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hem -- hello, and welcome to cnn, continuing coverage. nice, france, still reeling from thursday's deadly terror attack. >> and i'm becky anderson bringing you news and analysis on turkey's failed military coup. this is a special edition of "cnn newsroom." well, we are continuing to track developments in turkey after a
failed coup attempt level nearly 200 people dead. the turkish president erdogan is demanding that the u.s. arrest fethullah gulen. he denying any involvement. this, as turkey closed the airspace around the air base that launches anti-isis operations from that site. nearly 3,000 military personnel have been detained. for more on the situation in turkey, here's cnn's ian lee. [ shouting ] >> reporter: a bloody 24 hours of chaos and bloodshed in turkey. it started with elements of the military declared it had taken control of the country and imposed martial law. turkish president erdogan
appealed to supporters to take to the streets and fight for democracy. they heeded that call. soels media showed protesters squaring off against tanks and armored vehicles. turkish forces loyal to erdogan crushed the coup, but not before ice lated, heavy fighting. gun fire reported at this presidential complex in ankara, and helicopters opened fire at the national the intelligence headquarters. the coup's soldiers eventually abandoned their weapons and cause. >> translator: right now there is no place that is not under our control. at this point and at this time, there are no risk spots. there are no places that are not under our control. so yes, the coup is blocked. >> reporter: rhett bugs has beg begun. the prime minister vowing they will pay a heavy price.
now public enemy number one. this man. fethullah gum gulen. >> translator: i call on the united states and president obama. dear mr. president, i told you this before. either arrest fethullah gulen or return him to turkey. >> reporter: gulen denies responsibility, claiming anyone could have been behind it. and in a rare show of unity, in a country where politics can be divisive and deadly, turkey's various political parties united to denounce the coup. that unity not likely to last. opposition figuring worry the coup gave erdogan a gift, an excuse to consolidate power while galvanizing supporters and cracking down on dissents. >> ian lee joining us now from
istanbul where it is just after 11:00 in the morning. erdogan not mincing his words. arrest gulen or send him back. is that likely to happen? what's the sense in turkey? >> reporter: i'm having some difficult hearing you. but i think you were asking about the situation as well as the crackdown that people have been talking about. and that really they're worried about this escalating. a purge, if you will, of people who have disseptembnted with er. in the past he's targeted journalists, professors and politicians. and they're afraid that people who aren't associated with this coup. people in the civil society could be arrested and brought in in the aftermath of this. erdogan himself, when he arrived
at the airport here in erdogan said that it was a gift from god, making a reference with how the people were able to go out into the streets and work with the police to stop this coup. and now he does seem to be more emboldened in the aftermath. and that does have a lot of people worried. when it comes to fethullah gulen, he is pushing for an extradition or arrest of him, but the united states has said multiple times that they want to see the evidence, that they're not just going to hand him over. that there's a process, and they want this process to go forward. if turkey wants. but it's not going to be so quickly as the turks would hope. >> thank you, ian. well, things have calmed down in turkey for the time being. but even the failed coup could have major implications for the country's political future and key allies, not least the u.s.
we're joined from france. and washington had one solidly democratically elected ally in the middle east, like him or not, it was erdogan. where does this whole episode, do you think, leave the country and its president? >> undeniably, it leaves turkey a weaker country. it's got a weaker military. we saw the coup d'etat. and we know there's going to be a witch hunt. there are going to be purges, but the military is central to what turkey does. the fight against the kurdish guerrilla, so a weaker military, but paradoxically, potentially a stronger president. he has been trying to increase his powers, turn turkey into a presidential system to suit his agenda for years now.
and this actually may increase his power base as people now perceive him to be a stalwart against military japan encroa encroachment on political life in turkey. >> we've been a fly on the wall in washington, what could we consider being debated? >> washington has a catalyst. they need turkey as a strong ally against the islamic state group, and in the context of this syrian civil war. so logistically they need turkey. you mentioned the air base where they have war planies stationed and refueling. that's about a third of the refueling cape. >> and right now they're twroupded. >> this is a situation made more difficulty that the u.s. has
been relying on iraqi kurds in the fight in iraq and syria, which has angered the turkish president. he has quite a lot of leverage at the moment, it has to be said. >> president erdogan has leverage, and he's never been afraid to use it. you've mentioned the complicated, interconnected situation in iraq. the kurds themselves not a homogeneous block. and erdogan knows how to use that and pull those leavevers. it's not the only lever he has. turkey is a conduit for the u.s. to wage its war against iraq and syria, especially the air operations. and president erdogan is going to make full use of that leverage that he has. >> nice to have you on. do stay with us. another hour or so to go. for the time being, from here on
out in turkey, that's it. let's get you to max where he has the latest in the aftermath of thursday's terrible terror attack. max? >> yeah, thank you. just learned that there have been two more arrests in nice connected with thursday's terror attack. a man and a woman detained on sunday morning. that brings the total number of people arrested to seven. that includes the suspect's ex-wife as well, also getting more information about the man who killed 84 people, zigzagging a truck through the crowd. the 31-year-old tunisian suspect became radicalized very quickly, and a source tells cnn that they are looking at a connection between the suspect and a recruiter. the site of the terror attack also reopening. so the promenade is reopening once again. will ripley is with me. you've been on the promenade.
