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it's friday, july 22nd. >> yeah. the police did do a wonderful job. >> the law enforcement did a great job. it is 4:00 a.m. in the east. thank you to them. >> yeah, well received. we want to welcome our viewers shoutout to lebron james. from all around the world. hope you enjoyed the cnn grill. and they are sweeping up behind i'll see you back here at 10:00 us right now. there is leftover confetti on believe it or not. the floor. that confetti fell. the balloons dropped a few hours ago on the head of donald trump "early start" begins right now. accepting the republican nomination for president. i am the law and order he gave a long speech that painted a picture of a country candidate. america in crisis, a crisis in serious trouble. lawlessness in the streets. that donald trump says that only immigrants are flooding the border, he says. he himself can fix. the final crucial night at the and he says, there is only one ma republican national convention. good morning, everyone, welcome to "early start." i'm john berman at the remnants of the republican national convention. i know, they're breaking it downright behind us, folks. i'm christine romans, it is friday, july 22, it is 3:00 a.m.
in the east. we are here in cleveland at the q where it all happened last night. breaking overnight, donald trump accepting the republican nomination for president, painting a dire picture of america in crisis. citizens in danger, the economy a disaster, lawlessness in the streets, immigrants flooding the borders, all threatening american peace and prosperity. listen. >> our convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. the attacks on our police and the terrorism of our cities threaten our very way of life. any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country. >> all right. cnn's manu raju joins us now. good morning or good night. >> good morning, christine.
this was donald trump that was tapping into the economic anxieties of this country, planning a rather -- planting a rather bleak picture of the united states right now and promoting what he believes would be a strong united states if he were to become the commander in chief. he was railing on trade deals, and he was taking a very hard line as he's done all primary season on immigration. listen to the hard line he took by saying that the country's immigrants, the problem with immigration, is leading to the economic problems that are happening here in this country. >> americans want relief from uncontrolled immigration, which is what we have now. communities want relief, yet hillary clinton is proposing mass amnesty, mass immigration, and mass lawlessness. her plan will overwhelm your
schools and hospitals, further reduce your jobs and wages. we are going to build a great border wall to stop illegal immigration, to stop the gangs and the violence and to stop the drugs from pouring into our communities. >> now, the question out of this four-day event, christine and john is how much has donald trump reached out to swing voters e, to independent voters because we know those kind of remarks that he made really riled up this crowd, really riled up the conservative base, but what does it mean for his candidacy heading into a general election? we won't know for a few days and we won't know until the democrats have their convention in philadelphia. >> let's discuss the big event tonight. we are joined by our three political commentators. john phillips, a donald trump
supporter, and ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson show. good morning to you all. ben ferguson, we have heard this speech called bleak. >> yeah. >> we have heard it called midnight in america. donald trump painting a picture of a country in crisis, a crisis that only he can fix, you know, we heard it called lawless, that crime is going up, he is the law and order candidate. internationally, he says that the world is a disaster and it's barack obama and hillary clinton's fault. listen to what he said there. >> after 15 years of wars in the middle east, after trillions of dollars spent and thousands of lives lost, the situation is worse than it has ever been before. this is the legacy of hillary clinton, death, destruction, terrorism, and weakness. . >> all right, ben, there's that. there's what's happening domestically.
talking about the overall tone here as we hear them cleaning up behind us. >> obviously, i thought this was probably donald trump's best speech that he's given thus far in the campaign. i think he was donald trump with a clear message and a clear vision that things need to get better, and he's the guy to make things get better quickly. he was having that blunt conversation that a lot of people wanted about, this is where we really are, whether it be the law and order candidate, whether it be the jobs issue, foreign policy issue, he laid it out in a way that i think people said, wow, he is definitely going to do something significant if i vote for him. and i think there was a lot of people that are more likely that are conservative voters, those that might have been on the never trump movement or those that said i just can't see myself pushing the button or being excited for him that say, if donald trump says it like this, and keeps it this clear and concise moving forward, in a way that i can agree with him, they're going to vote for him. i think tonight was above average from what i thought he was going to give. i thought we were going to be concerned that, hey, coming out of here, do we even know really what donald trump's going to do.
