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delivered a total of, wait for it, 363 pizzas for his birthday. that's what he wanted to do for his birthday. >> why are my kid sos in cad quite. >> don't say that. >> is that bad parenting. >> this is a great example to do something better. >> i'm going to call them later. time now for "newsroom" with carol costello. >> speaking of perfect people. >> i'll take that chris. you guys have a great day. "newsroom" starts now. happening now in the "newsroom," a strong earthquake rocks central italy, mountain towns in ruins. >> it woke us up. >> now the scramble for survivors buried under the rubble. plus, did trump says he'll pivot on immigration. >> certainly can be a softening, because we're not looking to hurt people. >> how the cornerstone of his campaign could be changing.
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>> and clinton facing fresh foundation attacks. what's the fallout let's talk. live in the cnn "newsroom." >>announcer: this is cnn breaking news. and good morning, i'm carol costello. thanks for joining me. we do begin with breaking news this morning. a desperate scramble for survivors after an earthquake strikes central italy, the hardest hit area, a vacation area. in this town, you can see dust rising from the ruins. rights now, 63 people have died and that number is expected to rise. as we're getting more video of dramatic scenes from the area, this woman, only her arm and face visible, trapped under a slab of concrete. the man you see here, comforting her as they wait for more help to arrive.
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>> oh, it's just unbelievable. barbie isn't far from the epicenter. rescue efforts still underway i would suppose. >> reporter: yeah, you know, we're right here in front of a tiny little enclave, you can see the rescue workers trying to find survivors up on the big pile of rubble that used to be a family house. for the better part of the morning, we watched citizens working together with fire officers and civil protection officers, using their hands and garden tools and pick axes, anything they could find. sadly, they took a body way in a stretcher. we've seen ambulances go by, as
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well as this death count continues to rise. what's really, really devastating, though, is just the fact that they are not able to get the type of heavy equipment into this area to the extent they need to to move away the rubble. these houses aren't build of wood. they're build of stone. some of these are 100, 200 year old villas and houses that have stood here for years and years. they also at this point don't have a clear idea of just how many people were in the area. it is a very popular destination for tourists. it is a place for a lot of people who live in rome have their summer houses, and they were here, you know, kids were here with their grandparents. this is the kind of area people escape to. facebook activated its i am safe abilities this morning, so they could try to understand who is where. you know, nobody knows for sure just how many people could be buried under the rubble, like you see behind me.
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it repeats itself in teenly little enclaves, in towns, all along this area. the earthquake struck at 3:36 a.m. in the morning, and a clock, there is a clock tower, one of the neighboring towns that stopped at that very moment. everything around it, stood still. the clock tower, seems to show how the world stopped at that moment here in italy, carol. >> the woman we showed, trapped underneath the rubble with just her arm exposed, do we know whether she was rescued? >> reporter: no, we don't know right now. she is not the only one in that sort of precarious situation. there are so many of these buildings just crumbled into rubble. you've heard stories of great rescues. we know there are people trapped under the rubble that are being talked to as they're trying to move it out of the way. the problem is, though, you can't move all lot of this heav stuff with your hands. we've seen farmer tractors pulling away rubble as well.
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that's the real challenge here. >> barbie, reporting live near the center part of the earthquake. on to politics, now donald trump is softening his stance on immigration, just two days after denying he was changing any part of his policy. this coming after a postponed speech, as his campaign says he is fine tuning his proposal. jessica snyder has more. >> good morning. donald trump not giving any details about what may be a retreat from his hard line immigration stance. instead, he rallied in austin, attacking hillary clinton on two fronts, what he says is her lack stance on immigration and the topic da jure, the clinton foundation. >> where the clinton foundation ends and the state department begins. >> donald trump honing his rally cry, attacking hillary clinton and her family's namesake foundation. >> the clintons set up a
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business to profit from public office. >> trump seizing on a new report by the associated press that claims more than 50% of the private citizens hillary clinton met with during her tenure as secretary of state were donors. >> this is corruption. this is why i have called for a special prosecutor. >> the clinton campaign, mincing no words, disputing the findings in a statement, saying this story relies on utterly flawed data. cherry picked a limited subset of her schedule to give a distorted portrayal of how often she crossed paths with individuals connected to charitable donations to the clinton foundation. it does not account for more than half of her tenure as secretary, and omits more than 1,700 meetings she took with world leaders. the state department also releasing a statement, saying it is entirely within the law that individuals, including those who have donated to political
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campaigns, macon takts y contac meetings with officials. >> this as trump is softens his stance on immigration, allowing some immigrants to remain in the u.s. >> there can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. we have some great people in this country. >> this is a major reversal from his key campaign proposal to roundup and deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants living in the u.s. >> they've got to go out. >> how do you do it in a practical way? you think you can roundup 11 million people? >> at some point we're going to try to get them back 11 people came in illegal. they'll go out. >> at a rally, he did not back off the wall between the u.s. and mexico. >> we are going to build the wall. and who is going to pay for the wall? >> trump, planning to meet with
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latino and african-american activists on thursday, as he continues to his pitch to minority voters. >> i say this to the african-american community. give donald trump a chance. we will turn it around. we will make your streets safe. so when you walk down the street, you don't get shot. >> donald trump still harping on those same lines about inner city crime that have raised eyebrows. his campaign pledging that outreach will continue. in fact, rnc chair reince priebus making clear that donald trump wants to go after every minority vote in this country. >> jessica snyder reporting live. thanks so much. i'm also joined this morning by joe arparreo, welcome, sir. >> good morning. >> good morning, sheriff. mr. trump said, quote, we're going to follow the law. we have very, very strong laws
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in this country. you are in favor of toughenning it. >> i'm not disappointed. i supported him from day one. about the wall and cracking down on illegal immigration. i still do. the laws are complicated. he is going to, i'm sure, study that law and going to follow the law, see where it takes us on enforcing the illegal immigration problem that we have. >> what about the notion, sir, that donald trump is opening to softening his stance? what do you think that means? should he soften his stance when it comes to immigration? >> i don't know about softening the stance. he is going to meet with the minority groups. he is a great negotiator. he is a great guy. why not meet with the people, and explain what -- how he feels and maybe negotiate and see how they feel.
