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that does it for this edition of 360 thanks for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon is next. 55 days to go and it is neck-and-neck. the latest polls giving us a snapshot and the doctors giving us a look at the candidates themselves. this is cnn tonight. i'm don lemon. with less than two weeks until the first presidential debate,
donald trump is making strides in our latest cnn/orc poll. trump holds a narrow lead over hillary clinton in ohio. the rivals locked in near-even contest in florida. and in the statistical dead heat nationally in the latest quinnipiac poll, meanwhile, hillary clinton recovering from pneumonia, releases a doctors letter that reveals new details about her diagnosis and her overall health and donald trump addresses his health in the trump-iest way possible speaking to tv's dr. oz. >> why not share your medical records? >> i have no problem in doing it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. should i do it? [ applause ] >> the doctors are in tonight i'm going to ask the experts what this means. here to discuss, cnn's chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta, and public professor, he's a public hillary clinton supporter. >> thank you so much. >> could this get any weirder?
the clinton campaign released some additional medical records before we get to the trumpy-iest of ways that donald trump did it. what did you read into the hillary clinton release? >> it's another medical letter. it's all this back and forth, are they going to release records. it's another letter similar to the letter in july of last year. it's got more detail, don it. talks a fair amount about this recent episode with pneumonia and talks about the fact she had a cat scan for the pneumonia and antibiotics and for various reasons over this year, she is she's had a cat scan of her lungs, the one i just mentioned, and a scan of her heart although she has no evidence of heart disease, and one of her brain. that's important because back in 2012, she had this injury to her head -- pardon me -- i guess it's going around. >> are you good? >> thanks. >> dr. lemon. >> that's important because -- >> she doesn't have any neurological -- doesn't show any neurological issues?
>> cognitively, she's a lasting -- the cat scan looked to have no abnormalities according to the letter. and let me ask you about that, dr. oz, because this is dr. lisa bardack, she had a small right middle lobe pneumonia. how serious is that and what's important in these records? >> what happens, don, is somebody will get a upper respiratory track infection and descend into the lungs and if people get more symptoms, more coughing and a low grade fever, and it's period of time tent if the symptoms become more severe, to investigate to see whether there's collection of infection which we call pneumonia and she had one -- a small one in the areas of her lungs. that's basically it. i've seen many patients, especially over the last couple months i've seen the same kind
of situation, but it happens to be one that responds to antibiotics, extra fluids and rest and people get better and they get back to whatever it is they need to do. we're ranking quite a bit one of the most common illnesses and it's been handled perfectly well. >> i got an e-mail from the former head coach of lsu, saying i heard people on your show talking about pneumonia as if it's a cold. i thought it was something that's extremely serious. he didn't realize how common it is for someone to have pneumonia. >> it can be serious, to be fair, right? >> of course. >> people can end up in intensive care, but there's pneumonia, and there's pneumonia, people refer colloquially to the walking pneumonia. >> a lot of people get pneumonia and don't even know they have it. the other key thing about this, lisa bardack is a very well trained physician taking absolutely perfect care and if you look, sanjay mentioned the letter from 2015, the next letter from a few days -- from
today, actually and what we see is a very competent description of a person who has been thoroughly taken care of, and i'm contrasting that to whatever that piece of paper was that donald trump showed that indicated somehow he had a medical example. >> we're going to get to donald trump. >> i can't wait. >> from dr. bardack, she indicates this scan hillary clinton had, because. sinus infection in 2012, i would imagine. given all of these conspiracy -- about her fall, i should say, back in 2012. does this settle any event, the brain scan? >> the conspiracy theory had no merit but to the extent people want to say look is there an updated cat scan or some sort of imaging of her brain, was there some bleed or something like that, that occurred or whatever, and that was i guess part of these conspiracy theory. perhaps. there were so many of them. there is no evidence of that
looking at the cat scan. i'm looking at a report, and what they said was there was no abnormalities found on the cat scan of the brain. there's not a shred she's anything other than on top of her game. smart, effective, gets her work done. i remember when dr. rudy giuliani announced some special situation she had. she had spokes people trying to defend her medical situation or attack it and it's just off the wall. in all honesty, you look at the video, sunday, even before the video, you could see her walking. she appeared to be -- that something was wrong, she wasn't on top of her game. but here this looks very, very disturbing. >> it is disturbing but that's what happens if you get dehydrated and you have a febrile incident or you're in the heat, this can happen. you have the fever, an illness, the flu and you are standing out
