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first introduced to congress in 1923. it took 49 sessions to finally get it passed in 1972. it was sent to the states for ratification but fell three states short. then in 2014 president obama signed executive orders aimed at closing the pay gap between women and men and the white house announced today that nearly 30 leading businesses have signed the equal pay pledge. but still today women make only 79 cents to every $1 that a man makes, although certainly that is something that has become debatable, i would say, in this current political climate. that is it for me. wolf is back on monday. wolf is back on monday. the news continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com brianna keilar, thank you, my friend. hi, everyone. i'm brooke baldwin. you are watching cnn. it is friday. we get to this. as if his trailing poll numbers were not enough, donald trump
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just piled more pressure really on himself for his next speech next week. he is expected to give full details on his plans for immigration reform next week in phoenix after voters are really just seeking clarity now more than ever after another day of some confusion over what exactly trump intends to do for the roughly 11 million undocumented immigrants living in this country. in an exclusive interview with anderson cooper just after we saw him speak there in manchester, new hampshire just about 24 hours ago, mr. trump seemed to backtrack on his flip-flop. backtrack on his flip-flop. you with me? initially he promised deportation forces would send undocumented immigrants out of the country. then this week he told a town hall he would work with those here illegally allowle them to pay back taxes. then he stressed to anderson
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undocumented immigrants would have no status. and as for deportation status -- he hasn't quite ruled that out. >> if they hant committven't co crime -- >> no, there is no path to legalization. unless people leave the country -- when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paying taxes. >> they still have to leave the country. >> there is no path to legalization unless they leave the country and come back. >> if you haven't committed a crime and you have been here for 15 years, you have a family here, a job here, will you be deported? >> we're going to see what happens once we strengthen up our border but there is a very good chance the answer could be yes. we're going to see what happens. before i do anything, i want to get rid of the bad ones. and there a lot of them. >> begin with chief political correspondent dana bash. i know you feel like this is ground hog day. the crux of the question we'll hopefully have answers next week, what will he do, what is the plan for the majority of
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those undocumented immigrants who have clean criminal record, mo have been in this country for years and years. >> the answer is we don't know because he says he doesn't know. which you could look at it as refreshing, but this is the core center -- centerpiece of his candidacy and was. he was even tweeting today, reminding people that he put immigration and illegal immigration more specifically back on the map for the republican party and it is hard to even imagine now a way back at the beginning of the presidential primary process the rnc and most of the candidates who were running as like sort of mainstream republicans, they wanted to move away from this debate because they were concerned that mitt romney and others in the past who had been really focusing on this issue, they hurt themselves deeply with hispanic voters and -- >> mitt romney was just on self-deportation which is several ticks away from -- >> right. that's a long way of saying he's
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clearly trying to evolve. he's clearly he said -- used the would have had soften this week. then used the word harden with anderson. i think what seems the most apparent is the policy is a work in progress. his rhetoric, he's trying very hard to make it more palatable and make himself more tolerant to moderate republicans and to independents and others who just can't fathom the idea of voting for somebody who they don't think is a tolerant person. >> i want to follow up how it is a work in progress on august 26 and how you think what has been happening behind the scenes may spill in publicly. stay with me. trump's recent shifting and unshifting on his immigration plans drawing critics out. even one ardent supporter issuing a warning, former vice presidential nominee sarah palin told the "wall street journal" this. she said, in part, "in mr. trump
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were to go down a path on wishy-washy conditions on things that the core foundation of his support has so appreciated, there would be massive disappointment. parts of that message we heard in the last week clearly are not consistent with the stringent message his supporters have received all along." that's significant. we need to loop back to that. matt schlapp is here, a trump supporter. cnn presidential historian, tim naftali, from united states and the cold war. cnn political commentator bill prest and dana bash. great to have all of you, happy friday. matt, you first, sir. >> why did i assume i was first here? >> i have love for you, matt. i enjoy having you on. let's begin with mr. trump. i think dana put it so well. essentially he maybe just
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totally know where he is right now on immigration. hopefully we all will have a better sense next wednesday when he is in phoenix. do you have a sense on where he is deportation force? legal status? if you don't have a criminal record? i mean do you have a sense of where he is? >> i watched anderson's interview last night, and i thought he actually made it very clear that there is no pathway to legal status or to citizenship or to any status if you have broken the laws and you are here illegally. and that in order to qualify for any type of status, you have to go home. you know what's interesting for me, brooke? i worked for president george w. bush in his first term. and it sounds very familiar to what president bush was talking about near the end of his first term where he say everybody -- everybody -- he's considered a moderate and a centrist on immigration. everybody who is here legally had to go home, fill out paperwork, demonstrate they can get a job, that they had
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proficiency in english and fill out all their paperwork. and then they could come back with some kind ever status after they were approved. people think this is very harsh rhetoric. it is actually very consistent with where a lot of republicans have been for a long time. >> but for those undocumented immigrants who have not broken the law and who have been here for years and years, what happens to them? i think that's where some of the confusion is coming. >> right. all i'm saying is what president george w. bush said in the early 2000s is everybody -- everybody -- who is here illegally had to go home. they called it a touch-back. you had to demonstrate to the american people that you understood that you had broken the law, that you had to demonstrate that you wouldn't be on welfare, you would have proficiency in english, that you couldn't be ah-hah bit ul law breaker and that you could get a job. these are very basic and common sense requirements. trump uses different rhetoric which causes people to draw different conclusions. but the policy itself is quite
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sane and i think a lot of republicans support it. >> bill, you were shaking your head. >> first of all, look. president george w. bush put forth a comprehensive immigration reform plan which was a good plan supported by republicans and democrats at the time, shot down by some right wing talk show hosts. it was a plan that president obama has picked up -- >> president obama -- >> no, it is my turn. it is my turn. okay? and -- and, donald trump does not stand for that at all, don't link him with george w. bush. here's the problem, brooke -- this is a total scam. there's no change. there's just talk of maybe a change. there is total confusion. i watched that interview last night. i listened to his last three speeches. i've listened to every interview he's given. nobody knows where the hell donald trump stands today on immigration. as far as we know, he is still for building the wall. he is still for a deportation force to deport 11 million
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people. he's hinted that might change. he hasn't changed anything. i think we are all just being sucked in to talk about something that's not happening. he is exactly where he is on his signature issue. and if he's not, then too bad for campaign because this is labor day and he better figure out where the hell he stands. >> i feel like i'm hearing two totally different things. you hear him use the word scam. even hillary clinton saying let's take trump at his word. let's believe what he said initially about mexicans being rapists and drug dealers. but yet -- >> i love matt. i love bill. and you both have good points. but let me tell you -- because i was there, covering george w. bush. >> yes. >> matt is exactly right. he worked very hard to do comprehensive immigration reform in 2005, 2006. guess what happened? it split the republican party open. and it opened -- it helped open one of the initial massive divides within the party through it the establishment versus the base.