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there is nothing wrong with that, whether it is illegal immigration, private business or anything else. so i'm glad he is going to meet with those people. >> it would be okay with you if he didn't deport all of those 11 million undocumented immigrants that are in the country now? >> well, we'll have to see what happens. we'll have to see what the laws are. you have many laws -- >> you know more than anyone what the laws are. you tell me. >> well, you know, the laws are there, but it is complicated. this is very complicated when you talk about illegal immigration. talk about visas, over extending your visas. work permits. why not look at it. i'm not saying we should give the people here a pass, but let's talk to them, let's negotiate with them, and let's enforce the law. if it is against the law to be here illegally, then you enforce the law. that's how simple it is. >> see, this sounds leak a new softer sheriff joe to me.
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>> a new what? >> a softer sheriff joe to me. >> softer? >> yeah. >> i just said you enforce the laws. if you come here illegally, you enforce the laws. we got 10,000 people in my jail that were turned over to ice and they're here illegally for following different types of crimes. by the way, 39% come back to the same jail. those people, even here with criminal activity, are let out the back door. so you have to have priorities. maybe you have to go after them and get them deported when they violate our state laws. that's priority number one. if you build up the economy, if there are no jobs here, they'll self-deport any way, all those that are here. >> they've self-deport. let's go back to this notion of donald trump possibly softening his tone on immigration. mr. trump once talked about deportation force. now he says he will pursue
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president obama's policy with more energy. just to clarify, in the last fiscal year, the obama administration deported 235413 people, since president obama took office in 2008, 2.8 million people have been deported. do those numbers prove that the president's policies are working, as mr. trump said? >> it is how you play the game and add the figures up. i believe that when bush was the president, he didn't take credit for deportation when you come across, you kick them back over. this time around, with this administration, they're taking credit, when they remove, or catch them at the border and send them back, they're taking credit as a deportation. >> so you're saying the numbers aren't real? >> i'm not saying that. i'm saying it is how you figure it out, compared with the past administration.
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the statistics i'm talking about. >> so mr. trump said that obama's policies are working, the laws are working when it comes to deporting people when it comes this country. do you agree with that? >> first of all, they shouldn't be coming into the country to begin with. we shouldn't have to talk about deportation, if you catch them at the border and send them back where they came from. >> no, but there are 11 million people here. >> well, you know, we could argue 11 million, 10 million, always seems to be 11 million. nothing ever seems to change when you look at statistics. but i will say that i stand by him. and he is going to obey the law. he'll crack down on illegal immigration. so let's look and see what happens. >> do you think that if mr. trump softens his stance on the people, the undocumented immigrants that are here in this country, he'll also soften his stance on building the wall and
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making mexico pay for it? >> you know, he spent 35 years in mexico city, and the u.s. at the top official and sheriff. i think know where mexico is and i know about the border. what's wrong with the wall? i like the wall even more now. you know why? because all the drugs from mexico are coming into our country, and destroying our young people and the wall is needed more than ever before. the wall will be built and i hope it is going to be successful. if they don't want to pay for it, then take away their foreign aid. that's the way to pay for it. >> so if mr. trump would soften his stance on the wall, that would change your perhaps strong support for mr. trump? >> i'm going to support donald trump from the beginning to the end. you know, he can change whatever he wants. i still support him. he'll make a great president. and once again, he'll be able to
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negotiate, get things done in congress and dealing in international leaders. >> sheriff joe, i have to ask you about this. you're possibly facing contempt of court charges for ignoring court orders to halt your officers racial profiling of latinos. why haven't you obeyed the court order? >> i'm not going to talk about it other than to say that the obama and eric holder, 100 days into office, started this investigation. here we are today, with the aclu and everybody else, still going after this situation. so i think i will say this is just a referral. there is no criminal charges. i look forward to someone else looking at the situation. >> but there could be, if you're found guilty of contempt of court charges. there could be criminal charges, right? >> well, i'm very comfortable. let's see what happens. there isn't, and we'll look forward and there will be an
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aggressive appeal, believe me. i'm not going to get into the courts right now judiciary system. let's see what happens. >> all right, sheriff joe arparo, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. the clinton camp not backing down, their response, next. ♪ there's no one road out there. no one surface... no one speed... no one way of driving on each and every road. but there is one car that can conquer them all. the mercedes-benz c-class. five driving modes let you customize the steering, shift points, and suspension to fit the mood you're in... and the road you're on. the 2016 c-class. lease the c300 for $369 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer.
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sitting on top of the polls, but the family's foundation could be her achille's heel. republicans on the attack, and it comes right from the mainstream media. the associated press. the ap is reporting more than 50% of the private citizens that hillary clinton met with during her tenure as secretary of state were donors to the clinton foundation. not proof of any wrongdoing. but certainly enough to raise
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questions. joel benenson is her chief strategist and defended her this morning. >> what i know is people donated to this foundation because of the work the foundation was doing around the world. no one is contesting that. so is it wrong for a secretary of state to meet with people who are committed to causes of saving lives around the world, when the department of state is doing that same work. i don't think so. >> so let's talk about this with me now, edward espinoza, hillary clinton supporter, and former dnc super delegate. and larry sabato, the center of politics at the university of virginia. welcome. edward, usa today is calling for mrs. clinton to shutter the foundation, asserting if she doesn't, quote, she boosts trump's presidential campaign and if she is elected, opens herself up to the same kind of pay to play charges that she was subject to as secretary of state. so edward, why don't the clintons just give it up? >> i think it is important to keep in mind what the clinton
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foundation is and what its mission is. it is a humanitarian, trying to spread aides, and to reduce the cost of malaria prevention, you shutter the prospect of ending things like that in developing nations. that's important to keep in mind. whether or not that -- >> couldn't the clinton foundation just transer over to something like the gates foundation and let them handle it during the duration of her presidency if she is elected. >> so that's a different question now. you said should it happen should she should it down right away. as to what happens between now and the election, i don't think it should be shut down, but clearly there should be distance there. as to what happens when she becomes president, yeah, there should be distance as well, clinton, president clinton has said he would distance himself. he would stop raising money for the organization, and those clear lines would be drawn.
