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and same time understanding, look, you have to work with the communities. you just can't avoid this. >> thanks very much. peter bergen, thanks to you, as well. that's it for me. our special coverage continues right now. wolf, thank you so much. i'm brooke baldwin live here in orlando, florida. you are watching special breaking coverage of the terror attack inside the pulse nightclub. the scene of the deadliest mass shooting in american history. >> i'm anderson cooper outside the orlando regional medal center. 27 patients are still being treated. six in critical condition. you're about to hear a survivor tell his chilling account of what happened and president obama, hillary clinton hold two separate events with one target,
donald trump and republican critics who play the fiery messages ahead. >> and we have just received word of an active investigation into exactly how much the shooter's wife knew about his murderous plan. we have that, also a major development today on the killer's motives. we are hearing reports that not only did he visit the pulse nightclub often but a law enforcement official says he cased out disney springs, that is on disney world property, one week before this nightclub shooting. we have all of that for you. let's bring in our cnn justice correspondent pamela brown on the investigation angle. pamela, let's begin with this killer's wife. i know that she is being cooperative with authorities. the question has to be, what did she know? >> absolutely. and that's what investigators are trying to figure out, brooke. we know that she has been talking to them. she's been giving some helpful
information, particularly of some of the places that this gunman visited prior to the attack and right now investigators are trying to see if there's a case to be made that she had prior knowledge of the attack and she didn't come forward to authorities. that is really what the focus is right now. and of course, as she knew about this and didn't come forward, that would be a crime. she could be charged if they can prove that. that's very much a focus right now. interviews with her continue today. so, of course, we'll be keeping an eye on that and learning more about the movements of this shooter in the hours and did days leading up to the attack. in fact, the day of we've learned that he spent several hours at this area called disney springs. it's about 20 minutes away from the nightclub. unclear what he was doing there but early june around the time he was buying the weapons he also visited this disney springs area. and including pulse nightclub.
so investigators believe that during this time he was casing, he was trying to scout out his potential targets. it gives you an idea, brooke, this was not a spur of the moment decision. he was trying to figure out what his target would ultimately be. brooke? >> pamela brown, thank you for now. anderson, to you at the hospital. >> thanks very much. an extraordinary moment a short time ago. president obama and hillary clinton talking, holding two separate events in separate locations with one clear agenda. firing back at donald trump over their refusal to blame the massacre on, quote, radical islam. here's what they said. >> for a while now, the main contribution of some of my friends on the other side of the aisle have made in the fight against isil is to criticize this administration and me more not using the phrase radical islam. that's the key they tell us.
we can't beat isil unless we call them radical islamists. what exactly would using this label accomplish? calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. this is a political distraction. not once has an adviser of mine said, man, if we really use that phrase, we'll turn this whole thing around. not once. if we fall into the trap of painting all muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion then we are doing the terrorist work for them. we now have proposals from the presumptive republican nominee for president of the united states to bar all muslims from emigrating to america. we hear language that singles out immigrants.
and suggests entire religious communities are complicit in violence. where does this stop? this is a country founded on basic freedoms. including freedom of religion. we don't have religious tests here. our founders, our constitution, our bill of rights are clear about that. if we ever abandon those values, we would not only make it a lot easier to radicalize people here and around the world, but we would have betrayed the very things we are trying to protect. >> donald trump wants to be our next commander in chief. yesterday morning just one day after the massacre he went on tv
and suggested that president obama is on the side of the terrorists. now, just think about that for a second. even in a time of divided politics this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president of the united states. >> well, that's the politics. i want to bring in the florida attorney general to talk about what's happening here on the ground. there's a lot you can't talk about in the investigation. i won't press you about that. you're meeting with family members and you're concerned of scams, victims' families being scammed. >> yes. we have great americans out there who want to donate and watching this on tv. they're seeing you give the names of these victims and people want to help and want to give. but please, go to a legitimate disaster relief organization.
right now, we don't know what's legitimate and what's not. >> hundreds of websites popping up. >> hundreds. >> you're worried about fake ones. >> hundreds, hundreds. so please, also our legitimate disaster relief ones, some of the scam artists will change a letter in the name and come up with that. so people who think they're helping all of these victims and families are, in fact, helping scammers. please don't stop giving to the public but just be vigilant in how you do it. >> i saw you the other day saying that anyone who attacks the lgbt community, our lgbt community you said will be gone after to the full extent of the law. >> that's right. >> i talked to people here not fans of yours and said that they thought you were being a hypocrite, that you for years have fought -- you basically gone after gay people, said that in court that gay people simply by fighting for marriage equality for trying to do harm to the people of florida. to induce public harm, i believe was the term you used in court. do you really think you're a
champion of the gay community? >> let me tell you. when i was sworn in as attorney general, i put my hand on the bible and sworn to uphold the constitution of the state of florida. that's not a law. that was voted in to our state constitution by the voters of florida. that's what i was defending. had nothing to do -- i've never said i don't like gay people. >> but you did -- do you worry about using language accusing gay people of doing harm to the people of florida when doesn't that send a message to people who might have bad ideas in mind? >> anderson, i don't believe gay people -- >> but you argued that in court. >> my lawyer argued a case defending what the supreme court allowed the voters to put in our state constitution. >> you were arguing that gay marriage, if there was gay marriage, same-sex marriage, that would do harm to the people of florida. florida signed it. >> it was constitutional to put it in the constitution. >> are you saying you did not
believe it would do harm to florida? >> of course not, of course not. gay -- i never said that. those words never came out of my mouth. >> that's what you were arguing in court. >> no. no. what we argued was it was in the constitution of the state of florida. let me give you an example. medical marijuana. a 12-year-old could get it if it passed. we took that to the supreme court because of that language, hold on. if that passed, i would defend that, as well, because it's my job to defend what's in the constitution of the state of florida. that's what it was about. >> the hotline that you've been talking about on television which allows family members and spouses of the dead to get information, which is incredibly important, appreciate you talking about on the air, had there been no gay marriage, no same-sex marriage, you do realize that spouses, there would be no spouses, that boyfriends and girlfriends of the dead would not be able to get information and would not be able to visit in the hospital here. isn't there a sick irony in that? >> let me take it a step
