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states and moments ago in pennsylvania, trump saying if clinton wins that state it's because she cheated. here are the polls that we have right now. trump down 14 points in colorado. 13 points in virginia. nine points in north carolina. that state mitt romney won four years ago and down five points in florida which is trump's second home. that makes seven state polls that show trump lagging and he hasn't been on top of a national poll since before the democratic convention. dana bash begins our coverage out front and, dana, we've heard donald trump say the system is rigged before and moments ago and we'll get back that piece of sound in just a moment and we'll play it and the only reason hillary clinton would win the state of pennsylvania is if she cheated. >> reporter: we stopped in our tracks listening to him say that because just as you said, erin, we certainly have heard him talk about the system being rigged and seeming to lay the groundwork for maybe some voter irregularity ands this takes it to a whole new level saying if
she wins it's because she cheated and also saying she can't beat us talking specifically, it seems about pennsylvania where he is right now. and the only way she can beat us, i mean, is if in certain portions of the state she cheats. so that's, again, raising these -- the, i wouldn't say allegations, but the potential of allegations to another level and a little bit of context here, pennsylvania, which is what he's talking about right now, has gone democratic for the past several election cycles. so if it goes to hillary clinton that is just in keeping with the political trends that we have seen, and so you know, it would be pretty hard for him to argue that there's cheating going on unless, of course, he does have proof and put this in the column on the list, really, really long list of things that donald trump is saying that most many, i would say all other politicians wouldn't do. >> so he's in a crucial swing
state tonight when he's obviously talking about pennsylvania, and with the polls though, that i was just going through and seven in one week all of which have him behind in very important state, why is he spending his weekend in states that are not in play, right? he's going to places like connecticut. >> he is. he's going to connecticut tomorrow and holding a rally there. connecticut has not gone red. it has been in a blue column since 1988. i asked why he's going there and the answer is that he'd do well in connecticut and he has messages that can resonate from there and he's from neighboring new york and republicans outside the campaign, though, erin, i talked to say i don't get it. why is he spending time there and it makes a whole lot more sense for him to spend time in pennsylvania even though the polls are not looking great there for him, and other real, legitimate battleground swing states, and i think that this connecticut example is just one
of several that have republicans who really are still hoping donald trump can turn his campaign around scratching their heads. it's not just about the travel, but it's also about the fact that he has now amassed a pretty substantial war chest and hasn't spend any money on tv ads. $64 million, i believe, he raised just in july and hillary clinton spent $40 million as the general election has begun and he spent nothing in the trump campaign that got a strategy and they're not going to share it with us and that they feel that they can employ it when they are preparing, but a lot of people are getting extremely worried and that's separate from the messaging. this is just on the ground game and on the nuts and bolts. >> all right. dana, thank you very much. in the middle of all of this, trump is still trying to clarify what he meant when he said president obama is the founder of isis. jessica schneider was with him at an earlier rally in pennsylvania and she's out front. >> donald trump trying to
clarify his comments about president obama and isis. >> i said the founder of -- obviously, i'm being sarcastic. then, but not that sarcastic, to be honest with you. so i said the founder of isis and in fact, very soon he's going over to pick up his most valuable player award. did i say that? right? i say it all the time. so they knew i was being sarcastic. >> that after trump repeatedly insisted thursday that the president was the founder of the terrorist organization. >> i call president obama and hillary clinton the founders of iceis. >> you meant that he created the vacuum and lost the peace. >> no, he's the founder of isis. >> he's not sympathetic to them. he hates them and he's trying to kill them. >> i don't care. he's the founder. >> he wanted to rapidly pull troops out of iraq including the 2011 interview on cnn. >> iraq, we shouldn't have been
there and i'd get them out real fast. >> it's not the first time trump has claimed sarcasm to get out of a jam when he said this back in late july. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> he later dismissed the uproar. >> i obviously, was being sashing aftic and the people in the room were laughing and they found it very funny. they knew that. >> he encouraged the straight-talking businessman to be more careful about his words. >> one of the things that's frustrating about his candidacy is the imprecise language and he sometimes uses three words when he needs ten. he has got to learn to use language that has been thought through and that is clear to everybody. >> reporter: as the latest nbc news/wall street journal/marist poll shows trump laggin in key states, trailing in colorado, 13 points in virginia and nine points in north carolina and five points in florida, trump acknowledging he's having
trouble in traditionally red utah. >> i'm having a tremendous problem in utah. utah is a different place and is anybody here from utah? i didn't think so. we're having a problem. >> reporter: donald trump still speaking here in altoona tonight, telling his supporters we need to win pennsylvania. he's been talking here in altoona for about an hour. he brought a local business owner up on stage and also traveling with him throughout the day today, erin, rnc chair reince priebus in what could be seen as a show of solidarity. ier sn ierin? >> out front now, dr. ben carson. dr. carson, let me just play for you what donald trump just said here a moment ago in pennsylvania. i believe we have the sound bite now. let me just play it for you about hillary clinton cheating