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in fact, i think one of the things they said was that they would like to keep the standards in place by the obama administration, creating additional layers between outside entities and government officials. so what happens post election, yeah, there should be separation, but right now, it would be hasty to move too quickly based on all these nations that rely on that support. >> okay, so larry, air hearing the democrats line of defense, right, the foundation does incredible things for people around the world. and it is true that it does, but also these very serious questions arising around it. so is this an effective argument? >> not really. look, there is no question that the foundation does some good things. but just as you've suggested, carol, this foundation either now or after the election should hillary clinton win, must spin off its good programs to other foundations. it should go into hibernation or
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shut down for the period of hillary clinton's presidency. you know, people on hillary clinton's staff and in the clinton campaign saw this coming 100 miles away. they were talking about it even a year ago. and of course, nothing happened. and now they've got a major problem on their hands. they're very lucky to have an opponent like donald trump who has an even longer list of problems. that's what is protecting hillary clinton. but you know, for those of us who watch the clintons for a long time, it is kind of reassuring in a way, because they're so consistent. i remember these same questions before there was a clinton foundation, during bill clinton's presidency, about if not pay for play, then pay for access. it is the same old story. >> so edward, here is the thing. hillary clinton has won over a lot of bernie sanders supporters, but the longer this drags on and the more allegations that republicans throw at hillary clinton, won't
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young voters say you know what, it's just the same old same old, she hasn't changed. why should we believe bernie, even. she hasn't changed. she has proved it. doesn't she run into a possible falling off of support from those sanders supports who have joined her? >> well, i wasn't a bernie person, so i can't say for sure. but i think one of the things that's important to realize here, the difference between the problems that donald trump has had with his connections to russia and putin, through his advisors and such, versus a humanitarian organization like the clinton foundation, the mission, the scope of these relationships are very different. i think that many of the bernie sanders supporters, many democrats, many independent v voters understand this. it is important not to mischaracterize the mission of the organization. many of the people who give to these organizations are involved
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in these type of relief efforts and humanitarian efforts all over the place. that's an important distinction. >> i have to leave it there. edward and larry, thanks to you both. still to come in the "newsroom," another russian hack attack. their target, "the new york times." i'll be right back.
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and good morning, i'm carol costello, thank you for joining me. the fbi says russian hackers have a brand new target. u.s. officials are investigating a series of cyber breaches, hitting reporters at the new york times. evan perez broke the story. >> good morning, carol. an undeclared cyber war. law enforcement says suspected russian hackers have been
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targeting reporters at the new york times and investigators believe this is part of a broader russian intelligence operation. spokeswoman for "the new york times" told us they haven't found any evidence of a breach of the internal systems, but there was a successful attempt to breach in its moscow bureau. they believe it is similar to recent ones that includes the cyber attacks against the democratic national committee and other democratic party organizations as well as think tanks here in washington. carol, the concern about these hacking of reporters is that russian spies could obtain not only information about who reporters are talking to in the government, but also details of their communications and stories that they haven't yet published yet. the issue is, you know, what to do about this. there are some people who want to name the russians, and others are afraid of escalating the situation. >> so it is sort of a three-pronged attack, so what will russia -- i know you said
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sensitive information, and i get that, but what does russia want to do with this information, if the russian government is indeed behind the attack? >> well, one of the things that intelligence officials believe is the russians are trying to go after every organization that they think has a window into the u.s. political system. they're very interested in the election, as we are. the other issue pairs to be that the russians are convinced that the united states is doing this and more to them, and so they're retaliating. some of that might be true. some of it may not be. >> all right, evan perez reporting live. thank you. >> thanks. all right, back to the breaking news in italy, where searchers are looking for anyone still alive after an earthquake. an entire town, gone. at least 63 people have died, but the number could rise. the area is extremely popular with vacationing italians and tourists, and it is the height
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of the summer holiday season. this area is about 100 miles away from rome. wolf ochner was knocked off his chair. he is a retired jaurn journalist. tell us what it felt like. >> to tell you the truth, it was really weird. i had been working in the night, when the earthquake happened in 2009, and that was pretty strong. but this time, it felt much stronger here. so that led me, imagine that either the quake was stronger or closer, and in fact, it turned out it was the same strength, but closer. but what happened this time, also, was i even turned around for a moment, because it felt as though someone was trying to play a joke on me and pull me off out of my chair, so i turned around but then realized the house was shaking and it was an
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earthquake. and what i can tell you, i've been following this since early this morning, there have been several other quakes actually many dozens of aftershocks, but a couple of big ones. one just about an hour ago. and rescuers now luckily have equipment. the army is arriving, civil protection, in most places. but there are so many little towns that survivors are expected to be still under buildings, but organized rescue teams have not yet managed to arrive. in fact, this leads us here to believe that the number of victims in the end may be over 100. because as you said, the area was packed full of tourists. also, because this weekend, there is a big festival to celebrate the 50th anniversary. they're celebrating spaghetti
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muchaliani, tomato sauce, pork cheek and sheep cheese. so the area was really packed with tourists and locals who are back at home for their vacation. carol. >> all right, we're glad you're safe. thank you for sharing information. we do appreciate. still to come in the "newsroom," a live saving drug at a steep price. allergy sufferers with sticker shock over the rising cost of epipens. when we say real meat ie first ingredient, it is number one. and we leave out corn, wheat and soy. for your pet, we go beyond.
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just moments aing on wall street. one year ago to the day, since the dow plunged nearly 11,000 points. down almost 15 points.
