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that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts right now. the breaking news, hillary clinton and bernie sanders vow to fight for every last vote in tomorrow's primary despite reports she has reached the magic number to clinch the democratic nomination. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. this on the day that donald trump doubles down on his criticism of the judge presiding over his trump university case saying that he won't apologize and insisting they back him up. democrats having a field day with this. >> trump doesn't want you to pay attention to what this case is revealing so he is attacking the judge and saying outrageously that the judge who is of mexican
heritage cannot serve fairly over his case. >> to attack a judge because he is of mexican heritage, a man born in the state of indiana, this is a candidate of one of the large political -- major political parties in this country. it is really quite incomprehensible into meanwhile, we're learning tonight that president barack obama and bernie sanders spoke by phone on sunday. let me give you one guess as to what they talked about. cnn's brianna keilar is with the clinton campaign in los angeles. can you respond to this breaking news despite the news that hillary clinton has enough delegates, she's campaigning hard in california. what is she saying? >> reporter: she's walking a fine line. this primary isn't quite over. she's not saying mission accomplished. in fact, it's the last event that she was in long beach, our very persistent and producer
says i asked seven times on the rope line about these reports. she heard but did not respond once. listen to what she said at the event not getting into it too much. >> according to the news, we are on the brink of a historic, historic, unprecedented moment. but we still have work to do, don't we? we have six elections tomorrow and we're going to fight hard for every single vote, especially right here in california. >> reporter: so you boil that down to hillary clinton saying this isn't over and part of that is because very important primaries tomorrow, including california, don, where there is a huge delegate hall of 475 delegates. she wants to win here because if she loses, it's not exactly a way to protect strength going
into the general election. a statement coming out from her campaign sort of saying this middle of the road thing that we've been talking about that she's been saying this is an important milestone but six states are voting on tuesday with 6 million people heading to the polls and hillary clinton is working to earn every vote. we look forward to tuesday night when hillary clinton will clinch not only a win in the popular vote but also the majority of pledged delegates. so they are not saying it's over definitely at this point, don. >> they don't want to affect the vote negatively or positively. bernie sanders, is he showing any signs of giving up? >> reporter: no, not at all. in fact, this statement coming out from his campaign says it is unfortunate that the media in a rush to judgment are ignoring the democratic national committee's clear statement that it is wrong to count the votes of superdelegates before they actually vote at the convention this summer because these reports do take into account the superdelegates, these party officials and elected officials as well as those pledged delegates which come from voters voting in the states.
so you're looking at bernie sanders still vowing that he's going to the convention. that is late july. if you listen to his campaign manager, he has said this all along. but i've also talked to other aides and advisers to bernie sanders. one at one point said he wants to allow everyone to have a chance to vote that wants to vote and that in this aide's estimation would be to go to the washington, d.c., primary which is the last time that democrats will have a chance to vote in this primary season. that's a week from tomorrow. >> okay. brianna, sources are telling us that president barack obama is poised to endorse secretary clinton. what do we know about that? >> reporter: well, the white house seems to be signaling that it could come soon but not quite yet. today josh earnest, his spokesman, was asked about this. what he said that was pretty interesting was he said, look, there are still people who are going to be casting their votes in new jersey and california, among other states. he said the president isn't going to weigh in until those
voters have had their say but that's right around the corner. so it's looking like it could come sooner rather than later. >> brianna keilar in los angeles where it is still daylight. thank you very much, brianna. appreciate it. now i want to bring in cnn sara murray with the latest on the trump campaign. you're in washington where it is 10:05 eastern time. donald trump is doubling down on his trump university case and telling his reporters to do the same thing. what's the latest on that? >> that's right, don. some folks were on the call and said it sort of started as a way for donald trump to explain why he's been going after this judge, explain the trump university case but tended up to many on the call to join him in the criticism and create an echo chamber in terms of his own supporters going after the judge saying that he's been unfair and essential essentially supporting his argument that his mexican heritage makes him unfit to
preside over this trial and this comes at a time when many prominent republicans are trying to distance themselves from donald trump over these exact remarks. don? >> sara, a number of trump allies are speaking out about trump's latest attacks. who are they and how is trump responding to them? >> well, name your republican. it feels like pretty much everyone in an elected position has been critical. paul ryan, mitch mcconnell, and marco rubio said he predicted something like this would happen. john kasich called for an apology. a criticism from newt gingrich seems to be one that really stung donald trump. he talked about it privately and publicly on this call. he said he was disappointed to see gingrich come out and say that he muddied the water. he's a potential vp pick for donald trump. as we know, trump really prizes loyalty above all else.