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that was about spending, but there is a big, big, big problem and he didn't get it done. it wasn it it was was in part because of democrats. matt is right. people like barack obama did support amendments at the time that even some senior democrats like ted kennedy said don't do it. but that was from the left. that was a different issue. i guess the bottom line is that if donald trump is explaining and putting forward immigration reform that is like george w. bush, bye-bye sarah palin, bye-bye ann coulter and bye-bye a lot of the conservatives that matt knows very well that come to his conferences and support conservative candidates and not somebody like donald trump -- i mean not somebody like jeb bush or even a marco rubio. >> might he then be expanding the tent, if he sort of does that versus stays with the deportation force rhetoric,
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therefore maybe he loses sarah palin but grows others. >> i've learned not to predict in this campaign. >> you do history. >> facts. >> but i would like to build on what dana just said. if you go to the donald trump last summer -- year ago, and you follow him through just a month ago, the rhetoric he was using on immigration was is the rhetoric of the opponents to george w. bush. >> correct. >> the far right, what's now called the alt-right, the tough right, whatever you want. the people who hated the idea of comprehensive immigration reform because, for them, that meant letting people who broke the law get away with it. for others there was a racial component. but let's focus on the issue of breaking the law. that was their rhetoric. he endorsed it, embraced it, he used it. and those people powered him through the early primaries. then for a number of other reasons he ultimately wins. for him now to turn against them
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and to start to talk even a little bit like george w. bush leaves him without any base at all. >> leaves him without any base at all. >> any. because the other republicans don't like -- >> where are they going to go? >> matt, do you agree with that. >> no. here's what we're missing. all i'm trying to get to, everyone gets caught up in the words. politics -- >> well, words matter. >> they do, they do. but the policy underneath it has been consistent the whole time. the bright line test for the type of people that come to cpac, dana, it is this question of amamnesty. if you ka came to the country illegally and are able to just get a pardon -- >> but a lot of them think touch-back is amnesty. you know this. if jeb bush heard you say that george w. bush's policy is like donald trump's, i think he would be under the covers. >> dana, i talked to the bush campaign at the time. the fact is this. jeb bush made a mistake because
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actually what trump is saying on the bottom line is that you're going to have to follow the law. once you follow the law to the t, there is a chance here if you meet certain specifications. i think that strikes a very reasonable chord. let's start looking at the policies and stop looking at all the heat. >> i just want to many could back to the fact nothing has changed. donald trump over a year ago said build a wall, deport 11 million people. that's his position today. it has not changed. >> yes. >> it has not changed. >> i agree with bill. >> okay. we have trump next wednesday on immigration. let's recreate this then. stay with me. you are a fascinating panel. i have more for you. hang tight. coming up -- listen to this. >> what the hell do you have to lose? give me a chance. >> so we've heard that a couple of times. right? from mr. trump. now the clinton campaign is trying to seize on that line. what do you have to lose?
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using trump's own words to sway voters in the key swing states. plus, the trump campaign, for its part, digging in to clinton's past and her comments from the late '90s. remember when she talked about the super predators, even bernie sanders as recent as this debate cycle referred to that as racist. why that is all coming back up into the fold. also, did she put profits ahead of people. the ceo behind a life-saving allergy medication, epipen, is now speaking out. she is defending this massive and controversial price hike. her father, by the way, u.s. senator joe manchin also breaking hs silence. we will talk to a consumer advocate and a person who wanted to be the president himself, ralph nader. he's joining me to discuss live on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin.
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until the first presidential debate between hillary clinton and donald trump and if this week is any indicator, the potential for volatility is high. both trump and clinton have released political ads accusing one another of racism and bigotry. i've got a couple of ads for you. first up, this is a new clinton ad out today running in four swing states. >> i have a great relationship with the blacks. i've always had a great relationship with the blacks. >> what the hell do you have to lose? >> bringing my panel back. tim, to you first. this is a line she used in that speech yesterday, what do you have to lose. trump's line, her answer -- everything. again using trump's own words against him. effective? >> will it stick? >> hillary clinton has been most effective in my mind when she lets trump speak for trump. when she starts to attack him, it then looks like a brawl and
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americans don't like brawls. ads that use trump to describe trump i think would be more effective than her coming on and saying he is a racist. >> bill prest? >> first of all, i say score, hillary, we are not today talking about the clinton foundation, brooke, which we talked about two days ago. we're not talking about the clinton e-mails. i think she laid a trap for donald trump and he walked right into it. she said she was going to give a speech talking about his dog whistle campaign. he went out first, attacked her as a bigot and that's all we've been talking about ever since. so i think the idea that donald trump could stay on message, he's failed yet again. clinton scores. >> on the other hand -- hang on, matt. i know you've seen this ad often instagram from donald trump. roll it. >> they are often the kinds of kids that are called super predators, no conscience, no empathy. we can talk about why they ended up that way but first we need to bring them to heal.
