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pence. reading from the statement, governor mike pence says if it is russia and they're interfering with our elections, i can assure you both the united states government will do everything to ensure that it ends. donald trump did not want to go that far. it seems to be it will be a new day in the white house when it comes to his policy with russia. he declined to say whether he would meet the nato amendment to with the balkan states to defend against russia. when prefssed, yes, he held a misuniverse pageant there. if he's elected president of the united states, he will have a different relationship with vladimir putin. have a different relationship with russia and a lost things are on the table including the nato commitments.
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i think the other bit of interesting news that came out at the end of this news conference when donald trump said shame on the people who are chanting "lock her up." that was the most popular chant at his convention. he seemed to say at the end of that news conference that he really did not agree with that sentiment at all. >> jim acosta at the courthouse that just wrapped up the press conference with donald trump. we have much more in philadelphia, pennsylvania. much more continues right now with john king. ♪ welcome to the special edition of "inside politics" i'm
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john king. live here for day three of the democratic national convention. we have a big day and night ahead. we already have a big night unfolding as donald trump disrupts campaign 2016. tim kaine speaks after he's nominated on the vice presidential spot on the democratic ticket. and as is president obama to gave him two big victories to turn out for hillary clinton come november. >> i think that i've got a clear-eyed sense of both her strength and her weaknesses. and what i would say would be, that this is somebody who knows, as much about domestic and foreign policy as anybody. >> but, before we get to the democrats here in this town of philadelphia, their convention city, the big event by donald trump out in florida. once again disrupting the campaign. with me here to share reports, molly ball of the atlantic.
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cnn's manu raju and jeff zeleny. trademark donald trump. he wants to get into the mix. what he said this past hour in florida while the democrats hold the convention. one of the big dramas here, they're calling it spy games. the dnc e-mail system was hacked embarrassing e-mails released, caused tension with bernie sanders. but the question is who did it, the dnc says it looks like russia did it and the accusation is putin somehow helping trump. at the news conference with trump, trump repeatedly denied any conversation, any reasons that russia would help him. listen to donald trump here, a candidate for president of the united states. remember, hillary clinton deleted some e-mails. they're missing. they haven't been recovered yet. donald trump says he hopes
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russia has 33,000 e-mails deleted from hillary clinton's e-mail server. >> russia, if you're listening, i think hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> i get the mischief back to here. if you're a private citizen, and you want to embarrass hillary clinton. but he wants to be president of the united states. this is potentially a state actor, the government of russia, hacking into an american political party, to meddle in a political campaign for whatever reason. and donald trump saying i hope you have more? >> if you let that soak in, that is amazing. this is the point where a presidential campaign becomes serious. both of these nominees will soon be getting intelligence briefings. they are the president in waiting. and to have a nominee say he hopes russia has access to these. these aren't just play e-mails. these are from the state department. i think that is extraordinary. he'll have to address that
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again. and his running mate mike pence is saying quite the opposite. >> yeah, that was a remarkable part. pence took a firmer line than donald trump. he released a statement saying we'll get to the bottom of this, this is very serious with national security. like hillary clinton did this morning when her aides came out and said this is a national security issue, not a political one. clearly, trump and his running mate are off message on this issue. >> and this is the kind of thing where the voters that have issues with him, thinking he's impulsive and not thinking through what heizati says, it's exactly things like this. i found it throughout the press conference, it was very repetitive, but found it defensive about what's been out there in the press. you know, the suggestion that donald trump would have wanted the attacks of the dnc. he's got a very fine line to walk here. and the hillary clinton campaign clearly will try to expose that. >> well, what we've seen whenever there's a fine line,