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good morning. >> reporter: good morning, carol. you know, pressure is mounting on the pharmaceutical company, mylan, because of what it is charging for the epipen, used to treat severe allergic reactions. several senators are calling for an explanation why this huge price hike on the popular medicine. amy kobishar, calling for an investigation, and has increased its price several times. their own daughter is an epipen user. richard blumenthal, and iowa senator, chuck grassley, a two pack, 2009, $100. now $600, depending on where you buy it and what state you live in. mylan is telling us that the changing health care landscape is partly to blame for the
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rising costs for consumers, especially those who have to pay the -- the sticker shock, the portable portable injector, just a few dollars. a year ago today, jaw dropping 11,000 points at the beginning of the trading day. now we're seeing it down just 17 points. what a difference a year makes. >> a good difference. thanks so much, allison. it has been a central part of donald trump's speeches on trade and his promise to bring america's job back. he has attacked carrier, a company that makes heating and cooling equipment to shut down and ship the jobs to mexico. cnn has found carrier workers aren't necessarily buying into trump's message. christi
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christine sat down with them. >> it is counter intuitive. you would expect these workers to support trump at the very least, because he is drawing attention to their cause, right. but this just underscores how complicated trade really is. the issue of trade. the story really starts in february, when the workers got some pretty awful news, news that no one really wants to hear. take a listen. >> the best way to stay competitive and protect the business for long-term is to move production from our facility in indianapolis to monterey, mexico. >> you're taking our livelihood away. shock and confusion. just upset. i mean, i've been here 14 years. >> t.j. works for carrier, which makes heating and cooling equipment. the company announced it was moving jobs to mexico, where minimum wage is about $4 a day. >> the trade bill that is
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influenced on this carrier move is nafta, which was put in by president bill clinton. >> why did carrier make the decision now? >> the shareholders were having a hard time with the profits that they were getting. >> this is all driven by what? >> corporate greed and unfair trade. >> let's take those one at a time. first, unfair trade. a rallying cry of donald trump's campaign. >> the single worst trade deal ever done. it's called nafta. >> but business researcher, carol rogers, says it isn't that simple. >> can we blame the free-trade agreements. >> i don't think so. because then we're not going to be able to solell our stuff outside of the united states. >> so trump is wrong. >> i think so, yes. >> exports from indiana have double in 20 years, even when adjusting for inflation. that's more than 10% of the state's economy, plus all the
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jobs the exporters support. indiana's biggest customers, canada and mexico. free trade advocates argue that you want to be selling to billions of people around the world. not just the 320 million customers in the u.s. >> international business is actually an important part of american businesses being successful. >> jennifer rumsey. >> one element of manufacturing costs, what is your efficiency rate. we can't compete with the hourly rate. no point suggesting we could. >> bottom line. america has to be innovative. the company can't compete on wages alone. the benefit should be cheaper goods. >> i haven't seen where it makes the goods cheaper. the companies are making more profit. >> so is it the trade deals or corporate greed behind carrier's
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moving jobs to mexico. the business unit that includes carrier had an operating profit of just under $3 billion in 2015. when we asked about the move, the company provided this statement. we must continue to protect our business in a relentlessly global marketplace. to soften the blow, the company plans to support a slew of retraining opportunities for employees losing their job. chuck, is not convinced. >> what they ain't telling you is one of the qualifications on some of these jobs they're creating is you gotta be able to say do you want french fries with that. >> that's what this comes down to. wages. how will working people in america make more money. and how does america ensure that everyone gets some benefit out of globalization. >> when we vote. we go out and we vote. we have to vote for our jobs. >> people get caught up on issues, guns, god and gays.
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>> believing in god, so important. >> these guys are voting with their wallets. >> oh, i'm going to do this, do that. you didn't tell me how. i mean, you say all this stuff about jobs. but i mean, this guy is an entertainer. he is a clown. >> so what exactly was he saying? he is going to vote for hillary clinton? >> that's an excellent question. so the national union is supporting hillary clinton officially. that's not too much of a surprise. >> we've always heard some of the workers are supporting donald trump. >> and some of the workers are supporting donald trump, or they're really truly undecided, which is interesting in and of itself. those three guys seem to be leaning at the very least towards clinton for now, although -- >> that's because they want to plan for mr. trump about how he'll create jobs for them. >> they believe that -- they believe it is rhetoric. he is not going do anything for them. >> the other side, they're just not sure?
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>> they still are hung up on the nafta thing, because of bill clinton. so it's -- they're caught in the middle. >> so they're in agony, just like so many other voters in america today. >> exactly. >> christina, that he was a great story. thanks so much. still to come in the "newsroom," donald trump is signaling he is softening on immigration. what does mike pence have to say. he is visiting north carolina, moments from now. we'll take you there, next. all self-motivated self-starters. drive with uber and put a dollar sign in front of your odometer. like this guy. technically i'm a cook. sign up here. drive a few hours a day. make $300 a week. actually it's a little bit more than that. that's extra buy-you-stuff money. or buy-them-stuff money. calling all early risers, nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber-a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to
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mrs. trump is now threatening to sue. she says that's absolutely untrue. let's talk about that. with me now, anita mcbride, the former chief of staff for first lady laura bush and now works for the american university center for congressional and presidential studies, welcome. >> good morning, thank you. >> good morning and thank you for being here. you wanted to come on and talk about this issue, about mallan ya trump and the tabloids, why? >> politics is a very tough business and when the family gets involved, you know, it's hard on them. i think, you know, if she has the right like all of us in america do to defend ourselves if something is false. clearly though if this is true this is a problem for the campaign. and they're going to have to deal with it. but i think it is important to recognize this, that we have the right to defend ourses if these allegations are false. >> should melania trump come out and perhaps talk to voters about
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it? >> well, i think this is one of the important things to remember about a campaign and to remember about having important sur gats in your campaign and the spouse is one of them. what i hope doesn't happen for her is to be a turtle in her shell and to not be out there talking, connecting with voters. it's an important role for the spouse. but the other thing to remember is that the campaign has to give the spouse proper support to be able to do the job, to help the candidate reach every potential voter in this electoral map which is going to be very difficu difficult. >> do you think the trump campaign is giving the proper support to melania trump? >> we saw an example in cleveland at the convention where it wasn't. here's someone who was very reticent to get out there to give speeches anyway. gave a very good delivery, heartfelt delivery of a speech, went to bed thinking it was a victory and the next morning woke up and it's swirling in controversy because the proper
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support was not there to clear and vet that speech. so i think that's an example of not having supported her. and i hope that they have learned from that. for her sake, as well as for the campaigns. >> i know that all women are different and we ought to celebrate that, we should celebrate that, but it's difficult since you worked for laura bush that melania trump is so unlike mrs. bush in so many ways. i ask you that question because there was this abc/"washington post" poll that came out that showed just 39% of adultings have a favorable view of melania trump and, as you know, mrs. bush was incredibly popular. why do you think this poll is showing this about melania trump? >> well, because they don't know her. clearly we can't obviously make comparisons here. all the women through history that have faced this role, you know, have all had to deal with scrutiny and criticism and have had to tell the american people who they are. and they oftentimes compa s coms
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role very reluctantly. there's no getting around it. this is a team effort in politics. you have to do your job and get out there and talk about who you are and why the person you're married to should be the president of the united states. >> well, it's interesting you say that because i know when president oba president bush's campaign was lagging in 2004, laura bush hit the trail for her husband, even though it wasn't her favorite thing, right? >> no, it wasn't, and she made that very famous pledge or have her husband commit to her she never had to give a political speech when she got out into this in 2000. so she came about very slowly but was an excellent advocate and surrogate for her husband. in 2004, was definitely an inflection point and she was the secret weapon, no doubt about it. >> i'm curious, do you support donald trump? >> i have to say, i am a republican and there are a lot of people in our party that i am
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happening now in the "newsroom," a strong earthquake rocks central italy, mountain towns in ruins. >> it felt like the bed was on rollers. >> now the scramble for survivors buried under the rubble. plus, did trump say he's going to pivot on immigration? >> there certainly can be a
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softening because we're not looking to hurt people. >> how the cornerstone of his campaign could be changing. and clinton facing fresh foundation attacks. what's the fallout? let's talk live in the "cnn newsroom." >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. >> and good morning, i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we do begin with breaking news this morning. a powerful earthquake hit central italy and now we know at least 63 have been killed. rescuers still digging for survivors. they're trapped underneath mountains and mountains of rubble. the hard et hit spot, a popular vacation area devastated by the 6.2 magnitude earthquake. there's no telling how many people may be buried waiting for help. take a look at this woman. someone found her. only her harm and face visible. beneath a slab of concrete. and this man, he's staying by her side.
