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>> that does it for us. thanks for watching. "cnn tonight" with don lemon starts now. >> trump taking aim at hillary clinton at his rally in texas tonight. >> the scandal i speak of is the state department's pay for play. it right now being looked at very seriously. probably nothing will happen, even though it should happen. >> hillary clinton fighting accusations against her family foundation, laughing off dubious question about her health and planning to target trump's embrace in the alt-right in a
speech later this week. jason, it's very loud where you are. what did he say to supporters tonight? >> of course he hit hillary clinton on the e-mail scandal, the clinton foundation once again saying that the clinton foundation was nothing more than in his words a pay-for-play type of foundation, once again establishing himself as the law and order candidate. several times throughout the rally he was interrupted by protesters but he stayed on message, pretty much stuck to the script and then went on to attack hillary clinton on an issue that we expected here being in texas, a border state, the issue of immigration. >> and hillary clinton wants a totally open border. she wants catch and release. she wants obama care and other things for illegal immigrants,
in many cases more than our great veterans get. she has said she's going to give massive amnesty in her first 100 days. >> so, don, he certainly sounded like a hardliner tonight. you heard him there addressing the issue of illegal immigration. he went on to say this election will decide if the u.s. has a border. this is in stark contrast to what he said in an interview earlier today in some ways. he was asked a question about what about those illegal immigrants living here in the united states who just so happened to be contributing to society, maybe they have children. he was asked if he would possibly soften his stance on that particular issue and donald trump said the following. he said that he would, in fact, soften his stance because he said if it he didn't want to get to the point where he was hurting people. that is not something he said
here in the room tonight. once again certainly sounding like a hardliner here when he addressed the crowd. just to talk about that just a little bit more, at one point senator jeff sessions, he spoke to the crowd here tonight, was one of those people in helping to introduce donald trump, i asked him what are your thoughts about donald trump and this whole issue of softening his stance on the issue of illegal immigrati immigration. he wrestled with the question saying that donald trump was not, quote, softening his stance on the legality of illegal immigration, he was parsing his words, but he went on to say that this was an issue that, donald trump was still wrestling with. in terms of policy positions, didn't get something about that on illegal immigration. campaign says that's going to be coming down the line at a later point. >> jason carroll in austin, texas. jeff zeleny is our senior washington correspondent. good evening to you, jeff.
trump is launching a new round of attacks against clinton and her ties to the clinton foundation while she was secretary of state. what can you tell us about that? >> well, don, donald trump has been calling for the clinton foundation to be shut down. he got some new ammunition tonight in an associated press report that really has shaken the democratic side of this campaign. this associated press report analyzed a lot of the scheduling and the calendars that secretary of state had with other top officials and they found that more than half of secretary clinton's meetings were with people who gave money either individually or as a group to the clinton foundation. so donald trump seized upon that is correct his running mate, mike pence, did as well, saying this is the latest example of pay for play. but it certainly raises some questions about the fine lines, if any lines were crossed between -- in access, in terms of donors and the foundation, but there has still yet been no
evidence in our reporting or anyone's reporting about what actions were taken for donors. yes, they may have gotten some meetings, but it certainly raises questions here. don, i can can tell you the clinton campaign pushed back very hard on that explosive a.p. report tonight. >> let's listen to what trump said about that tonight. >> lie after lie after lie. hillary clinton is totally to hold public office. it is impossible to figure out where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. it is now abundantly clear that the clintons set up a business to profit from public office.