i think most people say he's going to give the power back to the people that need it and the police and our foreign policy and the way that we deal with other people around the borld world, and i think it was a smart move by him. >> he went straight to the heart of the unease of the middle class about the job situation. i want to listen to some of the promises he's talking about bringing jobs back to some states that are going to be really crucial in november. >> i am going to bring back our jobs to ohio and pennsylvania and new york and michigan and all of america. and i am not going to let companies move to other countries, firing their employees along the way, without consequence. not going to happen anymore. >> trump supporter john phillips, this goes right to what we've been seeing in poll after poll in the primary season, that people have this feeling that there aren't as many good jobs and they want to bring those jobs back. he has hit that consistently
through this campaign. >> right. well, first i have to say that i was slightly disappointed that he stuck to the teleprompter on this speech because i was hoping for a triumph the insult comic dog speech that we've been used to with donald trump. this was tailored to the rust belt. this was tailored to ohio and michigan. it's tailored to pennsylvania, all of those states will decide who is going to win this election, and they, right now, have a serious problem with jobs. they have a problem with losing manufacturing to other countries, trade is a serious issue, not just in the republican primary, but in the democratic primary, let's not forget that bernie sanders came from behind by double digits in some polls in michigan to beat hillary clinton, primarily on the trade issue, and he made a -- an overt plea to bernie sanders supporters during that speech as well on the issue of trade. >> i want to get maria in on this because i know that democrats have a different view of this. they saw this -- and again, this was not a morning in america speech. this was not a speech that some people looked at and said was
optimistic. >> it was mourning in america, not morning. >> someone came prepared. >> and bought a vowel. >> and that is exactly -- everything -- every reaction that i got from people that i knew through twitter, facebook, text, e-mails, everything, not just latinos, but -- and not just democrats, by the way. it was the feeling that we were living in this dystopian mad max gotham, crime ridden, you can't leave your house or someone is going to kill you, and by the way, that someone has brown skin. it left so many people, i think, rocking back and forth in a fetal position. and so, in that sense, i don't think donald trump did himself any favors if, in fact, what he was looking for was to appeal beyond the base of the people who were in this arena and his supporters outside of cleveland. i believe, especially after last night, that he has made a
calculated decision to write off latino voters, to write off african-american voters, and frankly, to write off some women voters as well, and focus on these rust belt, white working class voters and he thinks that he can get enough of those to come out and support him to win, because with the kind of -- >> i hear what you're saying. >> hang on a second. with the kind of messages that he had last night, he is not going to broaden the appeal in the way the growth and opportunity project that the rnc wrote for 2012 said that the republican party had to do. >> there is a difference in the mentality of this election. some people want a hug. and they want to feel good. and some people realize that the hope and change hug of eight years didn't do anything for them on jobs. one of the issues i think donald trump has not done enough on was being what the original -- when he ran, he was the businessman, right? we haven't heard a lot about the business side of things. we've heard a lot about foreign policy and, you know, the military, we've heard a lot of this back and forth and fighting and arguing, you know, with the other side and the other candidates, it was a nasty
primary. what i saw from him last night was one thing he got back really focused on was on the job creation side and he's saying, i'm not going to hug you, i'm going to tell you it's not good, but i'm going to fix it. >> how is he going to fix it? he's for tpp, has been for trade agreements before, and you've got donald trump who's consistently talked about potentially having major trade issues with china and mexico that could hurt the economy and hurt job creation. >> i think his point is, i'm going to go in and not keep doing the status quo because it's not playing to our advantage. most people agree with that when they look at what they made now compared to eight years ago and how much jobs have left this country. he says, i may take some risks but the way we're going now is not working for the american worker, it's not working statistically, i'm going to shake it up. >> i did a focus group to be the and it was fascinating. they did see it as dark and dystopian as a lot of people, most three media, saw.
