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would maybe say this is one of the last places i would expect violence like this to break out. >> i would agree with you, doug. this is slas. we haven't had any incidents here. i think our law enforcement is professional. >> this is cnn breaking news money. >> we have been looking at reports from our affiliate ktvt. this is "cnn tonight." i'm don lemon. police saying this is an active shooter situation and warning protesters to flee the area. we're also being told they are being told to clear downtown. eyewitnesses describe a scene of complete pandemonium and say they heard 20 gunshot in rapid succession. again, that is our breaking news tonight from dallas, texas, as we look at these live pictures, s.w.a.t. team on the scene.
this is the second s.w.a.t. vehicle we have seen. ben ferguson, who is a dallas resident and frequently seen here on cnn joins us now by telephone. ben, what are you hearing from sources there in dallas? >> one, that this was a shooting that was definitely inended people are saying there are more than two officers that could be injured in this shooting. they also have a man on the loose. this has been the core of downtown, an area considered to be very safe. this is right by -- [ inaudible ].
there's a lot of public transportation in this area. now you have dart and dallas police that were the target of this situation where this took pleas. and the shooting, from i've been told from several that i've been talking to, is that this was a very purposeful shooting at police officers. that was the intent of this. they were the target at this rally. >> there are reports in the area that more officers were shot
than two. i want to tell our viewers we only have confirmed two officers. >> that's what i was told and i want to make that clear, i was told as many as six people were injured during this shooting from what i was told from a couple of different people from around law enforcement. the part that is most shocking is that this is still an active shooting situation. the police doesn't know who this person or individuals could be. they're not even sure if it's one shooter or multiple shooters from what i've been told. this was a rally that was supposed to be about police brutality and obviously there are people that decided they wanted to go after these police that had nothing to do with what happened in minneapolis or nothing to do with what happened in baton rouge and this is where that rhetoric has gone tho th--o this point.
it's shocking in a town that you live in, you know there was a protest, it was covered -- >> ben, stand by, stand by. our affiliate there, ktvt. >> how far back to we have to go? >> yes. >> they're moving our affiliate back. >> this is a live situation. the news crews in dallas being pushed back. given, the confirmation that we have at least from our affiliates there, two officers shot.
there are reports that more officers may have been injured and that doesn't necessarily mean shot during this confrontation with police. we're also hearing that there were at least shots -- at last 20 shots in succession. we had an eyewitness at least on the often amanda kleen who lives in the area and was walking her dogs and all of a sudden she heard the shots and people were scattering and there were police officers everywhere. ben ferguson who knows the area well joins us on the often. you said it's the central business district, close to where j.f.k. was assassinated but it's a pretty popular downtown district. >> you have the local hub where all the bussing in the dallas
area. that area on your left is the corridor where all of the bussing comes through downtown. this is a heavily populated area. that's one of the reasons why you have so many people that come into this area for protesting because it's easy for people to get into using public transportation. you have not only the monorail that comes in but the actual buses that come in. i've been told police are going into parking garages and trying to clear because they're not sure if the shots were shot from the street or above. police officers have been going into one of the hotels on the corner here as well. when you say an active shooter situation, they're not at this point we're not sure if he could be in a building or gone into the parking garages or where these shots were fired from. this is an area where a lot of people also go for night life. there's some very famous restaurants down in this area.
earlier there was an individual who said he worked at an old, historic italian pizza places where a lot of tourists would go and eat. and you're close to those two flags to the picture on the bottom of your screen. it's obviously an historical spot where many tourists would go to see that location where you have right there by the book depository. a lot of town homes/condo. they are all within walking distance.