they sold access and specific actions by and really for, i guess, the making of large amounts of money. >> so, jeff, before you respond to that, i want to get to hillary clinton. this is how the campaign responded tonight saying the story relies on utterly flawed data, it literally picked a distorted subset of data. the data does not account for more than half of her tenure as secretary and omits more than 1,700 meetings she took with world leaders, let alone countless others she took with government figures while serving as secretary of state. the question is are the secretary's meetings all public and will we hear a definitive account at some point? >> it's unlikely we'll have a
definitive account. there are going to be 15,000 more e-mails and other documents that will be reviewed by the state department. more than a year now this has been under way. it all links back to secretary clinton's decision to put a private e-mail server at her home that she used exclusively. that is really the beginning of all of this. that's why the fbi investigation began, et cetera, but it is important to point out that the state department spokesman said tonight, look, a lot of donors to foundations, to humanitarian groups, to other groups do request meetings with the state departments. these are global activists, they are humanitarians. it is norm and natural for people to request meeting. the question is were they given special access, given special treatment because they were donors here. there definitely are blurred
lines but, again, in all of our reportings and everyone elses, there are blurred line but we haven't seen any evidence of quid pro quo. but that may not matter. the politics of this, this has the clinton campaign on defense tonight, answering if it was 50% of the meetings or 25% of the meetings, she definitely met with a lot of donors to the foundation. some of them wonder why they have this foundation open at all and yesterday preseident clinto said i'll step away from the position, i'll resign my position should she be elected in november. >> i want to bring in maria cardona, angela rye, jack kingston and alex stewart, former communications director for ted cruise. donald trump is seizing on every speck of news about e-mail or the clinton foundation donors
for obvious reasons but what is the basis for a special prosecutor? >> well, i don't know that in this politically charged atmosphere that secretary clinton could get a fair hearing and that over and over again she wants to cooperate. she should join in the calling for a special prosecutor. if you think access to the secretary of state is easy to do, i would challenge anybody listening to this to call and see if they can get a meeting with secretary kerry. you absolutely cannot. >> the basis for a special prosecutor would be what again? >> that she was selling access, absolutely selling access. she met with 16 countries that gave over $170 million to the clinton foundation. this was absolutely pay to play. there's no question about it. i've been in this town a long time and you can see it, you can smell it, you can feel it and this was absolutely pay to play.
>> let's bring maria cardona in. why would hillary clinton talk and meet with so many donors while at the state department? doesn't that appear to be a conflict of interest and it invites scrutiny? >> certainly it is something that the trump campaign is going to continue to ham aarmer like dead horse because they have nothing substantively to go on. look, the people who were donors to the clinton foundation were global leaders in their own right. absent the clinton foundation, they probably would have been meeting with hillary clinton if the first place as secretary of state. that's the first thing. the second thing is i think people need to understand better what the clinton foundation does. >> you think it appears to be a conflict of interest? do you think she invited the scrutiny by the actions that we're seeing with the e-mails at all? >> well, certainly she will be the first one to say that having the private server, which is what started this to begin with
was the problem. and she has apologized for it over and over again. >> and lied about it. not just apologize. she lied about it. >> she said it was a mistake, she regrets doing it and certainly would have done it differently. >> now to your point, you were saying the clinton foundation does good work. million journalists have witnessed what happens in rwanda and africa and other part of africa. >> absolutely but i think it important for viewers to hear this. 11.5 million people have access to hiv aids drugs because of clinton foundation in developing countries around the world. 80 to 90% has been of malaria drugs have been reduced of the clinton foundation. literally 50,000 afternoon can kids are alive today because of the clinton foundation. >> can you do good work. it doesn't mean there's not impropriety somewhere. there's no direct evidence -- >> that is the point, that there
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cardona, angela rye, jack kingston and alice stewart. there has been no evidence of a quid pro quo but how much do you think this could damage hillary clinton's campaign? >> i think we're certainly talking about it and i think that is exactly what republican strategists of the trump campaign want us to do. when you are in the court of public opinion and not in an actual courtroom, you are dealing with things that sound damning so obviously you must be guilty. i think the reality of it is they've made attacks on hillary clinton's staff, on bill clinton's personal assistant, all because of things that are not necessarily. >> but this is a fight for the highest office in the land. don't you think everything is fair game? except for the children and that sort of thing. we know that is correct right? >> let's talk about that, fair game and game are very different. the former congressman here just
talked about hillary clinton basically breaking the law, paying to play when you have ethics rules in place and you have clear criminal intent of violating a law and conflict of interest policies at the state department. that's breaking the law. >> you don't think that's a fair assessment because nothing has been proven. >> the fbi -- >> alice, just one second. >> the fbi investigation did not lead to charges so you can't continue to allege that she did anything criminal. >> alice, in your response, these are going to energize trump core fsupporters but do yu think it will bring any new voters her way? >> i think it will sway voters who have questions of her character. to say there's no evidence of quid quo pro or play for pay where we know there's cases
where requests were made for people to meet with secretary clinton through the formal channels or the official channels, those questions were denied and then they send an e-mail to huma and within 48 hours there is magically a meeting. >> no, that's not true. >> there is no magic there whatsoever. what huma said is that request had been going through official channels and had been going through to a result. what we saw what resulted was a meeting between the secretary of state of the united states and the crown prince of bahrain, one of our closest allies in the middle east, who we have a lot of dealings with in terms of trying to fight terrorism and other issues. >> who made a huge contribution to the clinton foundation. >> so what? so what? >> angela first. >> go ahead, congressman. >> this is why we need a special
prosecutor. if hillary clinton is as squeaky clean as you are saying, and i believe you believe that, if she's that squeaky clean, a special prosecutor could get to the bottom of it right away. >> i have big concerns about the ukrainian transfer to russia. >> you know good and well if one of your campaign contributor or someone in your district reached out to you for a meeting, sir, you would ensure that that meeting happened. you'd have conversations with your staff to ensure that your friends absolutely have access to you. that doesn't mean you ignore your consistents -- let me fi finish this out. >> let me say this -- >> let her finish. >> sometimes you go through the official channels, through the person who answers the phone.
