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all those people out celebrating july fourth together. they're getting fit. it's team work, even the running is a solitary sport, it's really not when you're running with that many people. you go, atlanta. thank you for joining me today. i'm carol costello. at this hour with burmen and boldoain starts now. hello i'm john burmen. indicate bold win is off today. it is the fourth of july. happy birthday, america. while some folks might have the day off, it seems like a months worth of politics just took place on twitter in the last hour. donald trump tweeting -- donald trump i should say tweeting just moments ago, dishonest media is trying their absolute best to depict a star in a tweet as a star of david. rather than a sheriff's star or plain star. what's this about? well, it's in response to the controversy over this tweet,
which trump sent n and later deleted, showing a picture of hillary clinton over a pile of cash and next to her the star of david with the words -- most corrupt candidate ever. now, the tweet has since been updated to remove the star. also on twitter and just the last few minutes, donald trump completely unprovoked has been floating the names of people considered possible vice presidential selections. it couldn't possibly be to deflect attention from that other twitter stuff, could it? we'll get to the veep stakes float in just a minute. first, jason carol joins me with the latest on toik twitter feed. jason. >> we've heard donald trump blaming the media in the past. this time it works. this time his critics say it's not going to work. the candidate himself has to answer for and the reason for that is there have been a number of jewish leaders, jewish groups who have spoken out about this particular tweet. now, what trump is basically saying is -- it's not just
trump. you have cory lewandowski saying, this is something that represents not the jewish star of the david. you see the image there, that was originally posted versus the one they changed it to. the star, the circle versus the star. they're saying this is a star that represents a sheriff's department, not a star that represents the jewish star of david. one of his campaign advisers tried to explain how this tweet came to be this morning and he had a tough time doing it. here is the reason why -- this is a tweet that originally appeared on a neo-nazi website. but this is how ed brookover tried to explain how this tweet came to be this morning. take a listen. >> not every six-sided star was the star of david. there was no intent here at all. so, you know, we corrected this tweet and it moved on. there's no anti-semitism in mr. trump's body, not one ounce, not once cell. and so we corrected this image and it's time for us to move on.
there is nothing, nothing, nothing about mr. trump that suggests anti-semitism. >> and he went on to say that he would not at this point expect mr. trump to apologize for that. he also went on to say, of course, that donald trump's son-in-law is jewish, his daughter ivanka that she converted, but at the end of the day this is something that the candidate, many of his critics say is going to have to answer for himself. >> again, just to be clear, this was not some retweet. it appeared on donald trump's own twitter feed. >> that's correct. >> and the image, there have been investigations into where it came for, it was spotted before on someone who regularly posts anti-semitic stuff, the only other place it was seen was on this message board which traffics in anti-semitic, racist stuff. >> right. how do you come to blame the media for something like this, twisting it into something being anti-semitic when, in fact, this is something that originated on a website visited by neo-nazis. >> someone in the trump campaign
had to get it and put it on donald trump's feed, when, how, why, et cetera. we don't expect any apology coming any time soon. turn now to hillary clinton. she, too, had an interesting weekend. we have new details on the three-hour sit down she had with the fbi regarding her use of a private e-mail server while secretary of state. cnn justice correspondent joins me with the latest, good morning, evan. >> good morning. what's more patriotic on fourth of july staying three hours at the fbi headquarter answering questions about your e-mail server. that's how hillary clinton did it on saturday. this was a long anticipated interview. we've been waiting for it and we're told that this is expected to be one of the final steps before the fbi and justice department close out this now almost year-long investigation into her private server. clinton says that it was a very
good conversation. there was nothing hostile about the questioning. that she voluntarily showed up for this interview. she had been pushing for the fbi to do this interview for several months. the fbi wanted to wait to gather all the evidence in this investigation, this criminal investigation before finally talking to the principal, the person who is at the center of all of this controversy. now, we expect right at this point that the fbi will not find any charges to be warranted for setting up this private server. we know that obviously her political appointments wish that there was -- that she would get in trouble. perhaps there would be some mishandling of classified information charge that would be brought by the justice department, but at this point we're told that that is not the case. the evidence does not warrant that. now we have to wait to see what came out of this interview on saturday, john. obviously there are times that people make mistakes in these interviews that then come back to haunt them. we've seen that certainly in many other cases.