>> five men in custody, two women. one of them is the attacker's estranged wife. they questioned the wife or partner immediately, because that's the person closest to the individual. the four men were arrested overnight into saturday. we don't know if they're friends, associates, what their connection might be. and weigh also don't have much information aside from the gender of the man and woman arrested this morning. but when you look at the number of people they're now taking in. and in france, being brought in for questioning doesn't necessarily mean there will be charges. that's important to point out doesn't mean that they will be indicted. but they're brought in and held for a period of time as investigators try to determine what connection if any, they had. and they're looking at phone records, maybe a potential conversation or some sort of communication with a known terror suspect recruiting jihadists here in nice and has now gone to syria, and many
followed this individual to syria. but, again, you look at the profile of the attacker. he didn't have a beard. he ate pork. he went to the gym, not the mosque. he was violent against his wife and mother-in-law. he was jailed for a period of time. but this record of petty crime, not anything that would have set off warning alarms to anti-terror investigators who are monitoring hundreds of people. >> politicians are jumping on it. isis is claiming it's an isis attack, but it's not that clear, is it? >> it's no question that isis benefits from people who claim they are responsible for the attack. they are losing ground, perhaps losing strategic value in iraq and syria, but their propaganda with this wide reach, if they can inspire lone wolves, they've been saying for six years, use a
knife, use a gun, build a bomb, blow yourself up. that is resonating more frequently with people who might already have violent criminal tendencies. they're looking for an outlet. and we've seen on the surface, this was not somebody who was a devout jie jihadist. >> one thing, one response we have had here against isis is this sense of defiance, that life is going to carry on here. and i know you were on the promenade as they reopened it. >> they reopened it yesterday. and from friday night into saturday, they were able to power wash off the pavement, but you can still see the places where there were people who had died. and people were bringing flowers to those spots last night, but we were there all night last night before we left. there was a woman who broke down in tears and asked us not to walk in a specific spot, and she
laid down flowers. she put some candles and flowers, the whole time tears going down her face. these are survivors that lived through something, that most of us, even though we've seen videos and heard accounts, you can't comprehend the horror, the horror of watching somebody who you love, mowed down by a truck. and to see other people die, and parents looking for their children. so people in their swimsuits, returning to the beach, trying to get back to a normal life. it doesn't feel normal there. and for those who lived through it, i can't imagine that it ever will. >> thank you for your reporting there. you're watching a special edition of "cnn newsroom." we're following what's going on in turkey, and a french member
of parliament here on thursday, when the truck driver began mowing people down. we'll speak with him about how he made it out alive. >> thank you, max, and we've already seen eight turks flee to greece and ask for asylum in the wake of this failed coup. i'm going to talk were the instability in neighboring turkey. that is just ahead. . be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has
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i'm becky anderson in paris. max is with us in nice. stay with us through the coming hours as we bring you continuing coverage of two major events? turkey and in france. government supporters marched through ankara. more than 2800 military personnel have been detained in the crackdown, and nearly 3,000 judges have been suspended. travelers stuck at istanbul's ataturk airport have now able to move on. the airport has resumed normal operations. the u.s. and the uk want their
citizens to take precautions while traveling in turkey. while the instability in turkey spills over its borders, and will it impact neighboring countries. the greek labor minister joins us live via skype from athens. explore that question, and the impact, sir, almost immediately in greece, with the emergency landing late yesterday in a helicopter of eight turkish soldiers who are accused by the turkish president of involvement in this attempted coup. now there are reports claiming that they are claiming asylum. can you confirm that? and their appearance in court today, and whether their appeal will be granted? >> well, we must wait and see. you know asylum was provided to those fleeing from dictatorships, not to wanna-be dictator
dictators. in this case, as in a lot of cases in a democracy, there are legal procedures that are going to be followed, and we are going to see. >> president erdogan is accusing these eight soldiers of being involved in this attempted overthrow, have they conceded to that? do they say that they were involved? have they admitted that? >> no, no. they are denying any kind of involvement. they say that they were just trying to obey orders, without knowing that there was a coup. and that they are afraid for their lives. so you understand these are matters that must be examined by the administrative authorities. >> i know you have a legal background, for our viewers' sakes, explain what it is that
the courts will now need to consider. because there will now be international law that will come into play here. >> exactly. first of all, you must have in mind that we do not have a bilateral agreement with turkey on extra diggs. anybody that is fleeing, because of fear of persecution, because of racial, political reasons has a right to asylum, but, of course, this does not concern people that have involved in a coup against an elected government. so basically, the court and the administrative authorities will examine the active involvement in the coup. >> very briefly, sir, just how big an impact do you think this activity in turkey could have on
a country like your own and others. i mean, given the migration issue that europe has been dealing with for example. instability in that country, potentially, could spill over into others' borders, couldn't it? >> first of all, it's a good thing that we have avoied a dictatorship, because as you know, dictatorships tend to export their problems to neighbors. remember the falkland islands. on the other hand we need a stable, you can have stability in two ways, either through democracy or through oppression. i hope they will follow the first way. although we have some --
>> with that we're going to leave it there. we appreciate you coming on this morning and giving us some analysis, which is important at this point as we consider the f fallout from the failed military coup. and we go back to max in nice with the latest from the deadly terror attacks. >> we're hearing the french prosecutor's office saying they've arrested two more people connected to thursday's terror attack in nice, that brings the total of people detained to seven, two women, five men. and that includes the suspect's ex-wife. the french interior minister says the man behind that attack became radicalized very quickly as well. we're joined by an international editor for france 24, joins us via skype. it does seem as though this momentum is building towards some sort of radicalization, but can we assume there's a threat
work if these arrests are taking place? >> that will be a good question about these latest two arrests. the five you mention ted were already in police custody, one, his wife from he had separated. there's been an extension in the detention, because they're providing crucial clues. you mentioned that question of when and the extent of which mohammad bouhlel was radicalized. there were five arrests over the weekend of men and two women. he became radicalized in a very short time. the other two, we know very little about.
