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have burst into flames before crashing into a field. this happened before 8:00 a.m. local time. investigators are making their way to the scene right now and we hope to have cameras there in the vicinity as well to give you a better idea about what happened in the location in which it happened. texas governor greg abbott has released the statement saying in part our thoughts and prayers are with the victims and their families as well the community. the investigation into the cause of this tragic accident will continue and i ask all of texas to join us in praying for those lost, end quote. cnn is covering this angle from -- this story from every angle. with me now is cnn aviation analyst who is joining us on the phone. i also want to bring in a former faa and aviation official with the department of justice. so first sara, to you, in terms of information we're learning the circumstances of this happening, what do we know? >> we're still learning a lot
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here. what we do know is this, the ntsb has launched a team. many of those members deployed from washington, d.c. and two investigators happened to be in texas at the time and they are on route to the scene. the faa is investigating. they're sending people to the scene as well. this happened just before 8:00, about 7:40 a.m. local time. the sheriff's office has said they were responding to calls for a possible vehicle accident on this road that you see here in this photograph and it turns out when they made it to the scene they realized it was actually a hot air balloon basket that was on fire. it's unclear if it was on the road or in the pasture near the road but when they got to the scene that is what law enforcement found. they found a large hot air balloon basket on fire in this area. they now say they do not believe that there are any survivors, at
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least 16 people may have perished in this crash according to the faa. i want to give you a little context here. it seems like a lot of people and a lot of people -- a large hot air balloon. this is a very popular tourist and sporting activity, hot air ballooning. before this 2013 was the last -- was the last -- is really quite frankly the last time there was so many people injured or killed in a hot air balloon accident in egy egypt. 19 people were killed when a hot air balloon also caught fire. also before that in australia in 1989 13 people were killed when two hot air balloons collided in australia. generally this is considered a safe form of flight but as we all know things carry risks and
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any time you're in the air there is a possibility for something tragic like this to happen. >> all right. sara, thank you so much. renee with us. the ntsb is leading this investigation. we understand the faa also part of it. how do the two work together in this kind of tragedy. >> reporter: well, i can tell you that i just got off the phone with one ntsb official who will be deploying from washington, d.c. at this point they are still working to get more information and probably won't know much more beyond what we know now until they actually get on the ground and their number one priority, both the faa and ntsb when they get on the site there, they're going to want to look at the evidence, take a look at the debris field potentially where this hot air balloon went down. we do know that the ntsb in the past has investigated hot air balloon incidents but this one seems to be on a different magnitude here, a larger
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magnitude. we're talking about 16 people who lost their lives. once investigators get there, they're going to break off in teams and the focus will be several areas. they'll want to try and find out exactly what caused this crash, what went wrong and that is the primary role of the safety investigators, particularly the ntsb. if it was a mechanical issue with the hot air balloon or was this pilot error. they will want to look into the maintenance of this hot air balloon, things of that sort, quite similar to how they would go about any other aviation investigation but first the priority is to get on scene, collect the evidence, document the scene, which photos, if there is any video out there they'll want to get their hands on that, they'll want to talk to witnesses and then they'll begin this process of piecing together
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the story of what led to this crash because again that is their primary concern and hoping that if there is an issue with this particular balloon, making the safety recommendations that are necessary to prevent such a deadly accident again. >> okay. and mark is back with us, a former faa official and aviation official with the department of justice. so mark, when the sheriff's office puts out a statement telling what they know, including that the 16 people are all presumed to be dead, it also spells out that it believes that the fire took place in the basket portion of the hot air balloon. what does that information tell you in the initial stages of what we have since learned. >> i think probably in some respects very little. the role of the first responders here, whether it's the police or the fire department a, in the ce