to see this kind of criticism coming from someone he felt was close to him, a supporter of him, seems to have really stung. >> lindsey graham said this is the most unamerican thing from a politician since joe mccarthy. >> we have not heard from governor chris christie, because he's a former u.s. attorney and a very prominent booster of trump and one of the first really prominent republicans to throw his support behind donald trump when people were fighting through had hard fought primary. he's supposed to be doing a precedent tomorrow in new jersey. we'll see when voters are heading to the polls. right now it's obvious silence in the mix. >> sara murray, thank you. i want to bring in scottie nell hughes, a supporter of donald trump, a political editor of rightalert.com. good evening. pleasure to have you on.
you were on this conference call. we hear trump was defiant and instructed his supporters not to back down on his criticism of that judge. what can you tell us about that? >> don, he was not defiant at all. he was actually very happy and in a great mood, very informative, as he always is. he was great. there was nothing defiant in mr. trump's tone and nothing out of character. this is a fabricated story. >> he instructed people on the call not to back down, not necessarily his tone but defiant in that he's going to stick to his guns. >> oh, i mean, mr. trump always sticks to his guns. he's a man of his word and a man who stands by his beliefs and his values and the people that work for him like myself, he knows that that's the kind of people that we all are and we he would expect us to do the same. >> did he instruct the surrogates to criticize the judge and not back down from the story? >> not at all. this was a very informative
meeting. one i was very, very happy that he did. that he held. a lot of the people on the call are not a paid staffer like myself so i'm sure that's who ran to the press to tell the story that is getting all of these legs. but really, the bottom line here, don, is mr. trump is a man who will not back down if he is right. and this was a case that should have never went to trial or gone to trial or getting ready to go to trial. this is a situation that this is a scam. this suit is all a big scam. >> okay. >> the lady, the plaintiff who is -- >> i don't want to litigate this case. i just want to talk about the call. scottie, same thing to you. >> yeah. >> did he instruct people not to back down and to criticize the judge -- continue to criticize the judge? >> absolutely not. let's talk about how this call started. this call came from days ago. i first got the e-mail last week that he was going to do this call, a typical surrogate phone
call that happens with campaigns. it was under the premonition to say thank you, we are about to see this week, the democrats have their nominee, barack obama endorse and i think mr. trump wanted to say thank you for all of the hard work that we've taken and gone out there and fighting for him for the past year. that's basically where this was and the thought that this was just based on trump university is absolutely ludicrous. we discussed a variety of different things. mr. trump did not just focus on trump university. we talked about his foreign policy and a lot of people throwing in different comments, different points that they had made on various topics. >> in the interest of time, let's get to the point of this, to the meat of this about this bloomberg -- the first report. campaign memo went out last night urging surrogates to steer clear of talking about the judge only for trump to say, quote, take that order and throw it the hell out. did he say that, tana? >> did he say throw that order out? yes, absolutely he did. because he is the boss and he
made the decision that after the phone conversation that he had with all of us, we all had enough information to go on national television and international tv like your show is and to educate very eloquently and very precisely say exactly what the bottom line is on the trump university case. >> okay. point taken. so scottie, bloomberg also reported that governor jan brewer along with governor scott brown expressed frustration that the campaign needs to get on the same page. is that part true? >> that is not true. they were frustrated because they want to talk about policy and go on the offense against hillary clinton and it seems time and time again we are not getting asked those questions by the media. i think to the point of tana, the whole thing about mr. trump saying, you know what, throw that out, once you look at the facts in the case, just like newt gingrich did, i saw sara's report, now that i've looked at the facts of the case, mr. trump is right, this needs to be