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>> you called out secretary clinton for the term "super predator" back in the '90s. why? >> because it was a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term. >> so again, it is important context. she made the super predator comment in '96 when she was stumping for her -- during the election stumping for her husband's criminal justice reforms. you saw in the debates this past cycle when bernie sanders called it racist. so, dana, back and forth, this "you're a racist," "you're a bigot." >> again, what anderson was asking for that proof, he was talking -- donald trump was answering just broadly about how -- >> he wanted to pin him down on what group. >> exactly. this kind of specificity donald trump didn't have at his fingertips. he talked broadly about his new kind of line of attack that hillary clinton, like all
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democrats, have not helped the inner cities, they tend to run the inner cities across the country and they're in bad shape. but on the personal attack that he made against her calling her a bigot, he didn't have that at his fingertips. his campaign clearly did and they wanted to bolster what he was saying, that's why he put that out there. hillary clinton at the beginning of this campaign very explicitly said -- >> matt schlapp, he skipped over the bigot line during his speech yesterday. he used it again whether he was talking to dana. you have this instagram video. >> right. i think -- like i said, i watched this interview with anderson. what trumpl said at one point is
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her policies are bigoted. what ended up happening, this is a big conservative versus liberal argument, is since lyndon baines johnson we've had these great society programs which again bankrupted the country and look at the vulnerable communities, look at diverse communities. are they better off or worse off? they are much better off because we passed civil rights legislation and they were empowered with their constitutional civil rights which is a good thing that america did. but the policies these selves, these big spending policies have left the families feeling more vulnerable. trump has so say how hillary clinton has done nothing to reform or change. again i wish we would focus on these policies and less on these words. >> brooke, i want to invite myself to matt's next conference. >> you can come. >> i'll be glad to debate him on the differences for the african-american community between the policies for the
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democratic party and republican party. but that's not the issue here. the issue here -- if i may -- is donald trump called hillary clinton a bigot, as dana pointed out, without any specifics when pressed by anderson cooper. no specifics whatsoever. hillary clinton it not call donald trump a bigot but she said he's done some racist things. she came down with a treasure chest of things starting with calling all mexicans rapists, saying a mexican judge couldn't come up with a fair verdict. he's been sued by the department of justice for not renting to minorities, on and on and on, calling for a ban on all muslims, deporting 11 million people. where do you start? where do you end? i think that's a very telling indictment of the kind of campaign that donald trump has running ending with the hiring of steve bannon at his ceo who calls his website a platform for the alt-right, like saying all the alt-right are welcome in my campaign. that hurts, matt. >> i done think you can have it
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both ways. hsh went to the convention in philadelphia and said we shouldn't be using this harsh rhetoric and crossing these lines. her whole campaign is about using very harsh rhetoric for making all of us feel like a racist. >> deny -- deintony that donald trump did all the things or said the things that hillary clinton said. he said them all. >> on the next segment. >> let's go. >> quick button on the positive sit-down meeting with trump and senior staff yesterday. 30 seconds. >> bill was talking about steve bannon being now at the head of the trump campaign. he is somebody who has spent a lot of time, really his whole political career, not only running against democrats but the establishment inside the republican party so the open question when he took over was would the trump campaign still be working hand in glove with the republican national committee which they have been. the answer appears to be yes because i'm told that top staffers from the rnc came to
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new york yesterday, sat down with trump officials and i'm told by multiple sources that it was a very positive, constructive meeting talking about lou to go forward together to win battleground states. >> dana, tim, matt and bill, thank you all so much. appreciate it. coming up here on cnn, we'll talk to a hispanic who is also a republican who's actually the spokesperson for the florida republican party and he says he recently quit his job because of donald trump. we'll talk to him about why specifically and what he thinks about trump's new thoughts on immigration.
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welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we were discussing with the panel here, when it comes to donald trump's immigration plan, one thing hasn't changed. yes, he has always and still does want to build a wall, but on other specifics -- unclear. >> and there certainly can be a softening because we're not looking to hurt people. we want people -- we have some great people in this country. >> you know i got to follow up. you said on hannity, you used the word softening. >> i don't think it is a softening. >> but 11 million people are no longer going to be departed. >> i've said it is a heartening. >> on this inner piece of trump's campaign, his immigration platform, one could argue catapulted him through the primary process, landed him the nomination, galvanized his supporters, cemented his place as standard bearer here in this election cycle of the republican party. is he softening?
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hardening? one hispanic republican in particular would like to know. he left his job as spokesman for the florida republican party just a couple of weeks ago. at the time his departure spurred headlines as just yet another republican dissatisfied with his party's nominee. he said he left to avoid efforts that support donald trump. he is now the national press secretary of a conservative non-profit working on behalf of the hispanic community. so welcome. >> thank you, brooke. pleasure to be here with you today. >> excellent. pleasure is all mine. let me just begin with -- you tell me, why specifically did you leave your role at the florida republican party? what specifically about donald trump made you leave? >> yeah. well, there are several reasons but you're asking for specifics? i mean i'll say this. we are in a very unique election and with various issues. donald trump has come out with various policies. on immigration reform, an issue
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that's surfaced recently, it is very important in my opinion, but in the opinion of just americans across the nation, immigration stakeholders, that we actually have a policy when it comes to immigration that benefits the american people. when we talk about immigration reform we are talking about national security. that's where border security comes in but we are also talking about the economy. that's something very important for millenials, that's something very important -- >> what about you? what made you specifically -- was there one thing he did or said that made you say, see ya? >> yeah. like i mentioned, immigration for me is a very important issue. i think we have to have policies that address all aspects of immigration from border security, the visa system is very important. we are talking about how do we reform it. when a candidate, be it democrat or republican, be at local level or nationally, is addressing that issue, we have to make sure and i believe they have to be actually lay out a policy and concrete details. we can't have mixed messages when it comes to a key issue like immigration reform. they need a concrete message and
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policy that will actually benefit our system. >> all right. so on that concrete message, we've called you several times this week, to sort of nail down which day we would have this chat on tv. depending on what trump said that there are day and whatever way sort of the wind blows, you were feeling differently. one day he himself said his positions were softening. yesterday with anderson he said they were hard rning. where do you stand on trump right now? >> yeah. again, i mentioned earlier he's sending mixed signals when it comes to it. we're 74 days away from the election. but even beyond the election, it is just the fact that we have a broken immigration system. if we're not talking about the actual issues and policies and we're just focused on rhetoric or -- again, just the fact that we're so close to the election and we don't have a concrete plan from the candidate -- >> but what if we have a concrete plan from mr. trump next wednesday when he talks in phoenix? no one can speculate on what he will say but based upon some of his language this week, it could
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be, to use his word, softened. would that appeal to you? >> here is what would be a step in the right direction. if a policy speech he came ow and said, yes, we are going to have border security, but if he said we have 11 million people here undocumented, 43% of them came here legally through the immigration system. if candidates recognize these individuals came through high-skilled visas, low-skilled visas and because our immigration system is failing they no longer are able to contribute at the level that they should if our immigration a system allowed them for a pathway to legal status, they could continue to work and embrace the entrepreneurial spirit we have here in the united states. if donald trump came out with those policies -- >> then you could say yes to him? >> i think that's where a lot of people in the hispanic community and just stakeholders across the country could say this is the direction that we need to go when it comes to immigration
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reform. >> thank you. we'll loop back and see if you change your mind. appreciate your time. coming up next, the severe allergy treatment that a product called the epipen, its manufacturer raised the price of this drug 400% to just over $600. why did this happen, and what about people who need the life saving medication but may not be able to afford it? we'll talk to someone who wanted to be the president of this country, a strong consumer advocate -- ralph nader. he's on live next. i'm terrible at golf.