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of the police it's to secure the scene and make sure everything remains intact. the first responders from the fire department is to control any fire and with survivors to control that. but to originated and how it original natd. the police are not going to be doing that investigation and to the extent they do they're going to be assisting at the request of the ntsb. the ntsb has sent a team from washington and they'll be accompanied by faa officials as well. the ntsb will include the operator and manufacturers and so forth and the very first thing they're going to do when they arrive and it will likely be later this afternoon or early this evening is have an organizational meeting because the scene is going to be intact and it's going to be preserved. the local law enforcement will have people there to make sure that's the case, nothing's
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removed, and they're going to organize themselves because the ntsb is very expert at this and as renee points out they're going to treat this like any other aviation accident. they'll look to see whether or not the burner or the fuel source, the propane malfunctioned in some way, did they strike power lines which think i've heard some reports there were high tension power lines in the vicinity. exactly what happened. they will build this over as much time as is necessary in order to get the correct answer. the ultimate goal is to ensure that whatever occurred here does not repeat itself on a going forward basis. >> so mark, as these investigations go on the sale of hot air balloons when you hear 16 people on board is that considered a large hot air balloon, medium, very small, and does that effect or impact the way the investigation is carried out? >> that's really a good question. i think all of us have probably
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seen at one some time or other the footage on your channel, your network and on tthers as o the gatherers and those are usually small baskets with two, three people in them. a 16 person basket is quite a large balloon in terms of the passengers and number of people but in terms of the way the investigation is conducted, it really doesn't have any effect because we really have to recognize that the ntsb and the faa investigate aviation accidents from one person on board, a small aviation accident to jumbo jets. so it's really a function of taking that same investigative process, those procedures and breaking them down and looking at this like in effect -- i don't mean to minimize it any way any other aviation accident and i think that's when we can expect and i think it's
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certainly far more likely than not that we're going to have answers. >> yeah. all right. thank you so much all of you. appreciate it. >> so again, 16 people dead in a hot air balloon crash in texas. we'll continue to follow this story throughout the hour. stay with us. we'll be right back. you stay up. you listen. you laugh. you worry. you do whatever it takes to take care of your family. and when it's time to plan for your family's future, we're here for you. we're legalzoom, and for over 10 years we've helped families just like yours with wills and living trusts. so when you're ready, start with us. doing the right thing has never been easier. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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this breaking news out of the texas, at least 16 people dead after a hot air balloon crashes into a fid. this is video from the scene. as you can see it a remote area. witnesses say the balloon burst into flames before crashing. this happened in the city of lockhart northeast of san antonio. investigators are making their way to the scene and of course we'll update you as soon as we learn more. now turning to the presidential race. hillary clinton and tim kaine are in the midst of a three-day battle ground bus tour as they look for a post-convention
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bounce. this hour they are arriving in johnstown pennsylvania before heading to ohio but with just 101 days until the general election the campaign is combatting a major cyber security breach. the fbi and justice department are investigating a data hack. it's believed to be similar and maybe to two hacks days ago. wickileaks reported party strategies. officials say there is strong evidence that breach came from russian hackers. let's bring back our panel. we have ohio's former senate minority leader and a republican strategist and donald trump surrogate and a libertarian
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commentator. >> boris, you first. your thoughts on this before we get to the cyber security issue the three day bus tour for clinton to woo those voters. >> it's going to be a fail. clinton has been a job killer her whole career as was her husband bill clinton. nafta killed 700,000 jobs and the tpp would kill millions and millions of jobs which she's in favor of the tpp even though she's been lying about it. her close friends said hillary clinton is in favor of the tpp. those blue collar workers know better. as far as tim kaine is concerned when he came to office in virginia unemployment was at 3% and when he left it was 7%. contrast with mike pence in indiana. unemployment is at about 4%. who is better?
