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this is "gps," the global public square. welcome to all of you from the university and around the world, i'm fareed zakaria. today's show will tackle this week's main event, of course, the gop convention in cleveland. the republican hope was to unify the party behind one man, donald j. trump. we have a panel of conservative pundits to tell us whether they succeeded. >> i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination for the presidency of the united states. >> then we will make you inside russia's doping deception. how in the world did they do it? how did they fool the world? fascinating story.
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also, the terrible violence of recent weeks reminds us yet again of the fraught relationship between african-americans and the criminal justice system. civil rights lawyer brian stevenson says that problems will continue until the nation addresses the root cause. >> we made up this ideology of white supremacy in america, and we haven't confronted it. but first, here's my take. donald trump set a reported on thursday for the longest speech delivered by the nominee at a convention in decades. if one were able to go back and measure the decibel levels from the past, i'm sure he would win that prize as well. >> we are going to build a great border wall. >> the speech was screamed more than spoken, but the media matched the message.
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trump painted a picture of america that was darker than any candidate in modern history. there's been paralegals drawn to nixon's speech at the 1978 republican convention, but that was sunny by comparison, can you imagine nixon saying this? >> we shall work toward the goal of an open world, open skies, open cities, open hearts, open minds. >> or this. >> let us increase the wealth of america so we can provide more generously for the needy and all those who cannot help themselves. >> and in 1968, it was a time of national and international crisis. the soviet union and the united states were locked in a cold war, proxy wars between the two superpowers were ongoing around the world. the united states had half a million troops in vietnam, with more than 300 dying on average
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on a war that was going badly. two of the country's most respected leaders, robert kennedy and martin luther king jr. had been assassinated. the latter producing race riots in more than 100 american cities. crime was rising dramatically. the united states has emerged from the great recession of 2009 better than any of the world's major economies. it has produced more than 14 million jobs since 2010. more than the 35 other advanced economies combined, as poll lit toe fact has noticed. when obama took office, 9.6 million on an annualized basis, last month they reached 16.6 million. over the last eight years, america has become the world's largest producer of oil and natural gas, overtaking russia and saudi arabia. and unemployment is now below 5%.
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let me try to present the broader trends to you. if you're terrified by the massive rise in terrorism you hear about, here is the chart detailing mass killings and again know sites. we have data on civilians killed since 1988. on the decline in homicide in america and in the world. on the victimization of children, a huge drop. on the decline of rape in america. and the net migration from mexico to america since the great recession has been zero. yes, zero.
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i know that fed on a diet of hype, hysteria and relentless attacks, people don't feel this way. but it is time to point out, that doesn't make it true. facts are facts. there is no golden age to go back to. what america do we want to return to? the 1950s when marginal tax rates and african-americans couldn't sit at the same lunch counters as whites? the 1960s when the country was consumed by war and crises? the 1970s when stagflation robbed the ordinary american of income and opportunity? america is great. a country of openness, diversity tolerance and innovation. of course it has problems, as do all countries. of course it can be greater still. but not if it succumbs to anger,
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hatred, division and despair. for more, go to and read my column this week. let's get started. ♪ well, you've heard my take and let us bring in four distinguished conservative intellectuals to give us their dak. david frum, daniel pletka, brad stevens, a pulitzer prize columnist for "the wall street journal," a journal of the editorial board, and steven moore is a senior adviser to the trump campaign and with the heritage foundation. brad, let me start with you. you are a solid conservative but you've written critically about donald trump. what did you see at the convention and did it change
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your mind? >> i felt like i was watching a monty python skit. it was low comedy with real demagog demagoguery and i felt more alienated from the party than i have in my life, most of all by mr. trump's negative appeals to fear and loathing in his address on thursday night. i cannot remember a more consistently hate-filled speech, never mind any republican party, but any presidential address. this sounded like richard nixon without the charm and sel self-effacement. >> steven, you're advising trump, and i was wondering what you made of trump's relentless
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attack on fair trade, did that make you rethink your support for donald trump? >> no, let me make a broader point first, which is i think the reason the trump speech was so effective is that what trump had to do was basically convince the american people that he could be president, that he was presidential. and notwithstanding what bret just said, i thought he came across as a commanding presence, who could play the role of president, just as ronald reagan did in 1980, the hollywood actor, he sort of showed the american people, i can do this job, that's one of the reasons that the polls showed that it was overwhelmingly approved of, that speech. you mentioned the one area where i disagree with donald trump, i'm a free trader, and i'm uneasy with what he's saying about free trade. but renegotiating some of the