thrown out and publicly go on the report and say the trump university case has no -- should not even be tried right now. >> okay. >> once you look at the details like -- >> we're talking here about the allegations and what he said about this judge. i'm going to ask you -- and you can answer first, scottie, the bloomberg article quoted trump saying this about the media. the people asking the questions, those are the racists, i would go at them. >> did he say that? >> i can't remember that specific comment being made. >> tana, do you remember that comment being made? >> no. i know mr. trump and i know that mr. trump is not a racist. in the conversation that he had with all of us on the phone, it was very obvious that this was a man who does not see color and he does not care about color. he loves everyone. >> did anyone insinuate on the call or donald trump specifically that you should go after the media for asking if
this was racist, that the media was, in fact, racist? >> no. >> don, i think the question was don't be afraid to call out the media. don't be afraid to point back the points that we're giving you right now, the fact is that this is based on a biased media -- >> just for a direct answer, he never said the people who are asking the questions are racist? >> no. >> no, he never said that. >> great. that's all i'm asking. scottie, dr. ben carson tweeted out this criticism. "every human being is an individual first rather than a member of an identity group." take a listen to this. >> 1/16th mexican blood, this is unbelievable. he is getting worse. not better. >> i think it's inexcusable. he has every right to criticize a judge and first of all this
judge was born in indiana. is he an american. period. >> i couldn't disagree more with a statement like that. >> is it a racist statement? >> i couldn't disagree more with what he had to say. >> okay. but why -- do you think it's a racist statement to say? >> i don't agree with what he had to say. >> it's reasoning i don't relate to. i don't agree with that. >> it's inappropriate, wrong, offensive. i hope he stops. >> okay. so all of you guys come on and say there's nothing wrong with it, all of them have endorsed donald trump or supported him as a presumptive nominee. what are they getting wrong about this and about donald trump? scottie? >> you know, i think it's interesting that we're sitting here saying that judges cannot be questioned and bias cannot be
questioned. you had justice -- >> the question is, what are they getting wrong about donald trump? >> sitting here and jumping publicly and saying -- these are folks -- the rest of them are just now getting on the trump train. these are folks -- and we don't expect them to agree 100%. what i do expect them to do, though, instead of going out and sitting in front of the camera and tearing him apart, something that the democrats don't do, call mr. trump first and say, i don't necessarily agree with your approach. don't do it to publicly try to destroy the front-runner of the gop. what good does that do? maybe in this case they need to take a lesson from the democrats and take a lesson from behind closed doors. >> he would not support the nominee of the gop and then he, of course, mentions reince priebus. ronald regular gampb's son says his father would not subpoeppor donald trump as a nominee.
>> i don't know him so i can't make a guess on that. but a lot of republican leaders are coming out and saying all of these things about mr. trump is, most politicians run from the issues, don. mr. trump does not run from the issue, especially when he knows he's right, such as the case in trump university. when they have the media on them or when they should have scrutiny or eyes on them, they will cower and retreat and say, you're right, i'll retract my statement. mr. trump knows he's right and he's defending himself and that's what a lot of the media and a lot of the politicians are having a hard time with, because they know in themselves they would actually back down and go, okay, you know, this is obviously causing some waves. i better back down. mr. trump is a man of strength and courage and that is why the american voters are voting for him and want him so badly in the white house. >> i'm going to ask you a question similar to one that my
colleague jake tapper asked mr. trump earlier. when he says this judge can't do his job because of race, he said is that not the definition of racism? it is the definition of racism. so how does one defend that? how do you defend that? scottie? >> it's not about race. it's about activism. it's a wonderful thing. it's about his activism and we've already talked about a different organization but he's already an hispanic prosecutors. he has a track record of activism and those are things that are said about some of the things that those organizations. >> scottie, what is the difference between being -- being on a woman lawyer group, a part of that, african-american lawyers group or any other lawyers group that has to do with someone's gender or race or background or organization that they belong to in college? there's probably a fraternity.