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trump tramples all over it. he doesn't really believe in fine lines. i mean, you know the nominee has issues when his own running mate is distancing himself from his position. the right thing, probably, for trump to be doing here, would be to paint all of the russia stuff as a conspiracy theory, distance himself from that and try to put the emphasis on the e-mails and the dnc. this does the opposite. he's not exactly bending over backwards to distance himself from the russia angle in all of this. he's publicly seeming to collude with russia. >> this is an issue that will probably continue to play out for the next several months of the campaign because democratic official, expecting more e-mails to come out. more e-mails come out, and trump is sort of cheering that it doesn't look good even if it's politically. >> hell kept saying throughout the press conference. i don't know putin. i know he's called me a genius but i have nothing to do with russia. there's a little bit of defense there. >> blend two things, the 30,000
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e-mails he's talking about are from the state department, from her private server. there's no conclusive evidence that that e-mail was hacked. the hacked e-mails are from the dnc. we know the ones that were hacked were from the dnc. he is kind of merging this and blending it all into one controversy. but a controversy all the same, on both sides now. >> potential president of the united states saying essentially, i hope, i hope they did because i'd like to see them and the press would like to see them. as opposed it's an outrage if they're meddling at all. in any event, whether a private business or state party. watch how this plays out but trump thinks this plays into something. donald trump was awatching last night. history was made in philadelphia. hillary clinton is the first major party candidate for president who say woman. she hopes to shatter the next glass ceiling and be the next
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president of the united states. donald trump was asked the question, he said that would be great just not this woman, he says. >> i would love to see a woman become president of the united states, but she would be so wrong. even woman say that, women don't like that. she would be so wrong. look, hillary clinton is a disaster. she's been a disaster. even the story told by her husband last night. he left out the most interesting chapter. i won't get into that. the chapter that i really waited for because it was pretty boring. the chapter that i waited for, i never heard. and he left it out. >> again, trademark trump. hillary clinton will be a disaster, and in his very personal testimony, in support of his wife last night, trump making the case he left out a chapter. we all know which chapter that is, that's the monica lewinsky, infidelity chapter. he says he wants a woman president. just not this one. >> you know when you do talk to
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a lot of voters there are republican women and other women who say the same thing. >> true. >> and other women i talked to the bernie sanders rallies saying aren't you drawn to the gender here? no, i'm not drawn at all. last night was an historic day, regardless what side of the aisle you sit on. people like nancy pelosi and other women are concerned about is there too much of an emphasis on gender here. the campaign is deciding to double-down on it. >> especially among younger women. >> right. >> a lot of younger women believe sometime in their lifetime there will be a female president. but older women, they've been waiting for this moment all along. >> it's interesting to see how the convention reactions and the double-down, that john was talking about. so many of those bernie sanders say, yeah, sure, i want a women
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president, but not this president, maybe jill stein, green party, because of trust issues. it's interesting also in his press conference, how trump, right before obama speaks tonight and biden was going on and on about how she's just more of the same. she's not a changemaker, trying to directly, you know, conflict with what bill clinton's speech was last night. >> and he also said that president obama is the most ig nornts president we've ever had. in his view, hillary clinton would be even worse. personal attacks on the president of the united states. another issue that came up, again, we're getting mixed signal, paul manafort, the republican campaign chairman was quoted as saying donald trump will not release his tax returns. he's been repeatedly pressed. the standard dating back to richard nixon, once you get close to the nomination, you release at least a series of tax returns over the past several
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years. donald trump has not done so. listen to him here. >> yes. i don't know, depends on the audit. depends on the audit. not a big deal. by the way, just so you understand, i've released my papers. 104 pages of documents. i built an unbelievable company. tremendous cash. tremendous company, with some of the great assets of the world. you've seen it, you were all very disappointed when you saw it, actually, but that's okay. far greater than anybody ever thought. i have a great company. i built an unbelievable company. but if you look there, you'll see there's nothing in russia. and as far as the tax returns, as soon as the audit is complete. >> this is his pivot every time. i filed the required financial disclosure form with the government. you heard him work in you'll see there's nothing in russia. some people tried to suggests maybe this whole e-mail hack and leak has something to do he has russian business interests or something. he says there's nothing there. but we don't know that.