we know it's man and woman. and the question will be whether they are simply people close to mohammad bouhlel or people who have been found as a result of searches through his phone and computer and whether they could constitute or be part of some wider network with closer ties to the islamic state organization. for now, sources close to the investigation are allowing very small details to emerge. among them, the radicalization of mohamed bouhlel. he had emptied his bank account, sold his car and had gone a number of times to the promenade to stake out the site of the attack. >> on the one hand, there's this
unstable character we're hearing about from french sources and isis describing home im as a soldier. they don't come together. so why is isis claiming this when it could potentially look weak? >> and isis, very well as it's done in the past with someone that's carried out an atrocity that is in line with isis calling for but not directly coordinated with it or through it, it could have simply chosen its communique of saturday to salute what mohammad bouhlel had done. and those who know a little about isis communication that would suggest there was some sort of active link between him and the group. but that is what the investigators will be wanting to look into. equally, we are talking about a man, yes, who was unstable during ramadan. this picture of a man not
particularly religious, to those around him and the vicinity of his flat, but what he did is precisely in line with what isis has been calling for. there has been this poll by al adna adn adnani, calling on people to take on any weapon they had, including vehicles. and this new call telling would-be jihadists not to bother to come to iraq or syria but to take on the enemy in their own country. and what he did was exactly that. he used a vehicle to cause maximum carnage on a national holiday. so an unstable man who doesn't particularly fit the image, but a disenfranchised young man who
carried out an attack exactly in line with what the group had been calling for. >> melissa, thank you very much inti indeed. we're gradually of painting a picture of what happened. i'm max foster in nice. >> i'm becky anterson. and we've already seen eight turks flee to greece and ask for asylum in the wake of the failed coup. up next, i'll talk with an official about the instability in turkey.
my colleague, max, is in nice. stay with us throughout the hour as we bring you continuing coverage of two major news events in turkey and right here in france. chaos gave way to celebrations after the failed coup in turkey. government supporters marched through ankara. more than 2800 military personnel have been imprisoned. the passengers at ataturk airport have now been able to move on. the u.s. and uk are warning travelers to take precautions when traveling in turkey. let me bring in my next guest, the chairman of contemporary middle east studies at the london school of economics. this country is no stranger to military overthrows. in the past, though, they were
successful, this one, it seems an abject failure. where does this whole episode leave the country turkey, and those building policy with turkey in capitals around the world? >> well, i mean, turkey is in turmoil. political turmoil. it's the big divider. even though the military coup, as you suggest, becky, has failed dismally. the lack of planning, leaderless coup, no strategic i mean, vision. it was really failure on many counts. but the reality is, there's a great deal of dissent inside turkey. i mean, think of what president erdogan has done in the last 48 hours. he has dismissed almost 3,000 justice and prosecutors. he's using the coup itself in order to purge disdepths from the military and crackdown against the judiciary.
there's a great deal of anxiety, in london, in paris, in washington. american/turkish relations are extremely strained. the turks, i mean, some leaders within the turkish leadership have suggested that the americans had a hand in the coup plot, and of course, the state department has responded very angrily, and you have big stakes involved. turkey is a pivotal player in the u.s.-led coalition against isis in syria and iraq. it's a fundamental player in nato, the second largest army after the united states, so the stakes are very high, and obviously, tensions are rising up between turkey and the united states in particular, because turkey would like the american/turkish the the the e american/turkish cleric, gulen to be brought back to turkey, and the americans say give us
evidence before we do that. >> they were not mincing words. arrest him or extradite him. fwulen himself denies any involvement in the plot to overthrow the government and the president in turkey. he also suggests that president erdogan himself may have orchestrated the whole affair. is there any evidence to back that up? >> no, becky, i don't think so. you know conspiracies abound in turkey. i mean you have some elements within the turkish government that believe that the americans had a hand in the coup. and gulen himself said he would not be surprised if president erdogan had not staged the coup. i don't think either claim is correct. what you have is that a small faction with the military tried to topple the government. it failed dismally, because of the lack of planning and strategic vision and there are
no leaders within the military, and also i think president erdogan has turned this cleric, gulen, who lives in the united states, into a straw man. they were best allies, now they are bitter enemies. the reality is, turkey, becky, is deeply divided, along ideological, social and ethnic lines, and the reality is that president erdogan has said that the coup itself is a god send opportunity to purge the military dissidents and overhaul the situation to make sure there are no rivals for his leadership in turkey. >> we will continue to bring you expert analysis and the latest on the situation in turkey. let's return to max foster who has new details on the latest terror attack to shock france.
>> yeah, we're learning more about the man behind that terror attack, killing 84 people in nice. a phone number belonging to the attacker came up in a separate investigation in the associate of a jihadist recruiter. investigators are now trying to determine what the connection between the two men was. >> reporter: this is the face of the man who brought terror to the streets of nice, mohamed bouhlel, who french authorities say was not known to have any links to terrorism. trps >> translator: it seems that he became radicalized very quickly. >> reporter: questions still remain as to whether he received a direct order by the terror group or was simply inspired by their ideology. investigators are looking to answer that. they're digging deep into his life. some neighbors in his apartment building describe him as a bit of a loner, quiet and even odd.
>> translator: he never spoke. he didn't speak to anyone. he was always alone with his bike, and he drank alcohol during rahm taun. i lived under a murderer. >> reporter: this is his apartment. as you can see, the door has been completely blown out if you look through the keyhole, the place has been thoroughly searched. from the outside, his life looked almost ordinary, a delivery driver with three children, who according to one neighbor was never mean. french media describe him as a man who loved bodybuilding and salsa dancing, but those closest to him paint a picture of a disturbed individual. >> translator: he was of a nervous disposition. he with become angry, shout and break everything in front of him. >> reporter: his unstable character didn't go unnoticed or unpunish unpunished. with authorities coming face-to-face with him only two weeks ago. >> translator: he was charmed
wi -- charged with armed assault. there was an altercation in a public road which involved a wooden pallet that was thrown by him. >> reporter: slowly a picture is emerging, it's up to authorities to determine whether his actions were driven by rage or radicalization. isa soares, nice. >> the local associates have told authorities that he started speaking of isis days before the attack. so we'll bring you more tdetail on the investigation as they come available. first, we go to george in cnn headquarters in atlanta for the headlines, including all you need to know about donald trump's running mate as well.