in the heat. it can happen. this happened to me. i think she recovered very quickly from this and there's no evidence after a very through exam by a highly competent physician she's got anything other than what her doctor and she have been saying. she had fever, pneumonia, back on the road. >> now let's talk about donald trump, in the trump-iest of way in front off an audience on the dr. oz show revealing medical information this morning. what does it tell you? anything? >> we don't know anything yet. it was pretty theatrical, we do know that. >> did you speak to dr. oz? >> i spoke to dr. oz today. dr. oz is a heart surgeon, a well regarded cardiac surgeon. so i asked him specifically about the heart stuff, were there any concerns. he said specifically there were reports he had seen including a ct scan of the heart, an echo cardiogram of the heart, including an ekg and the
cholesterol and whatnot. and i said were you concerned, and he said everything looked good for a man of his age, and he had no concerns. if you bring that up, the heart is one area that you'd focus in on certainly and at least from dr. oz's perspective interpreting the results that were handed to him by another doctor who interpreted the results, he was not concerned. >> he provided a one -- a brief one-page summary of his medical record on the show. before you respond, let's watch. >> why not share your medical records? >> i have really no problem in doing it. i have it right here. should i do it? i don't care. [ applause ] should i do it? it's -- it's two letters, one is the report and the other is from lennox hill hospital. >> may i see them? >> yeah, sure. >> those were the reports from -- these were all the tests just done. >> what did you make of him revealing his medical records in this format? >> it's highly unusual.
>> extremely unusual. >> can you call it medical records? >> i wouldn't call it anything other than a piece of paper. we don't know what was on it. it can be the same rhetoric in the original letter supposedly from his private doctor. but i don't know what to make of it and i don't know what dr. oz was thinking as he was handed this piece of paper. let's just assume he's trying to make the best of it. i think we don't know much more than before. i do want to point out, don, what we really want to know about a candidate for president, do you have something that is going to impair your ability to fulfill this office? do you have anything that is kind of a medical time bomb that's going to impair your ability to function, to make the decision you need to make and all of that? i think probably neither candidate does. we don't know what is in trump's records but let's assume there's nothing like this, there's no time bomb in there, there certainly isn't any in hillary clinton's records. i think we need to move on and stop talking about their medical issues and talk about the american people's issues. which is really i think what we
are going to want to know at some point. let's stop this back and forth with what happened with hillary. we now know. and i don't actually care that much about trump's medical record. i do care about what he's saying -- what he's going to do for health of americans and the healthcare system. >> if you allow us one more question, he said today that he feels the same as if he was 30 years old, let's listen to this. >> let's talk about stamina. you used that word a lot and you made it an issue in this campaign. you argue the president has to have a tremendous amount of stamina. if elected at age 70 you would be the oldest person to enter the oval office. why do you have the stamina? >> just about the same age as ronald reagan, and hillary is a year behind me. i would say just based on my life. i've had -- i actually -- and i don't know if this makes sense, i feel as good today as i did when i was 30. >> he's 6'3" tall, he weighs 236 pounds although from the audience, and during the taping he said 267 pounds.
i looked it up on the medical website, the desired weight is 152 to 199, 200 to 239 is over weight if he's 267, that would be obese from 240 to 311 pounds so what do you make of that? [ laughter ] >> i'm with erwin on this. it's all kind of strange. he says he feels like he's 30 years old, who knows. i wish i felt like i was 30 years old. to erwin's point, there's certain things you're looking to try to determine if someone is fit to lead. do they have a cognitive dysfunction, dementia, or mu
musculoskelet musculoskeletal. i don't think they have any of those types of conditions. it would be nice to see those records, because some times you don't know what you don't know. and nevertheless we've seen them for the last 18 months and they seem like they're fine. >> is this adding further stigma to people who have illnesses? it's interesting to me because i know a lot of people who are sick, and it feels like, you know, it's terrible that you may have to take a cholesterol medication. >> yeah, yeah. >> millions of americans have to do that. why are they stigmatizing someone who may have a common illness? >> it's ridiculous. we are focusing much too much. i've known hillary clinton since 1990 and worked with her in 93 and watched her in the senate. i've never seen a more hard-working person with as much stamina as that woman has. >> i'm glad you brought this up. you can have some of these illnesses and recover well and still be able to have a very functional life. we should not be stigmatizing. >> i personally testified to that, sanjay. thank you doctors, i appreciate it. when we come back, donald trump making strides in our new battleground polls. how worried should hillary clinton be?