they looked some of the clips. they did not like the law and order. they didn't respond to that at all. they said that sounded kind of fishy. and they also thought that the how you're going to fix things, ben, you said you were impressed by the business stuff. they said that wasn't there. he identified the problems, they said, but they want to see solutions, john. what is his solution other than i'm donald trump? >> well, i think reading the temperature in the room is first and foremost what he needs to do and he did that last night. 69% of the people believe n this country, that the country is going in the wrong direction. people are terrified, terrified of terrorism, police officers getting shot, they're terrified of crime, and they want someone who's going to go in and change the course and maybe it's not something that's positive, maybe it's not something that's user friendly, maybe it's not something that makes you warm and fuzzy, but it's the truth. people don't want more san bernardinos, they don't want more orlandos and right now, hillary clinton is running as parts of the government that's been in charge when all that has
happened. >> i can't believe ben ferguson has come out as anti-hug, though. >> here's the issue, i think. it's not -- it's not that the people that i'm talking about are looking for a hug. because they also live in this reality. but their reality is a bit different than what donald trump described yesterday. if you look at the numbers and we've been talking about this, christine. hispanics and african-americans look at this country in a much more optimistic way, even though a lot of the crime that donald trump has been talking about is in their neighborhoods. they inherently have a much more optimistic view of their future. in fact, more than half believe that they are better off economically and 81% of hispanics believe that their children will be better off economically than they are. and so when they hear somebody like donald trump, who never offered anything, so, for example, last night, when he talked about immigration, the only thing that he could talk about was criminal immigrants killing people. >> here's what ---hang on.
>> killing peoples sons and daughters and that's fine, that's awful, that's horrible. he couldn't talk about a positive story about a legal immigrant. >> that's a warm hug. >> no, it's not. but isn't that also the reality of this country? >> there's a bunch of stuff to get through tonight. last night, it's now last night. it is now this morning. everyone keep it there for a second because we also want to talk about donald trump giving perhaps the most inclusive acceptance speech in gop history. who, in particular, he reached out to and the crowd's response. we've got that next. "why are you checking your credit score?"
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all right. donald trump's acceptance speech, perhaps the most inclusive in republican party history. the nominee reaching out to women, african-americans, latinos, even the lgbtq community. i want to return to our panel. maria, john, ben, and josh rogan joins us this morning. listen. let's talk a little bit here about who donald trump was reaching out to and sort of the lgbt community in particular. listen to his -- listen to exactly what he said. >> as your president, i will do
everything in my power to protect our lgbtq citizens from the violence and oppression of a hateful foreign ideology. believe me. and i have to say, as a republican, it is so nice to hear you cheering for what i just said. thank you. thank you. >> and there was cheering. there was a lot of enthusiasm in the room behind us that is now empty, and then there was this other moment. peter thiel, he's a billionaire, one of the cofounders of paypal, someone who proudly stood on that stage and talked about -- listen for yourself. >> of course, every american has a unique identity. i am proud to be gay. i am proud to be a republican. but most of all, i am proud to be an american.
>> joethat was quite a moment o the republican stage. >> it was. you wouldn't have seen this eight years ago at the republican convention, even four years ago. it shows a water shed moment in the evolution of this in our country. i think it's a natural progression. at the same time, i don't think donald trump is going to get any of the lgbtq vote. he's only protecting them from foreign ideologies now. what about all the threats they face inside america that don't come from isis? >> is it an evolution or is donald trump an outlier? because i don't think that ted cruz would have given that speech, ben. >> i don't know if he would or not, to be honest with you, because i've had a lot of conversations around his camp and i think there's a lot of young republicans, younger conservatives that this is very normal for them. it's not a progression. i was one of those that did take heat four years ago, eight yeeryears ago for being an advocate on this issue, having friends that were gay and lesbian. this was not something we were shocked about and i think what
he did was put out -- look, he was talking about foreign, but he's also talking about domestic as well. he's somebody that -- >> no. he didn't say that. >> let's remember. he came out and called the law in one state totally incorrect, the bathroom law. he also came out and said caitl caitlynjenner, come into the trump tower. so he's been pretty progressive, relatively on this issue. >> here's the problem. the gop platform. >> i can't believe you found a problem in this. i'm shocked. >> the gop platform is the most anti-lgbt platform in history. i mean, when you have a platform that goes against what actually is now law and focuses on traditional marriage, when you have a platform that calls -- hang on a second. when you have a platform that calls for conversion therapy for goodness sake, you're not going to get the lgbt community to look at that line in donald trump's speech and say, he speaks for me. >> i will say this, the majority