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trump. >> so clinton and kaine are demonstrating that they want to work for this kind of support. they're digging in, going into the trenches and trying to appeal to people who have already expressed or many voters who have expressed that clinton is not the person they want to vote for. so how strategic is this? i mean she is not presuming that this is is going to be an easy coast. >> hillary clinton and the clinton campaign along with their running mate and tim kaine are taking absolutely nothing for granted. later today they will be right outside of my home community at east high school in youngstown ohio. this is ground zero for our working class blue collar democrats who have -- >> i remember when we talked during the ohio primary you talked about that being very favorable to bernie sanders and
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how it's super important to appeal to that audience there, perhaps the clinton campaign was listening to you and that's where they're heading. >> i don't know about that. it doesn't take a rocket signist to recognize that northern ohio is the bell weather. they're not taking anything for granted and what we need to look at is whether you are a bernie sanders supporter feeling you are left without a man without a country or a democrat that crossed over for donald trump in the primary, you really need to think hard about the contrast between the democratic platform and the republican's platform. there could not be starker contrasts and differences and they were exhibited i think very much and very el consequently between the differences of the republican national convention and the democratic national convention. if democrats care about maintaini maintaining environmental
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justice and social justice, the bottom line is democrats have a stronger track record fighting for working families than republicans ever have and i'm very fair to republicans but this is really -- this is a by naer choice and if folks go out and vote for a third-party or stay at home or they skip voting for president of the united states, particularly my democratic friends you're going to end up with the republican no different than our rauf nader voters. >> that's koo a koou to you. >> we have a lot of power. we usually been houfd within the republican party. >> how open would libertarian voters be to this effort of
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clinton and kaine heading to those locations, trying to appeal to people on the economy, on a resurgery ens of jobs, equal pay. >> right. i think it will be -- pennsylvania and ohio is where everybody goes. those are the swing states. pennsylvania was described to me one time as pittsburgh on the west, philadelphia on the east and alabama in between. it is a state maybe trump can win. there's a lot of diseffected people in those parts that feel like washington's betrayed them and trump speaks for them. >> on the issue of cyber security and the ties of russian counterparts and whether the u.s. and donald trump has been complicit or encouraged it. >> i don't think so. i think debbie wasserman schultz had problems with e-mails and hillary clinton has had problems with the e-mails. trump i don't think has a
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problem with them stealing his ideas. all you have do with trump is wait on the next speech. >> boris. >> i appreciate the jokes but this is a serious matter. the election is a serious matter. we're not here to joke around. what we're here to do is to make a decision and frankly the decision for the libertarian party is a little bit of a distraction. those voters should come out and concentrate on the choice. those are buzz words about what the democrats have done. we have 1.2% gdp growth in the second quarter. the first quarter we were down to 0.8% gdp growth. that's terrible. that's about one-third of what economists expected. the democrats are horrible in the economy. they're terrible at bringing jobs to the working class people. those folks need to look at the
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last eight years and ask themselves if there are hundreds of millions of people that are out of jobs. they need to be worried about what the next four years will bring. >> i thought we were talking about cyber security. that being the concern -- >> i got to respond to boris and i have to remind folks that george w. bush we were losing 800,000 jobs a month towards the end of his tenure. he had such high high debt due to one of the largest entitlement expansions. >> we're going to leave it right there. 101 days to go. thank you so much. appreciate it. tomorrow jake tapper will interview tim kaine. watch that tomorrow morning, 9:00 a.m. eastern here on cnn and we'll be right back. group. .
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donald trump and hillary clinton will soon begin receiving intelligence briefing despite each party saying the other candidate is not worthy of receiving such information. both candidates expressing a lot
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of mistrust here. >> reporter: the white house chief of staff called both of the transition teams for these candidates on friday letting them know they're invited to start attending preparation sessions to give them an idea of how complex running the federal government really is but at the same time they told them that both hillary clinton and donald trump are eligible to start receiving these intelligence broo briefings, getting information from the department of intelligence and not everybody is happy about that. leadership from both parties is saying that for various reasons they think the opponent's candidate simply can't be trusted with this kind of information. >> it's obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about. it's obvious he can't control his mind or his tongue. and what i've suggested is now because he's been nominated for the party and he gets his -- the briefings from the cia i said give him fake briefings, don't
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tell him anything that you don't want to get out. >> reporter: paul ryan took it one step further, the speaker of the house sent a letter to the director telling him because of the situation with then secretary of state clinton's e-mail sever, he didn't think that she deserved to get these briefin briefings. over obviously the director is telling them both candidates are going to get this information. not just the candidates, vp running mates, mike pence and tim kaine will both receive this as well. the one bit of solace maybe for ryan and reid is this is broad classified information. no really sensitive information will come to either candidate until after the election and they become the president elect. >> all right. thank you so much. we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of texas where a hot air balloon crash has left 16 dead. it's the deadliest hot air
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a hot air balloon has crashed in television killing 16 people. this makes it the most deadliest crash since 2013. witnesses say the balloon burst into flames before crashing into a field. all of this happening just before 8:00 a.m. local time. we are joined by ed on the phone in route to that location. ed, this is south of austin, texas, north of san antonio. what do you know about this hot air balloon.