>> i'm going to need you to stand by. i'm going to get some other information in here. >> all the transportation in dallas, i'm getting word from dart media that all dart rail and bus service suspended in downtown dallas. this is the situation that we have in dallas. there is an active shooter situation happening, reports of two officers shot at a dallas protest. here with me political contributor van jones, neal franklin, a retired police major and tom bernie, a former new york police detective and ben ferguson, who lives in dallas, who is a frequent guest on our show and on cnn. here we have it, as we look at these live pictures of what's happening and van jones you mentioned it, hoping that it was a peaceful protest and that, you know, there was nothing out of
sorts in dallas but here we are. >> here we are and, you know, this is a very, very horrific moment in american history. what i want to say very clearly is violence is wrong, political violence is wrong. we are in danger now of being sucked into a culture of violence in the united states of america, which is a shocking thing to say, but we are either going to turn to each other or on each other. we're either going to come together or come apart. we are now at the precipice where there is too much violence. i think all parties need to take a big step back of obviously you cannot blame the peaceful protesters for any of this but we have too many guns in
america, too many frankly mentally unstable people in america and the normalization of possible violence. this could be a very important moment for all leadership on all sides to declare an opposition to this kind of stuff and also to call for some empathy and understanding. there will now be a tremendous amount of fear on both sides and we have to be a better country than this. >> kvtv -- ktvt is an affiliate. >> can those people not go anywhere or are they free to leave the area? >> reporter: they're free to leave the area. the problem is every direction you walk in, it kind of blocked off. so at this point we're kind of stuck. i suspect that if we keep walking behind us down main street that we can get back out that way. at this point they've even put up tape to contain us in this
area and stop pedestrians from walking into areas that they're just unsafe right now. >> ken, we'll check back with y you in just a little bit. two officers shot tonight, within taken to the hospital. dan baylor, what did you see? >> reporter: some of the witnesses said they appeared to see an undercover officer with what they thought was a gunshot wound rushed in. there appear to be ready stretchers, people in their scrubs, ready for more folks to be brought up apparently. we did see in the past couple of minutes two more stretchers with two more people being brought down the road and taken in the front of the emergency room here at baylor. i could not tell if they were police officers. again, the person that i mentioned before that was brought in that they thought was
an undercover was dressed in street clothes but had what appeared to be a police vest on. i want to bring in one of those witnesses now, nick van. i kind of paraphrased a little bit what you told me earlier but if you could tell us what you saw. >> my brother and i went to get coffee at a convenience store. my mom is in the cancer center. we saw this police car riding on his room at a high rate of speed, throwing sparks and everything. we came to the hospital and noticed everything was taped off and saw all the police cars. we got here right at the time that -- two undercover police officers with police vests on, one guy was all patched up on he is shoulder. and he did walk to the stretcher and get on himself with their help and they wheeled him in. everybody was calm in that sense but all the police cars getting here, you know it's kind of exciting. >> the first vehicle you described certainly didn't sound calm. the car roaring in here, sparks
flying tell me a little bit more about what happened when that happened. >> he came flying by us and we both knew something was wrong. we heard the sirens keep going off and we heard them stop pretty close. as we got back to the hospital, we noticed all the light and we walked this way. so we can see a bullet hole in the door of that same car -- >> you can see a bullet hole in that door of the car? >> of the same car on the opposite side of the wheel. we don't know about the other side. >> tell me more about that bullet hole. where is it? how do you recognize it as a bullet hole? >> it's from all i've seen a bullet hole, it just looks like a bullet hole in the white part of the car, kind of at the top of the door, toward the bottom of the window. it may not be but it sure looks like one. he care roaring in. i saw nobody come out of that car. i did see what appeared to be an officer with a bullet proof vest and gray shirt and another
officer in shorts cam out of a late-model avalanche and just wheeled him in. >> you're listening to our affiliate. they're interviewing witnesses on the scene. there's an active shooter situation still going on there and they're interviewing witnesses at the hospital who saw people coming in and describe what they saw and when it happened. we're also told that the dart, which is the rail and bus service in downtown dallas has been shut down. we're also getting information that -- and this is just in to cnn. the reports are that urgent dallas shooting, three dart officers shot. so it has gone now from two to three. three dart officers have been shot in downtown dallas according to the vice president of communications and engagements for dallas, his name is morgan lyons, the assistant vice president of communications and community engagement at the
dallas area of rapid transit, which is what dart stands for. unclear if other officers from other agencies have been shot. we're getting word now that three officers have been shot. that's a confirmation. others may be injured. as you heard, there was the scene of chaos at one of the hospitals. we know that when we were reporting, at least two officers had been shot, they had been taken to different hospitals. it is unclear if other officers and other agencies have been shot as well. we're also being told that there were other injuries which doesn't necessarily mean shot but injured, could be from people running or what have you. i'm getting information now that we are michael jackson, who was an eyewitness to the protests as well. joins us now by phone. michael, what do you know? >> good evening. how are you? >> i have been better. how are you is the question.
where were you and what did you see? >> me and my partner and my friend, we was all out there. i was probably out there chatting with a few people online. in the midst of everything, everybody's doing a peaceful protest, out of nowhere you see a couple of gunshot. immediately when i hear anything that's out of the norm, i run the opposite way of everything. so immediately we start running and my cousin, which is an officer, i needed to start trying to look for her and trying to call my family, where is my cousin. so a couple of people got trampled through all the pa pandamania and things and i hear officer down, officer down and now it's out of control. >> you were walking with your friends, you and your partner and some of your friends? >> yes.