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people now are alert to it. there is a massive national petition under way started by a mother in connecticut. you can get the information on the petition by going to my twitter handle @ralphnader. we are starting to see pressure on the stock. of course that's the language these companies understand. mylan quit the u.s. last year, went to holland to incorporate, then had its tax residents in england in order to escape u.s. taxes. and this is the gratification that they produce for their biggest and most profitable market? so public opinion is coming down hard and i had think that's going to get mylan to back down on its list price. as cnn reported, the $300 coupon and trying to stratify consumers according to income, i don't think that's going to wash. >> i hear you on public outrage and the petition and the thousands of signatures also to
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your point be though, money talks when you are talking about a stock price. just on the other side of this, bresc is pushing back on another channel -- >> the reality is in the brand pharmaceutical market this isn't an epipen issue. had isn't a mylan issue. this is a health care issue. pharmaceuticals -- the irony is that the system incentivizes higher prices. >> let me also add this, mr. nader. her company is increasing financial assistance to patients despite the fact that the company said that it -- they are not saying they would lower the price. that's key. but, b, she's putting the blame, pushing back to insurance companies increasing -- she's saying it is the insurance companies who are increasing what consumers are paying. do you -- is there any part of that, the blame on the insurance companies, that you say is valid? >> well, i mean insurance companies obviously have their own gouging record. and they're reacting by increasing their deductibles as
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the price of the epipen goes up. but the basic root problem is the list price of the epipen by mylan corporation. and until they back down on the list price and not show a coupon here or a coupon there, we're not going to resolve this problem. they've got to back down under the force of public opinion, maybe pension funds that have stock in mylan can put some pressure on. maybe consumer groups can begin looking into mylan's otherwise non-epipen corporate practices. whatever it is. it's got to be the force of public opinion because there is no time to wait for some regulatory agency to start a lengthy process. it's got to be public outrage. >> i know. we should also mention, members of congress are calling on mylan to talk a bit more about this and to describe the price hike. we need to point out, her own father is a u.s. senator, joe manchin. final question, mr. nader, i just go back to the kids who need an epipen and parents who
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now can't afford it. what's your message to them? >> the message to them is to basically appeal for a subsidy, 100% subsidy from mylan corporation. they are on the defensive now and they don't like more adverse publicity. but that's a very short-term fix. the key is mylan could never get away with this in canada or western europe because those governments do not allow those kinds of gouging prices that basically say to vulnerable patients, pay or die. >> okay. ralph nader, thank you for your time and hopping on the phone with me, i appreciate it very much. >> thank you, brooke. >> you got it. coming up next, country music's finest. ♪ jolene, jolene, jolene i wrote "9 to 5" on these. . you got to have fallacies. >> yeah, that happened this week. pinch me. dolly par tore and i chatted
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♪ ♪ yawn and stretch try to come to life ♪ ♪ workin' 9 to 5 ♪ what a way to make a livin' >> the one, the only, dolly parton taking her rhinestones back on the road. she is right now half-way through her first full north american tour in 25 years. her brand-new release called "pure and simple" just debuted. here is a peek. ♪ ♪ every time i think about you i get chills along my spine ♪ >> i got to talk to dolly earlier this week. we talked music, we talked politics, and of course about donald trump and hillary clinton. >> dolly parton, nice to see you
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again. >> well, nice to see you. always. >> you are in the middle of -- you're half-way through your 60-city mega tour. you have this double album, "pure and simple" with dolly's biggest hits. you are celebrating 50 years with your husband. how are you doing all of this? >> i've always done it. it's a way of life for me. started singing when i was little when i was 10 on radio. moved on to nashville. >> you still write in long hand? >> i do. i have to keep those big old yellow legal pads and my pencil. i have to see my words written down so i can scribble and rechange them. >> with your schedule, what's kr crazier, your life or that of the presidential campaign. >> say about the same but not as nuts. >> on politics just briefly, hillary clinton used "9 to 5" in her 2008 run. your pal, kenny rogers, said you
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were like the donald trump of music. whatever that really meant, i don't know. but where do you stand on this election? >> right now? i just don't know. it's just the greatest show on television right now. >> you're watching. you're watching cnn. >> i do! i can't not watch it. even if it is fox television or cnn or whatever you are watching. but it is just crazy. right now i'm just not sure. it is the biggest reality show out there. i don't know where we're going to land but i think they're both nuts. >> we were just talking about like staying true to your roots and going home and you're out and about traveling or on buses and planes and you are talking to people. i'm curious just in conversations about what matters most to americans, what issue, what are you hearing from them? >> well, i think people just really would like to know what they're going to do for us with be rather than badmouthing each other and getting on with all that and stop acting like kids and let's talk about like what we really need, taking care of us and so i think people just
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want to have a feeling of security. it's just like political terrorism right now, they got us all scared to death about everything. it is like watching the o.j. simpson trial. you just believe whoever is up next, whoever testified last is who you believe. then you go on. i think people are just confused but we are a great country. >> you think america is great already? >> i think america's always been great and will always be great no matter who is in. hopefully whoever is in will do good by us. i just think we all have to work together and we will, and we have. we'll just have to pray hard for whoever gets in and help them all we can. >> you have a massive gay following. a lot of gay supporters. have you ever thought about marrying any of your gay friends? i was reverend baldwin last summer. this is why i'm asking. i was. would you be reverend dolly? >> i've never been asked to do that. i don't think i necessarily need to go that far. but i may go to the wedding.