they set up a scheduling request or if someone reaches out to you or your chief of staff, you ensure that happens. >> if my wife made $100 million because she had access to me in a seven-year period of time, i would say it's going to raise a lot of questions -- >> so you're just going to not answer that -- that's dishonest, congressman. if donors felt they had particular access to me, that would be an absolute violation of law -- >> that's why i used the different scenarios for you. >> if i was accused of it by somebody, i would say bring in that special prosecutor. >> no, you wouldn't. >> prosecute me! >> congressman, would you bring in a special prosecutor for yourself? come on. >> if my wife had made millions -- >> that's very magnanimous of you. >> i've known him for 20 years. he would certainly follow the rules.
it would be political malpractice if republican did not ask for a special prosecutor in this case. it's a good thing they have and hillary clinton and her campaign should welcome this. >> that's ridiculous. here's something jeff zeleny pointed out, this just takes us back to the where this all began, question about a private e-mail server at her home, which exposed classified documents, which came about due to the benghazi scandal. look, this is all once again raising questions about her character and the whole is greater than the sum of its parts. each and every one of these smells bad but taken in an entirety, it is not a good scenario for the clinton campaign at all. >> i want to move on to immigration now. we have another hour and a half. congressman to you, for more than a year now, donald trump has been saying all immigrants had to leave. now he's saying -- or illegal immigrants, now he's saying his campaign needs to be humane, we,
meaning the u.s. and fair, he doesn't want to hurt anyone. is donald trump bending to political pressure here? >> no. we have, first of all, enforce existing laws. secondly, we've got to get rid of sainctuary cities. and we want to get rid of the bad folks first. remember that barack obama has deported 500,000 illegal aliens or illegal immigrants as we like to call it these days. >> or undocumented immigrants. >> and the reality is george bush deported people. he's saying let's get through with the bad guys and put them through the front of the line. >> ruare you make the case that president obama's policy, george bush's policies and donald trump's policies are equal?
>> i do believe that their policies have followed the law somewhat -- >> what? i cannot believe what i'm hearing. >> i do not believe they have consistently followed the law. donald trump is saying i want to consistently follow the law and that has not been done really in the last ten years. i think it's refreshing that he's willing to talk about it. he's also talked about building a wall, which is something that has been passed on a bipartisan level by congress over and over again and a wall doesn't necessarily mean a big, you know, concrete structure. it can be a cyber wall. >> a wall with a golden door. >> gary tuchman has done a report that it's physically impossible to build a wall now the surrogates are saying, well, we know it's impossible now. >> when he has said build a wall, he's talking about border security, knowing who comes
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the conversation continues now. donald trump at a rally in austin, texas, slamming hillary clinton on issue after issue, saying she's unfit to be president. alice, you're sitting by so quietly tonight. i want you to sit for a moment and listen to what kellyanne conway told anderson about trump's deportation plan may be. >> you can figure out a way to do it without harming people. >> i have to keep asking people because those supportive of
donald trump loved his hardline stance of 11 million immigrants, undocumented workers got to leave. got to leave. he is no longer saying that. he's changed his position. >> i hope they're saying what he's saying, you don't just look at people and try to harm them and look at them inhumanely. i think it's very important, it's leadership and presidential. >> alice, do you think this is a flip flop? >> i think as kellyanne said repeatedly, it's a softening of the position. >> even you had to smile about that. you're good, alice. i've been working with you and interviewing and working with you for a long time. you're good, you guys are all great when it comes to this terminology but it is a change of his policy. >> softening of the policy. when he said we were going to build a wall and mexico is going to pay for it, every time we said that on the debate stage, we all rolled our eyes and knew it's not going to happen and when he said he's going to deport all the illegals, we knew