in the state. >> she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain sections of the state they cheat, okay? >> dr. carson, what do you say to that when he says the only way she can win the state is if she cheats. >> he's referring to the well-known irregularities that occurred in the philadelphia area in the last presidential election, but really it probably would be a much better thing to concentrate on how to make sure that there is no voter fraud. that's where the energy needs to be placed and that should be helpful to both sides. >> we have polls out this week in pennsylvania, nine, ten points and that isn't something that any voter fraud could explain away. i mean, the broader question i have is do you think it's okay for the system and what he's
saying about the democratic process is if he's talking about the only way she could win is if she cheats by using that word "cheat." >> well, again, you want the emphasis to be on how do we make sure that there is no voter fraud? you know, we're living in a society now where there are people who actually feel you don't need to have identification, official identification to vote. every other country i've ever been to you have to have that. in our country people say if you want that you must be racist. it doesn't make any sense. we need to come back to a point where we use common sense once again. >> you know, you're giving a nuanced answer here and i'm just trying to understand, do you think he went too far when he said that she would cheat? >> i would have said it in a different way. i would have said there have been some irregularities and we want to make sure that those don't occur and that's something that should be helpful to all of us. and let's use our ingenuity and
our technology to make sure that there is no way that someone can game the system. >> so. you also heard donald trump talking about whether he's being sarcastic, not that sarcastic when it comes to president obama being the founder of isis, right? he said he was the founder. >> yes. >> he was given outs to explain that what he reallient was that he created a vacuum in which isis was able to flourish. he said, no that's not what i mean. i mean he's the founder of isis and everyone that thought he meant that didn't know he was being sarcastic and he was being sarcastic. which is it here? >> i don't think anybody even the most artent left-winger that actually believes that hillary clinton and barack obama went over there and actually organized isis no more so than i don't think there's anybody who believes that when hillary said that he was a major recruiter for isis that he had set up a
recruitment station. this is hyperbole. it's used all the time and, you know, i really think it would be an enormous thing if the media in this country would refocus people away from that kind of stuff and say, you know what? our country is almost $20 trillion in debt. we have some tremendous problems with unemployment and divisiveness and a prison system that is growing way too big. school systems that are not working, particularly in inner cities. let's focus on those things. if you guys could do that it would be a tremendous service to the american people because that's the very reason that the press is protected by the constitution so that they can do things like that, and not so that they can be -- >> i sit here, dr. carson, as someone who would love to do that, but unfortunately donald trump says things that are impossible. what he has said about isis and the gold-star family.
this week it is not about the media and it is current and former policy leaders who say if he were president he would be the most reckless president in american history. senator collins saying she cannot vote for him and bob corker, coming out and saying on obama founding isis went far too far. those are his words. this is not the media. >> you have children or grandchildren and you have people coming behind us and let's be more concerned about them than what hillary clinton said or what donald trump said. we keep getting sucked into that cycle. we don't need to be sucked into that. we have such important issues to deal with, and as i said, everybody knows that that's political hyperbole. there's no one who doesn't know that. >> dr. carson, thank you very much. i appreciate your being with us and i want to bring in my panel and trump supporters, and former lieutenant governor of south
carolina and basil smiekel and executive chairman of the new york state democratic party and spokesman in the reagan white house and he's voting for hillary clinton. there is no one that does not know that donald trump was engaging in hyperbole about obama being the founder of isis. >> i have no idea what he means by that. the fact that donald trump has said in no uncertain terms repeatedly that the president of the united states founded isis, that hillary clinton was a co-founder of isis. yent see the wiggle room in that and i don't understand the sarcasm. sarcasm is he saying donald trump is a thoughtful candidate. that's sarcasm. sarcasm is not you coming out and very clearly saying -- >> you also believe they were given mvp trophies? did you believe that part, too, or do you think that is sarcasm? >> i think that's reckless. you asked me a question and i'm answering it. that is reckless. >> that's a statement by the fact that hillary clinton and barack obama allowed isis to be
born and allowed it to flourish and 2300 u.s. humvees to be used by isis. you talk about what happened with isis. isis was born because of obama and hillary clinton. >> no, that is completely incorrect because you don't even give weight to the role that george w. bush played in that. which is a separate issue. i'm dealing with the fact that you have the leader of your party, the standard bearer of your party is reckless. is reckless in his language. >> hillary clinton was secretary of state for four years and this country is less safe because of it. >> that's not according to senator susan. >> so that's her fault? >> that is her fault that she has not kept this country more safe. >> you raised these issues and you raised these shootings. you're saying this is her fault. i want you to be clear about that. those shootings are her fault.