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>> had he over high heels. >> oh. >> you know where i'm going. your lyric is "put on my tight dress, hair teased on my head, painted my lips red like adele." you named adele. have you met her? >> no. but i'd like to. i've seen a couple times in interviews where she mentions that she appreciates my music. when i wrote "head over high heels in love," just a girly type of song. when i start talking about what kind of makeup, i thought don't we all want adele eyes if we wear a lot of makeup. i love how she does her eyes. >> do you have a favorite adele song? >> i just love them all. i think she is fantastic. >> she is fantastic. i've seen her a few times. just i remember the first time i ever interviewed you, you've been so lovely to us and just you sang "jolene" with your nails. >> that was probably "9 to 5." but i can do it.
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♪ jolene, jolene, jolene >> when did women and equality -- >> that's 35 years ago. >> 35 years ago. >> that was about "9 to 5," equal pay for equal work. we've come a long way. we're doing good, we got a woman that could go in the white house. we've certainly come a long ways in that respect. >> dolly parton, thank you so much. >> thank you. >> i appreciate it. >> all right. thanks. dolly parton. dolly parton! walmart, by the way, has a special version of her album "pure and simple." cracker barrel has a deluxe edition. coming up next here on cnn, back to politics here. donald trump clarifying his remarks on immigration but is he, as sarah palin said, being wishy washy? let's talk about that coming up. ?
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we roll along on this friday afternoon. i'm brooke baldwin. you're watching cnn, thank you for being with me. to this race for the white house. as if his trailing poll numbers were not enough, donald trump pile on a bit more pressure really on himself ahead of this huge immigration speech next week that he's expected to deliver next wednesday in phoenix. voters are also now seeking clarity really now more than ever after another day of some perceived confusion over what exactly mr. trump intends to do about people living undocumented -- about 11 million of them -- in this country. first, let me say some sound. in an interview with anderson cooper after the speech in manchester this time yesterday
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trump seemed to backtrack on his flip-flop. backtrack on his flip-flop. let me explain. initially he promised deportation forces would accepted these undocumented immigrants out of the country. but earlier this week then he told a town hall he would "work with those here illegally, allowing them to pay back taxes." and now trump just stressed to anderson in that interview that people in the u.s., undocumented immigrants, would have no legal status. as for deportation force he's talk about for months and months, well trump hasn't quite ruled that out. >> 11 million who have not committed a crime, they'll have a path to legalization. is that right? >> you know it is a process. you can't take 11 at one time and just say, book, you' boom, . we have to find where these people are. nobody knows if it's 11. it could be 30 or it could be 5. tell you what, we know the bad
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ones, where they are, who they are. we know the drug cartel people. we know the gangs and the heads of the gangs and the gang members. those people are gone. that's a huge number. >> if they haven't committed a crime is there going to be a path to legalization? talking about citizenship. >> no. there is not a path -- there there's no path to legalization. when they come back in, if they come back in, then they can start paid taxes. >> if you haven't committed a crime, you've been here for 15 years, you have a family and a job here, will you deport them? >> we'll see what happens once we strengthen up our border. but there is a very good chance we could say yes. before anything happens, i want to get rid of the bad ones. and there are a lot of them. let's begin this hour with maeve reston, cnn national political reporter. again to repeat, anderson said it, approximately 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country and the majority of them haven't committed crimes. many of them have been here for
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years and years. the question to me seems, what will mr. trump do with them if he's elected president. yes? >> yeah, brooke. i feel like we need a flow chart here of some kind to figure out which direction donald trump is going on this. but remember that when he outlined his immigration policy early on in the primaries, he was very specific about a deportation force saying that you could do something like what eisenhower did in 1954 where you rounded up people and put them on buses and sent them by boat back to mexico. clearly he is backing off that idea and part of the problem with his idea about a deportation force is that he's never addressed what the costs of this would be. i mean it is extraordinarily expensive according to experts that you talk to. or what would happen to essentially about 5 million immigrants, children, who are legally here in the u.s. who
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have at least one parent if they were deported. so there is all kinds of questions that he hasn't addressed and didn't address during the primary. i think he is getting a lot more scrutiny now obviously because it is a one-on-one race between hillary clinton and donald trump and he can't wiggle out of these questions without explaining how much this is going to cost, what he is going to do, and so we'll see what he says in this immigration speech on wednesday. some aides also said might not be a new policy speech. so there is a huge lack of clarity here and it may be in his interest to keep his ideas on this pretty muddy. >> maeve, stay with me. let me keep your voice and bring in a few others. with me now, donald trump supporter chris kovac, also secretary of state for the state of kansas. democratic congressman gregory meeks and cnn political
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commentator, s.e. cupp, a republican commentator who does not support mr. trump. chris, let me begin with you. you are so jermaine to this whole thing because you helped devise and draft the plan. maeve says you need a flow chart. but can you explain to me and the rest of us what trump's plan is with the 11 million? >> sure. i would just say as a point of clarification. this week when he had that interview on another network couple days ago which people -- some people took as a softening of position, he used some ambiguous word. soften softening. people jumped and drew conclusions.