welcome back to "cnn newsroom." i'm george howell. we will have more on the developing stories in turkey and france in a moment, but this news just in to cnn. two people are dead after a shooting at a hospital. this happened in titusville, florida on the state's east coast near cape canaveral. police have a suspect in custody now, and the scene is secure. authorities are expected to hold a news conference in the coming hours, and we will of course bring you the very latest as we get that news here on cnn. america's choice, 2016. and the presumptive republican nominee for president, donald trump, has made his pick. it's indiana governor mike pence. the two hell their first rally, pushing back on rumors that trump was second guessing his
choice. our jim acosta reports. >> governor pence, how are you feeling right now? >> reporter: mike pence was plunged into the election at a turbulent time. pence projected calm. >> we love indiana. we love our country, and my family and i couldn't be more honored. to have the opportunity to run with and serve with the next president of the united states. >> reporter: as trump appeared to be ginning up drama sur ourpding his selection. >> i haven't made my final, final decision. >> reporter: sources say he was laboring over whether he could fall back on the pence pick. advisers told him no. but a top trump adviser told cnn that was just a rumor, and a campaign spokesman tweeted this is absolutely false, zero truth.
trump tweeted his announcement. pence tweeted back he was honored to join the ticket. aides pulled him out of the indiana election. they do have their differences. pence supported the iraq war. trump became a critic. as governor, pence expanded health care coverage under obamacare, a program trump has savaged. >> governor, can we have a word? >> reporter: in picking pence, trump looked past new jersey governor chris christie. sources tell cnn, christie made a last ditch attempt to change trump's mind. >> governor, do you have electricity? >> reporter: but trump was not only dealing with his vice presidential pick but responding to the attack in nice, calling on the u.s. to declare war on isis. >> i would, i would. this is war. if you look at it, this is war.
coming from all different parts. and frankly, it's war, and we're dealing with people without uniforms. >> reporter: hillary clinton told cnn the u.s. should be more caution. >> while i think it's clear we are at war with these terrorist groups and what they represent, it's a different kind of war. and we need to be smart about how we wage it and win it. >> reporter: clinton is also considering her upcoming vice presidential pick. while rolling out a web video slamming pence. next up for trump and pence is when they fly off to cleveland for the of convention. trump at this event here in new york tried to push back on any notion there will be a floor flight in cleveland saying the never trump movement has been crushed. jim acosta, cnn, new york.
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. welcome back to cnn's continuing coverage from of the terror attack in nice, france and the failed military coup in turkey. i'm max foster. >> i'm becky anderson in paris. do stay with us as we bring you the latest developments from these two major stories. >> we're just learning a little bit more about the man behind thursday's terror attack here in nice. t detained associates say he start the speaking reportedly of isis just days before the attack.
that's from a source close to the investigation. the interior minister said earlier that the 31-year-old tunisian suspect became radicalized very quickly. we'll bring you the latest as soon as we get it here on cnn. but the french mp was among those celebrating on thursday when gun fire rang out and joins us now. thank you so much for joining us. describe the moment you first became aware that something unusual was happening. >> when i saw the crowds moving in different directions, and when i just saw the expression on the faces of people, just trying to escape, i realized there was something wrong. not only the gun shots that you could hear, it was something more important. and we had to move quickly. it was a traumatic experience, i must say. >> what did you see? did you see the vehicle or just
the crowds? >> i see the crowds. they were panic-stricken. they were just trying to runaway, around the tables of the restaurants, and you have a lot of guests on the floor. it was a nightmare picture, actually, when you think about that. that we had to hide inside a building with different people around. it was a very strange feeling when you think about the national day and the celebration of the 14 of july in france. so it was supposed to be a day of jolly, and it was a nightmare evening. and i think about that mother trying to seek her children. she was frightened. i remember teenagers who wonder what happened and so on. it was terrific.
>> there's some criticism bubbling up that there should have been more security, that this could have been prevented somehow. we're learning that he seems to have been radicalized very quickly indeed. do you think as someone involved in it that something could have been done about this? >> i can react as a father but as a law maker as well. and i think we have the anti-terrorist station, so yes, you could have prevented this, but why or how? the prime minister has been repeating that we cannot have zero risk. and we have to tell the truth to the population. and, as you say, the, this person, the killer was not known from the anti-terror cells inside the security forces. so to get radicalized very quickly, you cannot just have a policeman for each citizen. otherwise we'll be jumping into
an a different society, and that's what the terrorists want us to do, to have morphinmore, e up our freedom. it's a way we can balance both security and freedom in our country, and yes, maybe if there is something that can be learned from nice, it's how we can share more and more information in terms of intelligence services. but all the while, it's very hard to just to predict this type of behavior that gets very quickly radicalized. because we didn't have any clues before what happened. >> okay. well, thank you very much indied for joining us, sharing your experience, sharing your thoughts. it's going to be very hard for individuals and the country, of course, to come to terms with.