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tonight, hillary clinton releasing her 2016 taxes and she and bill clinton made $10.6 million which includes $1.5 million for six paid speeches. she can only give brief speeches before she announced her run for the white house. pamela brown is out with the big number. >> hilly roo clinton is keeping the pressure donald trump to release his tax returns. >> he refuses to do what every other presidential candidate in decades has done and release his tax returns. >> reporter: clinton and her husband bill today released their 2015 tax return which
showed they raked in $10.6 million last year when she was running for president, much less than the nearly 28 million they made in 2014. they paid a third of their income to uncle sam, 3.2 million, making their effective tax rate 30.6%, on par with their 32% effective rate in 2014. at the same time the campaign disclosed ten years of returns for running mate tim kaine and his wife ann holton. they reported $313,000 in income and paid $63,000 in federal taxes for an effective rate of 20%. the clinton campaign says now it's trump's turn. >> you have to ask yourself what's he afraid of? >> reporter: it's part of a coordinated effort by the campaign that includes a new web video featuring prominent republicans calling on trump to release his returns. >> we will only really know if he's a real deal or a phony if he releases his tax returns. >> the last 30 or 40 years every
candidate for president has relied their tax returns and i think donald trump should, as well. >> reporter: trump says he'll release his returns once an irs audit is complete. >> well, look, i'm in a routine oddity a audit, and when you're in a routine audit you don't give your tax returns. >> she is still not releasing transcripts from her paid speeches, a point that bernie sanders seized on during the primary and trump could revive. >> i am going to release all of the transcripts of the speeches that i gave on wall street behind closed doors. not for $225,000, not for two cents, there were no speeches. >> clinton says she will release her transcripts when donald trump does. >> they showed 10% of the clinton's income went to charitable contributions and most of that, a million dollars,
was donated to the private clinton family foundation. erin? >> pamela, thank you very much. out front now former senior counsel and the tax division's rob kovasev and steve rosenthal, boris and basil are back with me. steve, let me start with you. the clintons did this, putting the taxes out tonight and trump said i have put out most recently 104 pages of financial disclosure forms and they're not going to show anything additional to that. is that right? >> no. he is not right. a tax return is fundamentally different than a financial disclosure form. a tax return is precise and it adds up all of the income and subtracts the deductions and finally gives a tax liability. by comparison, the financial disclosure has maybe a thousand different entities and a sprawling enterprise in which it estimates ranges of income and
ranges of value impossible tonet melt that all together and get one number. >> in other words, there is a lot we don't know. let me ask you, boris, hillary clinton just tweeted many people are saying, okay? that's obviously doing a play on donald trump. many people are saying trump won't release his tax returns. >> he doesn't pay taxes and marks money overseas and he inflates his -- >> even bill clinton is working and he's in vegas for the weekend and this is what hillary clinton is doing. here's what we do know about the clirns. she promised that the clinton foundation would not take any money from foreign governments while she was secretary of state. that was a lie. again, we know from the different report that was again, a lie. donald trump has no obligation
to release her tax returns and she released those and will she restate those as she did four years of clinton financial forms, did she shock circuit on that? >> i don't know what you're talking because the foundation's are available. i think her releasing the returns is to be transparent and more than what donald trump is being and her tax rate is somewhere around 40, some-ought percent. >> will she release the 33,000 e-mails? >> yes. >> that said -- that said, where is donald trump and why isn't he releasing his e-mails? mitt romney had about 13%. >> hold on for a second here because i want to get rob in here. donald trump now is under a lot of pressure to release his returns. warren buffett has come out and