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trade deals so they're more on the interests of americans and forcing china to play by the rules and stop cheating and stealing from us, i think that's something as a free market guy i can support. >> danielle, you said before the speech, he side some things about nato that worried you, did he come across as a commander in chief for you? >> unfortunately, he came across as the commander in chief of russia. not the united states. you know, what he said about nato in the interview that he gave on wednesday to "the new york times" was so troubling. for many of us who care about national security and who care intensely about our allies and the countries that we saved from soviet domination, that we took into our embrace in nato, what donald trump said about not being willing to protect our nato, our treaty allies was just downright frightening. and the fact that someone like
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paul manafort, his adviser, who has been in the pocket of putin and putin cronies could affect the republican platform in that way is just totally troubling to anybody who believes in a democracy. >> david frum, what about the people who weren't there, the five nominees of the republican party, 93-year-old bob dole was there. does that matter? is this the new republican party? >> the governor of ohio was not there, which is an arresting, arresting fact. i think a lot of politicians sense a catastrophe to come and they are right about that, of course. the task ahead is to work backwards from where we are going to be after voting day in november. i think one of the things that you have to appeal to republican elected officials is to say how
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do you prevent it from becoming the wreck of the republican party? how do we recover and rebuild? he's going to lose. he deserves to lose. and the question is how do we make sure that he doesn't drag better men, better women down after him. up next, stay with us. i will ask steven moore if trump will lose and, by the way, what should the democrats do next week, when we come back. with 8 grams of protein, and 8 other nutrients. 9 out of 10 u.s. olympians grew up drinking milk. moms know kids grow strong when they milk life.
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we are back with david frum, daniel, steven moore and bret
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stevens. what is the new republican party look like? because at the end of the day, you might not like it, the core of trump's message is about stopping trade, stopping immigration, the things that got the weakest response at the convention was paul ryan's message of deregulation, tax cuts, even when donald trump talked about tax cuts, very little applause for that, what you have out there are these voters who are protectionists, global -- >> what you saw this week in cleveland, was the passing of the baton from the bush era, to a new trump era, and it will be a new party with a new message. yes, we are going to require nato countries to pay for their own defense, i have no problem with that, we're running trillion dollar deficits, why
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can't germany and france pay their own. we're going the have the biggest tax cut since ronald reagan, we're going to repeal obama care and replace it with a choice based health care system, much like what the american enterprise institute has argued for, we're going to deregulate the economy, we're going to have a pro regulation policy, those are big ideas that will appeal to middle class working class folks all over the country, and i would simply say to my friend david frum, i'll bet you that you're wrong on this, trump is going to win this election, because he's going to win in pennsylvania and ohio and michigan and iowa and wisconsin, those kind of blue collar industrial states where republicans haven't done very
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well in the last 20 or 30 years. >> david, are steven's ideas conservative enough for you? >> i am probably the least conservative member of this panel, i have long urged the republican party to make peace on health care, for a more cautious approach on immigration. the problem is that it can't be advocated by a person who is as reckless and divisive as donald trump and who is going to repel so much of the traditional republican party, not everyone in america is an unemployed steelworker, this is not a country of catastrophe, this is a country of growth, we all carry computers in our pockets with access to all the world's knowledge. we don't want to be republican -- and say everyone who thinks we're living in a mad max post apocalyptic health state, how do you build an enterprise with people who don't believe in enterprise? >> daniel, what do you think the democrats should do watching
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this convention? >> you know, donald trump really set up hillary clinton beautifully. somebody contrasted trump with reagan favorably and suggested that somehow this was going to be a rebirth. let me tell you, in 1980, ronald reagan talked about morning in america. he brought a message of hope and optimism, of belief in the american people, a set of principles with global leadership. last night was deep and dark. people analogized it to "batman rises." what hillary clinton needs to do is be positive and hopeful. i'm not going to vote for him and i'm not going to vote for her either. but she needs to -- looking at their last days of greatness and an america in which he can confidence we can grow again, we can have a better economy and
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people who lost their jobs actually can be offered a lifeline and hope. >> bret, would you counsel hillary clinton to do that or would you say, do the 1964 campaign, that is, when lyndon johnson painted goldwater as just too dangerous to become president? >> i think hillary should be a real bid for people in the center, for people afraid of trump and she should present herself as a sober, dignified, thoughtful candidate who is going to turn the democratic party into a party of inclusion, and a party that appeals to the center much like her husband did. those who think donald trump is an empty vessel in which you will pour the sweet wine of deregulation and the paul ryan agenda, i think you're fooling yourselves in a very dangerous way, donald trump has been a protectionist for a long time, he's been an isolationist for a long time.