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was it part of a big group or this individual balloon on its own? what do we know. >> reporter: that's what we're trying to figure out right now but we now faa officials are telling us there were 16 people on board the basket of the hot a balloon caught fire and there are no survivors. she sheriff's deputies got calls to a fire and when they arrived they said what was on fire was the basket. so we know that investigators are on the way, including ntsb investigators that are responding to this call and will begin that investigative process. so a lot of questions of how this could have happened but no real clues or determinations yet. it's early on in all of this. >> then i know you're on route, but is there anything that you've learned about that area? we were looking at the fields
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there, what may be a type of farm-like community, but it's unclear from -- i actually do see livestock back there so a farm in this location where this went down. do you know anything more. >> yeah, lockhart is a town about a 35 minute drive southeast of austin, texas. that area between austin and san antonio that's near lockhart is popular weekend excursions. i know there a lot of people that go out to these kind of areas and do sky diving and these types of things on the weekends. so this is kind of a -- definitely a very popular area, especially this time of year, for these types of weekend excursi excursions. so the fact this was going on obviously not very shocking by any means. this is very typical and very popular kinds of activities for
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this area this time of year. >> all right. we'll check back with you as you are in route to lockhart, texas there. the scene of this hot air balloon crash, 16 people dead there. we'll be right back. play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" playing) play it again. (selena gomez's "kill 'em with kindness" restarts) play it again. (announcer vo) however you use your data, verizon has the best deal. now, get four free samsung galaxy phones, four lines, and 16 gigs for only $150. switch to verizon now for the best deal on america's best network. only on verizon.
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welcome back with the conventions behind us now, the 101 day march to the election is under way. hillary clinton and tim kaine are in the midst of a three-day
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bus tour of battle ground dance as they look for a bounce out of the philadelphia convention. they are cris crossing pennsylvania before heading to ohio. brianna keeler is on that bus tour and joins us live on the phone. what kind of reception have they received when they made their stops? >> reporter: we're still waiting to go to this first stop. today in pennsylvania there was a very good reception for hillary clinton. but we're on our way to johnstown, pennsylvania where she's going to tour a manufacturing facility. this is really -- this is a stop that's really il lust rative of what she's trying to do. she's trying to target white blue collar workers in western pennsylvania and ohio. johnstown is a place that has frequently gone democratic in presidential elections but in 2012 barack obama lost it. so she's trying to put that back in her column and she's going to do that by talking about jobs, talking about economic
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prosperity for all americans and trying to make donald trump out as an enemy of the middle class, probably stretching some of his outsourcing in a place where that's a dirty word. >> thank you so much on the bus tour with clinton and kaine. meantime donald trump and hillary clinton gave the most important speeches of their political careers at their respective party conventions. each one laced with attacks and appeals to voters but both tried to underscore one central theme that they are the best person to tackle the problems facing this country. >> nobody knows the system better than me. which is why i alone can fix it. >> americans don't say i alone can fix it, we say we'll fix it
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together. >> will those promises resonate with voters in the general election. to breakdown the speeches i'm joined a republican strategist and director of the victory and a long time speech writer for hillary clinton dating back to 1993. good to see you as well. critics of donald trump's residences speech say it was too dark, while hillary clinton is accused of painting too rosy of a picture. listen. >> the problems we face now, poverty and violence at home, war and destruction abroad, will last only as long as as we continue relying on the same politicians who created them in the first place. >> he wants us to fear the future and fear each other. well, you know a great
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democratic president franklin roosevelt came up with the perfect rebuke to trump more than 80 years ago during a much more perilous time, the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. >> adam, you first. donald trump has already said no more mr. nice guy. so it seems that that's the inference that he will continue on with this kind of strategy. what does he find this is beneficial to him? >> i actually went to both conventions. it's story telling 301. on one hand you have donald trump that says we need a return to reality and getting a grip we have a shrinking middle class, a much more dangerous world. hillary clinton's message was entirely different. here's was a return to the days of jfk. everything is great, nothing to worry about, including the refer