two months until election day, and recent polls show donald trump leading in ohio and florida. cnn national correspondent looks at the numbers. >> two cnn polls, two battleground states, donald trump has momentum for president. in the state of ohio, no republican wins without it. donald trump must win ohio, at the moment, he's up five points, 46% to 41% for hillary clinton. the third-party candidates getting a combined ten. why is this happening? here's one reason, in other battleground states hillary clinton has benefited by winning among college-educated voters. in ohio, donald trump has a lead and he's trouncing hillary clinton among white class working voters.
hillary clinton is losing these voters. it is a plus for donald trump. hillary clinton needs a gender gap and needs to win it up big with women voters because the republican usually wins among men. only a two-point advantage for secretary clinton in this ohio poll with women. that's a problem for her. let's move south to the biggest battleground in terms of electoral college votes, 29, florida, and the numbers look similar. this one's a little bit tighter inside the margin of error, 44% -- 37% for trump, and 44 for clinton. this is the closest race between since 2012 between obama and romney. and if you look at this education gap we've seen in other battleground states, not like here in florida. donald trump winning among white college graduates and trouncing white college educated voters. one other point, hillary clinton is the democratic candidate trying to succeed a two-term democratic president. if the president's disapproval
rating is a majority as it is in ohio and florida -- they don't like the president so much. he is under water in politics, in other states we've seen the president above 50%, she does better so the obama matters, as well. so polls in ohio, how do they effect the electoral map, if the election were today, secretary clinton would win. dark blue is solid democrat. so if donald trump won florida and ohio, based on those new polls, there's new poll showing him winning in nevada, even that would not be enough for donald trump to win the upon presidency, he has to turn one of those blue states red. virginia, michigan, pennsylvania, watch if we see more state polling. look for those gender numbers. look for those education numbers. donald trump has momentum, not quite enough. >> john king, thank you very much for that. i want to bring in our chief political analyst, gloria borger, and senior political analyst, david gergen.
and mark president -- mark preston. thank you so much, everyone. how worried, gloria, should hillary clinton be about these battleground numbers? >> worried. and i think they are worried about them. she had a big bounce coming out of her convention. it's clear evaporated more or less, and battleground states tend to rise and fall together and she's having a little problem with them right now. i was looking at some of the internals in the poll numbers john was talking about in florida and ohio. what struck me was how behind she was compared to barack obama in 2012 with younger voters. she's 13 points behind where he was in the state of florida. that's a lot. >> and that helped him win. >> it really helped him win. she needs to get bernie sanders out there on the trail, helping her with those younger voters. that's going to be very important to her. >> on the double. when you look at the national polls, mark, and cnn's poll showing ohio and florida trump
leads, she's lost a lot of ground since the convention. donald trump, he clearly has the momentum now. >> well, yes and now. he has the momentum where he has kind of stabilized where he is at. she has really dropped. she was up eight coming up out of the convention nationally, and that tracked with the battleground states but what we're seeing and not only in our two polls, in iowa and nevada, that are not good at all for hillary clinton at this point, it's all trending right now, and while there's 55 days left, and clearly what we saw from john right there, she would win today given the electoral map, the trend is not going her way. >> are we seeing people who you know were maybe a little bit adverse to donald trump because they weren't so sure about him and now he's sort of appears to have stabilized with this new team, that these are republicans who are coming on board saying okay maybe we can -- >> i think we're seeing a natural coming together of a republican party that has been incredibly fractured throughout the whole year.