we expect the final decision will come down in the next week or so, john. >> of course the democratic convention is three weeks away, so a week would be well before that. evan, just quickly, if there are no charges is, it possible that the fbi still comes out with some kind of statement or some kind of information about what she did right and wrong here in whether her behavior, you know, was against the rules or close to against the law? >> that is exactly what we expect to happen. we expect -- this is unusual case obviously. the fbi often closes out cases and simply sends out a letter perhaps and says that there will be no charges. the justice department would send letters like that. in this case, we anticipate there will be a public statement because of the great public interest in this case, john. and this is where she could still have some problems. i don't expect that she'll emerge unscathed. after all, setting up this private server was very bad judgment on the part of mrs. clinton and her team. >> all right, evan perez, thanks so much. let's discuss this, let's
discuss donald trump's twitter feed and so much more now with former trump campaign strategist, michael and cnn political commentator and south carolina state representative vicari sellers. he represents hillary clinton. michael, great to see you. i feel like i haven't seen in two hours or so. since we last spoke, jonathan green blat national director of anti-definition league, he was on cnn. he was talking about this tweet on donald trump's twitter feed with the star of david over $100 bills and calling hillary clinton the most corrupt candidate ever. this is what he had to say about that tweet and the fact that someone from the trump campaign decided to put it out. listen to what he said. >> well, it's an interesting question to ask why is your fact finding department focussing on fiction and how a major presidential campaign can be looking at racist websites or
anti-semitic sections of other online sources and using it to find content to share with the american public. i mean, look, the anti-defamation league has been fighting anti-semitism and bigotry for over 100 years. we don't normally engage in politics and don't want to as a nonprofit organization, but the fact of the matter is these bigoted and presidential ideas don't belong in the public conversation and that's why we're speaking out. >> there are people, there are groups who were offended by this tweet, the fact it would go out on donald trump's official twitter handle. he did take that tweet down, changed it at least which indicates he realized there was something wrong with it. michael, what would it take for the trump campaign to issue some kind of apology or some kind of statement to say, hey, we shouldn't have done that. we gret that it happened? >> i think it would take the trump campaign making a mistake that was intended to offend someone. this was not intended to offend anyone. it was a tweet that they had a
geographic image -- gio metric image on it that some associate with the horrible days of nazi germany. i get that. clearly they get that. this was an unforced error. there's no question about it. otherwise they wouldn't have changed it. but to apologize for it, i don't think so. in the meantime, however, we're talking about an fbi interrogation of hillary clinton as some kind of conversation. let's face it, this whole tweet thing has been gemed up to subsume the story of the weekend which is the democrat nominee was interrogated by the fbi in a criminal investigation. >> did donald trump gem it up by sending out this image which most people believe is anti-semitic? >> exactly. >> most people i'm not sure that most people believe it. in fact, i spent a good part of the afternoon here in my little village of new york showing people at the fireworks where we have thousands of people, showing them that tweet and asking them what they found offensive about it. not one person found it
offensive. the media finds it offensive. the hillary clinton campaign wants you to find it offensive. therefore we're talking about it. >> the fact that it was originally produced by folks who often traffic in that type of imagery -- >> did you know that? >> yes. it was found on this twitter feed by someone who regularly puts out anti-semitic and racist -- >> wait a second, can you tell me for a fact -- do you think somebody from the trump campaign went and visited this? >> i have no idea. we're asking -- we're wondering if the trump campaign -- no, we don't know for a fact because the trump campaign won't tell us how it came up with that image. that's exactly what we're trying to guess from that. >> john, i can tell you this. i sat in the same room, the same office with the head of social media and they are deluged at all times, incoming images who want the campaign to use them. so the idea that somebody was sitting up late at night trolling on some kienld of a fa shis website is laughable to me. they come in by the thousands at