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enss from former president bill clinton trying to suggest that he and hillary fit in little house on the prayie. what it really comes down to is bottom line, is donald trump is saying this is a referendum on the system that has let us down. i think hillary clinton in the last four days made it very clear she sees this as a referendum on donald trump. >> it sounds like you're saying people have essentially made up their minds already based on what we've already seen in donald trump and hillary clinton. so lisa, if that is indeed the case, when clinton's bus which says stronger together rolls across the country saying this unity is important, is she really just speaking to the choir or is it likely she is speaking to the voters who undecided or are trump supporters and maybe she can
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convince them to the other side so to speak? >> well let me first say that i agree with adam on one thing and that's if you watch both conventions or were at both conventions you say very opposed views of the world and the future of this country and i would dispute however in making this point. hillary is not just about cam lot and retreating from long gone past. she's laid out a vision for the future. it is grounded in the history and values of this country. that's what stronger together is about, that what she cares about and she's how she's seen progress and described progress that we've made from the time of the founders who were under greater duress than we are now and at every stage we've made progress it's been we've been stronger together. it's a powerful message about the values and history of this country and i think that's where she departs almost 100% from donald trump who basically is about fearmongering and he can
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is the only one that can fix it. >> it's all lost in translation too because donald trump says this is not fear and loathing. he says he's being realistic. >> she certainly did not paint an entirely rosy picture. if you listen to her speech carefully there's a lot of acknowledgment of the pain, the severe pain that people are feeling in this country, the economic pain and anxiety that goes with a very fast changing world. with coming out of an economic recession and coming out of a lot of challenges we face in addition to the threats of terrorism. so she's not suggesting everything is perfect by any stretch. what she is saying is that we have to be stronger together to get through all these challenges. we can't do it by being divided, by being hateful of one another and not relying on one another. >> you're shaking your head a lot but if donald trump is indeed tapped into the anger and most people agree that's what is happening here, why is it that
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anger doesn't want to hear about hope or promise? >> i think hope and promise come in the form of getting things to work again. i actually take exception with what is said. we have a country few researchers said that americans are dissatisfied the way things are going. they have a real trust problem with hillary clinton and anything she says. at the convention i think it could be argued she was very strong on chich as but very weak in terms of what she's going to do that's different than president obama. remember, bill clinton said a dozen times or more that his wife, hillary clinton, will be a change maker. okay. let's take that on face value. what is she going to change. what doesn't she like? isn't that a rebuke of president obama. >> isn't she say build on progress that has come from the obama administration. she did say that. >> it's interesting the progress is hard to measure when you look
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at the increasing economic distress this approximate thin >> she gave a few examples of americans who have health care to disabled children who have benefits that didn't before and even in terms of federal workers women who are getting just as much pay as men. >> is she owning up to that, does she own up to having any responsibility for any of that or is she simply going to start over again using obama legacy from eight years which her story line is i will continue what president obama started for the next eight years. i don't think that's where america wants to go and i think she has to have a change message with bernie sanders but she's failed. >> on that message might that be a fault of hillary clinton's that some people say they don't want a continuation and for her to say and promise that will be a continuation is translated
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into more of the same? >> last time i checked and i think probably you checked barack obama was pretty popular right now so i don't think that's the best measure. it's what are we going to do for the future. i want to point autoout a distinction between hillary clinton and donald trump and that's their character. one of the great lines of that speech provided by a wonderful guy, a former clinton speech writer, is this man can be baited with a tweet. do we want that person with their hands on the nuclear code. that's an important question because if you don't have the temperament and you're not cool and calm and composed under pressure this is probably not the job for you. >> we're going to leave it right there. we've got 101 days. lots of talk still to do. thank you so much. appreciate it. hillary clinton and tim kaine are expected to arrive in
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johnstown, pennsylvania very soon on the bus. we'll take you to that event as it happens live. coming up. if legalzoom has your back.s, over the last 10 years we've helped one million business owners get started. visit legalzoom today for the legal help you need to start and run your business. legalzoom. legal help is here.