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[ speaking foreign language ] we don't know right now whether that woman has been rescued. new information just coming in that the death toll has risen to 73. cnn's fred pleitgen is live in a town not too far from the epicenter. he has more for us. hi, fred. >> hi there, carol. i'm in the little town which is right near the epicenter of where this happened. on one hand, it was of course a very strong earthquake. also, it was very, very shallow as well. that's something that's led to a lot of destruction in little towns like accumoli like i am right here. i'm actually in front of a house that was destroyed. we've been here for a couple of minutes. there was actually a search and rescue operation going on in that rubble, you can see right
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there behind me. there were a lot of fire department people involved in that. they did tell us they did manage to rescue one person from that rubble. so at least one sort of bit of good news in this massive tragedy that has befallen this region. if you look at that house, then you'll also see how old a lot of these structures are. a lot of these houses here are very ancient. of course, when this earth quick struck, a lot of them didn't collapse, they simply crumbled. that's why a lot of the people here, carol, the ones who survived, very, very traumatized at this point in time. many of them telling us they've had relatives injured. there's a large-scale operation going on in italy. authorities are moving in with a lot of equipment to try and help mitigate the situation here. there's mobile emergency rooms coming here. there's a lot of choppers on the scene now as well to try and help as fast as possible. because we know, carol, in situations like this00 it's the first 72 hours that are key.
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that's as long as people who are trapped under the rebel aubble able to survive if they were able to survive the initial shocks that came. >> frederik pleitgen reporting live from central italy. with a little over two months left in the 2016 campaign, donald trump and mike pence are making their pitch to voters throughout the south today. pence is set to speak in charlotte. mr. trump is heading to mississippi and then the swing state of florida. florida is home to one of the country's largest populations of undocumented immigrants who have been squarely in trump's sites ever since he lost his bid for the white house. after months of tough talk, mr. trump seems to be softening his tone. cnn's jessica schneider is following that part of our story. >> it's a softening that has been speculated about for the past week or so. donald trump insists he is not flip-flopping from his hard-line stance to deport millions of ingrants. last night, he acknowledged
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there may be some room for some to say. >> is there any part of the law that you might be able to change that would accommodate those people that contribute to society, have been law abiding, have kids here? would there be any room in your mind? because i know you had an meeting this week. >> i did. i had a meeting with great people, great hispanic leaders. there certainly can be be a softening. we're not looking to hurt people. we have some great people in this country. we have some great, great people in this country. >> donald trump referring there to his meeting with a handpicked group of hispanics over the weekend. but despite his self-admitted softening, he seems firm in at least one of his infamous pledges. >> we're going to build a wall, folks, we're going to build a wall. we're going to build a wall. don't worry, we're going to build a wall. that wall will go up so fast, your head will spin.
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and you'll say, you know, he meant it. and you know what else i mean, mexico is going to pay for the wall. >> now, despite that comment, donald trump also said last night he would meet with the next cab president if elected. mexico's president recently reversed course saying he would in fact meet with the next president as well regardless of who he or even she may be. >> why would donald trump meet with mexico to talk about -- >> it's unknown but he says he will meet with them. he said it in that town hall. despite his insistent, as you heard it there, he will build that wall, he's sticking to that pledge so far. >> let's talk about that. with me is douglas nichols, the mayor of yuma, arizona, and he's a trump supporter. welcome, mr. mayor. >> good morning. >> mr. trump said, quote, we're going to follow the law. we have very, very strong laws in this country. i know you're in favor of toughening immigration law. are you surprised by mr. trump's
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comments? >> first, i want to say not about toughening the law necessarily but about reforring the law. there's a lot of things that just don't work. so looking at ways that we can improve the law would be more important than toughening it necessarily. >> so as far as deporting the 11 million undocumented immigrants in the country, do you think mr. trump still wants to do that? what does he mean -- what did he mean, you know, at that town hall with sean hannity? >> it seems to me what he meant is he's looking to really work with people who want to work and want to contribute to american society and american way of life which has been tradition since the beginning of our country. we have always had immigrants and ingrants have always contributed to our culture, our fabric, our economy. and i think that's what he's talking about. immigration is a very complex issue. and to be able to say yes or no and cover every element is just not practical. >> but here's the thing.