said he should do it. in fact, he said i'll do it when you do it and i'm also under audit and that's not an excuse and what do you sell as a tax return. i would say both don't release your artists, and that is not a smart thing to do. i think donald trump should stick to his guns and not cede to the pressure. >> absolutely. there is nothing to be gained on the audit side and it would show a lot less than people think if they looked at it. >> there are less issues with it. are you talking about -- what do you mean by less? >> if you look at mr. trump he's basically a large, corporate enterprise, so if you're looking at a tax returns they'll be huge and they'll have complex, corporate tax deductions and other things that to people who aren't tax lawyers might be confusing and look sin tore and to an actual standard, my -- he
is not a private entity and he's running for the united states, the highest office in the last and the there is a tradition of releasing tax returns and it is incumbent upon him to do this and it's probable that he's not doing this because his rate is zero. >> basil, shouldn't she also be putting out her transcripts? she now says when he puts out his transcripts. >> that's a non-starter and should she be putting out $1.5 paid speeches in the few hours before she was running. why not put them out there? >> i don't begrudge her because there is no pay to play and no quid pro quo. people are say ago on. >> for $200,000 because she's a good speaker? she's an awful speaker. >> she is an internationally known leader. because she's an internationally known leader. she has a lot to say. >> not to use a private server
and not to break laws. >> was she indicted? >> i do care about that, but she hasn't broken any laws? >> really? i think she did. >> that's your thought. >> there's no allegation of anything in this. this is just what was in there? was she closer to the banking industry. she has said that she's an antiresult result and -- and look at her economic policy is talking about penalizing corporations that go overseas. she's actually trying to be more strict with respect to these companies where donald trump is saying let's get rid of dodd frank. she hasn't said that. >> those are policies and we all know she's lying. >> and people -- just the fact that you keep saying it doesn't make it true. up next, the people that trump lovers to hate.
>> the lowest form of humanity. not all of them. they have about 25% that are pretty good, actually. and the breaking news, trump saying if he loses in pennsylvania it is because hillary clinton cheated and extreme turbulence causing a jetblue plane to freefall and a father of two who were all onboard that plane join us tonight.
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the lowest. they are the lowest form of humanity. not all of them. they have about 25% that are pretty good, actually, but most of them. >> all right. these attacks, just the latest in the billionaire's love/hate relationship with the press. brian steltser is out front. >> donald trump's campaign is about attention, media attention. >> look at all those cameras and look at the red lights. >> it's a little bit ridiculous. >> but trump likes to have it both ways. his favorite show is beat the press. >> these people are the lowest form of life, i'm telling you. >> this sleazy guy right over here from abc. he's a sleaze. "the washington post," one of the most dishonest papers in the world. >> when the going gets tough, trump gets tough on the people covering his campaign right now especially cnn. >> fox has been fair, but cnn has been catastrophic.
its so dishonest. >> lately he doesn't seem to want the attention at all. >> they cover things that are -- that should not be covered. hillary clinton does face daily scrutiny especially about her e-mail server, but clinton usually keeps her media critiques private and trump tweets his on an hourly basis, cnn, new york times and washington post, he's subjected to a dozen things just this week alone. on wednesday he called cnn ratings challenged and odds are he's watching this program right now. watching cable news and reacting to it is a defining feature of his campaign. >> you ought to see these news organizations yesterday when i said obama, right? did you see that? that obama is the founder of isis. time and time again, he says the media is rigged against him. the media is rigged. it's rigged. it's crooked as hell. >> he is far from the first can at to blame the media.