further. people aren't right now who are partners and aren't married officially aren't able to get information so we're trying to assist them in getting information. because early on -- >> isn't there a sick irony you for years were fighting that very idea? >> i was defending the constitution of what over 69% of the voters put in the constitution. >> but the courts, the federal courts said that's not the constitution and you continued to fight it. >> no. that's why we rushed to get it to the u.s. supreme court because we needed -- >> there was a federal judge and you continued to fight it after the federal judge ruled and spent hundreds of thousands of dollars fighting it. >> we rushed to get it to the supreme court. you know what today is about? human beings. today's about victims. >> it is about gay and lbz victims. >> it is. lgbt victims. >> is it hypocritical to portray yourself as a champion of the gay community when -- i'm just reflecting what gay people told
me they don't see you as this. >> i i don't portray myself as anything but trying to help people who have lost their lives and who have family members who aren't gettinging the services they need. this prning, you know what i've been doing? trying to fight with a funeral home for overcharging family members. >> sickening. >> to bury the loved ones. i'm not championing anything other than floridians. we are about human beings. >> right. >> this is about victims who need help. this is about family members who need services. >> it's just that -- i will say i have never really seen you talk about gays and lesbians and transgender people in a positive way until now. i read your twitter history for a last year and you were tweeting about, you know, national dog month and national shelter dog appreciation day or adopt a shelter dog day. it is gay pride month. you never tweeted about gay pride month. >> we have hands clasped
together of the people. >> you put that up now. >> after the horrible tragedy, absolutely. the only thing i'm championing is human beings whose lives wandy rodriguez- >> again, i'm telling you what people have been telling me to ask you, moving forward, do you see yourself as being a vocal champion for gay and lesbian citizens in the state? >> they're citizens just like anyone else. of course. my goodness, anderson, we have had 49 people murdered. simply because they were in a bar at the wrong time. >> right. >> that's right. i'm a career prosecutor. those family members are devastated. these surviving victims are devastated. that's what this is about. >> i know a lot of gay and lesbian people in the state want to feel that the people that represent them, represent everybody in the state. >> we're human beings and that's what this is about. >> i appreciate you talking to us. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. thanks for all you're doing on behalf of the victims. >> thank you. >> we're now hearing from survivors of this attack, some
of them from inside the hospital, 27 victims are still in the hospital. at least six remain in intensive care and also hearing heartbreaking aspiring stories from the staff on duty that night and as the attorney general was just talking about, the idea that anybody could be scammed right now is shocking. we'll continue the follow up with her about her efforts to make sure that is not happening in this state. a chilling account of a survivor we have coming upshot multiple times as the gunman went on the sickening rampage through the club. take a listen. >> out of nowhere, we just hear a big shotgun. we just we stop what we're doing and then it just keeps going. that happened and we just grabbed each other and started running and unfortunately i was shot about three times in the leg and i had fallen down. i tried to get back up. but everyone started running
everywhere. i got trampled over. i shattered and broke the bones on my left leg. so by this time, i couldn't walk at all. all i could do was lay down while everyone was running on top of me trying to get to where they had to be. and all i could hear was the shotgun. one after another. people screaming, people yelling for help. by this time, this man, he goes into the other room. and i can just hear more shotguns going on. i thought i was a little safe at this time because, you know, it's giving everyone time to tackle him down or get him down. but unfortunately i hear him come back and he's shooting everyone that's already dead on the floor, making sure they're dead. i was able to peek over and i
can just see him shooting at everyone. and i can hear the shotguns closer and i look over and he shoots the girl next to me. and i'm just laying down. i'm thinking, i'm next. i'm dead. so i don't know how but by the glory of god he shoots towards my head but it hits my hand and then he shoots me again and it hits the side of my hip. i had no reaction. i was just prepared to just stay there laying down so he won't know that i'm alive. >> we quickly got about five patients and that was a lot for us and we thought maybe that was going to be it and then they started lining up in the hallway. they weren't being brought in by ambulances. there was no paramedics coming in and giving us a report and dropping them off. they were being dropped off in truckloads and ambulance loads. >> i'm looking up and some cops
which i wish i can remember his face or his name because i'm to this day i'm grateful for him. he looks at me. he makes sure that i'm alive. and he grabs my hand and he is like the only way i can take you out. i'm like, please carry me because i'm in pain right now. >> described somewhat of what you would think of a war scene. trauma bay was very full. we had patients in every corner. >> the difficulty in this case there was really no advance notice at all because of the proximity. that was great for the patients them being close. but it made it very difficult for the medical staff and the nursing staff to take care of these patients because they essentially were showing up without any notification at all and we really didn't know what their injuries were until they were brought into the trauma bay. >> the way that you guys have taken care of us, in this hospital is amazing. if it wasn't for you guys, i definitely would not be here.
every morning, in the middle of the night, afternoon, you guys are always there. i really appreciate that. and i would love you guys forever for doing that for me. >> i want to bring in cnn's chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta who was at the news conference today and inside the hospital talking to the staff about responding to this incredible, horrific event. i mean, it is the work they have been doing is just extraordinary. >> you know, they train and they drill for this sort of thing all the time but i think as everyone said and you heard it, it is hard to prepare for something like this. part of it is getting people to come in from the community, people who weren't on call coming in to help out. people from the children's hospital coming in to help out with the adults that were in here, as well. all that needed to happen. they had 44 patients as you heard, many of the patients had multiple wounds, as well. >> right. >> anderson, i think we were talking about this last night. theesz types of bullets entering the body they tend to spin and
-- >> ar-15 enters clean and then spins inside and goes in a straight direction and wipes out what it's -- >> causes a lot of damage inside and looks harmless almost entry wound but it can enter the lower abdomen on the right side and end up in the upper left lung and all of that needed to happen. also, just to give you an example, a single patient has needed four separate operations. one minute they can seem stable and then decline. has needed 90 yunits of blood. you can imagine 44 patients around the same time. 20 or 25 first then and a hostage situation and a lull. doctors didn't know was that it, more patients coming? they didn't have any information. >> people brought in in the back of pickup trucks. >> yeah. you have a paramedic calling ahead with a heads up. we're coming and here's the injuries to be ready. patient's need -- >> they weren't getting any of that. >> none of that.
