and re-tweeted about trump university at least 18 times today, including this re-tweet from mitt romney nonetheless. he says, here's what i know. donald trump is a phony, a fraud. his promises are as worthless as a degree from trump university. he calls her crooked. she calls him a fraud. i mean why does she have to continue to prove that she isn't crooked? what does she have to do? >> well, i think there's a big difference that we have to talk about here in contect. you know, she does have issues with trust and honesty, and i think the e-mail issue certainly hasn't helped her. but here's the issue. with the e-mails, she didn't hurt anybody. she did not go out and, on purpose, try to defraud people
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out of their life savings. she did not focus and target the most vulnerable out there to essentially sell them a lie, which is what the allegations are not just in this one lawsuit, but there are two more just like it. and i think this is just the beginning of uncovering exactly what kind of businessman donald trump was and what we are seeing so far is not a pretty picture. in a general electorate, which is very different from the primary electorate that he had to face -- >> she said she didn't want people seeing her personal e-mails, so setting up a server. it has not been litigated and we don't know what the motivation is until she's under oath. van, i have to ask you about this former state department i.t. specialist who was involved in setting up and maintaining hillary clinton's private e-mail server plans to invoke the fifth amendment in a deposition next week. the staffers have already accepted an immunity deal with
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the fbi. how bad is this for her quickly, please? >> i think it's bad. i'm proud of hillary clinton, though, for apologizing and saying that she was wrong. i haven't heard donald trump apologize very often or say he was wrong very often. but she was wrong on this. she said it. it's not good for her. i wish she hadn't done it, and so does she. >> when we come back, hillary clinton and bernie sanders do battle in california. will sanders take the fight all the way to the convention? yeah. there are two billion people who don't have access to basic banking, but that is changing. at temenos, with the microsoft cloud, we can enable a banker to travel to the most remote locations with nothing but a phone and a tablet. everywhere where there's a phone, you have a bank. now a person is able to start a business, and employ somebody for the first time. the microsoft cloud helped us to bring banking to ten million people in just two years. it's transforming our world.
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hillary clinton and bernie sanders are battling it out in california. back with me, maria cardona, van jones, kayleigh mcenany and matt schlapp. is bernie sanders going all the way to the convention? of course he is. every surrogate who has been on said he is going. there is a new poll saying a very tight race in california on tuesday. you think a lot of sanders voters aren't being polled and are being insulted and patronized? why do you think that? >> well, no, no. i think a couple things. one is i think that this race is going to be a lot tighter than people thought. certainly even a month ago. but a couple of factors here. one is all the bernie people here are going to vote. i happen to be in oakland for game seven -- go dubs -- for
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game serve. >> oh, lord. >> and i happened to run into a massive crowd of people i thought were in oakland to see game seven. they were there for bernie sanders. so they're all going to go vote. hillary clinton's people may not vote as strong even though she's got a lot of support. also i think his people may not be getting polled. young people, people on cell phones. so i think it could be a surprise there. what i was saying about some of them feeling either patronized or insulted is that same problem we're having of getting the party unity. that stuff can get resolved and will get resolved. but don't be surprised if he does better than people think next week. >> quickly, what about his strategy of trying to woo these super delegates away in the meantime? >> i think it's kind of hypocritical because he said the whole time the super delegates when the enemy and the man, and they were the system, and now he's trying to rely on them to save him. i love everybody, but that
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doesn't make any sense. >> matt, this is for you. this is what bernie sanders had to say today about the upcoming primaries. >> if we win california and if we win south dakota and north dakota and montana and new mexico and new jersey, well, i think we will be -- and the following week do well in washington, d.c., i think we will be marching into the democratic convention with an enormous amount of momentum. >> he says that. van jones said what he said. but even if she loses california, she's still going to be the nominee. so what happens to the momentum of her campaign then? >> you know, as she says, she's got math at her side. there's no joy, there's no embrace. this is ending with a thud. this is not love and unity. this is like, we got to go with her, i guess. and, you know, i think it's got to be incredibly discouraging for her and dispiriting for her
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campaign that even as everybody in the democratic realizes she's the nominee, they won't even like giveer a nice sendoff into the convention. they're going to humiliate her. >> you're stealing my question. listen, here's what the conventional wisdom is. halfway through, you know, tuesday, before the polls even closed, she will have probably clinched the nomination. but yet and still, bernie sanders will still be in the race. it's kind of like happy birthday, but you can't blow out the candles. so maria? >> you know what, and that's fine because at the end of the day, she will be the nominee, and we will have party unity. and bernie sanders supporters and hillary clinton supporters will work together, will take some time. you know, both candidates are going to have to do their part. hillary clinton is going to have to reach out to bernie supporters. no question about that. but what i think everybody is going to understand is the biggest mobilizer and the big uniter for democrats is going to be the possibility of donald trump setting foot in the white house as commander-in-chief.
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so regardless of what happens in unity after philadelphia, and we will go on to win the white house. >> is donald trum going to take some of those bernie democrats? >> absolutely. you're going to see him -- >> did you say hell yeah? >> union voters that care about their jobs -- >> van, are you weighing in? are you at least going to make it a tie or no. >> i think that's overstated but after the break, we can come back and fight about it some more, i bet. >> whatever. when we come right back, the billionaire who questions whether donald trump is really worth as much as he says. plus the debate rages after a child slips into a gorilla's enclosure, and the gorilla is killed. who's to blame, and should the zoo -- should zoos, i should say, be banned? ept coming back on my long-term control medicine. i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment with breo. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled
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the battle for california. there you see right there, bernie sanders about to speak to supporters. those are live pictures. we're going to keep an eye on that for you. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. hillary clinton and bernie sanders battling for the heart and soul of the democratic party, with the california primary just days away. meanwhile, donald trump battles critics who call trump university a scandal. plus a mother desperate to save her child. the 3-year-old face to face with a 450-pound gorilla. >> be


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