the trump campaign. >> well, someone wants the trump campaign to use this imagery which had appeared on anti-semitic sites. let's leave that there. i want to ask allison an important question also about twitter. over the last hour, donald trump has floated the names of three people considered by many to be on the short list for vice president on twitter, mentioning it unprovoked. one sided interview by chuck todd, the end result was solid. spent time with mike pence and family yesterday. very impressed. great people. then minutes later, i look forward to meeting joanie ernst today in new jersey. she is a great senator of iowa. we'll talk whether these people would be good or bad picks for donald trump. i'm fascinated by the timing of this leak by donald trump himself. it almost seems as if he is trying to create attention other than say this other twitter
controversy over the weekend. >> well, i think at least on the twitter controversy with the star, they claim that it was used as a sheriff's star and that's the original intent of where they came up with the star. and i can see where some people may take offense. a lot of folks walk around this world hearing dog whistles 24/7. they claim this was a sheriff star. i take them at their word for it. i do believe this is a huge distraction by many in the media to take away from the fact that hillary clinton was hauled before the fbi yesterday for questioning. and, i think there is more should be paid attention to that story than this tweet. as for the three names that donald trump threw out there, tom cotton, phenomenal senator in my state of arkansas, i think he would be a tremendous pick. joanie ernst and certainly mike pence. the speculation is that he may possibly float the name out there prior to the convention. he had been saying that it would not be announced until the convention, but i think this is
good to get some names out there, get the conversation going and oftentimes a lot of folks are going through the vetting process but what the campaigns do is put names throughout to try to get some feedback from those in the media and from voters. i think this is nothing more than his opportunity to get some names out there and generate some buzz in advance of the convention. >> generate buzz to be sure, which is something that donald trump is very good at. again, he put those tweets out in rapid succession this morning which was very interesting. okay, the republicans here, they want to focus on the three and a half hour meeting this weekend that hillary clinton had with the fbi, we call it a meeting. she had to answer questions from the fbi about an investigation into her use of e-mail while it was secretary of state, three and a half hours of questioning, three weeks before the convention. evan perez just reported, even if she is not indicted or no charges, there could very well be a scathing report that says what hillary clinton did was very, very wrong here.
how does the campaign deal with that? have they answered these questions sufficiently? >> well, i mean, three and a half hours when you're talking about an fbi interview is really not that long of a period of time, especially when you're talking about the volume of information that they've been dealing with, but we are -- this is where the process end. there is light at the end of the tunnel. this is imminently coming to a conclusion and i think that hillary clinton and the campaign are very thrilled that at least we get to the point where we can breathe this sigh of relief. this is the last block between her and being the 45th president of the united states. so, i think you will have that sigh of relief. i know that -- listened to evan perez report earlier and said there may be some statement about what she did right or wrong. that's not usually done in this process. usually there's some investigation or some target, there's a letter written or a brief blush there will or will not be charges. i'm interested to hear what fashion, what type of report director quomi of the fbi will do. that is something that's not usually done in this process.
>> bakri, you say the campaign will be thrilled. what's to be thrilled on her numbers to be honest and trustworthy, one of the latest polls said is hillary clinton honest and trustworthy, only 30% of the polls said yes. 66% said no. that is nothing to be thrilled about when you're the presumptive democratic nominee. >> well, i don't know. i've never been under federal investigation or have something around me under federal investigation, but when that is over and i've been deemed to have no criminal wrong doing, i think you would be thrilled about that. yeah, she has high unfavorable numbers. i mean, as i said earlier today, she's been the most admired woman in the world 20 times in a row. gallop does those pollings and she's been the most admired woman 20 times in a row. sustaining these attacks for two decades. her numbers are high. the blessing is in all this, the person she is running against dabbles the bigotry on a regular basis and has higher unfavorables than she does.