>> what did you hear? >> first you heard a couple of gunshot, it's like fire crackers. immediately after that, it's a couple of more shots. you see everybody, sirens and then just out of control. >> you said that people were trampled? >> yes, people were trampled. people were picking them up, like a couple of indian people, a couple of black people in the midst of everything. it's out of control here in dallas. this is -- only thing i can do is just get to the house and get out of it because i do not want to get shot. >> so are you at home now ? >> yes, i immediately got home. i got out of everything. >> was the protest still happening? was it winding down? >> it was in the midst of the protest. it was like in the heart of it. it was peaceful, steady picking up, more people was coming out, more people doing peaceful protest but in the midst of it, it just -- gunshot started
coming out, barrelling out. >> ringing out. and did you see anyone get shot? >> that i did not see, don, because i immediately started running the opposite way up the steps because i don't want to see anything. and i don't want to be in the midst of anything like that. >> so you only heard shots. you didn't hear people saying anything? >> of course people were hollering. i saw a few people starting to try to pull their phones out to the videotape. i didn't want any part of it. >> what do you make of the situation in dallas. this is -- the central business detective is a very busy area. we don't know if it was connected -- >> this is my hometown, my home state. i'm here back and forth between texas and georgia. we have our ups and downs here and bumps in the road but this is something out of the ordinary. this never happened. if it did, it happened back in
the day. but this is crazy, don. this is crazy. i was reading facebook this morning. one guy in louisiana said we turned enough cheeks, now it's time for one-on-one. this evening is right before our eyes, it's unfolding. >> the people you are with, how are they? >> i'm back home but other people are still out. my phone is ringing while i'm on phone with you. but we're home in the house relaxing, sitting still with our mouths hanging wide open. >> okay. thank you, michael, we appreciate it. we're glad that you're safe. >> i'm going to bring in g.j. mccarthy, also a witness in the crowd. d.j., what did you see, what did you hear? >> i was under the impression that the parade was winding down. people were walking down to the main area near the garden, near
the parking garage where it sounded like it started. the crowd in front of me started to back away. people just took off and started hopping fences and i went forward and i still thought it was fireworks actually. so we went around to where that parking garage was and there was a guy, i don't know if he was dead, he was just holding him, trying to keep him calm. and that's when it really started to sound like gunfire. it sounded like two different kinds of guns. i don't know if the police were returning fire or not. i don't know enough about guns to know what kind they were. people started to spill out from the stairwell from the upper level yelling that something was up there with the gun. and i've been kind of moved back since then.
>> so you're still there. >> i am. was down at the omni where a whole bunch of cops ran but that looked like it cleared out. i'm not sure what that was. back where my colleagues are. there were three of us photographers that were covering the parade today so i'm headed back to where they were. >> you're a photojournalist for the dallas news so you're actually covering this, right? >> yes. >> if you have photos, we'd love to see them, by the way. >> you have to go through the desk for that. >> this is your video i am told, we did that, we did as much. let's listen. i want to look for a little bit.