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welcome back, we're following two breaking news stories right now. you're looking at live pictures out of lockhart, texas where 16 people have been killed in a hot air balloon crash. that's on the left hand side of
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the screen ntsb expected to speak at any moment. on the right side of the screen, now full screen, johnstown, pennsylvania, where hillary clinton and tim kaine are expected to speak as they continue their three-day bus tour for swing state voters. it has been a very busy week of history and hurdles particularly for the democratic party. dnc chair debbie wasserman-schultz stepping down after e-mails were leaked that seemed to reveal a pro-clinton -- a florida lawyer trying to wrestle away her congressional seat is getting a lot of new donations now. tim conoba's grass roots campaigned pulled in 260,000 since she resigned. she resigned from the chair post of the dnc but still very much a
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congress woman and seeking re-election. so tim, good to see you. welcome back to the program. your challenging wasser man schultz from her congressional seat. given all that's happened this week with her position, with her resignation of that chair, this s shifted your campaign. >> it has shifted the campaign to some degree, we already were well placed and built up a very good field operation. but we have the wind in our sails you can say. it's been a sad sight to see her meltdown but she brought her trouble upon herself and i think folks see this has been the tip of the iceberg. she's been looking out for the interest of her big donors and big money interest and been neglecting the interest of people on the ground in south florida. on issue after issue. >> and so we have invited her to join us to defend her position, especially given the remarks and
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krit criticism that you're givid our invitation is out there hopefully she can join us this weekend. meantime, how are you planning your campaign? what's your strategy this point forward, particularly as you are receiving more donations now? how do you use that to your advantage? >> you're not the only one whose invited debbie wasserman schultz, i've been inviting her to debate me for three months and they keeps dodging debates but be that as it may, our campaign is taking off regardless of whether there are debates or not. we're using the resources to communicate with the voters. i have a lot of folks say i should go to philadelphia during the convention and chase the media spotlight the way my opponent often does. and we stayed right here on the ground. i've been on the ground for the last eight months without fail and we've been meeting voters every day and communicating. we have four field offices,
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great field operation and we're gaining a lot of grounds on her every day. >> many have called this the year of the outsider. you're considered an outsider as well. you tweeted earlier in the week saying this dws is the corporate machine politician, it's time to shake up congress. but what are you offering to voters based on the fact that you are an outsider, that you feel you're qualified to challenge her as it pertains to this duty of public service to the constituents there in florida. >> she is the insider, her whole career has been in politics after college. she went straight into politics and never done anything else for a living. i've been a lawyer, law professor for years and worked on capitol hill and i'm an outsider, don't take any corporate money and we raised $2.5 million in small contributions with an average contribution size of $17. meanwhile, she's taking a lot of
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big money for companies that have contributed so heavily to the environmental disaster we see unfolding in florida sea shores with the blue green algae tide killing the sea life and threaten our drinking water. she's also taken a lot of big money from wall street banks and pay day lender and been pushing interest of pay day lenders that prey on very vulnerable people charging them over 300% interest rates. so on issue after issue, we're with the people and she's with the big corporations and that's resonating in the district. >> tim canova, thank for your time. again we extend our invitation to debbie wasserman schultz to defend her record and respond to the criticism that you are giving today, our invitation continues to be extended. thanks so much. >> thank you for having me on. i appreciate it. >> we're continuing to follow the breaking news out of texas as well where hot air balloon crash has left 16 dead. we're expecting an update from the ntsb at any moment. stay with us. they think that it's sad.
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hello again, thank you so much for joining me. we want to take you straight to texas right now and this ntsb presser on this hot air balloon crash killing 16. >> also requested on a longstanding relationship with
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the federal bureau of investigation, we've asked the fbi's evidence response team out of san antonio to come and assist us with scene documentation. this is a normal practice for the ntsb in events that are classify as major accidents and that's what this case is. i'll take one or two questions. again, i'm just here to tell you we are performing a stakedown until the rest of the team arrives later tonight. >> what is the company? is the heart of texas balloon company ride? >> that is my understanding, sir, we've been so busy at the scene, i have not addressed that. >> can you confirm the number 16 dead? >> right now we have a number of fatalities. >> can you give us a range of what happened? >> i cannot. >> the ntsb will provide factual information through as the investigation begins full bore tomorrow when the rest of the team is here. [


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