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mr. trump's core supporters liked his tough stance on immigration. i mean, just a few months ago, trump vowed to round up the approximate 11 million people living in the u.s. illegally and eject them within two years. if you don't believe me, here's mr. trump on tape. >> we're rounding them up at a very humane way and they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. by the way, i know it doesn't sound nice. but not everything is nice. they're going back where they came. if they came from a certain country, they're going to be brought back to that country. that's the way it's supposed to be. now, they can come back but they have to come back legally. they will go out. they will come back. some will come back, the best, through a process. they have to come back legally. >> okay so now mr. trump is saying we're going to see who people are, we're going to see how they've done. there certainly can be a softening. so how is he going to see who people are and how is he going
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to figure out what they've done? >> well, i don't know exactly how he's going to make that happen. but the understanding that immigration is a very complex issue and it needs to be looked at individually and in different situations. for instance, in yuma -- >> surely mr. trump knew that before. he knew the complex issue. >> a lot of people on the immigration discussion have been painting very wide brushes with issues and topics and supposed solutions. but if you look at immigration in the yuma area, we bring, every day, 25,000 people across the border to work in our community that want to go home either night and they do during our agricultural season. so when you have a dynamic like that, that's not going to replicate itself almost anywhere else in the country. so the complexities in immigration isn't something you can just sound bite at all. >> does that include building a wall? is that oversimplification as well? >> i think yuma is a perfect
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example. we already have a wall. we've had a wall for eight years. the security it's provided. the organization it's provided along the border has really changed the dynamic of our economy. it's changed the dynamic of our community. it's not a barrier to working with mexico. it's actually helped facilitate it. we now have one of the best relationships we've had as a community with the community just south of the border because -- >> did you make mexico pay for your wall? >> that actually is before mr. trump has been in office so no, that did not happen. >> i'm just saying you possibly have this good relationship with mexico and things are working for yuma because you sat down and figured it out. it's not saying that i'm going to build a wall and i'm going to make you pay for it whether you want to or not. >> well, if you look at what mr. trump is saying, he's saying there's a lot of different ways to make that happen. writing a check is one of the ways that seep s thas that see
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the only attention. he's talking about visa fees, he talks about -- >> that wouldn't be mexico paying for the wall, would it? >> when you have half a trillion dollars in an economic engine happening, that's how you pay for the wall. you find a way through that system as opposed to taxing americans that maybe don't have that engagement with the trade with mexico. you utilize that exchange of dollars day to day to find a way to pay for the wall. >> okay, so you still support building the wall but not necessarily making mexico pay for it. >> well, i support definitely building the wall because it's worked amazing in yuma. things are operating better than they ever have. who pays for it? that's up to mr. trump when he balances his budget and figures out how to fund his programs. >> thank you for joining me this morning. still to come in the "newsroom," donald trump unleashing a new line of attacks
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tenure as secretary of state were donors to the clinton foundation. but the clinton camp is fighting back. it say quote, this story relies on utterly flawed data. it cherry picked a limited subset of secretary clinton's schedule to give a distorted portrayal of how often she cros paths with individuals connected to the charitable donation to the clinton foundation. let's talk about this. democratic trat gist and clinton supporter keith boykin. and reporter for u.s. world report, david kateness. "usa today" is calling for the clintons to shutter the foundation now, assuring if mrs. clinton doesn't do that she boosts trump's farcical presidential campaign and if she's elected opens herself up to the same kind of pay to play charges that she was subject to as secretary of state. why don't the clintonens just give it up? >> i don't think she should close down the foundation.
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nor do i think the foundation should close even after she's elect the as president if she's elected. but she should distance herself from it -- >> how so? how does she do that? >> in the same way you create a bli blind trust for business partnerships. that's for them to decide. but the reality is i think that the clinton foundation has done good work and will continue to do good work, but for the idea because there were 85 meetings out of 1,700 meetings she had that may have been with people who contributed to the clinton foundation doesn't really prove anything -- >> oh, but perception is reality, keith. >> there's no evidence -- i don't think the ap story even contradicts. there's no evidence she made any decisions because of these meetings. you have to keep in context here. muhammad yunis for example who was a nobel peace prize winner
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is somebody the secretary of state would meet with. i don't think these are unusual meetings for a presidential candidate or for a secretary of state to have a meeting with. >> so democrats are fighting back by saying the clinton global foundation does do good work, it provides vaccinations to needy kids around the world. it provides aids medication. it provides schooling for girls all over the world who find it difficult to get any form of education. so what happens to those things if the clinton foundation were to be just shut down. >> the clinton foundation partners with the gates foundation so the gates foundation can continue doing that good work. the problem with the arguments is it's contradicted by members of their own party. you have democratic governor ed rendell saying this needs to shut down. you have the huffington post. "the boston globe." you know, these are credible organizations that are not affiliated with the right that are saying there was, you know, wrongdoing or at least, you know, the notion or the
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appearance of wrongdoing going on here. the bottom line is when you have the government, you have the american people who are the priority. and the clinton foundation, you had foreign billionaire donors, a prince from bahrain -- >> we should also mention that donald trump donated. >> you do have a -- >> you know what i'm saying. >> you had a bahrain prince who tried to get access through the normal channels and went through the clinton foundation. >> wouldn't the secretary of state meet with the prince of bahrain -- >> look, he tried to go -- >> isn't that tape caa typical meeting? >> the e-mail says -- i know you don't want me to finish. >> go ahead. >> he was unable to get the meeting through normal channels. it was suggested he go -- >> was there any suggestion -- are you suggesting that clinton made any decisions as a result of that meeting? >> i think so --
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>> can you prove it? can you point to a single decision -- >> access is the point -- >> -- as a result -- >> -- an argument donald trump is making -- >> but this is just throwing up speculation -- >> it's not. >> it has no credibility from trump supporters or donald trump himself when the guy hasn't released his tax returns and no knows what kind of shady business dealings he has -- >> do you have proof of that, you don't. >> no, we don't because they have no transparency -- >> isn't the -- >> i'm going to stop you guys and bring david into the conversation. >> i'm sorry. >> no, i was enjoying it myself really. it was great. but david, what do you think, what should the clintons do? because obviously this is gaining traction. >> look, this is a problem that underlines the perceptions that people have had about the clintons for years, that they're secretive, that they help their friends and they're willing to blur lines no matter what, out of defiance and arrogance. i would just ask keith.
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he says the foundation should continue to stay open, even after a hillary clinton presidency takes place, if that takes place. do you think it's okay if a billionaire foreign donor gave money to the clinton foundation and then two weeks later asked for access with a meeting to the president of the united states? would that be okay for you? would you think that's ethical and fair and a good way to perform government? >> well, like i said before, i think the clinton foundation should be separated from a clinton presidency if she were elected -- >> there's no way -- how do you do that, how can you separate them? there's been no fire walls -- >> we, david, i'm not sure about how you do that in the future. i'm talking about, you know, what goes on what will take place if she was elected. i think you have -- >> but that's the entire question. >> she was supposed to do that when she was secretary of state -- >> but the thing is -- >> -- put forth no plan on how to address this --
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>> david -- >> -- now we are two months from the election and only a couple months until the next president. there's been no proposal on how the clinton foundation -- >> and let me just -- let me just -- >> let keith respond. >> i agree there should be some standard going forward. i don't know that they were ever violated in the past. i think you have to put it in context. we never had a secretary of state married to a forr former president before -- >> right, that means -- >> well, let me finish -- >> let keith finish -- >> -- that means you take more extraordinary steps to make sure -- >> yes, we're breaking -- >> ek okay, let keith finish. >> we're breaking new ground here. we have a president of the united states married to a former first lady and a secretary of state and a senator. of course they're going to interact with people on a different level than you or i would interact with. >> right. >> i don't think it's shady
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dealings. the problem is people assume they're blurring the lines. no, there's not always a blurring of lines. it's just that sometimes you're dealing with people who are at a different leave from the normal interactions -- >> it's -- >> i don't think necessarily there's -- >> kayleigh, last word. >> she signed an agreement saying there would be no blurring of lines -- >> and she didn't violate it. >> there were -- >> there's no proof -- >> she did -- >> there's no proof. there are questions, but no proof. >> do you have proof? do you have proof? >> yes. >> where is it? >> go read the ee-mails. the prince of bahrain did not get access through the state department. >> you said that before. i said show me the proof that -- >> i just gave you the proof. >> that's not proof she violated the -- >> there is supposed to be an iron wall between the clinton foundation and the state department -- >> i don't think donald trump
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should be making his aurgsment considering his lack of transparency -- >> i have to leave it here. this argument will no doubt continue. all right, thanks. kayleigh, keith boykin, david. i do appreciate it. a desperate search for survivors going on in italy. an earthquake truumbling entire towns and killing more than 70. ♪ hey, is this our turn? honey...our turn? yeah, we go left right here. (woman vo) great adventures are still out there. we'll find them in our subaru outback. (avo) love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. get zero percent on select subaru models during the subaru a lot to love event, now through august thirty-first.