>> g.j., dallas is on central time, right? >> yes, sir. >> so what time did this happen? >> close to 8. some of these rallies and marches went on longer. they all met near the courthouse, near delie plaza and they did a thing there, had some closing remarks and were walking back. it was still daylight so it wasn't quite like 9 here yet. >> any idea where or who the shots came from, who was being targeted? >> it was in front of me. i started making my way towards that parking garage and the way the cops were acting, that's where i thought they were. but talking to the people back at the paper, some folks thought it was at centro. it sounded the way the police
were responded, it's a big red garage for bank of america plaza. that's where i thought the shooter was, especially when all the people came spilling out of that stairwell. that's where i thought it was, there must have been somebody out there like a sniper or something. people kept yelling there was a sniper up there and it was just real chaotic. >> so you have been pushed back. you said they keep pushing you back. >> yeah, they'll sort of get a crowd of people, kind of gathered and then they'll say you guys have to move back and move back. they're kind of over near austin and jackson, there's a group of people there and that seems to be where there's a perimeter and now i see people move more freely. i'm not sure if this has started to wind down or not yet. >> we're told all the bart servic -- dart services, transit, are
halted right now. describe the area for us now. >> it's kind of cool in the hotel. everyone was asked to come out of the hotel with their hands up and they just let them back in. there's a group of police officers still hanging around behind the billing and it doesn't have the same intention feeling. there are pedestrians milling about but it pretty calm. the police choppers are still in the air so i assume they're doing something. >> the news choppers. we're taking a live picture as you're talking from our atillat, ktvt, which we thank for being so helpful. doesn't go anywhere, g.j., i'm going to continue to talk to you. there is an active shooter situation in dallas, texas. we've gotten word that three transit officers have been shot.
we've been told downtown dallas in a virtual stand still. we have d.j. mccarthy who was there and witnesses. you said it happened just before 10:00 eastern time, 9:00 central. dallas is on central time and you said you heard several gunshot, you thought it was fireworks and then people started to realize that it was not fireworks. >> that's right. and there had been a couple homeland security down austin street. they have their lights on at the courthouse down here. it sounded like fireworks. there was a couple of quick little pops and people started to run. i just figured they were having fun and then it got a lot less -- it got louder and more frenzied. >> did you ever see any of the officers? because as we were looking at
the live pictures from earlier, we saw the officers that were in combat gear and tactical gear. >> they started to actually suit up near the bus station. they started running out and running again towards like el centro college. i don't know if there was somebody in there or not. they were suiting up in tactical gear. i haven't seen any of the sw s.w.a.t. vehicles yet. they may be on the other side. >> we you have a host of s.w.a.t. team and officers at centro college. is it believed to be where the shooter may be holed up? >> i have no idea. i have seen that on the messaging system we have at work but it's unconfirmed. i don't know where anybody is
at. >> where are you again, g.j.? >> i'm south of the big greyhound bus station. there's a crowd of people just hanging around down there. that's one of the perimeters i got moved back and where a couple of my colleagues were at when this sort of got more controlled and less chaotic. >> we're also being told that there are people who cannot get off of some of the dart trains or buses. do you know anything about that? >> i do not, no. >> do you know anything about -- have you heard anything about -- besides injuries, anything graver than injury? >> i heard you guys when i was on hold saying there was no a third officer. i saw people wiping out when they were jumping the fences so i'm sure people kind of got hurt doing that. there was a lady, i took some photos of her that was laying down in the street. it was really far away.
it took me a minute to figure out it wasn't a police officer. i thought that was an officer down. people were yelling "officer down." i did hear the police yelling that. so when i saw someone in the street, i thought it was that. but it was a lady and she got up and hobbled off. she probably just fell and that was about a hundred yards -- >> i want you to hang on here. >> i'm going to have to leave here. let me get back to work. my bosses are probably listening wondering why i'm not working. happy to help. >> g.j. mccarthy, a dallas morning news photojournalist. here's the sad news have i to report to you. we're getting word now that at least four dallas transit officers have been shot, one has died. one officer is dead, four in total that we have so far shot. is that four so the al or five?
to be very careful here, four shot in downtown dallas, one is deceased. again, this coming from dart media. we know four officers shot, one is deceased. i will try to get you the correct numbers as soon as i get them. but here is the information. four dart police officers were shot in downtown dallas, one deceased, others not life threatening, no i.d.s yet, updates to come. so again we're learning that one officer has died in this shooting in downtown dallas. are these live pictures we're looking at? so you can hear as all this is going on yelling "black lives matter" at the protests there.