it wasn't going to happen. >> you knew it wasn't going to happen, his people knew and he knew it wasn't going to happen. >> i think he knew during the primary period, it was the corn eshstocor cornerstone, now he's in the general election and he has to soften his tone on some of these issues. this is one of the issues he's having to do it with. this is where he's got a lot of his support and now he's going to have to soften his harsh rhetoric on this. he has to do it without losing the base that he has but bringing on the independents and those that he'll need to win the general. >> i'm glad you said that, without loses the base that he has. that's a possibility for candidates when they have to do this pivot. maria, he's been saying all along donald trump is not a politician, he's not a politician, even though he admitted to me a year ago he had
to say sadly i have to say i am a politician now, is this the political reality for candidates who have to turn out their base and for donald trump now that he has to listen to maybe some folks that he didn't want to have to listen to and he has to become a politician? >> absolutely. democratic candidates have softened their positions on many issues going into the election. >> you mean change their position? >> exactly. that's exactly what i mean, absolutely what i mean. he didn't just get a lot of supporters because of his draconian stances on immigration. he got the vast, vast majority of his voters in the primaries in every stay except for wisconsin and new york, they vote the majority like 90% of his voters voted for him because of his immigration stance. because he wanted to deport them all.
>> alice is saying it's a softening. but what is a chant at the campaign rallies, you know, "build that wall, build that wall," so my question is, this is a spot that he has to be careful with as you might say that he's softening his position. >> don, i think, though, the big banner, which is so important, is that he has driven this as an issue. it would be lost in the shuffle if not for donald trump. in contrast, hillary clinton is talking about bringing in 620,000 refugees is and against his idea of vetting it. that was from a fact check. i didn't even get that from the trump campaign. >> that doesn't mean it -- >> it doesn't mean it's not true. it just means she feels you're
deflecting it. >> how many people does hillary want to bring in if it's not 620,000? he's talking about vetting people, finding out who is coming in your country. >> i think that you're right about that, but the whole point was the whole wall, building the wall and then not letting -- and then having people deported. as we can now, as you guys do so well, let's pivot because i want to turn to hillary clinton. let soften our position on our talk. hillary clint hillary clinton's health. donald trump and people have been talking about her having brain damage, coughs and -- i hate to say this -- even syphilis. do you think these charges are going to sew doubt in some people's minds about her fitness? >> i think the only people who will have doubt of hillary clinton as a result of these breitbart conspiracy theories are people who already didn't support hillary clinton, people who are already trying to find
reasons, additional reasons not to like her or support her. there's this crazy video going around and then i think to make matters worse, the fact that rudy giuliani is using this as if it's common knowledge and telling people to do an internet search, as if you do a rudy giuliani head tumor internet search, he doesn't show up with this big knot on his head. this is the kind of propaganda we should not push during a general election. it not healthy and it not civil discourse. >> donald trump has opened the door of asking more questions about his health. the only letter he released in which the doctor describes trump's health as astonishingly excellent. i wish i got that kind of health report from my doctor. how much do we really know about donald trump's health?