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and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you so much for joining me. the death toll keeps rising
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after a powerful earthquake struck overnight. at least 70 people now reported dead. more than 1,000 people have been displaced. the 6.2 magnitude quake demolished an entire town and badly damaged others. the region where this quake struck is filled with summer tourists and vacationing italians. rescue workers combing through the rubble looking for anyone still alive. relentless after shocks are making their work difficult. crews are having a hard time getting heavy machinery into this mountainous area. rescuers from the italian red cross are joining the desperate hunt for survivors. tommaso della longa joins us on the phone from italy. welcome. >> thank you very much. >> our hearts go out to the people there. can you tell us what you're seeing? >> actually, i've just arrived like half an hour ago in the region.
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this is one of the cities destroyed. it's a very sad scenario. it remembers me what i saw in laquila earthquake in 2009. half of the city is destroyed. there are other ambulances of other organizations around trying to find people still alive and then on the other side we're taking care of people that are safe but obviously they're shocked so it's a very sad and difficult situation. >> we can see from the video we're getting into cnn that there have been rescues. can you tell us about some of them? >> i mean, there were several people. there were several people rescued. we are working around the clock since the beginning to find
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people alive. obviously, the situation, at the beginning, we were here with the search and rescue team and ambulances. now we are also deploying other volunteers. we are almost deployed more than 200 italian red cross volunteers. also to take care of the people that were -- that are alive but they don't have any more -- they are shocked and some of them they have a parent or a friend that was killed by the earthquake. so even the psychological teams who are part of the red cross. for the dignity of people to help them to understand what happened. because i'm sure that it was a nightmare to be wakened up by an earthquake that lasts for 142 seconds that it's really a long one. >> wow, i know that the homes built in these little towns,
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they just crumbled because they're not earthquake proof. i know some of the roads are very narrow in these small towns. are rescue workers using their hands to try to dig people out? at the beginning, yes. we have this story of this person waking up by the earthquake. he took his family away from the building that was collapsing. and then right afterwards, it started with the local red cross volunteers to dig with their hands to save people. then afterwards, the other teams were arriving from all across the region and then from all across italy. but still logistics in this emergency is a very big issue because you have to understand this part of italy is between monta and sebela and there are several small villages around
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and some of them are -- you have to think for example there is only one tiny road now that is full of trucks and ambulances and all the emergency cars and this is a problem and it could continue to be a problem. >> all right, tommaso from the italian red cross, thank you for taking the time to talk with us this morning. still to come in the "newsroom," donald trump comes on strong with a pitch to minorities but is it too late? ♪ wireless service is essential to our business. t-mobile network has been amazing. i save a lot of time using t-mobile cause i don't have to worry about the overages. t-mobile has actually come to us and said "we see what is going on in your business, here's how we can help." switch today and get a free samsung galaxy for everyone in your business. we went to t-mobile, and we haven't looked back since.
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voters and how he's got to reach -- now he's got a new plan to reach out to them besides just that. "the washington post" says he will visit schools and tomorrow will meet with black and latino activists at trump tower in new york. dr. ben carson who is supporting mr. trump is defending his former rival's pitch. >> i believe the message that he's trying to get across is that for several decades now, particularly in many of our large cities, we've had a political class in power that purports to be the saviors of the african-american community. and what has happened? you see income going down. you see incarceration going up. you see 73% of babies being born out of wedlock. families being torn apart. and just general misery and a lot of areas. this is not to say that's the case for all or even most african-americans.
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but our inner cities are an important part of who we are as a nation. if they are suffering, there's -- it's going to be very difficult to strengthen the nation. >> so let's talk about this. joining me now is tracy windbush, host of tracy and friends radio show, also treasury of the ohio republican party. welcome. >> hi, how are you? >> i'm good. so you well know that mr. trump does not have -- well, he has 1% to 2% at most support among african-americans. what does he need to say to build trust in the african-american community? >> the strategy i think he should take is more of a grassroots strategy. making sure his message gets out and not depending on the media to do that. there are churches but then there are civic organizations and people need to hear what he says about economic development, empowerment as well as social issues. i think that would touch their heart a whole lot more.
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>> what about him appeals to you? >> he's going to break the system. i think the system has been very, very impartial to those who are at the top. no matter who's in office. and i think that he is going to break that system and allow middle class to grow and let those who are in the underclass grow into the middle class because if we don't have a strong middle class, america loses. >> many african-americans don't share your view about mr. trump. when he said what the hell do you have to lose, vote for me, many of them felt insulted by that. we went out in texas and interviewed some african-americans. >> he's brought up some points that are valid regarding african-americans, crime and death rates. i mean, he does say he will make it better. we'll have to see. we still have to see. >> he'll make a good point and then he'll take it way too far. that's the biggest issue we have
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with politics. you have people feeling like they have to play to an extreme. but he makes important points. you talk about these issues, we agree what the issues are. when you go too far left or right, it becomes absurd. >> when he talks about being shot in their neighborhoods, is that insulting? >> absolutely. i realize that's something that is happening in our communities but i think it's insulting because he's using it for political points. he's trying to score political points. when he's made no outreach to african-american voters. he's been running since june 2015. >> okay, so you heard what those people have to say. so what does donald trump do at this point? >> you know, jack nicholson said it best, you can't handle the truth. and sometimes the truth really hurts. it is true, we have some problems in our community and i think it falls with the policies of the democratic party who have given us crutches and not helped us out of the situation we're in.