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donald trump at least has released the financial disclosure form that does tell us something about his finances. it tells us what he has to tell us. it doesn't tell us which tax rate he pays. loopholes, shelters monies overseas. whether he takes advantage of all of these real estate tax credits that allow you to depreciate and not pay the government. >> and how that actually works, too. trump has clearly calculated whatever is in his tax returns is much more damaging than taking the hit for not being transparent. >> that's exactly right. there's no legal requirement that presidential nominees release tax returns but there's a widespread expectation. you see in polls, vast majority of americans, republicans and democrats alike believe they're entitled to that information. when you don't release the information, maybe you don't disclose those things, but you open yourself up to the speculation. you open yourself up to all the wondering what is in there that is so bad he won't let us see
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it. that's going to be a steady drum beat. that's going to continue. the clinton campaign is going to drive the message. >> the question is, does it matter? among his supporters, no, this is an issue. among voters in the middle who are still not sure about him, i think it does matter among his supporters, absolutely not. >> everybody sit tight, we're at the democratic national convention talking about the nominee donald trump. he's jumped in trying to counterprogram here what's happening in philadelphia. and the speech of the former commander in chief. and bill clinton making very personal testimony about his wife and making history. stay with us. what super poligrip does for me is it keeps the food out. before those little pieces would get in between my dentures and my gum and it was uncomfortable.
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welcome back. that's the convention hall here in philadelphia. lenny kravitz doing his walkthrough. he'll be one of the performers here at the democratic national convention. it is day three. we're at the halfway mark. lenny kravitz tuning his guitar. hillary clinton is now the democratic nominee. it came after a video reminders all 44 presidents so far from george washington to barack obama have been men. ♪ ♪
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>> that dramatic effect there, the presentation came shortly after the day two closer, bill clinton. >> so, people say, well, we need to change. she's been around a long time. she sure has. and she sure has been worth every single year he's put into making people's lives better. >> a very personal speech from bill clinton last night. he started the first meeting here back in the early 1970s at yale. went through their courtship. went through their life of service and change. and bill clinton listen here trying to make the point when you watch the republicans talk about hillary clinton, in his view, all a cartoon. >> and if there are any little girls out there who stayed up late to watch, let me just say, i may become the first woman president, but one of you is
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next. thank you, all, i can't wait to join you in philadelphia! thank you! >> we'll get back to bill clinton in a minute. a little out of order there. but hillary clinton, that's the first time she's spoke at the convention. she's been much more traditional. hillary clinton appearing by video. it looks very tight that she's alone in the room. then as she finishes, it pulls out to the little girls. she's trying to play this card and play hard. >> well, in 2009 she was not the nominee so she did not have the opportunity to play a video of crashing glass. we've seen hillary lean very hard into what trump calls the woman card. the selection we saw in that video it definitely resonated with people in that room. a lot of delegates on that floor, openly weeping and very emotional. a lot of the democratic party was built on some of the feminist movement from the '60s
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and '70s. the modern democratic party. so for these people, it's very poignant, homecoming. this did not resonate as much as hillary expected to do, it did not move especially a lot of younger women. her campaign realizes that. i think the other side of that coin is that trump is very disliked by women voters. so it will be interesting to see whether the sort of independent voters view this as overly polarizing by hillary. or whether trump's comments, you know, push them the other way. >> but also this week, they are playing this card so hard, this is when she needs to get all of the democrats excited about her campaign. one of the biggest problems she has is with white men, right? as we go into the fall campaign, if they can to continue to pound this message over and over again that could potentially hurt her. >> and to that point, it's
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interesting to hear earlier this week, when she talked to the veterans of foreign wars. some of you may be concerned about a woman being commander in chief. what is the theme of this convention? have we talked about her being someone who can handle national security, being tough on national security. clearly, they recognize there's a little bit of a risk. politically, they overplayed their hand on the gender. >> the story was very moving. bill clinton gave a very disciplined speech, the word "i" didn't pop in there much. donald trump calls her crooked hillary. in recent days, her middle name is rodham, hillary rotten clinton. >> how does this square, how does this square with the things that you heard at the republican convention?