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the american first theme in foreign policy is not new. and the record damage this will do to every single republican who has aligned himself prominently with trump i think will last for the rest of their careers after november. >> steven, i have to give you the last word, briefly, because you're outnumbered three to one. >> look, i think that -- look, the country is in bad shape right now, i just disagree with the rest of my colleagues. i mean we have got police being murdered on the streets of our major cities, we got murder rates in my home city of chicago, that are just atrocious, we have got an economy that is not working creating good jobs, we have got terrorism here and around the world, yeah, it was a bit bleak,
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but you know what, for a lot of americans, it's a bleak situation in this country, what trump's going to do next is say i've got real solutions that are going to bring morning to america. stand by guys, because we're going to present that in the weeks ahead. when we come back, the fascinating inside story of the russian doping scandal. you don't want to miss this. day since you could walk! now i just say it with my eyes like... folks, park ranger mark. -sup, bro? -hey, forest cop. you're taking up a lot of space. i'm going to need you to move a vehicle. todd, load the four-wheeler into the truck. flo: that's like bundling! 'cause progressive can bundle your boat, atv, and rv with your truck to save you money. don't talk to her. she has rabies. rabies was created by the government. look it up. [ flames whoosh ] [ gasps ] who are you people? yay, grandpa's still alive. i don't want to buy any cookies, little girl.
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now for our "what in the world" segment. you have heard all about the russian olympic doping scandal and the reaction of various reporting organizations and the governments, but just how did it all happen? it is an amazing story. to explain we have invited a reporter who has broken many aspects of the story for the "new york times." reb back -- rebecca, welcome. so your source is the director of the russian lab that was in charge of all this, how did you get to him, how did he get to you? >> that's a great question. the world anti-doping agency commissioned an investigation last into allegations of widespread doping in russia. and that investigation wound up accusing the country of
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government ordered cheating, of a government run doping program focused on track and field athletes and it named the director of russia's national anti-doping laboratory as a key figure in that scheme. he did not really cooperation with that inquiry and after he was accused, he fled to the united states to los angeles and months later, this past may, we spoke with him for the first time, he has not spoken since nor had he spoken prior to that. >> and what he describes is really an extraordinary thorough account. take us through it. he would get lists around midnight every day, this was in sochi in the laboratory where they were meant to be testing for doping. >> exactly, he detailed schemes that dated back years and he
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said that when russia was hosting the 2014 winter games in sochi, the country saw it as an opportunity, he said to control the lab and the results and to dope throughout competition. and so he said russia's top olympians, their medal contenders were on this mixture of steroids throughout sochi, he said he received spreadsheets from the sports ministry, that detailed who was on the doping program, when their competition dates were going to be, informing when exactly he needed to swap out their steroid laced urine for clean urine, and it was an elaborate scheme in which, he said every night he would receive a text message with a list of athletes names and the seven digit code that corresponded with the urine sample they delivered that day, which was supposed to be anonymous. >> he would be sure to leave the
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light on in his office to give the impression he was still working, he would go to room 125, changing out of his lab coat into a national team sweatshirt, he said, and he would there work for hours with the help of russia's intelligence service, through a hand-sized hole in the wall, which he provided us pictures of and which subsequent investigation probing hiss account that we confirmed existence of, would pass bottles which were thought to be tamper proof. they have been used at the olympics since the year 2000, since the sidney olympic. and whenever the bottle is opened, the cap is supposed to have been broken and show signs of tampering. >> and yet in these ones, it didn't. >> he said with the help of
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russia's intelligence service, he broke into these bottles reliably every night and was able to sir surreptitiously clean and that urine had been stockpiled in the months leading up to sochi. >> just to be clear, this entire doping program was being done by the head of russia's anti-doping. >> you picked up an irony there. additionally, he said that was acting at the behest of the sports ministry, what the lab director said yes, i was a key executor of this scheme, but i was very much acting on direct orders from the government to win at any cost. >> fascinating. thank you so much. >> thank you. next on "gps," a series of events in america that have brought back to the fore an
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issue that just doesn't go away. the struggle between african-americans and law enforcement. my next guest says that is because the united states is a post-genocidal authority. approaching medicare eligibility?
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endorsed by aarp. call now and request your free decision guide... and start gathering the information you need to help you go long™. it has been a rough few weeks in the united states for relations between african-americans and the police. lives have been lost on both sides of the conflict, the police feel unsupported and the series of caught on tape shootings of black suspects have once again raised the uncomfortable question, is the criminal justice system rigged against african-americans? to help us understand, i recently talked to a man who fights hard to reform that system and has written a heartbreaking book about it, "just mercy."