>> here is a little news flash for those reporters and commentators. i'm not going to washington to seek their good opinion. >> sometimes when campaigns are down in the poll, the anti-press talk gets even louder. the difference for trump is the intensity and he is not just running against clinton. he is running against us. >> at best, erin, this is a savvy campaign tactic and attacking the messenger and it's an attack on the legitimacy and a refusal to recognize the purpose of the press and trump is saying tonight how he will only lose in pennsylvania when the election stolen must be challenged by journalists. he's given us quite a job to do, isn't he? >> yes, he is in every way. brian, thank you. i want to bring back my panel and brian just mentioned what donald trump just said that hillary clinton would win pennsylvania if she cheats. i want to play exactly what he said to this rally moments ago. here he is. >> call up law enforcement and
we have to have the sheriffs and the police chiefs and everybody watching because if we get cheated out of this election, if we get cheated out of a win in pennsylvania which is such a vital state especially when i know what's happening here, folks. i know she can't beat what's happening here. the only way they can beat it, in my opinion, and i mean this 100%, if in certain secks of the state they cheat. >> cheat? >> this is an unconventional candidate in an unconventional election. if i were him, i think his real message is the economy and jobs. this is a job creator and i think he would stick to the message. >> cnn actually did a story and it showed a guy with a clicker that could actually change the votes with the voting machine and i saw it right here on the station and it can be done -- >> so you think the voter fraud is a real enough issue that he should be bringing it up and the only way she wins is if she
cheats. ? i, quite frankly, i got -- what got me attracted to donald trump was a businessman, a change agent in washington and i think that's his best message. that's where i would like him to take the message and much like gingrich and he nailed it and he needs to explain himself more because i think that's what wins this election and that's where people are more frauft rustrate he got elected to the second highest office in the land to play the game, and i haven't, so i can't challenge -- >> what do you make of this coming out and saying that the only way she wins is by cheating. >> first of all, it's great to be with the lowest form of life. >> that's right. you are really -- >> i have the lowest form of life. >> 25%. >> frankly, he is his own worst enemy and he is unraveling and in the process he is unraveling the republican party. it's a tragedy, the party that
he's hijacked and frankly, you're never really sure what he's going to say day to day, but for us, he's the gift that keeps on giving because we know tomorrow will be another thing. >> wasn't he a republican a couple of years ago and now it's for us. [ indiscernible ] >> as far as voter fraud goes, on the mccain campaign, a.c.o.r.n. and organizations like that are a real threat to american democracy and there is real voter fraud that goes on in this country. >> you are talking about people that vote many times over? >> the whole dallas cowboys offensive linemen that are registering to vote, and bussing folks from chicago to illinois to -- let me finish, basil. i see you want to jump in. >> you see it. >> there's no issue with donald trump saying i will win pennsylvania, and every candidate should win the key state. >> two, there's no issue, and as you played the longer clip saying we know what happens at
the polls and we want to have police watch and we want to make sure there's no voter fraud. both sides should agree to that. >> he then continued to say and if she wins it was only because she cheated. >> but it happens. if you go to a polling site there are police officers there and my problem is this conversation about voter fraud is a proxy for a lot of what has been happening over the last few years where something like 20 to 30 states have enacted laws to make it more difficult for people of color to vote that have made it more difficult for people of color to vote where they've had to actually go to court to take that away. the supreme court itself has gutted the voting rights act. so particularly dr. carson who talks about in and around philadelphia, to me, there is a concern that black and brown folks are not doing what they're supposed to do and somehow cheating the system and that's a problem for me because all of this conversation about voter fraud is about tamping down the vote --
>> just like having an iment d. to get in this building tonight, to go to the library and to go to the gym it's okay to have an i.d. to vote. that's not a racist issue and that's an issue of keeping our system correct and keeping it honest. >> i understand you may not see it that way. >> i understand you may not see it that way, but when communities of color have historically had multiple barriers to get to the voting booth and here in new york you don't need any i.d. >> really? >> you need any i.d. >> and -- voter i.d. for what? >> don't interrupt me while i try to talk. >> that is the -- i do wonder whether he wants to win. i think he raises these things because he's traying to set up this play that he might actually lose and in fact, i think he's acting like a loser in the process. >> is that what he's doing because it's the media or the system is rigged or it's about cheating and not me. >> this was an hour-long speech
in which he talked about jobs, terrorism and keeping this country safe and we're focusing on a short snippet in making sure the elections are fair and there's nothing wrong with that and let's talk about the jobs and the 700,000 jobs lost because of nafta, all things that the clintons have supported. >> when he uses the word cheat it does create, for those who support him, when and if he loses they will feel completely disenfranchised by the system. isn't that a very negative thing that someone shouldn't be doing? >> the clintons have spent their public life cheating the system and cheating the american people. >> they have. just like she cheated the system with the e-mails and she cheated the system with pay to play. >> she did go against the system and you don't have to call it cheating. >> short circuiting. >> there's no pay to play. >> thanks to all of you.