one officer dead, four shot. some of the crowd still on the scene. as you heard from some of the witnesses, many of the people just ran to safety. a lot of them were being pushed back, they keep pushing the perimeter back. there is an active shooter situation in the area. according to the people who live there, this is a very busy area. there is a community college called centro college. there's also the omni hotel. live pictures now. sorry about the noise. we don't have control of these pictures. our affiliate ktvt has been
helping us and our affiliate kdaf has been helping with ground shots. there appeared to be a standoff, crouched behind their vehicles and behind brick walls. cnn's ed lavandera knows the area well. what do you know, ed? >> reporter: i'm told that this is a horrible situation. we've heard from the dallas area rapid transit police, dart is the system that monitors the
transportation. you have dart officers and dallas police officers involved along the march in downtown dallas tonight. i'm told by a source with knowledge of the events unfolding there tonight that this is an extremely serious situation for the police department there and that as many as nine officers have been wounded tonight in that attack in downtown dallas. obviously this is a situation that is still unfolding, first responders and everyone responding to the situation and still trying to make sense and gather the exact numbers of what happened. everybody there in law enforcement knows the gravity of this situation and obviously with as many as nine officers wounded, it's an incredibly chaotic and dangerous situation, as everyone can clearly see unfolding there in dallas tonight. what is not exactly clear and what we're trying to gather, what agency, these officers are
a part of. dart officials have said that three of their officers have been wounded and one has been killed. there are still a number of other officers we're trying to account for and get updates on. the sheer -- the number that we're hearing here explains the gravity of the situation that law enforcement is dealing with there tonight. >> ed lavandera, stand by. as you heard from ed, dallas area rapid transition officers, we're being told four officers shot, one dead. ed lavandera is reporting that up to nine officers wounded in this dallas incident. ed said, as he reported, he's not sure of what agencies they're with. some with the dallas police department possibly but we know for sure one of the ones who died and one of the four shot is
with the dallas area rapid transit, dart, and now we're getting reports and confirmation that up to nine officers have been wounded. ed lavandera, this is his region, he knows it very well, he's joining us by phone now. ed, tell us about this area. >> reporter: this is actually just a block from our office in downtown dallas. i've been seeing reports of the march coming in, what would have stood out to me -- >> ed, will you please stand by. i have new information i need to report. this is the latest breaking news here on cnn, that we're getting from the dallas police chief. three officers are deceased now. two are in surgery, three are in critical condition. again, that is according to the city of dallas from the police
chief. again, we're hearing up to nine officers injured in this, three officers are deceased, two are in surgery, three are in critical condition tonight. now we're getting word that ten, that number has been upped to ten officers shot. ten officers shot, two snipers were the shooters. stand by, i'm just getting this in my ear. ten officers shot, two snipers, shooters, and three officers dead. do we know anything about the snipers? have they been apprehended? we do not know. again, here's what we know again. this is from chief brown. no suspects in custody. search is still under way. intensive search. as you can tell, i'm speaking
slowly because i'm being given this information from my producer in my ear. thank you, flip. two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions we're told during the protest rally. three officers are deceased at the moment, two are in surgery, three are in critical condition an intensive search for suspects currently under way. no suspects in custody at this time and they're asking that citizens with information regarding the shootings tonight call the dallas police department. and they're going to update us as soon as we get more information. we went on the air at 10 p.m., peaceful protests happening all around the country, dallas was one of them. just around 10 p.m., according to a photographer for dallas morning news and other witnesses on cnn, they heard gunshot, at least 20 in rapid succession. we watched it unfold, we watched
officers on the scene in tactical gear, we watched them rushing toward buildings, we watched them putting on their tactical gear, crouching behind cars and crouching behind brick walls. are these live pictures now? moments ago you can see there's someone on the ground, not exactly sure what's going on. this happened moments ago. here we are at 11:37 eastern time where ten officers now have been shot, two snipers, they believe, from elevated positions did the shooting during the protest. three officers confirmed dead at the moment. there's still no suspects in custody and there is an intensive search still under way in dallas, texas. do we still have our ed lavandera on the phone? >> reporter: yup, i'm here. >> ed, this is your region. again, you have this new
information. have you gotten any other information for us? >> reporter: we had been given that heads up that the news of the death of these officers was going to come as a complete and utter shot to many people there in the dallas community. so numbers of wounded is simply staggering. you look at the dallas police department's twitter feed over the course of the last few hours, the police department is very active on social media, internet and that sort of thing, the dallas police department was actually live tweeting as the march was going through downtown dallas. one of the pictures posted there on their social media site had officers posing with some of the marchers. it's fascinating and heart breaking to see those images now just juxtaposed with what is
happening there. obviously what is unfolding here and it's still a very active situation, is incredibly frightening. i'm seeing the areas where all of this is unfolding. there are a number of residence buildings that are in the immediate vicinity. there's a community college or central community college as well. there are also areas with popular restaurants and that sort of things as well as many hotels there in downtown dallas. so this is unfolding a few blocks away from delie plaza, obviously where president kennedy was killed and all of this is a situation that is very -- the parking garages were probably easy for active shooters to hide away.