>> all right, bakari sellers, allis stewart, stick around. we'll go down the list of vice presidential selections and you will tell me later in the show who each candidate will pick as their running mate. stand by for that, guys. thanks a lot. also coming up for us, wave of terror, three attacks around the world, actually more if you go back further, what does this say about the capabilities of isis? plus, we are learning new details about the killers in the bangladesh, the father of one attacker is speaking out about his son. also ahead, fourth of july celebrations today, how are cities and states preparing for these in light of what's gone on around the world? new methods being used. we'll tell you all about them next. to keep up with the data from over 30 billion connected devices. just 30 billion? a bold group of researchers and computer scientists in silicon valley, had a breakthrough they called... the machine. it changed computing forever. and it's been part of every new technology
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a worry and watchful fourth of july in united states after alarming attacks across the world in iraq. the deadliest single attack in 13 years since the u.s. invasion began, at least 215 people were killed after a suicide truck bomb went off in a baghdad shopping district. bodies burned beyond recognition are still being pulled from the rubble. isis is claiming responsibility. bangladesh, investigators hope to get new insight into the standoff with terrorists that left 22 people dead. two people recovering from injuries are now considered suspects. a top government official in bangladesh is calling the perpetrators home grown terrorists without ties to isis. the group claimed responsibility. the rash of deadly terror in such a short span including the attack on turkey's main airport less than a week ago and the orlando attack where the gunman pledged his allegiance to isis, it does show that isis is capable of executing or
inspiring violent attacks beyond its stronghold in syria that has law enforcement in this country taking no chances has the nation celebrates 240 years of independence. ben, the attack in the district, that busy shopping area, the death toll keeps on rising. you can sense the despair ration of families looking for loved ones. >> reporter: yeah. we were there for about five hours right outside where the bomb went off. and we saw one group of people after another coming to try to get whatever information they can. of course the place is in utter mess because not only was there this massive blast but it caused huge fires in all of the buildings around it. now, i watched this one man was sort of sifting through the rubble on the ground and he found his brother's prayer beads. and he sort of concluded right there that his brother had died on the spot. he was sobbing and in tears, but
he had to call his mother and inform her that her son had died. another woman i spoke with told me that she had spent more than 24 hours going to every single hospital, every single morgue in baghdad, but was not only unable to find her son, she said that all she saw were unrecognizable charred bodies. in fact, the iraqi police are saying of the bodies they've recovered, 81 of them are simply charred beyond all recognition. they're going to have to use dna tests to determine the identity of the bodies. john? >> so much loss. ben weedman in baghdad. new details emerge about the cafe attack there. alexandra field, what are you learning? >> reporter: well, john, police are saying that they have two people in custody who were being considered suspects in this
attack. they say that both of the people they have in custody were injured in the cafe. they had initially identified one of them as the sole surviving attacker, but they say he is too badly injured from that clash with police to be able to talk to investigators. it's not clear who the other suspect is, but we do know that it's someone that was in the cafe as well. at the same time, we are learning from bangladeshi officials all of the assailants taking people captive, holding them hostage, slaughtering innocent victims were each bangladeshi five were militants were being pursued by authorities. they range from in age from 18 to mid 20s. we're told they were all upper middle class and well educated. i spoke to the father of the youngest attacker, an 18-year-old today. he tells me his son disappeared from the family home months ago. they weren't able to find him. they were looking for the help of law enforcement. he didn't know his son had been
part of the attack until he saw images of his boy posted by isis showing his son's mouth, his jaws, his hands, grasping a gun. today, when we spoke, his father broke down tearfully, offering condolences to the families of the victims and telling me -- this is not the son he knew. >> what he did -- i don't know how to say. it is not his decision. he cannot do violence. it's not possible. >> what do you say to the families to the loved ones of the people who died in that restaurant? >> i don't know what to say. i want to apologize to them on behalf of myself. he has god for all the punishment. but i don't know how much
involved he was. how willingly he was involved. >> before his son disappeared back in february, the father says that his boy showed no signs of religious extremism or radicalization. he also tells me he has not gone to identify his son's remains because he just doesn't want to belief that his boy is inside of that body. john? >> alexandra field in dhaka for us. thanks. there's ramped up security in the united states after all these attacks in the world. extra officers out in force, thousands in some cases patrolling what could be targets across the country. plus, donald trump, the candidate himself, floating the names of possible running mates. this isn't the way that campaigns normally do it. there's normally some slight of hands, some coy hints. let the veep stakes begin. caring for someone with alzheimer's means
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it is the fourth of july, so many cities and states on high awlert today for their celebrations. this as we've seen so many attacks around the world over the last several days and weeks. baghdad, bangladesh, istanbul, not to mention here in the united states in orlando just a few weeks ago. joining us now cnn international diplomatic editor nick ro sbertson and bob bare. bob is also a cia operative and also with us cnn global affairs analyst kimberly dozer. when you look at baghdad, more than 200 killed, bangladesh, more than 20, istanbul, dozens and dozens all even claimed by or linked to isis.