but this new idea of a major threat, someone that can be radicalized quickly is now something that becky, i think, you know, the world has got to now look at as though we have the lone wolf, we have the coordinated attack. now we have the quickly-radicalized individual. it's so hard. >> really hard. all right. the coup attempt in turkey is over, but we have yet to really see how it will all play out. president erdogan's administration has never faced such an event. erdogan's turning his attention to au.s. cleric living in the u.s. state of pennsylvania. he says it was fethullah gulen who spearheaded the coup. but gulen said he didn't have a thing to do with it. thanks for watching. i'm becky april dersnderson in
welcome to our viewers in the united states and around the world. i'm max foster in nice. >> and i'm becky anderson in paris. and this is "cnn newsroom." we are continuing to track developments in turkey after the failed coup attempt that left nearly 200 people dead. president erdogan is demanding the u.s. arrest or extradite the cleric fethullah gulen. mr. erdogan blames gulen for the
coup. gulen lives in the u.s. state of pennsylvania and denies his involvement. meanwhile, the president has urged pro-government protesters to continue rallying. this was the scene from ankara on saturday. fallout from the failed coup hitting turkey's military hard. nearly 3,000 personnel have been detained. ian lee joins us now from istanbul with the very latest, ian? >> reporter: well, becky, the situation right now in istanbul and across turkey is calm, but that's a far cry from what it was like just 36 hours ago. [ shouting ] >> reporter: a bloody 24 hours of chaos and bloodshed in turkey. it started when elements of the military declared it had taken control of the country and imposed martial law. turkish president erdogan appealed to his supporters on
face time to take to the streets and fight for democracy. they heeded that call. social media showed proelters squaring off against dratanks a rar mo armored vehicles. there was isolated heavy fighting. gun shots reported at the presidential complex in ankara. and helicopters reportedly opened fire at this national intelligence headquarters. the coup's soldiers eventually abandoned their weapons and paused. >> translator: right now, there's no place that is not under our control. at this point and at this time there are no risk spots. there are no places that are not under our control. so yes, the coup is blocked. >> reporter: retribution has begun. at least 2800 soldiers of var isranks have been arrested and 3,000 members of the judiciary
removed. the prime minister vowing they will pay a heavy price. now public enemy number one? this man. fethullah gulen. an influential cleric in exile in the united states. erdogan accuses him of being the puppet master of the overthrow. >> translator: i call on the united states and president obama. dear mr. president, i told you this before, either arrest fethullah gulen or return him to turkey. >> reporter: gulen denies responsibility, claiming any win could have been behind it, and in a rare show of unity, in a country where politics can be divisive and deadly, parties united to denounce the coup. that unity not likely to last. some think it gave him a gift, a chance to crackdown on dissent.
and gulen says that he has never supported coups in the past and is not about to start now. take a listen. >> 20 years ago, i clearly stated my support for democracy. and i said that there's no return from democracy in turkey. my position is that democracy is very clear. any attempts to the contrary is a betrayal of our unity and it's treason. >> reporter: and becky, really, when it comes down to it, no one knows for sure who is behind this coup. yes, it was factions within the military, but was there a bigger political powers at play here. frankly, at this hour, we just don't know. >> ian lee is in istanbul, just after midday there.
t gulen denying any involvement in this, meanwhile, turkey's president looking to consolidate his hold. turkish writer joins us on the line from istanbul, a columnist from "al monitor." like him or not, it was, mr. erdogan, where does this whole episode leave turkey and its president and what of its relations with its western allies, not least, that of the u.s.? >> well, first of all, i should say that i'm very happy that turkey averted this bloody, brutal coup attempt. turkish democracy has been saved. our democracy is pretty flawed. we have big issues, and there are solid criticisms against
erdogan. but he's the elected leader, and any attempt to take him down or bomb him as we saw in the coup attempt, would be a major crime. it would put turkey totally into chaos. so i'm glad it's averted. where will this take turkey? well, this does empower erdogan. this will empower him. the question is, how will he use this power? president erdogan has seen on the coup night that some of the circles that he -- involved in conspiracies against him, like the secular media, they actually sided with him when it comes to the defense of democracy. that can be the basis of a national reconciliation. there are coup makers. we are all against them. we all hate them, and they should be punished, you know, with due legal process. besides that, turkish society, by and large, stood on the side of democracy, and that is
something that president erdogan sees and appreciates that and tries to bring national reconciliation after this, that would be good. but if he moves on to keep the divisive politics of the last three year, basically demonizing anybody who criticizes him as somehow involved in a conspiracy, that would be, of course, bad. but we saw that that propaganda is wrong, on the very night of the coup attempt. >> right. what is his calculus then, when it comes to relations with washington at this point? he has been very clear about fethullah gulen. he says to washington, arrest him or extradite him. he is a terrorist. he is not on a terror watch list in the u.s., and this could really strain relations with washington. so is there a sense of how erdogan wants to play this one at this point? >> i mean, that's of course now a major issue between erdogan and turkey, and i should say it
is not just erdogan, but also even many secular critics of erd way juan who think that the force behind this coup is gulen. and he speaks of democracy when he speaks, that's fine. but there's also a lot of people who think there's secrecy going on, double-talk, and because the government has a presence in the judiciary and the military. so what turkey has to do is have a legal process to interrogate the coup makers and the attempters and everybody, to put the links, if there are links, with gulen. and the u.s. should take that into account. and i think that's an issue that should be solved in the capital of washington and in ankara. >> thank you. it's still a fluid story. max, back to you for the time
being in nice. >> thank you, becky. learning more about the man behind thursday's terror attack, killing 84 people here in nice. a source close to the investigation tells cnn the attacker spoke supportively of isis just days before the attack. for the latest, i'm joined by analyst paul kruk shank. >> caller: he started speaking supportively of isis just days before the attack. now this is according to what those people associates of his that were taken into custody in nice after the attack are telling police. there were four men taken into custody late friday and early saturday. and the interior minister of france has of course also spoken of a very quick radicalization