a very difficult situation i would imagine for police officers to control this situation. exactly where the shooter or shooters go from here isn't exactly clear, but also getting people out of that area is a very difficult task. this is not too far away, as i was mentioning a little while ago, not too far away from the main bus station, greyhound bus station, there's the dallas public transportation connections is all through there as well. i understand that those operations have been shut down through most of downtown dallas. but this is a very difficult situation to control and i would imagine that the crowd were -- [ inaudible ] -- it was obviously going to be a very difficult situation --
>> okay, ed. >> you have an incredible mix of situations there in downtown dallas. >> ed is a texas native and as i understand you're on the road now but ed knows the the scene very well there. stand by, ed, i'm going to get back to you. but i want to get to bring in a former dallas police officers, named john matthews. officer matthews, are you there? >> yes, i'm here. >> i understand you're getting information from your sources. what are you hearing? >> i'm hearing still actively they're looking for two suspects at this time, there they've been making sure that public safety and nobody else gets shot is the top priority at this point. >> when you hear officer matthews -- ten officers shot by two snipers, three officers
dead, that's the latest information that we have. i mean, this has to be just horrific for you as a former officer. >> well, it is. you know, to see officers targeted by gunmen, multiple gunmen using a high-powered rifles or assault rifles, many of the witnesses said they heard multiple shots and target the men and women in blue that were out there protecting the citizens at this peaceful protest is just a horrifically day. it makes it more difficult for us to protect the citizens we're sworn to serve. >> what do you think officers around the country are doing
hearing this? >> i hope they're putting their vests on, hoping that they're keeping officer safety first and foremost in their mind. we teach you can't protect citizens when you can't protect yourself. when officers are being targeted, that is a very, very deadly situation. >> john, don't go anywhere. i just want to update our viewers and i'll get back to you. this is the latest information we have here at cnn. this all started to unfold at 10 p.m. eastern, there was chaos on the scene in dallas from a peaceful -- what was a peaceful rally that turned into chaos as shots rang out. according to chief brown, the dallas police department, it is -- it says "tonight it appears that two snipers shot ten police officers from elevated positions during the protest rally. three officers are deceased, two are in surgery and three are in
critical condition. an intensive search for suspects is currently under way. no suspects are in custody at this time. we ask that any citizens with information regarding the shootings tonight call that number." 214-671-3482. and, again, this is a shocking situation. please only use that number if you have information. they're going to provide more information and then they said "please keep us in your thoughts and prayers tonight." john matthews, if there were ever a truer statement, that's one right there, keep us in your thoughts and prayers. >> exactly. we need it tonight and as we move forward here. >> so as you are working there, you worked in the area for years. you're retired now, correct? or you're a former dallas officer. >> yes. and my expertise is in mass
shootings. as you saw tonight, we had citizens scrambling for cover, trying to get away from two snipers. and in the middle of downtown dallas, you know, you hear the rounds being fired, the echos off of the building and people were scrambling for their lives. unfortunately those that were targeted were the men and women trying to protect them. >> what does this tell you, the high powered rifles in this situation. when you hear high powered rifles from an elevated position, it doesn't appear to just be some angry person in the crowd. does this appear to be targeted and planned to you? >> oh, yes. this is a planned attack with primary victims. this was not like the orlando shooting, even if the all the this is somebody that did not want to be taught, that wanted to stay in a tactical, elevated
position, that knew where the parade route was going to be and had a position to pick off officers with these apparent high-powered rifles. so you can tell very early on that this was a bold, calculated and planned attack. >> do you still know people within the dallas police department? >> oh, i've got many friends. i served there for many years. i've got many friends that are still working the street and out there right now. >> what are they saying to you, john? >> what they're saying is that it was a very chaotic situation at first, that you had the protesters, you had citizens out there, you had officers, their comrades that were falling around them. they were trying to get them to cover, trying to get them to protect the public, that you're sworn to do. up see the officers taking cover but you see them moving citizens to safety also. and in the midst of chaos when you're being targeted, that's
what they do, they're moving citizens to safety. >> obviously people added to the population of downtown dallas tonight because of the protest. how large of an area is this and how many people might there be on a normal night, you know, without the extra hundred or a thousand -- hundreds or thousands of people who showed up for this protest? >> well, dallas has a fairly vibrant downtown district. they've got businesses, obviously restaurants, bars. >> as well as the protesters that were down there and people watching the protest. and you saw a large police presence that was downtown. dallas police is well prepared for protests and for these kind of events. >> okay. stand by, officer matthews. you've been giving us some