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brian steven son is a law professor at nyu. for his work, he has won a mcarthur genius grant, amongst many others. welcome. >> thank you. >> i want you to tell the story that got you involved in the crusade that you're on. you're a young lawyer and you decide to get involved in the case of a guy, walter mcmillan, who was wrongly accused of murder and on death row when you met him. in a town that ironically was the town that is supposed to be the place where "to kill a mockingbird" was set. >> that's right. it was that disconnect that really got my attention. when i finished law school, i was surprised to know that this
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was going on. he was convicted of a crime in monroeville and the town loves the story "to kill a mockingbird." he was convicted in a trial that lasted a day and a half. the jury returned a verdict of life but judges have the ability to impose the death penalty. and so the judge, whose name was robert e. lee-key, imposed the death penalty for a crime this man did not commit. it was a challenging case because he was with many people when the crime took place. the entire black community knew he was innocent. but because they were there with him, they felt convicted. they felt condemned. i think what we have done in this country with mass incarceration is not just incarcerate a lot of people, convict a lot of people, condemn
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a lot of people but we have marginalized whole communities. we fought for six years to bring this evidence forward and he walked out free. >> and you point out that in 1972, american incarceration rates compared to european countries, it looks pretty normal. >> yes. >> and then it just skyrockets. >> yes, that's right. throughout most of the 1970s, our level of incarceration was relatively steady, we incarcerated 100,000 to 200,000 people. when this war on drugs kicked in, we see an era that has defined us as a society that is the most punitive in human history. we now have the highest amount of incarceration in the world. we went from 300,000 people in jails and prisons. to 2.3 million people in jails and prisons. we have 5% of the world's
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population, but 25% of the world's imprisoned. 6 million people on probation or parole. 70 million americans with criminal arrests. >> and the racial component of this is real. >> the race statistics are the most disparaging, one in three black male babies born in this county is expected to go to jail or prison, the statistic for latino boys is one in six. and that's a shameful realty that was not during the 20th century. >> so when we look at the videos that we have all seen in the last year of police officers seemingly entirely unjustifiably shooting, killing, arresting young black men, you're not surprised? >> no, i think there is a narrative of racial difference in this country that we have never confronted. i think we live with a kind of smog in the air. our history of racial inequality
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is a kind of pollution. and we haven't done the things we need to do to affect a different, healthy environment. we're a post genocidal society, and we haven't done the things you're supposed to do to recover from a genocide. there were millions of native people on this continent that were slaughtered by white settlers and we haven't talked about that. and it made us indifferent to the victim my zags of african-americans who were and we made up this ideology of white supremacy in america and we haven't confronted it. in south africa, they recognized it. recover from apartheid, there had to be reconciliation. in rwanda they can't recover from the genocide without talking about all of the damage. in germany, you go to a landscape of homes of people that were abducted during the
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holocaust. the germans want you to go to auschwitz and others and reflect on that history. and because of that, we have a different relationship than we would have had if they refused to own up to it. there's not a single place in this country where you can have an honest conversation about the history of lynching or the legacy of slavery. we have this landscape that is littered with the iconography of the confederacy which we romanticized. in my state of alabama, they celebrate jefferson davis' birthday as a state holiday. we don't even have martin luther king day, we have robert e. lee day. and this disconnect has got to be challenged if we're going to actually become a society that the presumption of dangerousness and guilt is not on the minds of so many people. >> brian stevenson, good to have you on. >> thank you very much.
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from race to gender, up next on "gps," hillary clinton will officially become the first woman to be a major party presidential nominee in american history. but what about the rest of women in the working world? how much gender bias still remains? and what can be done about it? a lot, it turns out.
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next week in philadelphia, the democratic party will make it official. hillary rodham clinton will become the nominee. it's a big crack in perhaps the tallest glass ceiling anywhere in the world. does that mean that gender bias is a thing of the past? not quite, my next guest will tell you. there's bias all over the working world. my next guest has made gender bias and how to get rid of it
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her life study. the results are fascinating and eye-opening. listen in. what we're trying to understand is the nature of gender bias. that is -- to people who aren't aware of or unsure that it exists, there's lots of data that suggests there's still a great deal of unconscious gender bias in the workplace. >> right. seeing is really believing. and if you don't see male kindergarten teachers or women ceos, for that matter, that's whereby yes, sir comes from. it does affect how we hire and evaluate job candidates, how we think about promotions, how we assign jobs, in all of those areas it can matter. >> you focus really on the solution.