>> based on that report and what we're hearing about it, probably not very much. let me just say this, campaigns are excruciatingly difficult, they're grueling, 24/7 for the candidates, for any of them to be at this stage of the game and put a sentence together, hats off to both of them. if donald trump is going to question her health, he needs come forth with more of his own. there's plenty of material to attack hillary clinton on. we immediate to leave her health out of it. >> i want you guys to listen to dr. sanjay gupta, to what he said today. >> i don't even know what to make of this letter. you're absolutely right. whether you're a doctor or not, that degree of hyperbole and these types of word being used is very unusual. people don't write like that, that's he's the healthiest ever. first of all, you couldn't
substantia substantiate, how do you know? strength and stamina are extraordinary. what does that mean exactly? >> what is that? should donald trump release more information about his own health? >> i don't think he needs to, don. i don't think it's a big issue, except i do think there's questions of where was hillary during the benghazi attack? for example, was she in bed or in the war room? that's very develrelevant to vo. >> congressman, please stop. what does that have to do with what we're talking about here? >> it very important because i want my democrat friends to hear this. we do not discuss hillary's health during our calls. the only question that came up that donald trump raised was does she have the stamina -- >> the american people are not on your calls, the american people are watching news programs, news reports -- hold on -- where people are floating
conspiracy theories about hillary clinton's health. the majority of the people, 99.9999% are not on your calls, they're only hearing what they hear in media reports. >> i thought you said surrogates are talking about her health. >> you are! >> i'm on the surrogate -- >> i'm saying you all are talking about this. i would like for you to talk about why trump's doctor went to trump university. >> very quickly -- >> she has not had a press conference in 260 days. this weekend she was in nantucket. she took a plane to go 20 miles from nantucket to martha's vineyard. normal people don't do that. it's more about stamina. i'm not saying she's unhealthy. >> come on! on the stamina, i will put
hillary clinton's stamina up against donald trump's any day of the week and twice on sunday. >> we'll see you back here soon. thank you very much, everyone. coming up, dan rather says this race is not over and donald trump can still win. he joins me next. gary, gary, gary... i am proud of you, my man. making simple, smart cash back choices... with quicksilver from capital one. you're earning unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. like on that new laptop. quicksilver keeps things simple, gary. and smart, like you! and i like that. i guess i am pretty smart. don't let that go to your head, gary. what's in your wallet?
after a couple of brutal weeks and a campaign shake-up, is this a turning point for donald trump. here to join us, dan rather. i want to ask you if we're going to find out, look back and think this is a turning point. donald trump's new campaign manager, kellyanne conway suggests that hillary clinton should have been donald trump away and that she's shrouded in controversy, about the e-mails and clinton foundation. is this going to be a turning point? >> it's early for a turning point. as a rule of thumb, i maintain there's no real turning point until at least sometime after
labor day. we have three presumably, trump hasn't agreed actual of them. there's no question that trump has been hurt badly in the last three weeks. hillary clinton can be forgiven for not taken advice from trump's campaign manager in what she should do. but we have two flawed candidates here. i believe the path for donald trump to win, his path is much more narrow now than it has been before. he's been hurt badly beginning with the democratic convention and what he said about the khan family and what he said about the second amendment. >> i have to say if we can just talk. i'm not a political guy, i don't work for the d.c. team and i have to say i've been, patting myself on the back, right about most of this came when it comes to donald trump. in the beginning, i thought he was the nominee and then i
thought he was damaging himself with his comments and now he stands a chance, i believe, of not being the original candidate he wanted to be and he may turn some of those people off. he's really walking a tightrope right now. >> i would use a different metaphor. he's doing so many flips, he's challenging simone biles. it's common with candidates and particularly candidates who are flawed candidates in one way or the other, let's face it, both of these candidates wear the gray rags of flaws all over them. it's common for them to do one or two things and sometimes both, do the old political side shuffle or do flip-flops all over the place. that's what you're seeing with donald trump now. he reads the polls and take the polls seriously, maybe more seriously than you and i do. he's in austin, texas tonight, which is the one place in texas that no republican has carried since i can't remember when.
it's one of the more baffling campaign stops of 2016. now, there are people in austin who say maybe he confused austin with dallas or maybe he was just ha hankering for some good barbecue. it's strange almost to the point of being weird that he'd choose austin to hold this rally. >> that's something that you talk to his campaign manager about, especially when it comes to his outreach for minorities and people are color and they back very defensive even when people of color say, you know what, you're doing it wrong and they're like, no, he's not doing it wrong. shouldn't at this point in the campaign if there are people who are saying you could possibly get our vote, you're doing it wrong, here's how it might help you, shouldn't he be open to listening to that instead of saying, no, you're wrong. >> if he was running a standard
campaign, no. he's not trying to get african-americans to vote for him. he knows he's not getting the african-american vote. >> what's he doing? >> he's trying to position himself with the white voters, which he must have, he must get a biggers perce percentage of te voters. this is moderating, saying to white voters, listen, i'm not a bigot, i'm not a racist and he's appealing to independent and swing voters. when he says to african-americans what the hell do you have to lose, their answer is almost everything. >> so i tried to explain that to some of the people who come on, that that's insulting to african-americans. and as an african-american i see what you're saying so it's like what are you doing? why can't you just admit that? so you don't see him going to black churches or black universities or any of that at all? >> i don't. as sure as i say that, if he
hears us saying that, he may go. but, no. nor do i believe he's going to go to any big places for latino votes. he may make one or two stops. he knows he isn't going to get the african-american vote and he knows he isn't going to get very many latino votes. he can't win that way. the only way he can win is build on his base, get the swing voters who are independents and white to vote. >> the president was in baton rouge, my hometown visiting today. is it too little too late? we'll discuss that when we come back.