of the people don't look at the platform. i don't think that was a main issue of the platform. i don't think that -- i think you're doing a little bit of fear mongering here. >> it's the gop platform. what i'm saying is the majority of people in the room don't care about the platform. >> why is it in there? >> again, i don't think -- i never heard anything about conversion therapy this week at all. this is the first time. >> you're saying the gop platform doesn't speak for the party? >> this is the first time i've heard about this at all. >> i can send it to you. >> i think what happened last night was necessary because the language in the platform is horrific. and yet another reminder why the platform should not be written until the open bars start because if you do that, then these serpent handlers are going to be the ones writing the platform. donald trump is a blue state republican and there is a difference between blue state republicans and red state republicans. this is what ted cruz was going at when he said he had new york values. donald trump is comfortable around gay people. as you mentioned before, we have seen an evolution in this country on the issue of gay
rights, not just in the republican party, but in the democratic party. hillary clinton gave a speech on the floor of the senate saying that she opposed gay marriage because of moral and religious grounds. she's evolved, the president evolved, and i predict that donald trump will evolve. >> it was really something to see peter thiel up there and also encouraging young people to be inclusive and not to fall into divisiveness about gender identity. i mean, that was a moment, i think, that was pretty interesting. >> i think they're yelling at us to go to commercial. >> i think they are too. the head of fox news is officially out. what led to the departure of roger ailes. we have that next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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all right. seismic tremors in the media industry, roger ailes, 76-year-old executive had been head of fox news since its inception more than 20 years ago resigned effective immediately. that in the wake of the sexual harassment allegations coming after gretchen carlson filed a lawsuit accusing ailes of sexual harassment and for firing her for spurning his advances. ailes is going a away with a reported $40 million, 85-year-old rue pert murdock is going to take over as chief executive until a replacement is named. >> so fascinating. also nas nating, it comes this week with the republican convention underway. this is somebody who is a republican power broker for many, many years. all right, let's get an early start on your monday this morning the winning streak for stocks is over but boy what a
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the most important difference between our plan and that of our opponent is that our plan will put america first. . >> donald trump promising to put america first, laying out a laundry list of dangerous problems from crime to the economy, problems he says he will fix. welcome back to "early start" this morning. i'm christine romans here where they're tearing down the stage behind us. >> i'm john berman, want to welcome our viewers here in cleveland, the united states, all around the world, turn out the lights, the party's over. they are literally sweeping up the confetti behind us rite now. they had a ruroomba going a few
moments ago. donald trump was accepting the republican nomination for president. it was a long, long speech. painting a picture of a country in serious trouble, the economy a disaster, lawlessness in the streets, immigrants flooding the borders, and only one man, one man who can fix it. him. listen. >> our convention occurs at a moment of crisis for our nation. the attacks on our police and the terrorism of our cities threaten our very way of life. any politician who does not grasp this danger is not fit to lead our country. >> cnn's manu raju, the human roomba joins us now. manu, long speech, big speech. >> very long speech, in fact an
hour and 15 minutes t longest speech of any acceptance address in the last four decades and what we saw was donald trump emphasizing the themes that he pushed all primary season long, talking about economic anxiety, tapping -- trying to tap into those concerns, promoting what he views as a strong vision of america, if he were to become president, and taking a hard line on immigration. listen to the tough words he said about illegal immigrants who are coming into this country and taking away american jobs. >> americans want relief from uncontrolled immigration, which is what we have now. communities want relief, yet hillary clinton is proposing mass amnesty, mass immigration, and mass lawlessness. her plan will overwhelm your schools and hospitals, further