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in the interview with anderson coop ker he said it was the sam position he's had all along, no amnesty for the 11 million. there is a false dichotomy that some people use. they say you either have to deport them all or let them all stay. but the answer is you deport a large percentage of them and many people will go home on their own. that's what happened when eisenhower did so back in 1954. that's whpd when the federal government after 9/11 had a more limbed focus of people coming from countries with al qaeda presence. many people left on their own. i think what trump is saying, yeah, we'll bpick a number, but it may not be 100%. >> chris, when we talk about going back, we were discussing last hour george bush and the touch-backs. i feel like we've heard some iteration of that coming out of mr. trump has mentioned. is that potentially part of the
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plan? >> yeah, i think so. the reason it has to be or at least has to be in some way part of the plan -- when i say touch-back, i'm not talking about you literally touch the home country an then come right back. talking about going to the home country and being eligible to get in line behind everybody else and come back after a few years, however long that line may be. the reason that kind of has to be part of it is you have to give an incentive for illegal aliens in the united states to make the calculation themselves. well, maybe i better go home, i'll get in line, i'll try to come back in a few years. if you don't allow them ever to come back then many will try to stay in the united states and keep on evading law enforcement. you have to at least offer a possibility of coming back. >> chris, i'll come back to you. >> s.e., you talk to a lot of republicans, you are a republican. you are wondering where mr. trump stands. you just heard chris try to lay it out. do you feel enlightened? >> first, let me just say only trump and his supporters look
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back on operation wetback with nostalgia. most people generally agree that was an incredibly inhumane moment in our history and it was the darkest of our times, not the brightest. but there is no spinning trump's way out of this. centerpiece of this campaign from the second he descended that escalator in trump tower was they're all going home. he said it over and over again. he said it for months. it's why some trump supporters like ann coulter and sarah palin are very nervous and disappointed in trump's new words which are indeed different to say that some will stay. for some republicans, that's the definition of amnesty. and whatever side of the immigration debate you fall on, it is really difficult to explain that allowing some undocumented immigrants to stay is not a total reversal of position and is not amnesty. >> you mentioned sarah palin. she talked to the "wall street
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journal." this is what sarah palin said. if mr. trump were to go doumpb a path of wishy-washy position taken on things that the core foundation of his has so appreciated and that is respecting our constitution and respecting law and order in america, then yeah, there would be massive disappointment. those trump supporters piled up behind him during the primary process because this was his cornerstone piece, they may fall to the side. congressman meeks, let me turn to you as the democrat, the hillary clinton supporter. even as recent as yesterday hillary clinton was saying take mr. trump at his word. when he initially descended the escalator and made the speech and referred to some mexicans and drug dealers and criminals. but on the flip side if he does soften, that could be troublesome for you all. >> not troublesome for me. because clearly what donald trump is, is a con man. what a con man does, he'll say
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anything generally for your money, in this case for your vote. he conned his way into getting the republican nomination and now he is trying to flip around and sometimes he changes his mind, not in a matter of months, but a matter of days and sometimes a matter ef minutes. and so what he's doing is -- >> what if he's evolving? what if he has a new campaign manager and new chief of his campaign and perhaps it is a different strategy for him. >> he's evolved before. he's changed campaign managers, he's changed personnel. it is the same donald trump. and it is the same thing. so he's showing you who he is and what happens with a con man, either you get away with the conor you get caught. i think what is starting to happen, he's starting to get caught. you can't keep conning yourself all the way through. that's what he's done thus far. >> kris, respond to your guy being called a con man. >> well, look, i'm as conservative and law enforcement oriented as they come when it comes to the illegal immigration issue. if i thought donald trump were changing his position i would be very upset and wouldn't be here
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defending his position. i think what you have is a person who is running for his first political office in his life and one of the things that many people like about trump is that he doesn't speak in well rehearsed phrases where he always goes back to the talking points he's been griffin. he just speaks from the gut and he'll speak off the cuff and use phrases that are ambiguous. right after that interview he came back and said, no, this is what i mean, we're still on the same position he's been talking about all along which is, yes, we are going to make sure that the 11 million eventually go home and whether that means you deport them or give them incentives to go home, bottom line is they are going home. in conclusion i would say, voters are going to have a real choice here. hillary clinton is saying very clearly she wants amnesty. trump says no. hillary clinton says no wall, trump wants a wall. trump wants the continued low-level of enforcement, trump wants to ramp it up. voters have a clear voice and that's a good thing for the american political community. they can see where the two stand. there is no question trump is
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taking a much stronger law enforcement position than hillary clinton. >> someone he really clashed with, especially when you watch the two on those debate stages was jeb bush. now you have other republicans comparing what mr. trump has been saying to a jeb bushesque sort of immigration plan. jeb bush was on the radio yesterday, just want to play a snippet of that. >> the simple process is a path to legal status. not a path to citizenship. where you pay a fine, where you work, where you don't receive government assistance, where you learn english, and i pay your taxes and over an extended period of time you earn legal status. >> that seems to be what he is advocating in many ways or what he's suggesting. >> well, i'm sure i influenced his position. >> that's jeb bsh's poliush's p. >> jeb bush wasn't building a wall. jeb bush wasn't making strong borders. i'm not knocking jeb bush but i was with him for a long time. >> maeve, you started this, i'm going to end with you here.
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you heard the response there with mr. trump with anderson but, a primary is one thing, a general election you have a much broader, much wider audience. isn't there sort of this sense of a gravitational pull. i'm listening to kris closely on what he's saying trump believes. but what do you make of a potential moving? >> i just think that we're back to the same place that we were with romney when he tried to explain self-deportation. so far what trump has articulated doesn't have any steps laid out about how this would actually all work. it is going to be incumbent on him on wednesday to explain what this policy is. >> okay. sorry, somebody just got in my ear. we'll end it there but we have some sound -- let's end it on something light because it is a friday. i have five words for you. stephen colbert, tim kaine, harmonica. go.
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mpb mpbls. welcome back. i'm brooke baldwin. in the fight against isis, kurdish fighters are gaining grouped in mosul and iraq. the iraq army has vowed to liberate by the end of the year. this has never been iraq's fight alone. cnn's senior international correspondent arwa damon met not just one but two americans who are using their medical training to save lives on the front line. their challenges are enormous.
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it is a chaotic frantic effort on this day, compounded by a language barrier, different culture and significant lack of resources. >> reporter: john, a trained emergency medical technician from syracuse, new york is volunteering. pete, of borden town, new jersey is a former marine turned medic who works with a non-profit providing medical training and assistance. there is no advance warning when a casualty is coming in. no time to prep for the next one arrives. >> the toughest thing about being out here as a combat medic is when your patients don't live. >> come on, man, stay with us! come back to us, man, come on! >> sometimes we can't fix everything. i think that's the hard part for me personally. you want to save everybody, but you can't. >> there is a breakdown in
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communication between us, coalition forces, peshmerga. it is difficult when you're trying your best to work on someone but just the rest of the system isn't there. or it is not working properly. >> reporter: they both say they have comfortable, happy lives at home. was it guilt? >> guilt or sense of purpose. sometimes those overlap. somewhere in the middle. >> i can help people at home, for sure. i do. and i feel good for what i do there. but here, that feeling is much greater. peshmerga need significant help. they need training. they need actual combat medical unit. people are throwing ammunition and guns at this place all day long. that's not saving lives. >> when i think of isis, i think of ckamir rouge, nazis.
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of this's been carrying this war on their backs without nearly enough support. people at home are worried about shootings an everything and isis is involved there. and they don't have a clue. it's like a day in baghdad or in syria. it is very horrible. >> reporter: arwa damon, iraq. >> arwa damon, thank you so much for that. coming up next, it is a race against time in the hunt to find people who are still potentially trapped in all that rubble as hundreds of aftershocks now continue to rattle central italy. we will take you there in the thick of it live. also ahead, senator john mccain's primary opponent, kelly ward, she is an m.d.