what is isis trying to do right now? is this a new wave of attack they're trying? >> well, it shows that even though isis is under siege militarily inside syria and iraq, they can still command some of these attacks and inspire far more. they knew that this military confrontation and loss of territory was coming. and u.s. intelligence officials tell us that as far back as two years ago they started deploying operatives to places like europe, clandestine networks across the african content and possibly even in the united states. the idea being when they needed to draw attention elsewhere, they would activate these cells or lost communication with these cells they would act on their own to keep isis' name in the headlines. >> bob, the u.s. is supporting efforts in syria and iraq to take back territory from isis, their so-called caliphate.
what does isis need with the land? if they can carry out or inspire these attacks around the world even as they're losing ground we're told by military officials here, what does the land matter to them? >> in a sense, it doesn't matter much. the caliphate will go away. they need land to have a caliphate. but the problem is these cells, like the cells in baghdad, it's very easy to make these truck bombs. this thing was devastating. it was 150 dead, hundreds more wounded. the problem is iraqis have is you can make these things in a big garage. it's very easy. they're very good at it. they make the detonators work. bangladesh, isis-inspired probably, they don't need direct communications. if you can get weapons. the problem is what we're seeing across the world is a backlash, a backlash the fall of fallujah, ra maddy, this is the politics of december pyre. people identify with the sunnis in iraq and syria.
they're striking out when they can. it's a sign of weakness. on the ore hand, they can kauds cause a lot of bloodshed on the other hand. >> iraqi forces in fallujah, were able to take back fallujah from isis, yet this terror attack happens in the iraqi capital and the prime minister has shoes thrown at him just weeks after he helped eed reta fallujah. >> what isis is doing with this particular attack in baghdad, it's very pertinent to the iraq part of the picture for them. they chose a shia neighborhood, sunni. they're trying to create as much of a sectarian division as absolutely possible. now, the prime minister is a shia and he -- those were shia people throwing shoes and rocks at him. there are division within the shia community that there's nothing isis would like better than that. what they would really like is
create a situation in iraq that is so polarized in a sectarian basis there's no way that a shia-led government in baghdad can run the sunni west of the country. and in their minds, they would be the ones sweeping in to try to take control and manage. there will come a point that the iraqi government if it can't work with the sunni tribes in fallujah and ra maddy and the other places will have a big weakness in the west. isis, you know, in their minds is not going away. they're absolutely losing territory. they are lashing out in the ways that they can. but to a degree what we're seeing is the maturation of their ability to use this caliphate that is central to their raise. if they don't have the caliphate, if we can take the land back, then that is a massive, massive blow to themselves. they can no longer call themselves caliphate. but they're lashing out through the maturation of the networks so they've inspired in other parts of the world. that's the dangerous part of this, of course. >> kimberly, what are your
military sources telling you right now about future efforts about the so-called capital of their caliphate and mosul and raqqa? >> they're having to work slowly because they're working through partners, but the other thing that they're doing is slowly choking off each area, rather than going directly for them. preparing the ground it's called so that isis by the time they get the full onslaught of iraqi forces in mosul or in raqqa they will be starved out and under pressure and having infighting within their own organization, at least that's the plan. i think what people forget, though, is that isis itself has an apocalyptic vision which require is it at some point to lose the town which is about northeast of aleppo by about 30 miles and that then, according to isis' beliefs triggers a
victory for them where they go -- they fight for jerusalem and then supposedly their caliphate expands. so, what we see as a loss, they're seeing as a signal for future victory. >> nick, bob, kimberly, thanks so much. want to turn to politics right now and the list of possible running mates for each major candidate right now. just moments ago, something extraordinary, donald trump, the candidate himself, floated several names of possible vice presidential picks. which one is the most likely? we'll discuss. ms. think big. or demand your own space. don't you dare leave it all behind. don't you dare ask what's next. introducing the first-ever cadillac xt5.