>> david, clinton has had a rough few weeks since trump changed his campaign team. he's been pounding her on the foundation, the e-mails, largely avoiding making major mistakes and she had this deplorables comment and the pneumonia episode. what does she need to do to turn this around? and can she? >> win the first debate. everything is going to come to that debate. we're going to have some back-and-forth'ing over the next 12 days or so. that first debate becomes all important. a couple things, don. in the background here, is that as you say, he's running a much more disciplined and smarter campaign, more interesting events than what he's had in the past, and i think that has helped him. but also, this -- both candidates have allowed this campaign to drift over and center on the question among the populous, which one do you trust more? which one do you like more and that's the basis on which you're going to vote. she could easily lose that question. what she can win on is who is going to do more for the country
who has an agenda for the future both home and abroad that's going to make you more safer and prosperous. she has a better chance of winning that on the substance than on the likability situation. >> donald trump had a rally and talked about clinton's health. listen to this. >> do you think this is easy? oh, you think this is so easy? in this beautiful room that's 122 degrees? it is hot and it's always hot when i perform because the crowds are so big. i don't know, folks. you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't know. i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> not a good look, gloria? >> not a good look. first of all, i don't think it's ever a great idea to complain to the voters how tough your job is when you run for president,
i think that's what he was doing. saying kind of like i don't need this, but it's 100 degrees and this is really hard on me. >> he's actually said i don't need this. i could save a lot of money and -- >> right and they're standing there, too and it's 100 degrees, by the way and they're there of their own volition, i might add, and it's like they've kept him under wraps to a degree, and tonight you saw a little bit of the donald trump coming out there, kind of chomping at the bit, to go after hillary and then he -- and then he pulls back. >> uh-huh. >> because he knows it's not going to help him win if he attacks her that way. >> i want you to stand by, we'll be right back and continue our conversation.
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a key house republican telling cnn hackers are now targeting republicans. back with me, gloria borger, mr. preston and mr. david gergen. mark, mike mccall told wolf blitzer hacking as well as democrats. do you know anything? >> he had to dial that quickly w in about 30 or 40 minutes saying that on cnn he was saying it was republican operatives and he misspoke.
he didn't say who the republican operatives were. >> i would like to know. >> i would like to know as well. and the rnc on multiple occasions said in fact they've never been hacked. let's stop for a moment. i think we live in an age we have to realize we're all being hacked and i spoke to somebody in the government about a year ago and said don't ever e-mail anything, because the bottom line, the chinese and the russians are looking at your stuff and he was very serious. >> i just saw the screening of snowden, so now i'm paranoid and the tape over my camera and everything. >> i'm never e-mailing you. >> so everyone, this is the thing that everyone's been talking about, besides the way donald trump released part of his medical physical whatever, it's about the hacked e-mail from the former secretary of state colin powell. i'm going to read a little bit of it. in one e-mail powell called trump a national disgrace and an international pariah, and said yep the whole birther movement
was racist and trump appeals to the worst angels of the gop nature and poor white folks. and easy been troubled by the american standard. >> do you think? i feel badly for colin powell because these were personal e-mails to his personal friends about his personal political friends. >> we all talk crap about people. >> and he said some things about hillary clinton, too, i might add. so colin powell has not endorsed and he clearly doesn't like donald trump. that's -- that's very clear here, so you know -- and he didn't comment today about this, but just to echo what mark is saying, we've seen hacking, you know, at the -- at the republican -- at the democratic national committee maybe among republican operatives. i'm old enough to remember when watergate burglary was a big deal. >> yeah. >> that was a burglary. >> right. >> this is the same kind of thing. >> right.