process. that appears to be based off this information from the interrogation. and this is in line with the ideology that calls for attacks, inspired this attacker to proceed with what he did. but what we're seeing from investigators, the police, is that there were a blend of factors when it came to the motivation of this attacker. he had, on the one hand very recently become they believe radicalized. but also that he suffered from some severe mental health challenges. even his own family has spoken about those. that he had nervous break downs, volatile, often i have avery an we've seen a whole string of attacks around the world where we've seen the mental health aspect and radicalization. and sometimes that can mean it can be an easier jump from
radical thought and action. that there are fewer inhibitions when it comes to launching attacks. so this all very much confounding authorities, especially if it's confirmed that the radicalization was very, very quick. how on earth are you going to stop these kinds of attacks in the future if peoploe only a fe days before the attack are radicalized. >> joining me is an international affairs editor joining us via skype from france. the threat, the fact that you could be radicalized in a number of days. how on earth are the authorities going to be able to sort of predict that sort of thing happening? >> it is this new profile of this particular attacker, mohamed bouhlel, the new means by which he carried out this
attack that have left this great feeling of insecurity in france, even in the middle of these three days of national mourning, even as the country begins to come to terms with its grief. this sense of insecurity that you can almost feel politically as well. if you think back to the "charlie hebdo" massacres, if you think back to november 13, there had been this show of national unity. the political parties had come together, barring a few exceptions and misplaced words. and this time, it's been entirely difference, max, there's this row between the right and the left, right wing politicians, republican and politician here on the right, french politics, and then laying in to the government and what it reckons is its inadequate response to the terrorist threat, and this the rather worrying display of national disunity, even while the
national mourning is going on, i think is a measure of the desperation or the panic, of the great concern of everyone here in france, that the idea of this threat is going to be much more difficult to deal with in the future than what we've seen so far. security failings can be dealt with. how do you prevent an unstable man from turning to a radical form of islam that encourages him to rent a truck and plow it into people? no one has the answer to that, max. >> it's going to play, isn't it, into this election coming up now, because there's this concern about immigration. he was an immigrant. you couldn't have done anything to sort of -- there was no intelligence you could have picked up on him in the month before, even, so the answer here is to sort of clamp down on people that seem like some sort of threat. this plays into this narrative, whether or not it's based on fact. >> absolutely. and the profiles of the men
involved in the november 13th attacks or the "charlie hebdo" attacks, they were mostly french citizens. so in an acce sense, that quests not as keenly fit or expressed this time. this was a tunisian national. and that photograph is his, the piece of the document that gives him the right to live in france. weig he was not a french citizen. so what the far right have pounced on, is why is a man who already has a conviction allowed to stay on french territory. the particular nationality and residency of this attacker gives people on the far right the opportunity to way lay the government on that question, who's allowed into france and who's not. and i'd like to bring up one thing that's been raised. just a few days before the attack, the minutes of an
appearance by the hid of france's internal security were published, quite by chance, he had been warning, not only that they were expecting a change in the tactics of the terrorists with these kinds of vehicles used as weapons but that his real worry was attacks from the far right they were beginning to feel, and he did use the word, the expression civil war as he expressed himself in that parliamentary committee as head of french internal intelligence. >> okay, melissa. so much to didigest. we'll be doing so in the weeks and months ahead. becky. >> max, turkey's president says he knows exactly who brought about the coup. we're going to examine how a cleric living in pennsylvania finds himself accused of treason.
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pennsylvania. people protest the outside twulen's home but he says he had nothing to do with the uprising. turkey arose victorious from the coup. and we're joined by an international the correspondent for france 24. 36 hours after the event, life looks as if it's returned to normal, relatively speaking, but the political plates in turkey have shifted, haven't they? >> of course. deep changes happening below the surface. first it of aof all, you have t at the military angle, he's got to get rid of his enemies. he now knows he has enemies within the ranks of the military, so a purge has begun. that takes place after any coup d'etat. the winning side the engages in a witch hunt that can degenerate quickly. 3,000 soldiers have been rounded
up, 3,000 judgments have been rounded up. i don't care how big your judiciary is, that is huge. what about the plit cam angle? erdogan thinking how can i use this to my advantage. he has said this is an opportunity from god, i am going to use it. what does that mean? he knows he can extend his base of support beyond just the religious conservatism, the low-income families to include people who do not like his politics but do not want the army to running things. >> and they will be wondering what happens next. president erdogan has been very explicit about the man he believes is behind this who lives in the u.s. state of pennsylvania. he has said to washington, arrest him or send him back. what happens next? >> washington will have to wonder how far erdogan wants to push this gulen angle. he is blaming everything on this
islamic cleric based in the mountains of pennsylvania. >> and has been since 1999. >> absolutely. he's been in exile for over 15 years. and erdogan says he's the one trying to overthrow his regime and government. and the u.s. says we will cooperate but do provide some proof. we will respect the rule of law. if erdogan wants to use his leverage, the access he twraptss to some military facilities. then washington will be in a difficult place. >> how dangerous is erdogan when he's angry. >> when he's angry, he's angry, and he has that lifrnl. he's a necessary ally but also a fickle one. he's been unreliable in the past. the u.s. has express the frustration as to erdogan's ambiguity to the islamic state.