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stakes, everyone. >> i support donald trump to be the next president of the united states of america. >> i would like to ask one question, newt, you going to do it? >> there's a lot of speculation. none of you should bet. >> hillary clinton has to pick a running mate also. >> i'm simply not going to speculate. >> you should tuk the hillary clinton campaign, but what i do know is on the democratic side, there's many fabulous candidates. >> it is the veep stakes. normally it's like campaign insiders and friends of friends who hint at possible names of people being vetted and speculation. not with the trump campaign today. no. it was donald trump himself, the candidate, who in a speed of tweets floated names for the world to see in three separate tweets. he praised the senator from arkansas and said he was very impressed after spending time with governor mike pence and said he was looking forward to meeting joni ernst in iowa today. they're meeting in new jersey. the only people not interested in being the vp pick are the people who have not been asked.
cnn political director joins me right now. david, i think it is fascinating that donald trump -- i don't recall a candidate just all of a sudden listing names, you know, one morning for the world to see of people he is meeting with to be vp. >> that's nothing new that donald trump does this differently than every other candidate we've seen. we should fully expect that. but you're right. i mean, to say -- to put out on twitter, hey, i'm meeting with joni ernst today when she is on his list of potential contenders just sort of invites the speculation frenzy that goes with this job. listen, i do think that we are entering that window now where this announcement could come. i mean, he's only two weeks away from the start of his convention. he had initially really talked a lot about wanting to hang on to this surprise for the convention and maybe he still will. but there have been arguments out there now that maybe he wants to get this out a little bit ahead of time to build up a
head of steam going into the conventi convention, but you see the contenders there, newt beginngi, chris christie, joni ernst, we know that gingrich and chris the are meeting over the weekend. >> it's interesting the public vetting taking place. the clinton and the democrats more traditional, we get winks and nods and things like that and behind closed doors. >> right. everybody who is on the list and being vetted now is in this awkward position because they're asked about it all the time and they want to say nothing about it, so you heard cory booker's answer to brianna on "state of the union" yesterday, please direct that question to the clinton campaign. again, i think we've seen some narrowing of hillary clinton's list. certainly senator tim cane from
virginia, elizabeth warren, sharrod brown of ohio and a few others we don't have right there, what each of these folks mean, what do you need to balance out the ticket? i don't know that anyone is going to deliver something for hillary clinton to round out a resume, a missing piece of a resume or hopefully deliver a state. she seems to be much more focussed on wanting a governing partner she can really envision working with everyday, day in and day out should she get elected for four, eight years. and i think that's where we're sort of being guided to look at more than trying to sort of check a political need box. >> she can also wait. she can see who donald trump picks and figure out if she wants to counter that pick with her pick and see how the republican convention goes and wait to make her pick. that's another dynamic. david chalian, thanks so much.