we were fraternity brothers in college. people belong to groups of all different kinds. how is that any different? >> because it's the idea of perceived bias at this point and that's what we're talking about. >> exactly. >> perceived bias. >> exactly. >> and it's obvious this judge has a track record of going against policies that mr. trump is promoting. so it's obviously there. i think it's an ethical standard that this judge has not himself recused. >> why not just say that instead of saying because the person is mexican? >> well, and that would have been probably a good choice of words but mr. trump was a private citizen. he's transitions right now into being a public servant which means he has to -- he might not choose the correct -- >> i think you're getting to something. why not just say i was inartful or inarticulate on that point and what i should have said was this? >> because i don't care what the issue, for the last nine months it's to get mr. trump to apologize and that's the goal right now to break him, so much that he apologizes and the truth
if they see that on the left or the never trump folks see it as a success. i agree. maybe he might come down the line. the only thing i've seen mr. trump apologize for is not -- he's standing solid. >> i've got to let you go. you know the saying, it takes a big person to apologize. >> i agree. >> he's a big person, trust me. >> scottie, tana, thank you. got a lot of ground covered. when we come back, a top republican who said he'd rather give up the white house for the next four years than see donald trump elected. we'll be right back.
many top republicans upset about the comments by donald trump about the trump university lawsuit. thank you, mr. secretary, for joining me. >> thank you. >> let's start with donald trump, what he said about this judge. he's doubling down and says there will be zero apologies and you heard two of his surrogates earlier saying he doesn't need to apologize. what's your reaction? >> well, with one statement, he shattered the essence of what this country is about, that you don't judge someone on the basis of where their parents came from or their ancestors or even them. and i'm disappointed that more republicans have not come out. this is not about party or republican or democrat. it's about the country, it's about who we are, it's about our
values and it's not a time to be silent. and i think those republicans who come out and speak and say this is not the republican party are those who will be treated favorably by history and those who remain silent i think will be doing a terrible damage to the party. donald trump has had a tactical victory by winning the nomination. >> yeah. >> and this could be a terrible strategic defeat for the party. >> there are a number of republicans coming out and arnold schwarzenegger, as you know, actually appointed judge curiel to the bench in the first place. he tweeted out, "judge curiel is an american hero who stood up to the mexican cartels. i was proud to appoint him when i was governor." why are so many republicans compelled to speak out against the nominee in this case? >> well, because they are bigoted and they are racist and just -- it is not what a
republican does. you know, i've been a republican -- >> he's saying -- pardon me. he's saying they are not racist, they are not bigoted at all. >> of course he is. but if i were thinking about donald trump, i think what we should think about, the country, two things. what does a man like that do with power? and the second thing is, what is the collateral damage? what does a mexican-american parent tell their little boy or girl when they ask why donald trump talks about mexicans with such disdain? what does an african-american parent tell their children when they ask why did donald trump call that man my african-american as if he owned him? let's go back a little further, don. what does a p.o.w. tell their children who see him as a hero because he spent three careers in a hell hole for his country, what does he tell his children when they said, mr. trump
doesn't think you're a hero? and it goes on and on. what does a mother tell her daughter when she asks what did he mean when he said that to megyn kelly during the debates? there's a pattern here, don. and we need to see it and we need to grab ahold of it. this is too important to remain silent. >> there is stinging criticism coming from former south carolina senator lindsey graham. as you know, they ran against each other. take this however you will. want to read this and i don't know if you'll go this far but what you think of it. he said to "the new york times," "this is the most unamerican thing from a politician since joe mccarthy. if anybody was looking for an off ramp, this is probably it. there will come a time when the love of country will trump hatred of hillary." what do you make of that? >> look, i think lindsey graham is a man who speaks his heart and i agree with what he said. i think this is totally
unamerican. i think it's taking us back decades and decades. this is the kind of thing that, again, it's the collateral damage. does this -- >> but mccarthy, is that too tough? >> of course -- no. mccarthy went after one aspect. trump has gone after women, he's gone after hispanics, he's gone after african-americans, muslims, p.o.w.s. i don't know what's left, don. he's insulted women. this is not the republican party. >> before you go, i want to make sure we get this in. this is the brother of judge curiel. he says trump was speaking from ignorance. let's listen to this. >> i don't think he's strictly an outright racist like some of your ku klux klan, those kind of people really are racist and they have no redeeming qualities. trump is not that caliber of person but he is very, very
uninformed. >> do you agree with his brother? is trump uninformed or is he racist? >> i think it's a wise comment. either he's a racist or he's not really smart. >> or a political gain? >> political gain? i don't know. but there's a pattern and that pattern suggests racism. the comment my african-american, i can't see that clip, don. it hurts too much. it's too embarrassing. >> mr. secretary, i have to go. i have to take a break. thank you. i appreciate you coming on. >> thank you. up next, newt gingrich may have just lost his chance to be on the trump short list of running mates. we're going to tell you why. in. when you airbnb, you have your own home. so, live there. even if it's just for a night.