a cyber attack. >> a cyber burglary. >> and i think we all need to be concerned about it. >> go ahead, david. >> it's disgusting and colin powell has been badly violated. >> you know him personally. how is he reacting to this breach of privacy? >> i haven't talked to him, but i know in person, i know him reasonably well and i can tell you, to echo both gloria and mark, colin powell has grown increasingly concerned about the country and about our falling away from the standards of leadership we should be setting in the world and here at home. he's very disturbed about the trump -- what the trump candidacy represents, what it symbolizes and you know he's someone who lives in the foreign policy community where this has been a high concern for a long while now, for several months but beyond that, he's also deeply concerned about race relations in the country, and this is a man who's troubled and i think he's taking out some of his frustrations in his e-mails, but they should be protected and i don't know what we need to do,
but it's not just corporations anymore. when individuals can be hacked like this, and when they are private e-mails, we're going to shut down the kind of discourse that normally takes place in a civilized society, of course people say stronger things in private than they say in public, as they should. >> exactly. >> but he shouldn't be held -- we shouldn't -- he shouldn't be blamed for anything here. >> of course not. >> i think it's disgusting. >> the question is though, mark preston, is it going to have an impact on the race, because he also spoke about -- he criticized hillary clinton and said everything hrc touches she kind of screws up with hubris and wrote in an e-mail exchange with konz leeza rice, benghazi is a stupid witch-hunt. have any effect? >> i don't think it's going to have little if any impact on the election for this reason alone, colin powell, republican served loyally with the bushes, but to david's point really has taken on this grander role that has
surpassed politics. quite frankly, republicans really the hard right of the republican party, they don't like colin powell, because he endorsed barack obama, twice. i don't think this is going to have a huge impact and i don't think he's going to endorse hillary clinton publicly. i think he'll sit on the sidelines. >> that was my question. you don't think he will? >> i don't think so. i mean, david would know better than i would. he's a friend of mine and i'm paraphrasing, she's a friend of mine and we would prefer not to vote for her. and she has a long track record of a great resume, but i think she said had very little impact. she wasn't a change-maker or trail blazer. >> but i think him saying benghazi was a stupid witch hunt doesn't help the republicans. >> she wasn't transformational is what he said. >> right. >> i think the benghazi witch hundred thing doesn't help republicans who have been doing congressional investigations into benghazi, and you know i think that it's something that democrats will clearly use for
her. >> hey, david, i want to ask you about this. john mccain has called putin a thug and a butcher. and there is also concerned about, "new york times" is report i reporting about that he said donald trump's unacceptable acceptance or flattering of vladimir putin. this is upsetting obviously john mccain and others in the party. where does this take us? what impact does this have? >> well, i -- i have been very worrisome to the foreign policy community because as this race tightens -- >> especially when russia being accused of taking part in the hacking or being behind the hacking. >> that's right. we don't know what's happening but i do think it's very worrisome that we have a leading candidate for the president of the united states who argues as tom freedman pointed out, it's absurd to argue putin is a better leader for the world than barack obama.
putin is taking his country do you know the drain. the country is falling apart. people are not living as long and they've got this expansion of foreign policy and for donald trump to embrace that and salute his leadership is very distressing. >> thank you, david, thank you, mark. a great documentary. >> thank you. i can't wait to get home and watch it on dvr. coming up, donald trump making a big splash talking to dr. oz about his health but will he release more detailed records? >> plus, why a pastor cut off the candidate's criticism of hillary clinton. >> oh, okay. okay who's with me? i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. i'm in. ♪ ♪ one, two, - wait, wait. wait - where's tina? doing the hand thing? yep! we are all in for our customers.
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hillary clinton releasing new information today about her health and pneumonia diagnosis and donald trump talks about his recent physical with tv's dr. oz. you can't make this up. here to discuss, andy dean, a trump supporter, and maria cardonna, and cnn political commentator, bakari sellers, a clinton supporter. hello to all of you. shearsly, you can make this up. i was watching today going, is this happening.
andy, with regards to medical records with donald trump, will they match what secretary clinton has released to date? >> i think i'm missing a big piece of this. donald trump isn't the one that's, let's be frank, collapsing like a rag doll and being thrown into an unmarked van. something is going on that's very real, at not a conspiracy, and i don't think he should be releasing his medical record >> he shouldn't release his records? >> i think he is going to make a one pager or medical results to dr. oz, and it's going to make for some great must-see tv. >> you seem incredulous about this, maria cardona. >> yeah, because it's donald trump. what has he said before we can really count on he's going to follow through. look, the fact of the matter is there has been a huge fault
equivalentsy throughout this campaign in terms of transparency and disclosure. hillary clinton is probably the candidate we know the most about in politics in modern history and donald trump has been the least transparent and the one we know the least about, both in health records when you compare the letters we got from their doctors and the one from -- the letter that we got from donald trump's doctor read like a page out of mad libs. it was a joke, it was a farcing to voters. let's see what he puts out tomorrow. what we have seen from secretary clinton is real health history, the medications, her blood pressure, her respiratory rate, her heart rate, ekgs, all of that which is what voters need to know. >> i have to give that to maria cardona. how do you argue against that? there is more information. when she says transparent, there are -- she's given over her taxes. donald trump hasn't done that. she's given more medical argument.