that part you can really have a hard time training for. they set a remarkable thing today and that is that they believe that very optimistic about the remaining patients now in the hospital. remember right afterwards they thought the death toll would continue to increase and it has not. >> good news in all of this. thank you so much for that report. brooke, back to you. >> anderson, sanjay, thank you both so much. coming up next here on cnn, speaking with a hero from that horrific night here at the pulse nightclub here in orlando. a club goer waited. saw a young man bloodied. what he did for that young man that potentially saved his life. also ahead, moments ago, more survivors speaking out from their hospital beds here. they described hiding in the bathroom as the gunman came in for them. i'm brooke baldwin. anderson cooper joining me for two hours. you are watching cnn special live coverage here in orlando, florida. you both have a
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did get out safely. i'm happy for rodney, we're trying to -- still working that out. i don't know for sure. it's an act of heroism? some of you are saying -- just did what i had to do in the time and, you know, i've been trying to keep it together and i think i'm finally at my breaking point. >> my goodness. josh is good enough to be with me now. thank you for joining me. >> not a problem. thank you for having me. >> you were saying you've gotten a couple of hours of sleep since this happened and when you were asleep, your friends overheard you saying run? >> run. they woke me up because i was wimpering and mumbling run, run. so they woke me up and they have a service dog and he's actually for that kind of stuff, for people with anxiety and big old cuddling -- >> cuddling with the service dog. >> he's not left my side since
they intervened with the situation. >> take me back. >> let's go. >> let's go back to saturday night. >> okay. >> where were you? around what time hearing the shots? >> it was actually -- it was after last call for alcohol. that's 1:45. we were at the corner main bar with the bartender friend kate. we frequent there often. she's amazing. we usually hang out in her corner. a great normal. latin. >> good time. salsa. >> nothing out of the normal for us. closing the tampa bays and hear the initial three shots. out of -- you know, we don't know what gunshots usually sound like. that's not on the norm. so we did the, you know, the little duck and cover kind of thing. we didn't know if it was -- what it was, fireworks, sound problems. it was a really loud club with music and the crowd and then someone pulled my roommate down and she pulled me down and i pulled my other roommate down and we're on the ground and
kate's barr's next to the exit because they have a patio bar. we crawled out. we stood up. heard two more shots and realized and heard people screaming, running, hopping the fence. >> how did you get snout. >> initially we ran into the service area where the bartenders and bar backs frequently go back and forth so they don't have to go through the club themselves because of the doors are metal so we figured we could barricade ourselves in and then heard shots from in there and scared us and ran back inside and there's like a patio bar fence surrounding and then we hopped over that. >> that's when you then at some point i heard you were hiding under a car. >> we were running in the parking lot. i heard some more shots so i got scared and i hopped behind a car and hid underneath it and then multiple shots were being fired. my roommates ran and i can hear them yelling for me making sure where i'm at. i'm like, i'm okay.
you all keep running. i'm hiding. during the hiding i heard shots fired after shots being fired. >> didn't stop? >> consistent. there's pauses here and there and then shot, shot. as they got like more and more faint, i took it upon myself, okay, by this time, the police are already set up a perimeter. i have to make it over there. before making a run for it, that's when i saw rodney didn't know who he was at the time. >> a young man running at you? >> no. he was kind of swaying, stumbling. i grabbed him, pulled him behind the car with me. he was like, i think i got shot. i was looking at him and both of his arms, i was like, i think you got shot, too. and i was like, okay. we need to stop the bleeding. i took my shirt off. tied it tight, tied his shirt
around his other arm. i didn't know about the back sht. >> how did you know to do this? >> i'm a lifeguard, i'm a nursing student. >> you flung into that mode? >> at first, i did the flight psychologically, the fight and flight thing. i was, you know, fleeing and then when i saw him, i just got into fight mode and all i could think about is to fight to save his life and mine. >> he suffered three shots. i hear he's okay. >> yes. >> you're in touch with his aunt. have you seen him not? >> i have not since everything. but he's, you know, he's in and out with pain meds so he's not really there yet. we're also, you know, giving him time to comprehend -- >> absolutely. i'm sure eventually -- >> the family is for us to meet. i want to give them all a big hug. >> let me ask you this. just something that i can't appreciate as someone who didn't worry about holding someone's hand in public. when i'm talking to friends who have and how sacred a space a
gay club, a gay bar is for them, a safe haven. >> it is. >> can you talk about that and why this is so absolutely atrocious? >> because, like, it depends on the area. orlando's like a big community with the gay scene and the lgbt so like going to the club, you know, a gay club for that matter, we feel comfortable. we can be ourselves. hold hands. we dance on each other, kiss, whatever. so like it's a very comfortable scene to be in and then see someone come and randomly shoot it up, it's like are we really that hated? it is like dumbfounding. >> my final question is, friends of mine and i'm sure of yours saying this could have been me. >> exactly. >> this could have been me. how might this change you? >> for now, i'm dealing with it emotionally. i do have my -- i'm starting to have night terrors and also psychologically major, as well.
i'm trying to deal with it the best way i can and talking about it is -- >> ka that are tick. >> makes me feel better. it's easy for me to talk about it. rather than cuddle up in a bedroom. >> i'll let you go cuddle your service dog friend. i appreciate you. >> not a problem. >> so sorry this happened. i can't wait for you to meet rodney. >> thank you very much. >> coming up here in orlando, we have much more of cnn's special live coverage including we have new developments about the madman's possible motive, the why factor here. and a visit he apparently made recently to a disney property, what the fbi is learning about that and harrowing story of what happened inside, survivors speaking out from here in town describing the terrifying moments as they hid out in a bathroom. >> at one point, everyone was just like shh shh, be quiet, be
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we didn't want to attract attention but the bullets start going through the stall wall towards us. so i can't recall exactly how many bullets but it sounded like whoever -- it sounded like he unloaded initially. and i was hit in my butt, left foot, my right knee. i thought i was shot a third time but it was a graze. my friend who was with me was hit, as well. and he's -- his injuries were worse than mine. overall, there was just a lot of blood, a lot of people were hit. and even some fatalities which were apparent almost immediately. but i'm just grateful to be alive because there's -- after seeing what occurred, i don't even know how i'm alive today. >> the guilt of feeling grateful to be alive is heavy.