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>> john mccain is falling down on the job. he's gotten weak. he's gotten old. i do want to wish him a happy birthday. he's going to be 80 on monday and i want to give him the best birthday present ever. the gift of retirement. >> so you think he is too old to seven in the senate? >> you know, i think anybody who's been in washington for almost 40 years has been there too long. >> but you brought uphis ge. that's a tough attack. >> well, i mean i'm a physician. i see the physiological changes that happen in normal aging, in patients again and again an again over the last 20, 25 years. so i do know what happens to the body and the mind. >> you're diagnosing -- you feel comfortable diagnosing him on air like this? >> diagnosing him as an 80-year-old man? >> h yes, i do. >> a mccain spokeswoman has fired back with this. let me quote her. "at the end of campaigns, desperate candidates too often end up embarrassing themselves by launching dishonorable, personal attacks. it is unfortunate that kelly ward has chosen to end her
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campaign with desperate fictions. the people of arizona deserve better." i should also point out the latest cnn/orc poll shows 55% of likely republican voters support mccain, 29% support kelly ward. joining me now on the phone, kelly ward, arizona candidate for sfaenate, kelly, welcome. >> hey, brooke, it is great to be with you. i think it is interesting to lorna says about dishonorable personal attacks. they've been doing it for over a year attacking my record, my character, my integrity, seeking to prop up an 80-year-old senator and keep him in washington for some reason. >> let me just stop you, kelly. i think it's -- listen, this is politics and it is perfectly fine to attack a record or an issue. but my question is, where in the u.s. constitution does it say you are too old to serve in congress? >> oh, it certainly doesn't. mainstream media attacked john
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mccain over his age eight years ago when they implied he was too old to be president. john mccain himself -- >> we're not talking about eight years ago, kelly. >> john mccain said i don't want to be one of those old guys who should have shoved off. and megan mcgacain, his own daughter on television says her father is depressed, downtrodden and she has concerns about her own father seeking another term. >> but kelly, i'm listening to you, but again let me go back to my original question though. where in the u.s. constitution does it say that you are too old to serve in the u.s. senate? does it say that anywhere? >> nowhere. >> why is that a valid attack? >> it is a valid attack because term limits are in order. people have -- >> that's why he's rerunning. >> john mccain has stayed in washington, d.c. for way too long. almost four decades. and we need new excellent policy
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ideas. they have to come from outside the beltway. we need new vision. john mccain in nearly 40 years hasn't delivered what people are crying out for in this great country. >> kelly, you just pointed out how long he's been in washington. people have been re-electing him precisely because they do believe. but i'm with you on term limits. that's precisely why we have term limits in this country for folks like you to challenge him. but let me point out, term limits as part of the conversation when you look at the polls -- again, most recent cnn/orc poll showing you are down by 26 points, is this a desperate move? kelly. >> brooke, brooke, brooke, the desperation comes from the mccain campaign releasing a poll that doesn't poll anybody under the age of 45 and doesn't -- >> kelly, i'm not talking about that poll. i'm talking about a fair poll that cnn/orc poll shows you are down 26%. >> the cnn poll -- brooke, the cnn poll. look at the cross tabs. no one under 45. no one in rural arizona.
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it is a bogus poll that yoef estimates the republican -- the general electorate in a primary. it is a desperate move by an incumbent seeking to maintain the control and the empire that they have created. this is the year we are going to send a message to washington, d.c. that has never been heard. we, the people, want someone of, for and by the people, and it starts by electing someone of the people. and that's kelly ward. >> kelly, stand by. dan nowicki, you're listening to my conversation with kelly. i'm curious how this attack on senator mccain's age for some time now, how has that resonated with voters in arizona? >> well, thanks, brooke, for having me on. but i think it is kind of a tough sell to voters just because they know john mccain so well.
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regardless of what you think of senator mccain's policies or his positions, arizonans see him every day. he is very energetic. he keeps a very heavy schedule and work load. i think of maybe any of the senators out there who are maybe getting a little bit up in years, mccain might be the toughest to make that attack stick. >> okay. let me also just point out, we know mccain took the unprecedented move, releasing his records in '08 allowing media to look at some 400 pages, eight years of medical records. showed cancer-free, strong heart, generally good health. kelly, let me pivot back to you. let's talk politics just briefly. i know you are a trump supporter. we've been talking a lot this week about mr. trump and his stance on immigration. we know in arizona, in phoenix, we he's talking next wednesday for his big immigration speech. there have been calls for him to
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clarify, as he himself used the term softening his stance this week, this was the center piece what he ran on in winning that nomination. what do you expecting to hear next wednesday? >> i'm excited to hear what he has to say. i know he, like me, wants to mix the mortar to fight the border. his invade the world, invite the world foreign policy, john mccain's and hillary clinton's has put this world at risk. it's put our country at risk and it's put arizonans at risk. i personally don't feel safer since john mccain has been in the united states senate in 1987 when i graduated from high school. we weren't at war in 1987 but since the time he has been in the senate it's been war, war and more war and people are weary of that war which is why they're ready for a change in the united states senate. they're ready for a new day. they're ready for a new voice. they're ready for a new perspective. that's why on tuesday dr. kelli ward will become the republican nominee for the united states
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senate from this great state. >> dr. kelli ward, thank you for calling in. i appreciate it. arizona senate republican candidate here, in a race against senator mccain and dan nowicki from the arizona republic, thank you. we will watch it closely. coming up, a sitting governor is apologizing after leaving a vulgar voicemail for a fellow lawmaker. we'll tell you what he said and why he wanted this message to go public.