information. neil franklin, it just must hurt your heart to hear this when you hear fellow law enforcement tonight, ten officers shot, three officers dead. >> it does. it does, don, very much so. it just brings back memories of certain people that i've lost in the past, and one of them is ed totley. different scenario but still it's the loss of a comrade, someone who's very close. i know what some of those officers are currently feeling in dallas right now tonight. and this is a time right now -- first of all, it's what i feared when i started to hear about these two shootings over the past couple of days and then to hear people on radio shows that i've been on, people calling in,
talking about how they intend to push back and this is one of the things that i greatly feared. it's a time right now where we need leadership on all sides of this, from the law enforcement community all across this country, leadership from our protesting community, we need leadership from everyone who's involved to step forward and just say that we're not going to tolerate violence anymore on either side from either direction. i truly hope that that happens immediately, very, very quickly. >> tom, as we were listening to officer john matthews, a former dallas police officer, he said when you get word from, you know, the chief that it was an elevated position, high-powered rifles in an elevated position, snipers, this is a targeted attack, as a former detective?
>> yeah. and as we talked about before, we had instances like this, and two officers were assassinated in their cars. there are going to be people in our society that are not going to and officers need to be disciplined, fired or put in jail, they're going to take the law into their own hands and feel like they need to exact some sort of street justice. >> i hope that it is not. we don't know for sure if it is that. >> it sure seems that way. i'm hoping it wasn't. but this is my greatest fear, too, with the shootings. my condolences go out to the families who killed. it is horrible to have to die because of an interaction with police. cooler heads need prevail on all sides. >> the fact that it did happen at a protest lends one to believe, in the direction that you're seeing. we don't know that for sure.
who is saying yeah, john, or is that neal? >> no. but that is absolutely true. we don't have all of the facts yet. these two have not been apprehended and we hope that that occurs soon, but we don't know who they are. we don't know what the motives are. we don't know what their plan is. so we, unfortunately, we still have to wait and we have to wait and like i said before, people need to step up, step forward, so that we can get our arms around it. >> the governor of texas releasing a statement tonight, governor abbott, saying our thoughts and prayers are with the dallas law enforcement community and the dallas area, rapid transit officers killed and injured this evening. i have spoken to texas department of public safety director and have directed him to offer whatever assistance to the city of dallas that needs at this time. in times like this, we must
remember and empathize with the importance of uniting as americans. again, and that is coming from the governor of texas, john abbott there. so i want to bring in now, here is andre felix. he is heeding in the crown pinellas -- hiding in the crowne plaza in dallas texas, you're hiding in the hotel. what instructions have you been given? are you there? >> reporter: yeah, i'm there. basically what we've been told is that we can't, we can't leave, we can't go anywhere. they're on lockdown. we also have? folks that we don't even really know. they heard the shots, come running inside. they pushed everybody to the basement and so now we're just sitting in a room and as i mentioned earlier, we actually have a photo of what we believe is a potential suspect. the detectives are on their way up to talk to us.
we've been in the crowne plaza for the last two or three hours. we're actually in the lobby. it was my mom. me and my mom were in the lobby when the shots rang out. the security guard for the crowne plaza came running inside and ordered everybody to the basement and that is where we've been ever since. they just let us come up about an hour ago, back to our rooms and locked everything down. we just kind of have been sitting here, so stay away from the windows and everything. >> we're being told a number of guests from different hotels as well have been told the same thing. so you're in the basement of the hotel, correct? >> well, we were. now they let us come back up to our rooms but there is no movement and so now i'm just kind of waiting on the dallas, texas. [ inaudible ] because we spoke to them so they're on their way up because we have some pictures. what happened was we were at the protest and there was a guy in front of us wearing camouflage
and black shorts. they said on the news that they were looking for. the guy actually had some kind of ar 15 rifle hanging from him so we're all like, i wonder why he has that weapon or, and i actually thought it was fake, but now with everything going on and, you know, knowing who the police are looking for, we really believe that this is the guy, so they're coming up now to sfeek with us and everything. >> and you have pictures of that. a lot of people are talking to me. i called the governor john abbott. it is greg abbott. andre felix is in the crowne plaza hotel. they were being kept in the basement. now being allowed to go back up to the rooms. andre is telling us that he was in the crowd, saw someone with an ar 15 and law enforcement is coming up to talk to him now because they believe he may be somebody involved in the shooting. take us back to the time.