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tana, welcome back. i want you to hear donald trump's response this morning. >> this is one of the worst mistakes trump has made. i think it's inexcusable. he's an american, period. >> i thought it was inappropriate what he said. >> so how upsetting were those comments to the campaign? did donald trump talk about it today on that call? >> he did not, don. i'm glad you're bringing that up because a lot of the outlets are saying that he was talking about newt and newt is no longer a vp candidate. newt's name never came up at all on the conference call today with mr. trump. >> so michael, in an interview taped earlier this afternoon, donald trump told bill o'reilly that he didn't care that the judge was of mexican heritage. listen. >> do you regret making it personal with the judge? >> look, i've had very, very unfair decisions. people said this should have
gone away a long time ago in summary judgment. the defendant in the case was a horror show from the other side so they asked if the defendant get out -- the plaintiff in the case was an absolute disaster for them and they asked whether or not -- they went to the judge, asked whether or not the plaintiff could get out of the case. she said all great things about the school. she has a tape of her saying great things and she has a written statement signed by her saying great things and the judge dismissed her from the case but left the case stand. we thought we were going to win the case. i don't care if the judge is mexican or not. i'm going to do great with the mexican people because i provide jobs. but we're being treated very unfairly, bill. very, very unfairly. >> what's going on here, michael? why the change in tone? >> i think probably because of the criticism that you've been airing all night long here. but look, the point is that donald trump's lawyers had every opportunity to ask for the
recuse sal of the judge for several times, for months now if not longer. the judge has been on the case for a few years. and they have not done so. and as we report in yahoo! tonight, we have exclusive video, which i think you've got, of daniel, trump's chief lawyer, just a month ago saying that the judge is doing his job, he's got no plans to ask for a recusal. >> let me play it, michael. >> please do. >> here it is. >> yeah, sure. >> the charges against him have no merit and he will testify and he will tell the truth and the jury will decide the case. >> you have no plans to ask the judge to recuse himself. can you talk about that? >> the judge is doing his job and we're not seeking to recuse the judge. we're trying to assert our rights and i think the court
today has a job of trying to balance out the competing interests. he made the decision we prefer to do trial later in time and set it november 28th but it was preferable before the election. so, anyway, i've got to run right now. >> how does this affect -- this doesn't help his case, does it, michael? >> it's actually pretty remarkable because there's the chief lawyer for the case saying the judge is doing his job. and actually, you know, this came right after a decision by judge curiel just a month ago that was a huge break for donald trump. the plaintiffs in the trump university case had asked for a trial during the summer. this is a six-year-old case. they said justice delayed is justice denied. we want our trial now. that would have been right after the republican convention, rights in the middle of the election. and judge curiel said, no, i'm not going to interfere with donald trump's plans to run for president. he set the trial for after the
election. a big break that the judge gave donald trump. >> all right. i need to get maria because she's been holding her tongue. but before you get to speak, i want you to listen to this. you know who else softened his tone? newt gingrich. listen. >> trump get mad at you, call you up? >> no. we're fine. look, we're both big boys. he's doing a great job overall. i deeply disagreed on one item. >> so -- >> he didn't want to be taken off that list, don. >> less than 24 hours. that's politics. >> he didn't want to be taken off this list, right? clearly that is the case. but look, this whole -- these last 48 hours have just been a complete circus. and what it underscores to me is that donald trump has absolutely zero strategy other than responding to whatever gets at his huge ego and whatever gets under his very thin skin. that is not the qualities we want in the president of the