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tonight, donald trump going one step farther than promising to keep guantanamo bay open and he's open to sending american terror suspects to gitmo, as well. >> would you try to get the military commissions, the trial court there to try u.s. citizens? >> well, i know that they want to try them in our regular court systems and i don't like that at all. i don't like that at all. i would say they could be tried there. that would be fine. >> out front now our national security commentator and former house select committee mike rogers who is advising donald trump's transition team on national security issues. good to have you with me, congressman. do you agree with donald trump on sending american citizens to guantanamo bay? >> it's not the advice that i would give him, that's for sure. however, this notion that it's illegal i think is completely wrong. there was a case in 2002 roughly
george bush versus padilla. he was arrested providing material support to al qaeda, a u.s. citizen. he was declared an enemy combatant and then could be held by the military at any military legitimate military installation. so the president has the ability to go through this process to declare someone as an enemy combatant and it would be smart to allow the president flexibility if there are 50 or 80 or 100 people to declare their allegiance and begin combat-type operations or terrorist type operations and you would want the president to have the capability to declare them an enemy combatant. a confusing issue. the next president will be surrounded by intelligence officers and senior officers to
provide a list of legal options and that's important to remember. he was trying to say i'm the law enforcement guy and not the clumsy speech and not the advice that i would give him or others should give him, and i heard it on the news a lot it's illegal to do this. >> as long as he goes through the process of declaring them an enemy combatant. >> all right. you have to declassified, your latest premiere on sunday and this is your series of undercover agents and it's pretty incredible the stories that we've never heard before and all of this is under cover. this week you'll see viewers how hard it is that an undercover agent tries to stop an iranian man, the plot to stop buying american weapons and here is a clip. >> another level where you see where things are performing for the primary audience and that's the suspect. it was consistent with my role to be as charming as possible,
every case might be very different. i have, on occasion done the exact opposite and tried to raise someone's anxiety level when it served the purpose. the work of an undercover is similar to that of a high-priced call girl. i am what you want me to be. >> high-priced call girl. >> well, i did some undercover work, and i don't think i would relate it to that when i was an fbi agent and nothing as sophisticated as this and that's what micks that case so exciting. it's multinational and they had to bring in a foreigner who was an arms dealer in the past and a pretty shady character to teach the agents and how to be a shady arms dealer in the international market and they had to set up overseas and this iranian dealer was trying to buy very sophisticated u.s. military hardware and take it back to iran so they can copy it and deploy it against u.s. troops
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>> tonight, at least 24 people recovering after severe turbulence rocked a jet traveling from boston to sacramento. passengers and flight attendants were sent flying. to give you an idea of how severe the shaking was, it literally ripped a toilet from the plane's wall. that is just terrifying to even contemplate. because of the injury, the flight was diverted to south dakota, ambulances were standing by. >> this is going to be an airbus 320 coming up and they have numerous injuries on the flight due to turbulence. >> out front now, casey corcoran and he and his family, his wife,
son and daughter were passengers onboard that jetblue flight. casey thshgs is something that terrifies people to imagine about a toilet being ripped from the wall. what happened at the moment the jet hit the turbulence? >> we really have very little warning. we were told to buckle our seat belts about 15 minutes before, but there was a very strong shaking of the plane for a couple of seconds and it was almost like you hit a wall and it dropped. it was a matter of five or ten seconds and that's it, but it was an absolutely extreme -- and absolutely terrifying. >> what did that drop feel like? i mean, you describe it as hitting a wall and then dropping. was the plane going nose down? i imagine your stomach literally drops? i mean, what happened? >> imagine one of those rides at amusement parks where they zip you up very quickly and they drop you very rapidly. it was like floating. we all came up out of our seats
and everything is flying everywhere. people were crying and screaming and i've never felt anything like that. and of course, it was like hitting an air pocket. so it wasn't like the nose going down, but it was like just a straight drop down. the plane literally going down. >> i mean, what was happening with your children? >> um, you know, they were really, really scared. it was terrifying for all of us and what my wife margie and i did as parents was try to reassure them that while it was really scary, we were safe, we were smart and had our seat belts on and i was very fortunate and i work with futures around violence and we do work around kids and trauma and it was my work life meeting my personal life. you know, really using those skills. >> as the plane went down, casey, did you think that it
could crash or that you were going to die or did you think it would be okay? isn't that -- in that moment, in that drop, what were you thinking? >> you know, honestly, when my wife and my kids on the plane i had to believe that it was going to be okay. it was too terrifying to think anything else. i felt confident that our pilots would get us on the ground safely. i felt confident that the plane would get us there, but i have to tell you i was incredibly relieved to touchdown. >> and that's, of course, where you are now safe and sound and best wishes to you and your ongoing journey and to your children and wife, too. casey, thanks so much. >> thanks for having me on. >> and we'll be right back. yeeeeaaaaahhh! for you, glam rockers. we love your work.
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