and only recently did he fully engage in the war against the jihadists. so washington must be sorry to see him play both sides of the coin. >> and we have an expert working on behalf of the government against gulen. so we'll perhaps get some idea whether there's any evidence against him. max is in nice. >> becky, french prosecutors saying authorities have arrested two more people in connection with the deadly terror attack here in nice. we're also learning from a source close to the investigation that the man who killed 84 people spoke supportively of isis in the days before the attack. all of this as the promenade where the massacre happened has now reopened. cnn's will ripley is here with me, and there's this huge effort, isn't there, here, to get back to normal? but it just, you know, it doesn't feel anything like that. >> it doesn't. if you take a picture, there's still the same beautiful stretch of the french riviera, it's
still the same iconic promenade, and yet, if you look down, you see marks on the pavement where people died. they haven't been able, as much power washing as they've done, they haven't been able to get rid of that, and you see the memorial, the spontaneous memorials that pop up. so you are in this beautiful place and you are constantly reamed of the carnage. >> reporter: the french riviera, a place of undeniable beauty and now of unthinkable tragedy. for the first time since the attack in nice, the beach is back onlpen. so is the iconic promenade des anglais, and the flowers where so many people died. family are down here, saw their children being killed, their family being killed. >> reporter: jeff donovan watched from his fifth floor
balcony. a young boy died in the lobby of his hotel. >> translator: that one was shouting. that one was crying, it was a catastrophe to see death in front of you. really, really hard. >> reporter: here, heartbreaking reminders of young lives lost. one note reads 20 hit here, our thoughts are with you, little prince princess. of the 84 killed, more than a dozen remain unidentified. t alexander is helping search for those missing. he's haunted by the children he saw, running, crying, calling for parents who didn't make it. >> it's quite difficult for me to sleep. because i'm hearing the voices and seeing the faces and remembering the face of this child. >> reporter: his sister in paris called to check on him after the
attack. last november 13th, he called to check on her. terrorists stormed the restaurant, shooting her twice. his sister survived. three of her friends died. >> i think nobody can feel safe, you know. we are experienced. we are changing our mind. we are changing our way to live. >> reporter: things appear back to normal here, but life will never be the same. there may be some who think the promenade des anglais reopened too soon, but this says it all, and france has endurd three major attacks in the last 19 months. people want to move forward. they're afraid of public gatherings. during the euro 2016 games,
during festivals, people are fearful. and when nothing happened, people on bastille day were finally starting to relax a bill. a people don't want to give up the values and quality of life that makes france such an attractive place for so many people but a target for jihadists. >> will, thank you very much indeed. you've seen it before where we have these incidents, and people go out to the bistros, and it just doesn't feel normal. this is sort of a new reality now. a default position that happens after an attack in france. >> terrible, isn't it. all right, max, thank you for the time being. coming up here on cnn, president erdogan has directly accused a u.s.-based cleric of being behind the attempted coup in
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airport are now able to move on. the airport has resumed normal operations. president erdogan blames a self-exiled cleric in the united states for the coup.gulen has d involvement. joining me from washington, sir, thank you for be being with us this morning. i now you have been in constant communication with the president's aides during and after this attempted coup. what is the feeling at the presidential palace at this point? >> look, they're the secure that they've retained control. they're frustrated, as you know, by america's lack of movement in respect to gulen. and i want to make something clear. we tasked by the turkish government almost a year ago to
investigate gulen. we have outlined in papers that are available on the web, gulen investigations.com, we've outlined in meticulous detail, criminal activity being conducted in the united states. mr. gulen takes half a billion dollars out of the u.s. economy through charter schools. he's one of the largest charter school operators in the united states. i moves that money around to those connected to his organization, and a lot of that money very well ends up in turkey. he is reputed to be worth somewhere between $25 billion, perhaps $50 billion. massive amounts of money. he has penetrated the state of turkey. he's also penetrated american politics, giving massive donations to political figures in the united states. >> i'm going to stop you there. for one second. because we are talking
specifically about allegationna he was behind, he was the mastermind of this attempted coup. you have been quoted in media as saying there have been indications of direct involvement. what evidence do you have, sir? >> well, again, if you read the quote carefully it says sources within the turkish government has advised, we are within 24 hours, 36 hours of this event occurring. they have specific information, they have communications. they have the personnel that were involved under interrogation. and that information is being assembled and put together and provided to the united states. >> you've also been quoted as saying, you and your firm have attempted repeatedly to warn the u.s. government of the threat posed by gulen and his followers. what exactly is that threat?
>> as i've outlined in california and texas. mr. gulen's organization is educating 60,000 american students. gulen himself is not what he appears. he is not some reclusive imam. he is operating a massive business, massive the h 1b visa the fraud, bringing followers here under false pretenses. it's a fairly massive conspiracy. frankly, ms. anderson. if people read the hundreds of pages of documenting we've submitted, you'll see meticulous detail that we've laid out, and by the way, great american reporters, mickleopolis in the chicago and others have laid it out, at state, federal and local level. gulen's organization is under investigation by congress, for
200 congressional delegations that he has sponsored to turkey. gulen has hired some of the biggest pr organizations and law firms in the world. he spends millions of dollars as a political operator, not only in the united states but in africa. and he is a massive -- >> okay, and with respect -- >> business entrepreneur and money launderer, and all of that evidence is out there. all of that evidence is public, and while the fbi is investigating, homeland security and others are investigating, to date, nothing, there's been no activity, no prosecutions as yet in the united states. >> right, and that is important. and that is clearly important with respect, sir, we also have done our own research as well. so let's bring this back to the attempted military coup that happened some 36 hours ago in turkey. you are retained by the turkish president's group, as it were. this is a man that erdogan was friends with, back in 2003.
they have fallen out. clearly there are issues, so far as erdogan is concerned. now you've laid out the fact that they, the authorities in the u.s. have investigated. they have found nothing to date. i want to put this to to you again. why is it that president erdogan says he is sure he has evidence that gulen was behind this specific attempted coup. is there any evidence to support that? sounds to me as if we may have lost our fwguest, which is disappointing. because we getting somewhere on that. apologies for that. you got the drift of where we were going. george is with us today. he's got more of the other news that's making headlines today. george? >> becky, thank you. the race for the u.s. president.