happy fourth to you. let's discuss this veep stakes. former communication director for ted cruz and bakari sellers and kimberly dozier. i want to rifle through some sort of rocket round questions here. i want to ask each one of you who you think the pick will be for your candidate or for the republican or democratic candidate and who you think the best pick would be. allis stewart, you are not affiliated with a campaign in any way, let me ask you first for donald trump, who do you think the pick will be? and who would the best pick be? >> i think we're looking at someone like newt gingrich and chris christie. the person who has the most momentum ted cruz has tremendous momentum, needless to say there's some water that needs to be mended in between the two candidates, but that would be my pick. and for hillary clinton, i think tim cane would be a good pick for her and i think he will be
the pick for her. but either way, i think both of them are going to pick someone that will not steal the spotlight from them. >> allis, you're not suggesting he would entertain the notion of being trump's pick, are you? >> i'm not saying that at all. i'm saying who i think would be the best vp given number two coming out of the primary has tremendous support. he is the leader of the conservative movement right now and i think he would be the best pick. >> bakari sellers, lay it out for us. hillary clinton, who do you want her to pick and who do you think she will pick? >> who do i want her to pick, secretary thomas perez. i've been wrestling with this the past few weeks. he is hispanic, he is brilliant, he brings the labor movement, he brings the left to the party and he can govern from day one. he would be my pick. and who i think she will pick, i think that you'll have a final three, tim cane, i think you'll
have secretary perez and you'll also have representative basara. those three would be the final three that get a good look. >> hedging his bets that is noted. donald trump, who do you think the front-runner is right now for the trump selection and who would you pick if you were donald trump? >> i think mike pence is in the lead in this thing. he not only has experience of ceo of an important state, a state that by the way is a must hold state for donald trump. he's also got a real resume in the house of representatives where he was a member of the republican leadership and did great things in the armed forces committee and judiciary committee. i also like tom cotton and joni ernst because they're veterans. tom cotton's back story is incredible. joni ernst, iraq war experience as well, both would bring real color and real personality to the ticket, some real experience. on hillary clinton's side, i
think it should be cory booker. i like cory booker. he is a guy when he talks i listen because he sounds like a democrat in the mold of jack kemp. it would do hillary clinton good. >> all right. now let's pick a part all of these selections you just made and find out what's wrong with all of them. alice, let me start with you. michael was talking about the idea of mike pence. he can't run for eelection of governor of indiana. do you think that's something mike pence would be willing to do? >> anyone given the opportunity to be considered for vp would certainly do that. and also i think he also is a good pick, certainly a top contender. we understand that paul manafort is pushing for him quite cig f significantly and would be a good pick and willing to roll the dice. in the end, i think thigs a great conversation, great to talk about. as we get closer to the general, i think the vp picks are not quite as consequential as we
like to talk about at this point. we get down closer to november, it's all about how well they perform in these debates. but this is certainly a good conversation for now. >> i agree with you on both those fronts. history shows it's not typically the vp pick that matters but it is really fun to talk about. we'll keep on talking about it. barari, i want to ask you about tim cain because in some ways he is considered by democrats to be a safe pick, he has been both governor and senator in a swing state, catholic. a lot of progressives, lot of bernie sanders throwing shade, as they say on tim cain. our friend who works for us at cnn said if it's tim cain, he threatens to vote green. >> well, i think that you'll hear a lot of that but progressives will coalesce and i think tim cain would be great candidate. i do think that hillary clinton in the mold of democratic party, not just the democratic party but the map 270 requires some diversity which is why you see a
lot of us pushing for the mayor of los angeles. so i think that she will hedge her bets and i think she will go with a more diverse pick than tim cain. he is a very popular pick. he will be a great vice president. but let me just shoot down a few things for you. i know we mentioned cory booker, sharrod brown, elizabeth warren, all of those have republican governors who would then be able to replace them. the last thing we want is to have chris christie replacing a united states senator for all we know chris christie may appoint himself. >> we are getting word from the clinton campaign there are democrats who say the clinton campaign wants to avoid the possibility of a republican governor replacing vp with the republican senator. thanks so much for being with us and playing today's veep stakes game. appreciate it. >> thank you. authorities here in the united states on the fourth of july on high alert. terror is on the minds of security professionals, that as the spade of attacks around the world left hundreds dead.