how do you argue against that? >> none of these candidates are going to a thinker party doctor. they are both going to their personal physicians, and your personal physician is your advocate. no doctor is going to say, my patient really treats their body like a spring-brake rental car. that's not going to happen. voters are going to look at what they see and eyeball it and make that determination for themselves. >> they need to do something in order to do that. >> ultimately, we're the ones that decide if they're fit enough to be president. it was relevant in '92, when paul song was running for president and he was battling cancer and said he was given a clean bill of health, relevant with john mccain, after spending all of those years at the hanoi hilton, so voters will make that determination. >> bakari sellers, do you agree with that? >> yeah, because it's relevant now, donald trump will be the oldest sitting president if he's elected and hillary clinton will be the second oldest. so it's very relevant today. just sit back and look at where
we are. i was reading about false equivalencies, i was reading today where headlines were saying that donald trump and hillary clinton give us a peak into their medical records. that's not the case at all. we were actually going by audience statements who were there watching dr. oz who is a television quack. that is what we were watching and -- >> that's a little harsh on dr. oz. >> that's what we were going by. >> easy. >> that's what we were going by. we -- no one actually has the tangible results from his physical. >> he's a very respected cardiologist. >> he's a respected guy and -- >> he's not conrad murray. >> the fact of the matter, he didn't examine donald trump. he has not been donald trump's doctor. he has no idea what this means -- >> donald trump isn't collapsing. >> -- vis-a-vis. donald trump is 70 years old. donald trump is over weight,
donald trump doesn't exercise. >> he is not the only one. donald trump loves to eat junk food. i mean, this is something that voters need to see, and deserve to know. >> with the taco bowl and the mcdonalds. let me say this. in all seriousness, this is what he said. his doctor said he would be the healthiest person ever elected and on dr. oz he said he didn't exercise and said he wants to lose at least 15 pounds at least and he's on medication to control his cholesterol. that doesn't sound like the healthiest individual, if you're doing that. as a matter of fact, he said 236, the audience member says 267. if he's anywhere in that range, for a 6'3" man, he's over weight if he's at 236, and if he's at 260, he's obese. that doesn't sound, andy, as the most healthiest and fit person. >> don, first, look, he looks fantastic to me and i'll tell you this, he is getting exercise in the sense he's flying to two or three different states a day and he walks these lines and shakes voters' hands and he's
moving his arms up and down. he may not be doing the bowflex. >> andy, are you really saying that. i mean, come on. you can eyeball someone and tell what their medical history is? come on, andy. >> i will tell you this, if i could, maria, donald trump has been in two or three different states every single day, seven days a week talking to crowds, meeting with people, whereas hillary clinton has kept herself many weeks at a time at small fund-raisers with elite donors. and then she collapses like michael spinks. >> she had pneumonia. who complained about having to be at a debate for three hours, sweating, leaning on the lectern. and who was the candidate whoan do you remembered three hours of non-stop questioning. >> so just a reminder, this is what trump tweeted in late august and he said, i think that both candidates, crooked hillary and myself should release
detailed medical records. i have no problem doing so. hillary, so does going on dr. oz, is that -- does that cut it? >> no, why do we expect anything else? donald trump has been running circles around the media. this is a troubled part for the americans today. this is the media's job, this is the journalist's job that when someone evades you, you have to get to the truth. you can't just sit back and take it for what he's worth and chase down audience members. you have to continuously press these candidates over and over again. donald trump did not give you a peak into his medical records because not one journalist has the results of those physicals in their hand, so we want medical history in a detailed medical report. what donald trump did was a farce. he's been doing at this time whole campaign. >> you sound like every conversation i've had today, and last week, when i go to a dinner party, you just summed up every single conversation that i've had. i'm sick of having it. we're going to talk about it when we come back.