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what's the difference in what i told you, and what they said? how do you square it? you can't. one is real. the other is made up. the real one had done more positive changemaking before she was 30 than many public officials do a lifetime in office. >> there's nobody like him. he's the premiere politician of his generation. he's the premiere explainer. even the obama administration said he did a great job. this is the needle he's trying thread here. that somebody you've seen in public life for two or three decades can effect change. brings newness to government, brings solutions to government. at the time when people are very frustrated. and trump brings up it's broken, she's the status quo. >> i think that was the theme. a lot of democrat it's in hall that i talked to afterward were hoping for a fulsome speech like
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he gave to president obama in 2012. some of were hoping he focused on the change. not biography. he's not her biographer. but he is trying to show she's been at this a while. on him making the argument it's a change. no one knows better than bill clinton. he reads the mood of the country. he reads the mood of the electorate. he knows donald trump has tapped into something. bill clinton was one of the first people early on who said do not take donald trump for granted and lightly, and it is because of that change thing. the problem is changemaker is not exactly a smooth and sexy term. it sounds like a machine at the car lot. >> how do you -- >> president obama is speaking on your baffle and essentially
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continuing all of obama's policies? >> you saw trump come back in the press conference saying she's been there 30 years, how can she possibly be a changemaker? she's just an extension of obama. that's going to be something that's interesting to watch for tonight in the presidency. because he's also threading a needle there, too. i do think that bill clinton was able to humanize his wife and talk about aspects of her biography, which really are not familiar to the american public. and particularly with those voters aren't sure that donald trump has issues with her. learning about early hillary, a long flowered skirt and what she was like as a young wife. i think that does help. >> and they don't know about her volunteering with children back in hospitals. perfect segway. you mentioned the speech coming up tonight from president obama. we'll give you a sense of what he's about to say about hillary clinton and what he's thinking
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welcome back, busy day, day three of the democratic national convention busy day at the cnn grill. agency president obama passes the torch, it's clear he wants to not only boost hillary clinton but also take issue with donald trump's tone in cleveland. >> i hope my headline is that the president of the united states is profoundly optimistic about america's future. and is 100% convinced that hillary clinton can be a great president. >> now, this is, in a way, payback time.
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hillary clinton worked hard for then senator obama back in 2008 after he won the nomination. and bill clinton, as we talked about a little earlier was a key player at the 2008 convention. and now as a performer, not a president. >> set aside the nuclear codes, what i think is scary is a president who doesn't know their stuff. and doesn't seem to have an interest in learning. what they don't know. >> and you think of trump that way? >> well, i don't -- i think -- if you listen to any press conference he's given or listen to any of those debates, basic knowledge about the world or what a nuclear triad is or where various countries are, or know the difference between sunni and shia in the muslim world, those are things that he doesn't know. and hasn't seemed to spend a lot
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of time trying to find out about it. >> this is delicious on so many levels. number one, it is a big moment. the president of the united states passing the torch, essentially, the leadership of his party, even though he's got a few months left in office to hillary clinton. and their relationship makes it all the more because they were rivals and they became colleagues and they're described by most as friends plus the trump thing is so personal with him because of the birthing movement and because of things hamming right now. i'm curious how the president handles it tonight. >> for obama, is this much more than paying back a favor, this is much more than checking the box, you did this for me, i'll do this for you. ever since the state of the union it's been clear that he regards trump and the things that trump has stirred up is a personal affront to his world view. that this dark and pessimistic
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view is say direct attack on everything he has stood for in politics. this is making the case for his legacy. this is making the case for the way he sees america so i think he's much more passionate and animated than he would be if it were simply she's my partner. i've got to do this for her. >> as president, expect very robust defense of things that he's about accomplishing. and hillary clinton can be one that can help. the clinton campaign, there's no reason that they're giving him the big stage it's the fact that his approval ratings are going up right now. over 50%. if he's healthy, that helps hillary clinton. it's very unusual for an incumbent president to have this kind of lime light this late in office. >> we know they do feel passionately about president obama right now. we know in his speech, he could be saying you could be throwing