wanting to smile about surviving but not sure if the people around you are ready. as the world mourns, the victims killed, and viciously slain, i feel guilty about screaming about my legs in pain because i could feel nothing. like the other 49 who weren't so lucky to feel this pain of mine. i never thought in a million years that this could happen. i never thought in a million years that my eyes could witness something so tragic. looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals, looking at the killer's machine gun throughout my right peripheral, looking at the blood and debris covered on everyone's faces, looking at the gunman's feet under the stall as he paces. the guilt of feeling lucky to be
alive is heavy. it's like the weight of the ocean's walls crushing uncontrolled by levies. it's like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown on the back of a chevy. it is like being rushed to the hospital and told you're going to make it. when you laid beside individuals who lies were brutally taken. the guilt of being alive is heavy. >> extraordinary courage and strength. we want to -- we're trying to get as much as possible in the dark and difficult days to tell you as much as what we're telling you about the people that lost their lives. eddie sotomayor, 34, died in the nightclub. the passion i'm told is traveling. he was often wearing a top hat on a trip. it was a nickname, top hat eddie. eddie worked at a travel agency that catered to the gay community. the owner called sunday one of
the saddest days of his life. braiden, i appreciate you being with us and sorry for your loss and sorry we're talking under these circumstances. tell us about the eddie you knew. what was he like? >> well, the thing about eddie and i think anyone who knew him would tell you the same that he just loved life an he constantly went out of his way to make sure that everyone was having the best possible time and enjoying every adventure for the most it could give you in life. and he just really strived to make sure everybody was having the best possible moment every possible time. >> we've got pictures of the two of you together we're showing. are you on a trip? >> yeah. we traveled all over the world together. you know, we worked together for the travel agency and we didn't
know each other and i remember very distinctly having to share a room with him in venice, the first time before we ever met, and i had social anxiety about rooming with someone i had never met before and we went quickly from strangers to best of friends and whenever there was a trip together, we traveled together, we roomed together. we would sneak away on adventures away from, you know, guided tours because we were curious about something. we always seemed to find a way to have a good time. >> i got to ask you about the top hat. when's that about? >> i don't even know where it started. or how it started but it just kind of became a thing and he would not take it off to the point that he was wearing a top hat in the caribbean and, you know, 100-degree heat. but it was just his thing. and you know, everyone who knew him knew about the top hat.
>> yeah. braden, i'm, again, just so sorry for your loss and i appreciate you taking sometime to just tell us a little bit about eddie. thank you so much. >> yeah, i really appreciate it. you know, it's crazy. we traveled the world together and we're frequently visited places where you could be persecuted for being gay or violence against you being gay an i don't think we thought it would happen here in the u.s. and a reflection of how we as a country need to be better gua guardians of each other and the laws and what we ask aft lawmakers. trkd not happen here. this is crazy. >> well, i wish you strength and peace in the days ahead. thank you so much. brooke, back to you. >> it shouldn't have happened here at all. anderson, thank you so much. by the way, we were talking the law enforcement here just in front of the nightclub and he was saying the governor's on the premises right now. homeland security is here. he told us that was reportable
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surveillance trips both at this club and over at walt disney world earlier this month. the dates apparently of the different surveillance trips coincided with gay theme celebrations going on here in orlando and so he made the same visits at the same time purchasing the weapons and then go on to use and murder dozens of people. so let's bring in james, a retired major case investigator here in orlando and a former fbi task force officer. james, thank you so much for copping out of court for me. want to begin with the wife. i know that investigators and apparently she is being cooperative. he was married. what kind of questions are they asking you? >> it is a when did she find out he was planning the plot. >> if she did know. >> if she did know. what she knew, what she saw. was he texting her communications in terms of i'm in orlando doing this or that? they want to know everything she was told by the shooter to help
them establish a timeline. >> apparently she wept on a trip to disney world end of april. what she knew at the time we don't know. if she was well aware, she could be affiliated. >> that would be part of the master plan and drove him to the location to quote/unquote case it out, she would be charged in the crime. >> you even have friends here in orlando who he tried befriending over social media owning other gay clubs? >> absolutely. >> what do you make of that and the fact he visited this club multiple times? >> make no mistake about it? we are hearing that he was deranged and mental issues but i take notice with the fact that he had the methodical acts of casing them out. >> he knew the bathroom door to hold hostages. >> maximum body count, if you will. and, you know, instead of an
outside venue he chose inside to literally a shoot house. it's a slaughterhouse for the victims. >> the fact that police investigators trying to figure out who else knew, they grabbed his cellphone, i know, apparently covered in blood inside the nightclub. they went to his home. looking through any sort of electronic device. a treasure trove i imagine for investigators. what are they looking for there? >> absolutely. the complete digital footprint. looking at every site he looked at, the cookies, everything in his computer or phone and the feds are currently looking at this now trying to go back and rebuild that timeline to establish what he was planning prior to the attack. >> it's the y. it's the motive. it's the planning. the going over and over to the club. and being on these also some of these gay dating apps and social media. all forming pieces of a puzzle that investigators are working on figuring out. thank you so much. >> thank you. anderson, over to you.
>> yeah, brooke, thanks. families of those killed and wounded face a daunting task of getting here, travel, a place to stay and through the grief arranging funeral services. they're getting a help of orlando-based realtor christian westhaver. he is basically reaching out to people and started the try to help people as much as possible. how did this even begin? you just took it upon yourself to try to help? >> i donated blood immediately. i started volunteering and that night we had a private candle light vigil of me and my friends. we were there on the dock with the laptop and it's 12:30 at night and hits me. i'm like, i have vacancies in the rental properties. i'll post them. out a couple of times and filled. and then 12:30 at night to 1:30, i think shared like 200 times or so and it was just like first instinct is i need more rooms. >> trying to help family members, loved ones get rooms,
places to stay if. >> absolutely. >> people at the club that don't have cars because the cars on sight. >> absolutely. >> there's all these details you don't think about it. >> this is what it started as. a housing thing and totally grown and a tremendous response of just humanity. every time this gets posted, if we're not getting the victims families, we are getting people offering what they can to help. we have gotten offered caskets, flowers for the funeral services, food to the doorsteps finding accommodations and pet sitting, everything. lawyers for the people having visa troubles, top lawyers here in orlando. and it's just been incredible. >> the outpouring is -- we have seen this in times, the gay community coming together and helping each other and people support the gay community and not just gay people, all people coming together. >> everybody. >> yeah. what is the -- where do people find you and get in touch with you? >> the best way of contacting is facebook messenger.
find my facebook under christian west-howard and message me and people answering in realtime. i have about eight people logged in as me and as me and they're answering in realtime coordinating this. >> let's ask you personally. i mean, how are you dealing with all this? is this helping you just keep moving forward? >> i don't know. you know, i've taken a couple times, i cried a lot at first and now kind of maybe it's not super healthy but i don't know if this is just maybe distracting but i can't stop moving and i'll take time to have it looked at the victims list. >> you don't want to look at the names. you don't want to know? >> we have work to do. we have work to do as humanity. and i think we need to come together and we -- religion, creed, everything aside, whatever you are, you need to come together and we need to help. >> thank you for what you're doing. >> thank you. thank you. >> christian west-howard. brooke, back to you. >> wow. anderson, thank you.