reduce your jobs and wages. we are going to build a great border wall to stop illegal immigration, to stop the gangs and the violence and to stop the drugs from pouring into our communities. >> now, the trump campaign is very happy with that address after three days of hiccups in this convention, they believe that they are leaving in a more unified fashion despite some clear concerns with his candidacy from some of his own primary rivals, including, of course, ted cruz and john kasich, the governor of this state. but the question is whether donald trump was able to reach out to swing voters, and we just won't know that for several days. >> thank you so much for that. let's discuss last night's main event with our three cnn political commentators, maria cordona, john phillips, and ben ferguson, host of the ben ferguson show. i want to talk a little bit
about donald trump's -- trump's confidence that he is the one, the only one, who has the key to grow jobs, to bring jobs back and to do business deals that will be good for america. let's hear what he said about how he will make america rich. >> i have made billions of dollars in business making deals. now, i'm going to make our country rich again. i am going to turn our bad trade agreements into great trade agreements. i will make individual deals with individual countries. no longer will we enter into these massive transactions with many countries that are thousands of pages long and which no one from our country even reads or understands. >> ben ferguson, let's talk about this, because his vice president has approved some of -- many of those deals and was a supporter of tpp, which is
a agreement agreement that's meant to counter chinese influence in the pacific, and most reasonable economists and trade experts say what donald trump is proposing would cause trade wars, friction, and loss of american jobs and prosperity. >> yeah, i'm not as concerned as some have been and i've been pretty critical of donald trump because i think his point was, when you have things that are this big, and when you have this many players and this many countries involved, there must be a better way to have better deals individually. and i think his point is, i can do that, because i understand trade and a lot of people just threw whole bunch of stuff together and people get things they want here or there. >> but the point of the trade deals zha when you do it one by one, you have a playing field that's all crazy. when you do trade deals by region -- >> that's what we're told, and i think donald trump is saying, what you've been told may not actually be accurate because it's not working for the average american. are we gaining jobs in this country or are they continuing to go overseas? are we winning in the trade war with china or do they have a
huge advantage? right now, we're not winning. we are a great country, and we're losing jobs. we are a great country with great workers, and they're not working in these jobs that we need. so, i'm going to come in, and i'm going to look at this a little bit more closely, i'm not going to do these big kumbaya deals and tell you when i package them that they're amazing because over the last 20-plus years, it has not worked well for the united states american worker and he says i'm going to switch that. >> it's resonating. >> it is. it really is. >> you kept on saying, it's a great country, it's a great country. the criticism of donald trump's speech is that he painted a picture of a country that is not great at all. you know ---he's honest. >> well, honest that -- >> i think most people think america is great but we're not getting the advantage we deserve. >> he says lawlessness on the streets. you know, as if there's just no order in this country at all. >> you know what this reminds me of, it reminds me of which richard rear ddon ran for mayorf
los angeles, crime was on the rise, people were terrified and they were looking for someone from outside the system to go in and fix the problem. we had tom bradley, who put together this new multiethnic coalition, he was there for five terms, the man was an institution and everyone made fun of deck rearreardon, he ran the platform, tough enough to turn los angeles around. it's a law and order platform and deck rear ddon in the deepl blue city of los angeles was able to get elected on this platform of law and order, los angeles is not a good place, los angeles needs to be turned around, and needs a fresh coat of paint. it worked in los angeles, and it can work in the country. >> the problem is, is that america isn't los angeles and when you cherry pick the crime statistics like donald trump did, chicago, yes, lot of homicides there, no question. you know, police officer killing. >> but be honest. >> it's not, though. >> you have to account terrorism. you have to account terrorism,
what you saw in baltimore and ferguson. people do not feel safe and the obama administration can come out after orlando or come out after any terrorist attack in paris and say, we're making gains in iraq and syria. if people don't feel safe at home, that's going to alter the way they vote. >> you are right. >> wait, wait. in a sense, maria, they are right, whatever the stats say, you can't tell people they're not afraid if they are. >> that is very true, but what a true leader also can do is to talk about solutions that bring people together, not pull people apart, which is exactly what donald trump is doing. when he talks about being the law and order candidate, let's not kid ourselves. that is a dog whistle to african-americans and to latinos because it makes them feel like they are the ones who are culpable for all of the crime and lawlessness that donald trump is talking about. >> that's not what hea's talkin about, though. >> hang on a second. it would be credible, ben, if during his speech, at some point, he would admit that there