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his away with donald trump. the gains that we've made under our presidency. particularly speaks to bernie sanders supporters, bernie or bust and are going to stay home. he's going to be one. most important players in getting those people out. i do think, you know, compared to bill clinton, the case that obama makes against trump, and the idea that he didn't listen and he doesn't understand. >> and that he doesn't care to understand. >> or that he doesn't care to understand. that is a case that no one can make better for hillary clinton than president obama who can talk about her being in the situation room with him and everything she's done as secretary of state. >> we get caught up in the day-to-day of this campaign and we should because it's an interesting campaign. but it was 12 years ago today, 12 years ago today, that a young senator, elected senator, barack obama stepped into the greatest city in the world, massachusetts at john kerry's convention. barack obama was unknown. john kerry gave him the keynote
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address and a star was born. >> there is not a black america and latino america, and asian america. there's the united states of america. the pundits -- the pundits like to slice our country into red states and blue states. red states for republicans, blue states for democrats, but i've got news for them, too. we worship an awesome god in the blue states. and we don't like federal agents poking around in our libraries in the red states. we coach little league in the blue states and yes, we've got some fans in the red states. >> i'm not picking on the president. the job takes wear and tear on you. he looks a lot older than 12 years now. >> he never should have won the
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nomination. at least no one in illinois thought he would. there was scandal during that race. but that's long before he had speechwriters. that's long before he had a team. it was he and his longtime spokesman at the time flying to boston overnight. he wrote that long speech. but, wow, 12 years i mean, no one would have assumed, i guess, that all of this would have happened so quickly. least of all him. he sort of ran for president on a lark. but, john, you're right, tonight completes the circle -- election day in november will totally complete it. hillary clinton now needs him as he needed her in a very big way. >> the question is, are people still listening to him, the people who found him so appealing at that moment. some have tuned him out but i think tonight is a moment to start seeing -- will they tune him out again? >> almost never happens in history. george h.w. bush was the last one, 1988, bill clinton was not
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welcome because of the lewinsky scandal but ronald reagan saying, we're the change. the same argument that bill clinton was making last night, you can have continuity and change. when we come back, spy gate. james bond movie. leaked e-mails, russia involved. new developments on that. you'll hear the president's take and more from donald trump in just a minute. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. (laugh) nice. doing the big things that move an economy. see you tomorrow, mac. see you tomorrow, sam. just another day at norfolk southern.
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welcome back "inside politics" live from the cnn grill in philadelphia. a new development we want to share with you that you may call the spy gate of the republican chairman. forced to resign after hacked e-mails showing among other things, headquarters biased against bernie sanders. also what makes it a case of
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intrigue is the mounting evidence that the hacking originated in russia. >> i know the experts have attributed this to the russians. what we do know is that russians hacked our systems. not just government systems, but private systems. but what the motives were in terms of leaks, all that, i can't say directly. what i do know is that donald trump has repeatedly expressed admiration for vladimir putin. >> that's the president's take there. many democrats here in philadelphia say this hack is proof the russian president vladimir putin is meddling in america's election, trying to help donald trump. >> i don't know about this particular dump of e-mails, but we do know that this is the modus operandi of russia.
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vice president biden went on to say. >> let's bring back in donald trump. he has a press conference in florida he was asked several questions about this. donald trump says he's got nothing to do with this. he doesn't speak to vladimir putin. he doesn't coordinate with russia. he has no idea what happens. but the man who wants to sit in the oval office said, russia, if you have these dnc e-mails, maybe you have something else. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> by missing, by missing, he means deleted. some e-mails deleted from hillary clinton's private e-mail server. not democratic national committee e-mails. he said you'll be rewarded mightily by the press. i hope you have them.
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he wants to be president of the united states. that's like saying i hope you hacked into a democratic server, private server, her server, too. and that you have them. and said the press will reward you. he also said in another part of the press conference, i'd love to see them. of manu, he's tweeted something. whether we see that as a double-down? >> he said if russia or any other country has hillary clinton 30,000 deleted e-mails, perhaps they should share them with the fbi. a little walkback, but still not striking the same tone as his running mate. and paul ryan his spokesman put out a statement calling russia a global menace. calling putin a devious thug and that russia should stop meddling in the election. clearly a much different tone. >> and i think when donald trump made that statement in the last hour, he once again seems to have almost broken the internet?