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we are now top of the hour. thank you for being with me. i'm brooke baldwin here live in orlando, florida, for special cnn breaking news komplg of the deadliest mass shooting in american history. the question, one of many for investigators is exactly how much the gunman's wife knew about her husband's plans to massacre dozens of people in this pulse nightclub just down the street from me. >> yeah, brooke. i'm anderson cooper outside the
orlando regional medical center. 27 patients still being treated at this hour, 6 of them in critical care. survivors are inside the hospital describing their escape. listen. >> i was able to peek over and i can just see him shooting at everyone. and i can hear the shotguns closer and i look over and he shoots the girl next to me. and i'm just there laying down. i'm thinking, i'm next. i'm dead. so i don't know how but by the glory of god he shoots towards my head but it hits my hand. and then he shoots me again and it hits this side of my hip. >> well, also in the wake of the massacre, president obama and hillary clinton hold two separate events with one target, donald trump and republican critics. we'll play the fiery messages ahead, brooke. >> also ahead here, a major development today in the killer's possible motive,
hearing reports not only did he visit pulse nightclub here multiple times but a lumt official says he cased out disney springs, that's a resort social on disney property one week before the nightclub shooting. let's begin the top of this hour, though, with justice correspondent pamela brown and bob baer here with me. pamela, on the angle of this wife, i know she's being cooperative with authorities. i know they have lots and lots of questions for her quhachlt are they looking for? >> well, they're looking for what she knew before this attack and whether she knew enough to know he was going to carry out the mass shooting and didn't come forward to authorities. of course, that would be a crime and she could be charged for that. and at this point, authorities are investigating her. are looking into that. they've been talking to her. she's been giving helpful insight and believed she went with her husband to a potential
target and sorting out if she knew it would be a target for a mass shooting and she is providing helpful insight, this is the woman, noor, married in 2011. they had a son together. so there's a lot to learn about their relationship and what she knew and we are learning, as well, brooke, about his movements in the hours and the days leading up to this shooting. in fact, we have learned that he visited pulse nightclub before. that he was doing preoperational surveillance according to law enforcement sources we have been speaking with and he visited that disney springs area that you had just mentioned. he apparently visited the day of the attack for several hours. according to cellphone data that investigators have been looking at and then around the time he bought the guns in early june, he went to the disney springs area, about 20 minutes away from the nightclub and the question
is was he trying to decide what his target would be. officials believe he was casing, scouting it out trying to figure out what to do to carry out the attack and something officials looking at as we speak, brooke. >> and also, it was all during these gay themed celebrations, right, disney springs or even this nightclub here in orlando during that particular week, this year. pamela, thank you. bob, on the wife, how do they get her to talk? >> well she -- >> she's being cooperative. >> we don't know if she's going to tell the truth. >> that's my point. >> in so many cases, the wives are brought in and no such thing as a lone gunman unless somebody just flips out. 90% of the shootings involve telling family me believes or a cleric or at least getting an implicit approval to fight jihad and this is what they have to find out. we don't know that yet. she may be entirely innocent but i really don't trust family
members after a horrible thing like this. they tend to make things up. they tend to invent things. you have to be very patient with them questioning them. >> we talked about this in the week of boston as the pressure cooker bombers were made and i would imagine the same, bringing home ar-15s and whatnot, whatever he had bought in the weeks leading up this. we know that he was apparently also on the gay social media apps. he had been to this nightclub multiple times. he was befriending other gay nightclub owners. we don't know why if he was casing out the place. what does that tell you? >> you don't have to case it. you don't walk in with a gun and hope for the best. you have to know the routine of a club. it's good to know the bouncer. it's god to know the bartender. >> after last call. >> last call. >> a lot of people.
>> how many police are there. police at all? any target you have to spend weeks looking at it. who what are the exits? how do you block the exits? this was well planned. the police said this from the beginning. buying the weapons. his trying to buy ceramic plates tells me he was ready for a shootout. he was ready to die. he was a martyr. this isn't the act of somebody totally insane. >> still different terror groups he was pledging allegiance to are enemies of one another and feels like a terrorism grab bag. >> it doesn't matter. they reduce it. they're killing us. i have an obligation to fight back. and it's here. i'm going to do it. you know, going from al qaeda to the islamic state and even sometimes to hezbollah and a shia group happens all the time and even in smaller groups we don't hear about. >> all right. bob, thank you very much. >> thank you. >> anderson, to you.
an extraordinary political moment today. president obama and hillary clinton holding two separate events and two separate locations, one clear agenda. firing back at donald trump over the refusal to fail radical islam. watch. >> the main contribution of some friends on the other side of the aisle made in the fight against isil is to criticize this administration and me for not using the phrase radical islam. that's the key they tell us. we can't beat isil unless we call them radical islamists. what exactly would using this label accomplish? calling a threat by a different name does not make it go away. this is a political distraction.
not once has an adviser of mine said, man, if we really use that phrase, we're going to turn this whole thing around. not once. and if we fall into the trap of painting all muslims with a broad brush and imply that we are at war with an entire religion, then we are doing the terrorist work for them. we now have proposals from presumptive republican nominee for the united states to bar all muslims to america. we hear language that singles out immigrants. and suggests entire religious communities are complicit. this is including freedom of religion. we don't have religious tests here. >> donald trump wants to be our
next commander in chief. yesterday morning, just one day after the massacre, he went on tv and suggested that president obama is on the side of the terrorists. now, just think about that for a second. even in a time of divided politics this is way beyond anything that should be said by someone running for president of the united states. >> donald trump since responded to the president saying, i quote, president obama claims to know or enemy and continues to prioritize our enemy over our allies and for that matter the american people. when i am president we'll always be america first. want to bring in chief political correspondent dana bash and historian douglas brinkley. the president was emotional, forceful. what stood out to you?