united states. furthermore, what he has said in terms of accusing this judge of not being able to do his job because of his ethnicity is so corrosive and pernicious to our american values, that is why he's getting so much push back and why it's doing so much damage to the gop. my dad came here to the united states when i was 2 years old with $10 in his pocket and he always told me and my brothers that we could be whatever we wanted. well, guess what donald trump is saying. he is saying to my first generation latino children that they can't do that. that is not the kind of america we want to live today. >> tana, you can respond right after the break. we'll continue our discussion. don't go anywhere. we'll be right back. >> okay. is that a real thing? it's a great school, but is it the right the one for her? is this really any better than the one you got last year? if we consolidate suppliers what's the savings there? so should we go with the 467 horsepower? or is a 423 enough? good question. you ask a lot of good questions... i think we should move you into our new fund.
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in the gop tonight donald trump's criticism of the judge in the trump university case. back with me now, tana, maria and michael isikoff. maria said this was sending a terrible signal to latino children, especially first generation latino children. or second generation. >> what i was going to say, don, is mr. trump is the definition
of the american dream. he has employed thousands of people who are living out the american dream, working for an american icon. he has done more for more entrepreneurs than anyone i know in the business. he inspires people and gets followers behind him and learn from him and he mentors people like he mentored me. and you read his books and you learn from him and i have numerous, numerous stories of people who went to trump university and they are millionaires today. but we never talk about those stories. so the success stories of donald trump being the american dream is so inspiring, it inspires me every day to do better. >> you know what, tana, have him stay a businessman. he has no business running for president. because running for president -- >> he only wants to run for president -- >> running for president does not mean spewing the kind of
racist hatred that he has done from the moment he announced his presidency. it's fine, he's done all of these great things in his business hiring immigrants. let him stay in his lane. >> go ahead, michael. >> a couple of points, don. >> he would, but he needs to help our country. >> we don't need it. thanks. >> no, we do. the american people are saying we do. >> speak, michael. >> i think it's worth noting that a lot of people think that judge curiel embodies the american dream more than anybody. we're talking about a guy who was the son of mexican immigrants, his father was a steel worker in the mills in east chicago. his brother grows up, fights in vietnam. he goes to law school, becomes a federal prosecutor, risks his life prosecuting mexican drug cartels. they put a hit on him. he lived under federal protection for more than a year because one of the largest drug cartels in mexico ordered his assassination and he goes on to
become a federal judge. that seems to many people like an american success story. >> i could not agree more. >> and you know what -- >> can i just add one other point, that the point that i was trying to make before and i think a lot of people have raised here is, look, if judge -- if donald trump really felt that this judge was so unfair to him, he did have at remedy. he could have filed a motion for recusal and he chose not to and his lawyer chose not to. had he done so on the basis that donald trump because of his ethnic background, it almost would have certainly been denied because there's legal precedent that judges are not recused because of race, religion, gender. in fact, there's actually a case right on point in the same circuit in california, the judge wong walker, who ruled on the same-sex marriage case, the parties to that who were opposed
to same-sex marriage filed a motion a few years ago to have him recused because he was gay. and that went all the way up to the ninth circuit court of appeals and unanimously they ruled that's not a basis for a federal judge to recuse himself. you have to show real impartiality -- lack of impartiality. >> tana, if being on a case that involved something that has to do with latinos, if that was an issue, how could he successfully prosecute drug cartel members if that was an issue, his background and his race? >> bottom line is, don, mr. trump is going to build a wall. a wall that keeps mexican immigrants out of the country who are not coming in the proper way. this was a man of mexican heritage. that's the bottom line. we've covered this ground a million times. we all know -- well, i know and everybody that has gone to vote for mr. trump knows he is not a racist but we want to continue