you were walking, you see this man and what happens, andre? >> well, we started walking, we see the guy, my mom actually took the picture of the guy, and then he basically walked off. we didn't see him no more in the crowd. we walked in the protest for about an hour or so and then after that, we come back to the room and we're going to get something to eat and go back out. well, as we were sitting in the lobby, one of the hotel workers, we just hear several shots rang out directly in front of the hotel and all of a sudden, we just seen the valet and security come running from inside and they say everybody lockdown. we ended up, like i said, going to the basement and we were down there, about 15 of us what did he look like? say that again, i'm sorry. >> what did he look like? >> he is a black guy. looked like he might be in his
mid to late 30s. he was definitely wearing camouflage. he had on, like, black pants, black shoes. and he had, like, a shoulder case for the gun that he was carrying and it was pretty big. >> but you're not sure. you don't know. he could have been law enforcement, no? >> i don't think he was law enforcement. he wasn't dressed in law enforcement attire. it was kind of like, a bystander in the crowd with his weapon. we're not from here. we're from illinois. we don't know the laws in texas. we thought that was normal so that is what we -- we didn't alert police or anything because we didn't know. >> okay. i need you to standby, andre, don't go anywhere. andre is hold up in a hotel and is talking to police about a suspicious person he saw in the crowd. the dallas police department is now tweeting out this is one of our suspects. if we go on the dallas police
department's feed, this is one of our suspects. please help us find him. it appears to be the man that andre felix is talking about. wearing camouflage and carrying what appears to be a high powered rifle or an assault rifle. again, we'll get those pictures up. as we do that, i have some sad news to report here. this is from the dallas police department. an 11th officer was shot during an exchange of gunfire with one of the suspects. the officer is being transported to the hospital. that is according to the city of dallas. so here we go. andre, you're still there? >> yes. >> okay. so here is the picture. this is from the dallas police department's twitter feed. they are, the dallas police department, we're putting this up because the dallas police department is asking for the public's help in identifying this man that you see on the screen there in camouflage with a weapon over his shoulder. you saw this man, andre. >> yeah, that is him. without a question.
100 %. we sent the back of the picture or the back of the guy's body to the police. they just somehow found the front of -- >> chief david holding a press conference. sorry i have to cut you off. >> bring us the information so we can bring these people to justice. we also believe that these suspects have threatened to plant a bomb in the downtown area. we have reached out to our federal law enforcement partners, both the fbi and the atf to help us search for both the suspects or maybe it is more and to do a very thorough search of this area where we believe there might be a bomb planted. again, i'll quickly take some questions, but i want to remind you, we have one of the suspects cornered and i need to get back and take care of the business of
protecting this city. >> let me finish and then we'll take the questions. okay? i ask everybody to focus on one thing right now and that is our dallas police officers, the families, those that are deceased. those in the hospital fighting for their lives. let's all come together and support our police officers. i've never been as proud. i believe we've got one of of the best forces in the nation, and we've done things with civil rights in the right way abdomnd we've done it for the safety of the citizens. so, please, let's come together right now as a city. let's take some questions. >> chief, talk about the pictures you guys want put out. who are the people you want in the pictures? you handed a bunch out. >> the we wanted to show a
person of interest who witnesses at the scene were involved in the shooting in some way. this is a person of interest, as you can see, they're in camouflage and they have a rifle strap slung with a rifle butt sticking up. rifles were used to injure and kill dallas officers. if anyone knows or recognizes this picture, please, immediately call 911. do not approach this suspect. we'll bring them to justice. >> chief, i'm sorry. to get the numbers straight. there are ten police officers shot that are shut. three deceased. does that include the ten? >> so, again, the initial release was we had ten officers shot. one of those officers is a dot officer and they're deceited. another dot officer was