>> well, how much he ridiculed donald trump not by name but as the presumptive republican nominee. he wanted to squash the idea that we should be using the terms dealing with islamic fundamentalism. the president's worried about mainstream muslims and worried about 1.6 billion muslim people in the world and what they're thinking of the united states. so i thought the president wasn't just talking to -- >> hey, i got to jump in. bernie sanders making a statement. let's listen in. >> who like people all over the country are appalled and disgusted and grieved by what happened in orlando. it is impossible for any of us to understand what goes on in the sick mind of someone who commits an atrocity like this. was he motivated by the ideology of some fanatic islamic organization which believes that
it is somehow heroic to mow down innocent and defenseless men and women? was he motivated by homo phobia and hatred of the gay community? was he motivated by some kind of hate red of latinos? was he suicidal and wanted to end his life by taking others with him? we may never know the answers to those questions. but this is what we do know and what we must never forget. we know that one hateful person committed this terrible crime, not an entire people or an entire religion. the muslim people did not commit this horrific act. a man named omar mateen did. to blame an entire religion for the acts of a single individual is nothing less than bigotry and that is not what this country is
supposed to be about. our goal as a nation must be to bring people together to prevent violence, to prevent hate red, and to create the nation that we know standing together we can create. our goal must not be to allow politicians, donald trump or anyone else to divide us up based on where our family came from, the color of our skin or our religion. we also know that it is imperative that isis be destroyed. this is a barbaric organization which has caused massive suffering to hundreds of thousands of people in the middle east and let us not forget that most of the people who are suffering and dying as a result of isis are muslims.
and by the way, it is muslim troops on the ground today who are taking the fight to isis as we speak. and pushing them back and defeating them in iraq and syria. muslim troops. we also know that we must do everything possible to improve local, state, federal and international cooperation to prevent further lone wolf-type actions like we recently saw in orlando. this is not easy but we must accelerate our efforts to prevent the kind of mass murders that we saw in san bernardino and now in orlando. further, i have believed for decades we must rethink the idea that assault weapons like the ones used last saturday night which was legally purchased by the murderer, an individual who was investigated by the fbi for
possible terrorist connections, who walked in to a gun store and legally purchased that weapon, the idea that these types of weapons designed to do one thing and one thing alone, kill people by the dozens, the idea that they should be sold and distributed in this country seems to me to be terribly wrong. those types of weapons should be banned. let me now say a word about my views about where we go with regard to the democratic party. and let me be as clear as i can be that i think the time is now. in fact, the time is long overdue, for a fundamental transformation of the democratic party. we need a party which is prepared to stand up for the disappearing middle class, for the 47 million people in this
country who are living in poverty. and take on the greed of the powerful special interests that are doing so much harm to this country who have so much power over the political and economic life of our country. we need to be spending time bringing working people and young people in to the political process, not spending all kinds of time and energy raising money from wealthy individuals and large corporations. the american people are hurting and they are hurting badly. they want real change, not the same old same old. while the very wealthy become richer, and corporate profits soar, real unemployment in this country, not official unemployment, real unemployment is close to 10%.
youth unemployment in inner cities and rural communities is often 30%, 40% or even higher. most americans are working longer hours for lower wages and despite the successes of the affordable care act, tens of millions of americans still have no health insurance or they are underinsured with high deductibles and co-payments. and millions more are unable to afford the outrageously high prices of the pharmaceutical industry who charge us for more our medicine than the people of any other country. life expectancy, think about it. life expectancy, how long we live, for millions of americans today is in decline. in decline. people are dying at younger ages than their mothers and their
fae fae fathers did. we have more people in jail today, 2.2 million, than any other country on earth and we know that the immigration system is broken. young people are sick and tired of going deeper into debt for what? simply to get a college degree at a time when we need the best educated work force in the world. climate change is a major crisis facing our country and our entire planet and yet we have not done any where near enough what we have to do to take on the fossil fuel industry and transform our energy system away from coal and oil and gas in order to save the planet. people -- >> that's bernie sanders giving a talk in washington, d.c. we're back with our dana bash and also presidential historian douglas brinkley, dana, it's interesting on the same day, i
don't know coordinated but president obama and hillary clinton and now bernie sanders all coming out making statements about the incident here, but also, the killings here, but also about donald trump. >> that's right. you had the democrats coordinating in message, coordinating in theme, and then, you have republicans in a state of discord and i don't think that is an accident. in fact, one of the many, many things i thought about that was fascinating about the extraordinary speech that president obama gave earlier today was the fact that he was clearly trying to continue to divide republicans by poking at republican leaders, others saying are you really going to stand by this and support this? and that, of course, prompts not that we weren't already doing that but prompts even more questions up on capitol hill today, from our team. elsewhere around the country. to republican leaders asking that very question. you know what?
they're turning around and walking away. they don't want to go there. and democrats know that. and that's a big reason why they said what they said and saying it how they're saying it. in a pretty powerful way. i don't know about what doug thinks about this as a historian just real quick, just the idea that president obama used the stage craft of not just the east room of the white house but having a fore r four-star general there talking about what it takes to be commander in chief. >> well, doug, but also, i want you to respond, there is now a different secretary clinton has i think she gave a statement yesterday, a call-in saying, look, i'll use whatever the terms are, doesn't matter what the terms are but what the actions are and trying to make a distinction of herself and president obama and using the terms radical islam. >> she did. i think the key for president
obama is talking to the world community now. donald trump isn't just a candidate a few months back talking about a banning of muslims to the united states. he's got a lot of momentum and everybody in the world is looking at him. could this guy be president? president obama wanted to make sure it clear that the united states government, the federal government, says no to what donald trump is suggesting, this it's hateful bigotry and that the white house isn't going to tolerate it. i thought the president stood up forcefully today defending the administration's policy. there was fire in his eyes and sarcasm in the way he went after trump. >> dana, you talked about some of the republican response. listen to some of that. >> i think it was a ridiculous statement to make. i think it's an unconstitutional and many respects un-american statement to make. we don't ban an entire religious construct from entering into the country. >> i think it was very tacky to
call on that the day of the attack. i'm sure politics will always come into something like this. let's give it a day or two on the front end 0 of that. i don't think he deserves praise for it. like i said, i hope in the process over the next few months he realizes that in order to actually win this war you're going to need people that he has already alienated. >> we need to make sure that muslims in america feel like they can talk to officials about the radicals who may be within their con frequent gagregations nuanced approach to the islamic community and not simply try to target them or scapegoat them but to try to work with them. >> dana, i also want to point out we have a statement of the rnc not naming trump but slamming the president and hillary clinton. >> that's right. and that is, of course, their job to do because they're now responsible and working hand in glove with their republican nominee or the presumptive