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so one of the examples you give is that google found they were losing a lot of women, and they decided to investigate further. what did they find? >> so i think google is really exemplary in its use of data, and that is the first important message. and that is that we have to data inform our thinking, our decision making, our judgments and learn from them. so google did was kind of understand, why were these women leaving, and they learned it wasn't women per se, it was primarily young mothers who were leaving. so they increased not just leave for mothers, but also parental leave and that took care of the problem and women are now no more likely than men to leave. >> now when trying to understand gender bias, you talk about auditioning for orchestras, which seem to be a very simple test.
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but you said you could find gender bias there and there is a solution. >> in the '70s, they realized that only had 5% women. they introduced screens and they at auditions behind the screen, it turns out that dramatically decreased female musicians. we now have 40% of female musicians. and these screens played an important role. >> and these are people playing behind a black curtain so you couldn't tell whether the person behind the curtain was black, white or interracial? >> yes. we even asked them to remove their shoes so we couldn't see them entering the room. there's even tools now technology that allows organizations like yours and mine to blind themselves to the demographics of the job qualifications and that
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increases dramatically the representation of the underrepresented groups. >> you say there's data that suggests that women are more risk averse than men. what does that mean and what is the fix? because that tends to mean that they're less like think to succeed because they're not going to take as many risks. >> it turns out in terms of willingness to take risks, we literally have hundreds of studies suggesting that men are more willing to take risky bets and women are less likely to do so. >> so if you want to design an organization where you're taking the best, making the best use of men and women in various kinds of jobs, what would you do? >> i think that's exactly the approach you have to take, you have to benefit from 100% of the talent pool and we think how we advertise and how we evaluate and promote people. and that actually starts with job advertisements, we should take a very close look at the language that we use to describe
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the jobs. imagine a school looking for a new teacher, many schools then use words such as collaboration or support or empathy and warmth, which normally are associated with women. and research shows that this will actually increase the likelihood that women apply and decrease the likelihood that men apply. >> and if you were to try to get engineers, what is the job -- what would the words that are usually used in advertising? >> they are typically words that we associate with men. that include competitiveness, they include risk taking, they include leadership, assertiveness, so yes, exactly, the same is true for typically male jobs, we should use for neutral language to be inclusive of women who might consider
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applying for this job. >> do you think women are more likely to be attracted to jobs that talk about warmth and collaboration and empathy and men are more interested in jobs that talk about leadership and getting ahead. is this just how men and women think and let's try to get the biases out? >> i think we'll never have the answer to that question, we never know what part is nurture and what part is nature. there's certainly evidence that suggest that gender plays a very important role. when we compare scandinavian countries, they're not gone, but they're less prevalence. >> through these simple fixes you can achieve a more equal and productive environment in the workplace. >> and that's what i hope my data is proving, in fact. >> thank you for coming on. >> my pleasure. we made t-shirts!spread the,
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this week, theresa may, britain's new prime minister met with angela merkel, germany's chancellor. and there's now a chance as of january 20, 2017, three of the world's most important democracies will have female heads of government. it brings me to my question. in which of the following countries has a woman been head of government the longest over the last past century? iceland, india, united kingdom or bangladesh. stay tuned and we'll tell you the answers. this week's book of the week is an old favorite when i saw "hamilton." if you want more of a twist, read "gore vidal." burr lost the election to thomas jefferson, became vice president and then killed hamilton in a
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duel. it's fiction but based on careful research. and now for "the last look," being a police officer can be stressful. and the reason murders of officers in dallas and baton rouge have ratcheted up the tension even more, according to experts, all of the pressure and stress involved with being on the beat can contribute to tragic, misguided solutions but there might be a way to help prevent the stress of police work from leading to tragedy. meditation. police officers are meditating in on tear yeah, canada, he attempting to find common ground between zen and the art of policing. it's gaining traction in police forces from madison, wisconsin, to manchester, england. it could help release aggression
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because they can help cops to regulate their emotions and better respond to stress. a study outside of portland, oregon, found that officers participating in a mindfulness and meditation program showed significant improvement in emotional regulation and mental health. when we're talking about a community that wants to be treated fairly and unbiasly, lieutenant richard gerling told "the oregonian," mindfulness is the way to get there. the current prime minister for bangladesh raised eyebrows
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things to low turnout and the report points out that 50% of the countries have yet to elect a female head of state. thanks for being part of my program this week. i will see you next week. hello, everyone. i'm fredricka whitfield. this is home of the eagles, the flyers, 76ers and the phillies. you're watching cnn's special live coverage on the eve of the democratic national convention. the democrats are in crisis. just 24 hours before the start of their party's convention, breaking news this afternoon, dnc chairwoman debbie wasserman schultz will no longer preside over the convention. all major appearances by her have been scrapped.