is an issue with racial bias in police and police -- or in police communities, not everybody, clearly, but there is an issue with african-americans having suffered racial bias and discrimination, latinos as well, and when you have a leader who's talking about law and order who cannot even admit that and talk about it, then that tells these communities that they're the ones who are to blame for the lawlessness. >> i think this is where you don't understand the translation of what he's talking about with the law and order. coming from dallas, seeing what happened there last week, those police officers that were killed, it had nothing to do with what happened in baton rouge, it had nothing to do with what happened in st. paul. it happened because they were policemen and for seven years, you've had a different perspective on the police from the united states of america. barack obama came into that room in dallas and named those two other people by name who were killed in those two other cities as somehow we need to have a
group conversation about this in dallas. and the people in dallas were saying, our police officers are just slaughtered. they had nothing to do with those two cities, so when he comes out and says, i'm the law and order candidate. his point is this. i'm going to back the police. we're not going to have a killing on the police. we are going to live in safe cities, and i'm not going to sit here and undermine them so that people think it's acceptable to kill police officers in this country. >> no one is not supporting the police, ben. no one is not supporting the police. >> let's not veer off course. >> i want to ask you, john, because you were doing focus polling. how did that play last night? >> i'll tell you what played. whenever you talk about the police, people are very sporltive of the police, and they reach out. people have a sense that there's a problem with terrorism. when he talked about terrorism being a problem, that resonated. what did not resonate, strikingly, was when he said, i'm the law and order candidate. that phrase seemed to bother people. you had a spike downward when he said that. to me, what that indicates is people are willing to accept that there is a problem out
there, but maybe, ben, those words are coded in a way that people do find disappointing. >> absolutely. >> look, i think that's a risk worth taking, because i think the majority of people that are going to look at donald trump and vote for him understand exactly what he means, which is, we're going to support the police, we are going to have law and order. we're not going to allow the massive killings that we've seen in the streets in major big cities, and let's be real. in major cities, top 50 markets, there has been a large influence or large, i should say, increase in serious crimes, murders. there have been in big cities. >> that's not true, ben. >> in dallas, there has been. >> in the 50 markets where you have people that are looking. my moment of memphis, tennessee, 130-plus murders already this year, the highest in 17 years. 17 years. >> but here's the thing. he talked about washington, d.c., for example. my husband works in these communities in washington d.c., and he said, that's just wrong. if he talks about just in one year, then sure, you can extrapolate that and say, okay, there was a spike.
that's president obama's fault. well, guess what? from the year that he talked about was a low -- was a record low. so, does president obama get credit for that record low in crime? >> we're going to leave that there. that's a discussion, i think, really resonated. interesting how you were looking at this in the polling. also donald trump last night tore apart the current state of the economy last night, millions are leaving the labor force, wages are too low, and he zeroed in on a demographic where he is polling miserably low. >> nearly four in ten african-american children are living in poverty while 58% of african-american youth are now not employed. >> let's look at trump's poverty claim first, according to a 2014 census report, 36% of african-american youth are living below the poverty line. that covers those under the age of 18. his employment numbers, though, were a little more complicated.
i want to look at those for you. he says 58% of african-american youth are not employed. the official jobless rate for african-americans age 16 to 24 is 14.9%. now, that's almost three times the national rate of 4.9%. so, it is a problem, but where did he get that 58%? he may have been referring to underemployment. and that means you might have a job but it's not a job that is full-time or up to your standards. that rate among black high school graduates is 51%. it's 36% for hispanic youths, and 33% for whites. >> all right. we're going to talk about a lot more coming up. donald trump with new warnings of what will happen to the country if hillary clinton is elected president. the clinton campaign, though, they're getting ready to make some big news of their own, a vice presidential pick, the running mate announcement, could it come in the next few hours? k in brooklyn. meet mylanta® tonight. it's also fast,
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in charge of america's foreign policy. let's defeat her in november. okay? >> that's actually a very significant moment. people have been chanting "lock her up" all week. donald trump did not buy into the chant. instead, he said, let's defeat her. a lot of people thought that was donald trump projecting moderation there. however the speech did also project a sense of doom and danger facing the country, if hillary clinton is elected. clinton did respond overnight. she said, tonight, donald trump painted a dark picture of an america in decline, and his answer, more fear, more division, more anger, more hate