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welcome back to kr"cnn newsroom." i'm george howell. before we get into politics, we will have more information on a story we are following in titusville, florida. two women and an elderly patient at a hospital, they are dead. the facility now secure. we will get more information on that as we continue to follow that story here on cnn.
the presumptive republican nominee has chosen his running mate, mike pence. he laid out why he agreed to team up with trump. >> i answered this call for two reasons. first, it the the the tbecause first-hand experience that strong republican leadership can bring about real change, just like we've seen in the hoosier state. and secondly, because hillary clinton must never become president of the united states of america. >> keeping in mind, though, that pence originally backed ted cruz in the republican primary in indiana, but trump says the need to bring the conservative party together played a big role in his decision for vp. >> one of the big reasons that i those mike, and one of the reasons is party unity, i have
to be honest. so many people have said party unity. because i'm an outsider. i want to be an outsider. i think it's one of the reasons i won in landslides. i won in landslides. this wasn't close. this wasn't close. >> so let's talk more with eugene scott. we just heard trump thayere sayg that it wasn't close during the primaries, and he brought mike pins pence in to bring the party together. but explain pence's appeal when it comes to establishment voters, and there's a possibility that trump was second guessing that choice. >> sure, very much so. as you saw donald trump mention, he is an outsider, which has been much of the reason for his success. but mike pence is very much an insider. in addition to being fwoefrp of indiana, he has had a
classically republican career. he is a law school graduate. prior to being governor he did a stip stint in congress, being elected during the tea party wave. he's had a successful career in conservative talk radio. and in many ways he is straight out of central casting for people in the republican party looking for someone to kind of temper or balance, should we say, donald trump. >> okay, so -- >> but as you mentioned, regarding some of those rumors, our own cnn's dana bash was reporting that there were some rumors that top aides from the trump campaign mentioned that the night before donald trump tweeted that it would be mike pence that he was second guessing whether or not that was the right move for him. >> okay. so an establishment candidate who is appealing to establishment voters, who at one
point called the proposed muslim ban offensive and ce ivive ivi n unconstitutional. a candidate who at one point backed ted cruz. reversals on all of them. how is he explaining his way around that. >> he talked about this a little bit on friday and he would argue that things have been different. when he first pushed back on donald trump's muslim ban, that was then. that was december. but as you have highlight the multiple times, we have had quite a few terrorist attacks since then, and donald trump has moderated hit position saying that the ban would only apply to muslims coming from terrorist states. and so i think mike pence has argued that he could get behind that idea opposed to the traditional idea as well as the fact that there are greater concerns among the base in the
party about the direction of where the world is going in terms of isis and other terrorist groups. >> how is the clinton campaign responding to the new trump/pence ticket? >> well, as you can imagine, they are attacking him viciously on his social conservatism. i wrote a story about elizabeth warren who's become increasingly vocal. she has shifted gears to mike pence, and it's interesting considering the rumors that she could be hillary clinton's pick. two of the main issues they are attacking mike pence are or his views on women. he's one of the leaders in the fight to defund planned parent hood and put many women in a position where they will not be able to exercise their abortion rights is how the left would describe it as well as some of his positions on lgbt issues. as you now, indiana made national, perhaps international
attention for some of its laws that could affect gay citizens. >> eugene scott live from washington and the republican national convention kicks off on monday. we'll see how this all comes together. thank you so much. let's now go back to my colleague, becky anderson who joins us live in paris following the events in turkey. >> that's right, thank you. there is growing uncertainty after the failed coup attempt in turkey. when we return, a look at some of the sights and sounds of the unrest. i used to blame the weather for my frizz. turns out my curls needed to be stronger to fight back. pantene's pro-v formula makes my curls so strong* they can dry
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welcome back to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. i'm becky anderson in paris. >> and i'm max foster in nice, france, trying to come to terms with the deadly terror attack that claimed the lives of 84 people in nice on thursday. isis is claiming the man who drove the truck into the crowds is one of their soldiers. a spokeswoman for the anti-terrorism prosecutor's office says there have been two
no n new arrests. we're joined now by a reporter with the nice newspaper and was one of the first journalists at the scene of the attack. what was the first you heard about it? >> i was on the promenade this night, watching the fireworks. it was a celebration for everybody, the 14 of july, after the euro 2016 in france, and i was going to go, and i got a call that they have a big problem. and ta friend of mine said thata truck went on the promenade and struck everybody. i couldn't believe it.
i called firemen. they said we don't know what is happening, we're just going there. i was calling my colleague who could have been dead that night. he explained in an almost normal voice. i think nobody realized, he told me, it's, it's crazy. a truck went on everybody. there are deaths everywhere, several bodies. people in several pieces. and i couldn't believe him. and, but just after i hang up, i saw bodies, bodies, bodies. and first i was thinking it was localized just in front of a nightclub. but then i stopped my car. and look, bodies, people everywhere. some fire work men started to arrive. it was just starting and i look all over the promenade.
it was blue, police men everywhere. so now i realize, there were several trucks. i thought how could a truck do all of that. and just after people started to tell me everybody was thinking about two guy would fire a weapon inside the old town just here. and i was thinking it's like 13th of november in paris, something like that. >> so you dwquickly realized wh it was? >> yeah. i first, few minutes you cannot think. you have consideration. you don't know where to start from. >> i just wraant to ask you, th is the first time you've been back in the city center since it all happened. how would you describe briefly
the atmosphere here? >> i can see the green, i don't know how you say, green line, like in new york. it's been opened again, but last time i was in the center, i was just going to press conference. and it was all closed. normally here it's just celebration, you know? and four days before the attack was the final of the euro of soccer, soccer, and france lost, but no one cares anymore. i was thinking just after the final, we escaped any attack, terrorism attack. >> nice is a very different atmosphere here, becky. just a couple days ago, really. >> we're going to wrap up this hour for you with some of the traumatic images of the attempted coup in turkey on friday. have a look at these. [ shouting ]
>> environment here has been completely electric. i was trying to make it back to where my hotel was. i couldn't make it because the bridges were blocked. we were told to turn around, there was an attempted coup. [ gun fire ] ♪ >> all the lights are just shut down, and we are hearing gun shots. helicopters overhead, and fighter pilots go over us. [ airplane noise ]
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