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wednesday's devastating quake in central italy. death toll now stands at 278. these rescue teams are franticly plowing through massive lots of rubble just hoping to find any sort of survivors who could still be trapped. frederik pleitgen has been there for days and days in the town of amatrice. it is about 10:00 your time. what's going on? >> reporter: well, there's still frantic searches hoping to find any more survivors here. obviously the rescue crews know, they're pushing about 70 hours of that 72-hour time period what they believe it is most likely they could still find survivors. quite frankly, today we haven't seen any survivors that were pulled from the rubble. however, we were here when at least one body bag was brought out of that area that you see there right now where all the rescue crews are working. they're also still being very much hampered by those aftershocks that are going on. i would say that's the biggest
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problem that the crews face at this point in time. they have a lot of heavy equipment that they are working with but every time there is an aftershock all of them have to scramble to safety, at the all have to go away. then it takes a while for them to get back and start working again. . course, every time the rubble also shifts making it more dangerous for them to go back. another thing that's also happened, brooke, which is also a big problem for search and rescue guys here is that the aftershocks have been so strong that they've destroyed two access roads to this town here which is hardest hit by the earthquake. local mayor ace if one more access road gets taken out by an aftershock this town will be completely shut off from getting supplies in here. crews working against the clock. we are really pushing that time limit of the 72 hours where it is still possible for people to survive under the rubble. we haven't seen any rescues yet. certainly they know it is a race against time and that's certainly the mode that they are in right now, really working very, very quickly doing all
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they can in the hopes they might be able to pull off some miracle rescue. brooke? >> crucial, crucial window. fred pleitken, we'll stay in close contact with you, thank you in amatrice, italy. coming up the governor of maine not mincing words leaving a profanity-laced voicemail for a lawmaker in his state. we'll tell you what the heck he said.
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all right, even more racially charged rhetoric consuming the trails today. this time though not talking presidential race but in the state of maine. the outspoken republican governor there, paul lepage is now apologizing after leaving a profanity-laced voicemail for a lawmaker in which he accused said lawmaker of calling him racist. we have bleeped out the worst of it, but before we play it for you, his comments are vulgar. >> this is governor paul richard lepage. i would like to talk to you
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about your comments about my being a racist. you [ bleep ] sucker. and i want to talk to you. i want you to prove that i'm a racist. i've spent my life helping black people and you little son of a [ bleep ] socialist [ bleep ] sucker. you -- i need you to just friggin' -- i want you to record this and make it public because i am after you. thank you. >> okay. the charges of racism here stem from lepage doubling down on comments he has made in the past. he blames black and hispanic dealers for flooding maine with drugs. phil mattingly is on this one today. wowza. couple of bleeps. he says go out and make it public. >> it was the thank-you at the end that i thought was the most interesting part. you nailed why this all started. right? this is about the opioid crisis in maine which like many
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northeastern states has been ravaged by this issue. paul leepage doubled down on hi comments earlier this week in a town hall talking about, he said 90% of the people he sees that were arrested on heroin charges are hispanic or black. now we've asked the campaign -- or his office for those numbers. there is nothing that correlates that that we've seen publicly. but that's what people responded to. democratic lawmakers, civil rights groups were responding to that. they weren't calling him racist. they were saying they are racially charged comments. lepage heard it as it was conveyed to him he was being called a racist. hence his remarks and he followed up that voicemail by talking to reporters and saying he wished it was the 19th century because he would challenge the lawmaker to a duel. and he would be aaron burr, not alexander hamilton, in that. now you mentioned that he did apologize. sort of. his office put out a lengthy statement today where he said being called racist is the absolutely worst, most vile thing you can call a person. so i called the state lawmaker
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and used the worst word i could think of. i apologize that to the people of maine but i make no apology for trying to end he went on in his statement to say he plans to stop everything that state lawmaker does politically and legislatively going forward if he can. >> is this just part of his reputati reputation, a tough talking cover. when he endorsed donald trump earlier this year, he said i was trump before trump. upsetting all of the democrats in the state. he once said that president obama could go to hell. at the end of the naacp meeting he said they could kiss his butt. this is his mo battling back and
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forth. typically they don't ask for them to be made public and that's what he did. >> we got a little sneak peek, i guess. thank you, thank you. coming up here, the u.s. government says he stole navel security secrets for a decade. why did it take so long for the government to chaatch this chine spy? ... that is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. yeah. now, you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right? no. your insurance rates go through the roof. your perfect record doesn't get you anything. anything. perfect! for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. and if you do have an accident, our claims centers are available to assist you twenty-four seven.
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the u.s. government learned that someone was leaking top navel security secrets from the inside. the year was 2003, and on the next episode of "declassified" we see how the u.s. ewent undercover to bring spies to justice. >> we have to follow principals,
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policies, and laws. one of those is we have to have the evidence. our gratest fear was will we catch him doing what we thought he was doing. >> the thing that hit me the hardest about this case is we have a man that came here for better opportunity, and in fact was a spy. sent by china to come here, pledge allegiance to the united states, and he took an oath with the intention of betraying it. and he was willing to put our men in danger. that's why i wanted to catch him, and to protect our people. >> joining me now, the man that helped take him down.
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gunner, nice to have you on. >> thank you for having me on, brook. >> what a story. agents were going through chi's trash every week, you made the breakthrough. tell me about the handwritten note you saw. >> yeah, we did use a lot of trash covers, and trash covers are a dirty business. but one day, jesse brought those notes back to us and she had them laid out on the floor like a jigsaw puzzle and she said can you help me over here. i said are you kidding? and i just saw three letters that meant something to me which was ddx. and that is the next generation of the nave eye decemby destroy. >> that told you everything you needed to know. what did he tell you? >> initially he told us, he had
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a number of stories. he talked about giving away power distribution systems. in one case, it was was the navel system that allows ships to work together in a group to fight off 100 threats at a time simultaneously. we had not been able to do that in the past. now the chinese are able to do the same thing. >> you mentioned that example just then. what else in terms of damage did he and his family do to the u.s. navy? >> well, the important piece about the submarines and the power distribution system, we were afraid he would give away the drawing that would give signature data to the chinese. any time a submarine passes through the data, it displaces a sound or a elect troe magnetrom
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pulse. if the chinese were able to get that signature data. they would be able to track our submarines. they have creating that safety zone. >> i was on an aircraft carrier a few months ago in the gulf. watch "declassified." we're going to send it to you early, "the lead" with jim sciutto starts now. >> thank you, brook. tim kaine just accuse donald trump of pushing, kkk ideals.
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>> i would like to talk to you about your comments about -- >> that is a sitting united states governor leaving a voicemail, and wait until you hear him angry. uber lawsuits, the biggest privately held company in the world, why are they losing money and will it affect your ride home. >> trump seems to have just walked back from his hard line immigration position, the one he used to brand all of his primary opponents. and the one that enabled him to remake the republican party in his image. today donald trump is walking back -- his walk