was yet another reminder that he is temperamentally unfit and totally unqualified to be president of the united states. that is the chorus of the song that the clinton campaign singsz about 35 times a day. now we are in the final hours before that campaign will unveil hillary clinton's running mate. i should the leak of who it will be could come later today. the official rollout and public appearance is expected this weekend. the panel rejoins us now. maria cardona, john phillips, ben ferguson, and joining us is josh rogan and needed josh rogan just to ask, who's the running mates? >> smart money's on tim kaine. it's the safe pick. she feels like she's ahead, she's comfortable, he's qualified, governor, head of the dnc, from a swing state. if she doesn't have to take a risk, then she's not going to take a risk. >> speaks fluent spanish. >> we keep hearing tom vilsack
come up. i keep hearing his name batted around there but you think it's tim kaine. >> people who are close to the clinton campaign seem to think he's the we how will the super delegates react on the floor of the convention when tim kaine walks out. >> they'll go crazy. we love tim kaine. i'm sure that you will have people who have their favorites, but i think one of the things that the democratic party's enjoying right now is unity. i think that right now, everybody who has been on a -- whatever short list you have of the people who she might pick, whether it's julian castro, cory booker, they're all fantastic and great, so people will have their favorites, but whoever she picks, people will, i think, go crazy, because they will see a winning ticket. let's remember that people don't really vote for the vp. and so at the end of the day, it's going to be her, and if it's her ticket, people are
going to be very enthusiastic about it. >> somebody sold me this weekend, tim kaine is mike the mike pence of the democratic party, really nice, safe, doesn't overshadow hillary clinton, and i think it's a pretty smart move. >> the biggest difference is he actually agrees with hillary clinton on the issues. it's the difference between actually having party unity and pretending to have party unity. >> let's talk about momentum. these voens conventions are meant to show the candidate, portray the party in its platform, and every night is supposed to build on the last night. if you have a leak from hillary clinton, you know, today, about her vice presidential pick, then does that wipe donald trump kind of off the headlines? . >> i'm not convinced the bernie people won't go nuts because kaine is from a conservative state, or at least it was more conservative when he was involved in state and local politics. he's a member of the nra,
personally opposed to abortion, and bernie sanders wasn't even vetted for the job and tim kaine, a fairly conservative democrat, is going to get it. >> two things. one, you're right. progressives, up until about a month ago, progressives might say, we don't like what hillary clinton did with her vp pick, but they have been laying the ground work for this for a month now, hard. >> bernie endorsed her so i don't think that's going to be an issue. >> it's not like here where you have delegate fights and floor fights and runners up giving the candidate the middle finger on the stage. none of that is going to happen. >> they'll send nasty grams on twitter. >> if look to eight years ago, john mccain unveiled sara palin the friday after the thursday night when obama spoke in denver and it absolutely did suck up every ounce of -- >> nobody knew how to pronounce her last name. think of that different world. >> sara who? i remember. >> clinton people today said it's not necessarily -- they
don't want to necessarily end the trump story. they think this convention has been a disaster for trump, we've had successive nights of bad press, dysfunction, mess-ups, even though there were no huge catastrophes tonight, they think if they see that nato interview in the "new york times." >> they'll continue to push the chaos. >> they want the focus to be on trump. >> i will be the first to say that monday and tuesday were not good nights. >> and wednesday. >> wednesday wasn't as bad but i said this tonight. if donald trump walks out there and does a great speech, an exceptional speech and i think he overproduced from what i honestly thought i was going to get from him. >> but that's above average and exceptional are different. >> for what was happening this week, i think a lot of people were going to forget what happened earlier this week. no one's going to be talking about ted cruz after last night with donald trump. so the idea that you have a couple days of, like, misery that they can just let sort t story keep going, the story is going to be about donald trump giving a really blunt, honest
speech that a lot of conservatives liked and a lot of people felt good about. obviously, liberals weren't, and that's okay. i'm just reporting to you how they're thinking about it. >> they think it was terrible, and they think that donald trump's speech wasn't amazing, that the bar was set very low. >> he didn't appeal to a broader cross section. >> do you think he gets a bump in the polls? >> oh, oh, how about this? john just asked a great question. do you think he will get a bump in. >> maybe. >> don't answer because i'm going to tease it. do you think he will get a bump in the polls? when we come back, we'll answer that question. stay with us.