republican nominee. manu and our colleagues, they were able to get those sound bites and those remarks on camera from people who are already skeptical at the very least and pretty much anti-donald trump at the very strongest of that spectrum within the republican party. bob corker, the chairman of the foreign relations committee in the senate, very -- has been very much behind donald trump. pretty early on. he didn't want to answer questions. same goes for the speaker of the house. so you definitely see the people who are talk rg the most comfortable because they have been out there. the people who don't is because they just don't want to go there at all. >> right. dana, douglas, appreciate you both being with us. he was on the job for just three weeks, we'll talk to the bouncer and marine vet working at pulse the night of the attack. what he did. survivors speaking from the
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loss and guilt. here are two of the shooting survivors in their own words. >> everyone in the stall where we were, we were all just trying to be as quiet as possible. we didn't want to attract attention. the gun fire got closer and closer. that's when bullets go through the stall wall towards us. i can't recall how many bullets but it sounded like whoever -- it sounded like he unloaded essentially. and i was hit in my butt, my left foot, my right knee. i thought i was shot a third time but it turned out to be a grade. my friend who was with me was hit, as well. he's -- his injuries were worse than mine. overall, there was just a lot of blood, a lot of people were hit. and even some fatalities which were apparent almost
immediately. but i'm just grateful to be alive because there's -- after seeing what occurred, i don't even know how i'm alive today. >> the guilt of feeling grateful of being alive is heavy. wanting to smile about surviving but not sure if the people around you are ready. as the world mourns the victims killed and viciously slain, i feel guilty about screaming about my legs in pain because i could feel nothing like the other 49 who weren't so lucky to feel this pain of mine. i never thought in a million years that this could happen. i never thought in a million years that my eyes could witness something so tragic. looking at the souls leaving the bodies of individuals. looking at the killer's machine gun throughout my right peripheral. looking at the blood and debris
covered on everyone's faces. looking at the gunman's feet under the stall as he paces. the guilt of feeling lucky to be alive is heavy. it's like the weight of the ocean's walls crushing uncontrolled by levies. it's like being drug through the grass with a shattered leg and thrown on the back of a heavy. it is like being rushed to the hospital and told you're going to make it. when you laid beside individuals whose lives were brutally taken. the guilt of being alive is heavy. >> indeed, it is. i want to bring in senior chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta, talking about the hospital staff. we have nurses and doctors come out and seem exhausted and recaall
really pulling together. >> they worked for two days without going home. 26 operations in a few hours after the shooting occurred. also, the ems folks. we heard a lot about patients bringing themselves in. no question there was paramedics and people on the scene and you just hear from the stories, it lasted for a long time. we have covered a lot of tragedies and most of them over in a few minutes. >> most of the -- frankly, an active shooter situation, some of the fatalities in the fbi statistics, first five to six minutes. >> this was a few hours and think of the challenges for the ems folks. many of them to go in with law enforcement into areas of people hurt. and they needed to get there quickly with an active shooter situation. they were doing things as they told me like tourniquets. we use them all the time. here they were taking on a different role. only thing to do for a period of time to pull these poirnts out
of that active shooter situation. using things that they developed in war zones. a gauze that has a solution that basically stops bleeding. put the gauze on and accomplishes that. >> we have seen video of people, literally, carrying gunshot victims to get them to the hospital, back of pickup trucks. i have always heard somebody should just remain where they are, wait for a balance but it's a judgment call. i mean, should if you're close to a hospital and get them there in a private vehicle, should you take -- this applies to anybody, a traffic accident, anything. >> i think there is an unusual situation in that there was, you know, still an active shooter and people -- >> so many victims that it would have been hard for enough ambulances to get there. >> absolutely. i think that everyone talks about this thing of the golden hour. we have talked about that. and so to answer your question, getting them to a hospital, a level of care is the right answer. >> golden hour meaning within the first hour of the wound is
vital to get some sort of treatment. >> the chance of survival and doing well, increases exponentially getting care in the first hour and makes a difference. you worry, for example, in a car accident if someone has a broken neck and damaged spinal cord and be care nfl that situation, obviously. but getting someone to some level of care makes a huge difference, even a tourniquet on, a chest tube in, it can mean the difference of surviving and not surviving. >> good to know. >> yeah. >> sanjay, thank you. as always, for your reporting. brooke, back to you. [ no audio ]
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welcome back. we are live here in orlando on this tuesday. i'm brooke baldwin and we are hearing all kinds of horrendous details of survivors of the pulse nightclub massacre here in town. how the cold-blooded killer reloaded the weapon, fired repeatedly. survivor samuel maldonado said that he is still living the horror. >> still in shock.
nervous. i haven't slept. me and my partner, we both haven't slept at all. constantly just close your eyes, especially him, when you close, it's just -- you can just see these bodies and, you know, when we were able to see what we saw, especially the young girl that fell in front of us. it is just -- he's just constantly having those type of nightmares and stuff. >> i can't imagine. you were working inside the courtyard with your husband. what happened? walk us through what happened. >> typical night. busy. we were celebrating. it was very busy. music. good music. good crowd. everything was going smooth running, laughing and enjoying people, our friends coming towards us. and to that very end, being that
there's music outside and then the music inside sometimes, you know, you cannot determine what was the noise but then we started seeing people just running from the inside because the door that connects the courtyard towards the inside is always open and when you see these people just running towards the courtyard and then realizing that then the deejay that it was outside turned the music off and then you hear this -- all those shots, that's when you say, oh my god, when's going on? we realized it was more serious when we saw the young girl just with blood in her clothing. and she was going like this because i know that he was like -- i guess he noticed that he was running and shot her more because she went like this and then all of a sudden she just fell right in front of junior and myself. that's when we said, oh my god,
so me and junior immediately we just got on to the floor. he hid under tables because i have -- we sit up outside in tables and they were covered with the table cloth that it was black. that's literally where we were hiding. and then all of a sudden there was no music, no shot and then we heard when they said get out, junior was more quicker to get out because he was in the table was closer to where the exit was going to be. i was in the other side. so when i got -- when i was able to get up and ran behind junior, i noticed that i didn't saw his face. i just saw a gentleman walking and then i saw the rifle pointing towards the floor so i knew it was him but when he was going from the inside going towards the courtyard, instead of me continuing to run, i went back. and hid under the table and then when i noticed that i was going to go back into where i was,
there was this young lady right there. and she was nervous, ranting, screaming, crying. and because there was no music, and no shotguns, i literally went on top of her and i covered her mouth. because i didn't want him to see because when i literally went to the floor, there was a gap that i was able to see the door. and he was walking just getting closer and closer and closer. so i literally was just covering her and when he was getting closer, that's when you noticed that when i heard and i saw the cartridge went to the floor and then i hear when there was one put back in. and it was a big noise when it just -- it said -- and then he did another step but then he just all of a sudden he just turned back. and continued walking towards the inside. as soon as he walk into the
inside, then you were still again hear the gunshots. when i saw that he was on the inside and then i got up, turned and when i looked because the table was almost facing the door, when i look, i was just hearing and you would just see the bodies already on the floor. they were literally just jumping and then into -- more than i got up and quicker that i was just going and grabbed a young lady, you would literally see him. i saw the back and he was just going bop bop bop and you would see the bodies just jumping inside and he was just literally -- and because he was turned, then i just immediately ran off. with the young lady. and they were -- as soon as we walk off, there were two officers towards the fence already with their guns. and then just literally walk us out. but that's when i really saw. >> you were separated from your husband. >> yeah. >> junior.