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president obama visiting the flood zone in my home state of louisiana. back to talk about that is mr. dan rather. the president toured the flooding damage today in baton rouge, amid criticism he should have gone there sooner. let's look. >> first of all, one of the benefits of being five months short of leaving here is i don't
worry too much about politics. the second thing i have seen historically is that when disasters strike, that's probably one of the few times where washington tends not to get political. >> so he may not have made this political, but donald trump certainly is. he tweeted this today and said president obama should have gone to louisiana days ago, too little too late. i'm going to ask if it was too little too late because i had this interesting text back and forth with my mother, who is in baton r oon rouge, louisiana. what do you think? >> politically, he should have gone quickly. for him to say i don't have to worry about politics, everyone realizes he's joking. in the long haul, this doesn't matter. all this talk about should he have gone sooner, it's what your native louisianians would call alligator dung.
what's going to matter is does fema stay and do its job effectively and does the money come. if that happens, all this talk about when and if he comes will go by the boards. >> republicans and democrats have said the government exacted swiftly, fema acted swiftly, they couldn't have doesn't a better job. my response to my mother, why couldn't he have come sooner, this is a fight for the highest office in the land and everything matters, including optics. to have a sitting president with pictures on a golf course juxtaposed with caskets on the street, it's a matter of optics. >> absolutely. and donald trump is the master of optics. >> so just looking at it politically, he probably would have gone sooner and it would have helped hmm and the candidate he's supporting.
and the people in louisiana. >> i agree. >> because the people there, i feel like we're just having dinner and chatting here, when you're the president of the country, you're like the daddy of the country, right? if i'm in the hospital, you may not be able to fix my illness but it great to know that you're there in the waiting room or there holding my hand. >> i agree he lost the battle of the optics. he may have made the right presidential decision in conference with the governor, talked to the governor about if i come too early, you have to use resources to clear highways and -- >> nobody cares about that. >> if the president forgets those people in louisiana, if you and i or anybody else watching this program forget those people in louisiana, that would be back in the news. these people are going to be a long time recovering and it's
going to be a long time. >> hillary clinton, should she go? >> yes. i'm surprised she hasn't gone already. >> why? >> because the optics, because donald trump can say i dropped everything and went. hillary clinton still hasn't been there. >> you said to me you think donald trump is playing a long game here? >> i think he is playing a long game. i think he wants to win, i think he still thinks he could win but he's playing the groundwork if he doesn't win he'll almost immediately start running for the next time, maybe form a third party and most importantly to lay the groundwork for a possible impeachment of hillary clinton or at the very least damage her so badly that she can't govern. >> good analysis. >> we'll see whether it good analysis. >> it sounded good.
thank you, mr. rather. always a pleasure. when we come right back, donald trump's fiery speech in texas tonight blasting hillary clinton on her family foundation and demanding an investigation. a flight to athens, georgia. with travelocity, there's no fee to cancel or rebook most flights within 24 hours. travelocity® wander wisely™ jill's gobbling up our bird's eye teriyaki broccoli. (mind-blowing sound) and look ben is going for more buffalo cauliflower. (mind-blowing sound) everybody's a veggie lover now. what do you think? (mind-blowing sound) mind blown. bird's eye flavor full. so veggie good.
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heating up tonight in the wake of a report that claims more than half of private individuals who met can clinton when she was secretary of state donated to her family's foundation. trump says the foundation should be shut down. clinton's camp insisting that the report lies on, quote, utterly flawed data. let's get to jason carroll. jason, you covered the rally down there tonight. what do donald trump have to say to the crowd if. >> there were a number of topics he addressed. there were the issues of the 15,000 e-mails, talked about the clinton foundation, basically calling it a pay for play system. the crowd responded well to that. he made that appeal to african-american voters saying something that he said before saying if you have don't feel as though you can walk down the streets without being shot, what do you have to lose by voting for