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today, donald trump in flint, michigan, he was asked by a pastor not to give a political speech, let's listen. >> hillary failed on the economy. just like she's failed on foreign policy. everything she touched didn't work out. nothing. now hillary clinton -- >> mr. trump, i invited you here to thank us, not to give a political speech. >> okay, that's good. i'm going to go back. okay. >> andy, that was a little awkward. >> you know, i apologize. i couldn't hear that in my ear, so maybe somebody else can comment. >> sure, andy. >> she went on stage and said you're not here to do a political speech. do you think that was awkward? >> it was the beauty of live tv.
this campaign one long awkward moment and that's why we love and watch and follow it. he was going into flint, michigan, not a republican area, and not that typically gives fop many votes, and he's up there talking about issues that concern them and sometimes you go into your stump speech when you're doing those sorts of things and i don't think it hurts them. i think people give them props for going to flint. >> donald trump was -- go ahead, bakari. >> they don't give them props for going to flint. >> he was recognized in flint for his outreach to african-americans. >> it's not a democratic or republican issue. this is an issue of injustice. this is about environmental injustice. in justice, about environmental injustice, about a community where the kids can't even drink the water. this is not a democratic or republican, or red or blue or
white issue, this is about fundamentalists, and donald trump doesn't get that and that's why he had a hard time connecting to that church today and don, you know this growing up in baton rouge, you get to the pulpit and you say protocol having already been established and you go in and talk about what you're going to talk about. donald trump crossed that line today and that pastor said, no, no, no, we're not doing that in this church today. >> is he missing the mark, maria? >> yes, and i thought it was a thing of beauty for this pastor to stand up and take a stand against somebody like donald trump. it took guts on her part to do it and it does underscore what bakari said, is this is a candidate who does not understand his audience when he is outside of his comfort zone of his normal audiences, so in terms of giving him props, you could say he didn't have to go there and he went there, but clearly what he tried to do was use flint and the injustice in flint and the audience and the church goers as props and the pastor was not having it and i
loved it. >> don, if i could. remember flint, michigan, like many inner cities in america, have been run by democrats for decades and donald trump has courage to go there -- >> but andy, stop real quick. >> no, no, no. >> okay, go ahead. >> it's a republican governor, it's a republican governor, and it's a republican legislature, and those are republican leaders who have been indicted, so do not try to -- >> it's a city water issue. >> do not try to -- where do you think they get the water from? >> how do you think they have some infrastructure gets there? >> the city itself has been run by democrats and if i could, donald trump said something very, very important today and if i could, this is a quote from one of his speeches and he said, in the old days, they used to make cars in flint, michigan and you couldn't drink the water in mexico, now they're making cars in mexico, you can't drink the water in flint, michigan because
gm has moved the small production car facilities out of michigan into mexico. so when trump went to flint, michigan, he was talking more about the water, but just as important, he's talking about jobs. >> and that line, andy -- >> that's absurd. >> that did not go over well at all. >> i think it makes a lot of sense. >> how does that get fresh water into flint, michigan? >> i'll tell you why. bakari, i will answer. >> please. >> all the jobs have been leaving michigan because of democratic policies, collapse the economy. when the economy is out and there's no money to repair bridges and waters and dams. >> oh -- >> you're going to tell me now -- first of all, it's a -- i have to keep going back and harking on the fact that there are republicans who have been indicted and mayor karen weaver who has been doing an amazing job, but you can tell me donald trump's infra~ structure plan. does he have one?
>> he's been building infrastructure his entire life. >> to enrich himself. >> we asked you about an infrastructure plan, andy. >> donald trump has an infrastructure plan, first we're going to build the wall, second repair our highways and bridges and flint, michigan is an example, when there's water crisis, we're going to fix it. >> you seem to be consequently forgetting it was the obama administration who saved the auto industry in michigan, and was able to save the jobs of millions of auto workers there, and has brought back the auto industry -- >> john, go ahead. >> manufacturing has left america. >> there are some issues. they're not federal issues. they're saying what donald trump is going to do to fix the crisis in flint, michigan, these are ruled by one-party rule. the democrats have ruined big cities across america. when you don't have two competitive parties going against one another, you have corruption, and malfeasance, and absentee landlords.
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crucial battleground states as we count down to the first presidential debate. this is cnn tonight, i'm don lemon. as the race tightens we're learning more about hillary clinton and her diagnosis, while trump reveals new information with tv's dr. oz, and says this in ohio tonight. >> i don't know, folks, you think hillary would be able to stand up here for an hour and do this? i don't know. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> plus, have you ever wondered what colin powell, what he really thinks? now we know courtesy of his leaked e-mails, calling donald trump a national disgrace and an international pariah. that hurts. and what does he say about hillary clinton, quote, everything hrc touches she kind of screws up with hubris. and that's not all he says. we've got more tonight. so here to discuss all of this