what was that like? those moments? >> oh, it was terrible because i thought -- as soon as junior walk out and as soon as i walk back in and i saw him, his feet getting more closer to where i was, and i tried to cover more her mouth because i was afraid that if he would hear us, there's no way for me or her to get out because the way that the table was set there was no entrance, no exit there. so i was afraid that where he might go behind the table and just shoot or just turn around where we were. it was -- it was shocking. yeah. it was just literally say, okay, well, there. but tried my best and cover her so he would not hear. all of a sudden, it was just you think, you know, sometimes you don't think about yourself. the first thing is about your kids. you won't see them no more.
junior and if he's okay. because when i saw him got out, yes, he was -- he had blood on his clothing so sometimes oh my god, he got hit. but when i was finally able to see him, you know, it was okay. but it's hard. it was hard. the most thing is it was just seeing all these bodies just there in the middle. because sometimes you wanted and i don't know what made me do but instead of running and just going towards where i was, i was still running but i was still looking toward that door and just see him the way he was just shooting. on the ground. just literally at these people. they were already on the ground. >> you're okay. junior's okay. >> yes. >> try to think about that. try to keep that image. >> yeah. >> in your head going forward. samuel, thank you for talking to us and we're sorry you had to go through this and every day, every day you have with junior
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i'm outside the hospital in orlando with two of my cnn colleagues. you've been focusing on the gay and lesbian community here in orlando. what are people saying to you? what are they expressing? >> i think people are still in shock. i think this is a community that's still reeling from this tragedy. i think last night at the vigil rang one for each of the victims, that was one that i've been spending a lot of time with people, that's when this became real. i've met people met 10, even 17, in one case, people who died in the club. i think the scope and depth of that within the lgbt community here is almost impossible to describe. >> it's also i think hard for people who are maybe not gay or lesbian or transgendered to understand the role that a gay club can play in a gay person's life. when we heard that this guy,
according to this guy, saw two men kissing on the street and it upset him, it's so rare to see gay people skkissing on the strt or holding hands, sometimes a gay club is the only place you see that. >> i've heard from a lot of people in the lgbt community that they really onto have each other, if their families have rejected them, they really are family. one guy who i talked to this morning who lost five of his friends in the club told me it was like five chunks of his heart were pulled out. >> i know one of the young men who died had just come out to his family this year and he had been concerned about how his family would react, thinking that they might reject him but in fact they embraced him which is an extraordinary thing and certainly given that he lost his life, thank god for his family that they did do that, that they
had this last year with him. >> we learned from all the tragedies one of the most important things you have is family. as we speak, anderson, you have families getting on planes in venezuela, cuba, guatemala, dominican republic and puerto rico and some of these parents don't even know that their child was gay and they have to find out that their child is gay and dead. this is something in the latino community that we don't like to talk about. that word ma cheese mow is a very powerful word and parents and family. now is the moment for latinos everywhere to -- look, they all have issues, we get it. the church has issues. many of us grow up catholic or are very religious but you don't want to be in a situation where this is the moment where you learn your child is gay because you couldn't come to grips with it. many of those kids at that club
were in the safest place they could be because maybe their homes weren't safe or there wasn't tolerance. that's one of the messages i hope comes out of this tragedy. >> there's also the fear -- i've talked to a number of survivors of people who lost friends in that club, what happens now. i know there's a whole sort of thing online of people showing photos of men kissing because this idea that you know what, if person person can be so outraged that they saw two men kissing on the street, that i think there's a reaction among many gay people to want to normalize it, to want to -- if we're truly to be equal, we should be allowed to hold hands on the street and not fear of being yelled at or attacked or killed. >> i think that's one of the scary things. i've talked to couples who say they are nervous about holding hands in orlando now and at the vigil they were looking over their shoulders, looking up in parking decks trying to see is there something that could
happen. >> i saw tweets from people who say i don't like to see any kissing, whether it's straight or gay. i don't know that i would walk in an airport hand in hand with my partner, and yet you see straight couples doing that all the time. you risk getting -- even if not physically attacked, yelled at or star stared at. >> a public display of affection is on your desk, it's a wedding ring. >> it's not about making out with somebody. it's about holding hands. >> no one really likes that. what's destructive right now is what's happening, for example, with these pastors. there's a lot of pasters, one in particular in sacramento who said 50 pedophiles died. we're happy. this is on youtube. he had to take it down. we have a mexican government official who went on and put on his facebook, 50 dead, i wish it was 100.
now, he's since been fired, but this is some of the stuff that we're talking about that we have to confront and i happen this allows us to have that kind of dialogue. >> thank you for your work and for being here. brooke, back to you. >> anderson, thank you so much. before we go to break i want to tell you i was talking to a member of orlando law enforcement and as we're mindful of course of not only the victims and the survivors in orlando and the tremendous hospital staff, the doctors, the nurses, the first responders, also the medical examiner's office. he was just passing along to me one detail, that in those initial hours that the medical examiner was receiving all of these bodies, just imagine the sheer volume, that they were challenged because phones were constantly ringing, not their own phones, phones in the pockets of the young men and women who had lost their lives and who they were working on at the m.e. office and presumably phones, calls from loved ones trying to find them, trying to find them. just mindful of that here.
♪ and friends just can't be found ♪ ♪ like a bridge over troubled water ♪ ♪ i will lay me down ♪ like a bridge over troubled water ♪ ♪ i will lay me down >> just wanted to end these two hours with something just so absolutely beautiful. this is the london gay men's chorus. you know the song. this is simon and gar funkle's "bridge over troubled water" as part of a vigil here in orlando. thousands of people by the way were in the streets, including the new mayor of london. how about that. thank you so much for being with me here today. we are back in orlando tomorrow,
and our special live coverage continues now on "the lead" with jack tapper. ♪ and pain is all around, like a bridge over troubled water ♪ it won't make us more safe, it will make us less safe. >> welcome to "the lead." i'm jack tapper. se seemingly unprecedented, the president today taking to the east room of the white house that in his view, donald trump is a threat to the nation. mr. obama did not use those words, but that was his clear messa message. sources close to the president tell cnn that the speech reflects the following concerns of the president. one, the president's belief that