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all over twitter, people are talking about that one statement, his critics saying, he's talking about treason, going on and on, again it will be another conversation today about what his qualifications are to be commander in chief. and whatever he thinks about what he says. >> he talked ultimately about russia hacking into maybe the democratic party. maybe hillary clinton's server. doesn't condemn it, doesn't call it espionage. you're right. mike pence his running mate said there will be serious consequences. you mentioned paul ryan -- donald trump said i like putin. i want to get along better with putin. the clinton campaign thinks this is an outrage? >> jay silverman says this has to be the first time that a major political candidate has encouraged a major power, this is foreign policy and national
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security. it's kind of a hilarious statement. you can ear the exasperation. what do they even say? this is so ridiculous and out of left field, it's almost difficult to -- >> now, you have newt gingrich coming out on twitter to defend trump, saying the media seems more upset by trump's joke about russian hacking than by the fact that hillary's personal server was vulnerable to russia. again, trying to steer the conversation back. >> let me just -- it's a very serious issue that her server was vauulnerable. her ratings have taken a hit because the fbi director said she was careless. it is a dead serious issue how she handles the server. but a man who wants to be commander in chief. he did not say i want you to do this, encouraging them, but saying if you did it, you've got
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it, i'd like to have them. >> and i think what's going to happen is going to winds its way into a speech in the next 48 hours at the convention. a fact that the statement from jay was incredulous but they want people to take this seriously. democrats, they want people to take what donald trump is saying -- >> everyone is saying it's reckless for donald trump to say, russia, i hope you have them. we're having that conversation right now, should a man who wants to be president of the united states be talking, okay, great, you got them. but also, you heard the president and vice president saying, well, russia hacks into our system. and they're sort of insinuating that somehow this is to benefit donald trump or cahoots with donald trump, that's a little bit over the line too, is it not? >> it is. there's no proof of that. >> this is like weapons of mass destruction, and the missing weapons back in 2004 with john
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kerry. >> and democrats have a political motive, they want to change the conversation from what's in the e-mails that russia may be doing this. it's critically beneficial to make the debate about russia. >> or the fact that that she had a private server. there's a lot going on here. it sounds like a issue of "computer world." "a," if you written this script, they'd laugh you out of the room. next, the first the result of our "inside politics" question, we asked you if you think clinton will be able to win over sanders supporters? 69% said yes. 31%, i don't think so.
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let's go down the row here, with our great reporters to share something from their notebooks. molly ball. >> debbie wasserman schultz finally ousted as claire of the dnc. some wonder if there are more shoes to drop inside of the dnc. if some of the staffers are implicated in those e-mails might also face consequences if there's going to be house cleaning now that donna brazile is in charge. most people expect her since she's widely trusted to stay on during the election. so much of it was a personal promotional vehicle, they would like to see new staff brought in. now that hillary clinton is in charge, being the official nominee, she has the power to do that. >> the drama will build up. a shake-up. manu. >> illinois politics my home state for this wednesday, senate
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minority w.h.i.p., dick durbin, i talked to him this morning. he is not ruling out a run for governor in 2018. he said he's downplaying, i'm just worried about the senate races this year. i want to make sure democrats retain the senate. help hillary win the white house. but now steadfastly taking that off the table. they want him to run. if it's in republican hands perhaps he can flip it in 2018. one thing he told me how his leadership race will be impacted come the fall. he may be challenged for that number two spot by senator patty murray of washington state. he's not ruled that out if she does challenge him, perhaps he may decide to run for governor instead. >> there's no place at home. >> john earlier this week, telling us about the bus tour that hillary clinton is going to do art campaign. but what's really interesting here is this is going to be hillary on offense.
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she's going through four city, philly, pittsburgh, youngstown and columbus. the key is how she's going to focus on those rural areas where the reagan democrats are. hillary clinton is going to work on with those and connect that trump is not ready to be commander in chief and not cede that territory to him. >> 200 days, a lot of time on a bus. we won't see donald trump on a bus. >> he is finally with her. after the roll call of votes, at that moment, looking into his eyes, it was clear this is the moment but now i'm told by his advisers he really is, he's going to actively campaign as hard as he can. this is why a clinton loss is now a sanders loss. he has joined in with this here.
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if he wants to influence a democratic white house he needs in there. one sign i saw last night "i love bernie, that's why i will fight for her." not many, but one. >> if you follow donald trump's feed or watched this news conference the last hour you know he doesn't think much of the program in philadelphia. inside team trump actually give the democrats an "a" for effort but they predict the strategy unfold will go not work. they think one great bill clinton speech will not be enough to erase hillary clinton's negative rating. and they also think president obama is making a mistake when he tries to think trump law and order is over the top. see you back here tonight from the hall tonight. our coverage begins next with wolf.
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