this circle and -- >> that's racism, tana, what you just said -- >> that might be your definition of racism. >> no. it's by the majority of people. in that measure, then, in trump's world, bizarre world, a woman judge would not be able to litigate anything having to do with perhaps women not being paid equally in any one of trump's organizations or a disabled judge wouldn't be able to rule on anything having to do with a disabled person bringing a lawsuit. what kind of america is that? that's not the kind of america that we want to -- >> i think you can exchange any word. you can exchange black, white. >> absolutely. >> gay, hispanic. >> veterans. >> and just see how that -- >> p.o.w.s. >> someone who is black should not be able to sit on this because they will rule impartially. someone who is a woman. someone who is jewish. >> he was just showing the
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michael isikoff and maria cardona. this is what donald trump told me. >> i am the least racist person you have ever met. the least racist. >> are you bigoted? >> no, i don't think so. >> i'm a person who is very smart and have a street sense and know where things are going. >> tana, how do you respond to that? >> i couldn't agree with him more. that's the donald trump that he know and respect. i've seen him with all types of people and he doesn't see color or any of that. mr. trump generally loves people. all kinds of people. so that's him. that's exactly him. >> maria, explain what that means. >> so a couple years ago -- >> as to what he's saying. he's saying i'm not racist or
bigoted or any of that. >> here's the problem with what he's saying. we remember a couple of years ago when republicans were accusing president obama fundamentally wanting to change america? here we have a man who is such a disgrace in how he is portraying the kind of america that he wants that he fundamentally wants to change america. he wants to flip our american values on our head. the fact that this country was based on values that no matter who you were, where you came from, the color of your skin or economic background, if you worked hard and played by the rules, you can achieve anything and you can do anything. donald trump, with his hatred -- maybe he doesn't even know what he's doing, which is even i think a worse thing. if you're not aware of the effect that your word has on the people that you supposedly want to lead, that's even worse.
>> michael, here's the thing. there aren't many people who would admit they are racist unless you belong to a supreme group. do you think donald trump understands what racism is? >> look, i don't know and i certainly can't get into his heart and his head about how he feels. but what we do know, it was he who chose to raise judge curiel's ethnicity. it was he who chose to raise the fact that he was of mexican-american heritage calling him a mexican. had he just stuck to the rulings in the trump university case and raised his own objections as to why he felt they were unfair, we wouldn't be having this discussion. but he brought up race. he brought up ethnicity and that's why there's been this
ferocious blow back from the people in the republican party who want to support him but find these comments like newt gingrich said, unacceptable. >> tana, answer the question that maria asked and she's not sure he knows what he's doing and then to my question again, do you think that he understands what racism is? >> i do. mr. trump is a brilliant man. he absolutely knows what racism is. this is a man who was given millions of dollars to charities, from children of all ethnicities, all races and colors and he has donated so much money with no parameters on them. on the "celebrity apprentice," he's giving money away to various charities, veterans, he doesn't care if you're white or yellow or block or what your color is. he wants to make america great
again. america does need to be great again. >> we are great. >> this is a man -- we need to be greater because we are in debt. we are drowning. we are doing down. and mr. trump is the businessman that can turn this country around. he doesn't need to do this, trust me. he's losing money running for president. >> tana has the last word in this. thank you. appreciate it. thank you, maria, michael. when we come back, the final tuesday primary is hours away as the race shifts to a general election. you can fly across welcome town in minutes16, or across the globe in under an hour. whole communities are living on mars and solar satellites provide earth with unlimited clean power.
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breaking news, hillary clinton has 2,384 delegates. that's one more than she needs to clinch the democratic nomination. she and bernie sanders vow to fight for every last vote in the primaries that are now just hours away. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. meanwhile, donald trump says no apologies, no way. the presumptive republican nominee doubling down on his criticism of the federal judge hearing his trump university case. and in a conference call, ordering his top surrogates to back him up. is he playing the race card and could it cost him votes in the general election? david chalian is joining