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continued grieving over the terror attack that left 20 people dead. let's discuss with former u.s. ambassador, james moriarty. thanks so much for being with us. what is your sense now of the reach of isis in south asia, bangladesh, india, pakistan? >> i think it is clear that isis is trying to recruit young people from particularly bangladesh but also pakistan,
india, to join their movement to form what i have heard called wolfpacks in their home countries to spread the sishus ideology. >> we are learning some of the identity of the attackers there. these are people who come we are told from educated, upper middle class families. is that surprising to you knowing what you know of bangladesh? >> not really. fundamentalists have been trying to recruit. nonviolent fundamentalist groups have been recruit ing in the universities of bangladesh for a while. it is the upper middle class and middle class that spend a lot of time on the internet. it is not the villagers who don't have access to ipt net. they are the ones who have proven in the past to be sus september i belie acceptable to the message. >> we have seen other attacks on
westerners. they are seemingly deliberate, targeted attacks by extremists. why is that nation fertile ground for islamic extremism. >> you have always had a small number of people believing in a relatively fundamentalist version of islam versus the moderate version of islam practiced by most of the people in the country. when you combine that with the political polarization, the courts banning the largest islamist priority from participating in elections, you have freed up a lot of people who would have gone to that party in the past who might have participated in the very violent youth wing of that party in the past. they are all of the sudden free to go where they want. free to listen to people who have an even more violent message and to do more violent things in the country. >> ambassador, there are many americans who don't know a lot about bangladesh. as you are talking about terror
right there and the possibility for future terror, what is the reach of law enforcement in that nation? the capabilities of the police or law enforcement there. >> well, you know, i think the law enforcement has been confused by mixed messages from the politicians in the sense that the government has believed that the opposition, the main opposition political party has been behind these attacks even though they have been virtually no credible evidence produced to support that thesis. by fear that instead of trying to track down the evidence to wherever it leads, the police have actually been a little bit intimidated by the political messaging that's been going on up to now. >> we know that isis likes to breed on political instability. ambassador james moriarty, thanks for being with us. >> thanks very much. we are going to shift gears
and tell you about some breaking news from the world of sports, specifically the nba. that man, kevin durant, very good at basketball, just signed a free agent contract with a basketball team that is already very good. kevin durant is going to the golden state warriors. he was the biggest free agent of the year, one of the biggest free agents in years. andy scholes joins us now. someone told me it was like elvis joining them. >> it is unbelievable. the warriors were a draymond green suspension away from being the greatest team, winning 73 games in the regular season. one game away from beating lebron before dray mondmond. this signing of durant is unbelievable. you rarely see one of the best teams ever sign one of the best players ever. they don't really time out that
way. warriors still have a bunch of friendly contracts. steph curry only makes $11 million, $12 million. draymond green just got paid. clay thompson is looking for a friendly deal. with the cap rising, it was available to sign kevin durant. this changes the landscape of the entire nba. warriors, the clear-cut favorite to win it next year, eve thoen they already were. i can't imagine anyone being able to beat this team. they look too good. >> at last, they have signed someone who can get a three-point shot. maybe they will win 83 games in an 82-game season. >> kevin durant going to the golden state warriors, we'll have more on this and so much else right after the break.
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hello, everybody. i'm jim sciutto in today for ashleigh banfield. welcome to "legal view." security for americans on the minds for americans as the july fourth holidays gets underway. as isis makes good on its pledge to increase terror attacks during the holy month of ramadan. the latest incident, a suicide truck bomb that ripped through a neighborhood in baghdad. it is now being called the single deadliest terror attack in iraq since 2003. imagine that.