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i would have done things a little bit differently. i'm glad he's at least speaking out. he's actually going after the vote. it's important that african-americans begin to get involved. because it's important to them. we are americans. we have issues. we thing the government needs the infrastructure that's going to help us -- >> i think many african-american voters think mr. trump is talking at them, not to them. he likes to hold these large rallies in front of largely white audiences. and then he says, you know, i'm sure that african-americans are watching television and they're hearing me. that just doesn't cut it for a lot of voters. >> my question is, if he came into the city of detroit and threw a rally, would african-americans show up? >> why not give it a try? why not walk through the community? why not shake hands? why not go to a church service in the morning? >> he's already said he's going to start doing that. he said he's going to start going down to the grassroots level. we have to understand, if he had
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come inside of an inner city, how many people would be in there at this present time. because they have already put in their mind-set that they're not welcome. and they are welcome. we want them to come in and to listen to what we have to say as republicans and as trump supporters. because it's important to their future. they have to be engaged in this. >> i here you, but is it too late to demonstrate he cares about them by going into these african-american communities? we're 73 days out from the election. >> it's never too late. it's never too late. because the fat lady doesn't sing until november the 8th. it's important that they begin to listen. they begin to hear. they begin to advance their own personal agenda. because we are americans also. and we have to make sure that we get what we need in our own communities so we can thrive. we can grow. we can have the american dream like everyone else. >> tracy winbush, thank you so much for stopping by, i do
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iraqi and kurdish peshmerga forces are trying to push isis forces out of iraq's second largest city mosul. iraqi and kurdish forces close in on the decimated city. panicked civilians in ur is rounding villaging are trying to escape. many are filling refugee camps nearby. cnn's arwa damon nearby in erbil, iraq, she joins us with more. >> hi, carol. a lot of the focus lately has been on the military advances, the successes in pushing isis out of territory as the iraqis and kurdish peshmerga do move forward but what is the fighting doing to the civilian population, where are they going. here's a look at the lives they're now trying to lead. the desert wins whip across the field. the heat is thick.
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suffocating. and the sand sticks to everything. children's matted hair is shaved lighter than it should be. their faces caked in dirt. nearly impossible to clean even if there was water. inside this tent is a mother and her baby who we met a short while ago who is one of the cases that's really struggling here. baby b the baby is 9 months old. he has diarrhea, is dehydrated and listless. his mother tells us. the only drinking water they have from a well is making everyone sick. it's been more than a month since they got here. after walking for hours. she clutches a photo of her dead son killed by isis two years ago for being in the iraqi special forces. he's dead and they took everything. they left me and -- this is the
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martyr's daughter. people are thirsty. unbearable, especially for the children in this heat. food is lentils and beans twice a day. there have been promises that international organizations were coming, the iraqi government would be helping. but this attempt to preposition shelter and humanitarian aid is providing no relief. as the front lines move towards mosul, people are making a run for their lives along different points. this group, three sisters in law and other male relatives, saw the opportunity when the kurdish peshmerga pressed forward. there are very few details they're willing to disclose publicly because of the sheer risk involved to their family members still inside mosul. but there's also potentially a very joyous moment here because two of these women were pregnant when isis arrived when their husbands had to flee and very
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shortly their littlest children are about to meet their father for the first time. they don't want us to follow them to film that. but making it out does not mean an end to the hardships people continue to endure. we were not able to provide them with the kind of services that they need because we simply don't have the land. and there is the issue of funding. 284 million was allocated during a flash appeal last month. but the money has not yet been released. already established camps have exceeded their maximum capacity. the debaga camp in iraqi kurdistan has mushroomed to five times the size it was in may. even with the expansions under construction in debaka, it's barely enough for the current backlog, and the offensive has not yet begun in mosul itself. we have a rough estimate. it can be anywhere between 1 million and up to 1.5 million people coming out of the corridor from mosul.
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so we're incredibly concerned and trying our best to deal with what might be the humanitarian c catastrophe of the century. >> reporter: preparing for a humanitarian disaster in the make should be as big a priority as preparing for the battle itself. and, carol, if those preparationings are not made, it potentially means that tens of thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of people are going to be left without food, water, sanitation, medical assistance, shelter. after having been through what is presumably a horrific unimaginable experience. they will be left to their own devices. >> arwa damon, reporting live from inside iraq this morning, thank you. cyberattacks believed to be the work of russian hackers. the target, the "new york times." but why? now she writes mostly in emoji. soon, she'll type the best essays in the entire 8th grade.
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checking some top stories for you. 20 people overdosed on heroin, some of it laced with elephant tranquilizers in cincinnati last night. so far, no one has died. at the same time last night just across the state line in indiana officials treated nearly a dozen people for the same thing. police are of course investigating whether the cases are related. north korea has testifiy fa submarine-base ballistic missile. it thrflew some 300 miles. the launch comes among the joint military exercise between the u.s. and south korea which kicked off monday. the fbi says russian hackers have a brand-new target. officials are right now investigating a series of cyber breaches at "the new york times" and other u.s. outlets. cnn's evan perez in washington
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with more. >> good morning, carol. some u.s. officials say what's going on here is a type of undeclared cyber war. law enforcement officials tell us that suspected russian spies have been targeting reporters at "the new york times" and reporters at other news organizations. now, u.s. investigators believe this is part of a broader intelligence operation. a spokesman for "the new york times" says the paper hasn't found any evidence of a breach of its external systems but there was an unsuccessful attempt to breach its systems in the moscow bureau. they believe these attacks are similar to recent ones, including cyberattacks against the democratic national committee and other democratic party organizations as well as think tanks here in washington. now, the concern about hacking reporters is that russian spies could obtain not only information about who reporters are talking to in the u.s. government but also details of their communications, and perhaps even stories that have not been published yet. now, there is some debate inside
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the obama administration about what to do about all of this. some officials want to publicly call out the russians and others are concerned about escalating the situation, carol. >> evan perez reporting in washington, of course, we'll be keeping an eye on the situation in central italy. 73 people so far have died there in a major earthquake. thanks for joining me today. i'm carol costello. "at this hour" starts now. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. hello, everyone, i'm john berman, kate is off today. we begin with the breakingews. the very latest on the powerful earthquake that hit the heart of italy. the death toll now stands at 73. but that number is rising. it certainly appears worse than perhaps first thought. rescuers and residents digging through the ruins, some with their bare hands, looking for survivors. it was a 6.2 magnitude quake. it hit in a part of italy away from urban areas.


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