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sunny las vegas, i'm brooke baldwin, you're watching cnn's special live coverage hours ahead of the big night tonight. it will be four years until we're headed to the next presidential debate. this is a city. vegas, baby. a city world renown for its prize-winning fights. it defies -- the prize tonight couldn't get bigger. just a couple hours from now it will be donald trump versus hillary clinton in this third and final presidential debate and listen, you know this, you've been watching this coverage for months and months. the gloves came off long ago but no presidential candidate in modern history has taken the pummelling of scandal after scandal, the controversies that donald trump has taken alone and the damage is indicated in some of these polls, so much so that cnn's brand new electoral map reveals a dominating road to victory for hillary clinton. we'll talk about that. despite, though, everything he's been facing, if donald trump has proven anything this election, it is the fact that he can and
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often times does defy expectations. let's begin with sara murray, she is here as well in vegas standing outside the debate hall. listen, it's so cliche, stakes couldn't be higher, everything you can throw in but it's true, especially when it comes to mr. trump. >> well, that's right, brooke, when you look at how devastating our electoral map is for donald trump right now you have to look at this debate as the biggest most high-profile opportunity donald trump has to really turn those numbers around so he has to walk off that debate stage feeling like he delivered a performance that's not only going to excite his base but that will have picked up new voters for him and that's why when you talk to his allies in these battleground states, they want to see him move past these allegations of sexual misconduct, not take the bait every time hillary clinton tries to needle him and focus on his message that he's the change agent. that hillary clinton is a politician of the past, that she won't change anything, that she would go in and drain the swamp
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is what he's been calling it, turn over washington and put a new face on government, but the thing that gives so many people pause is they don't know if he can resist taking the bait. if he can keep it together and stay on message and, frankly, brooke, they don't know if he wants to. if he continues to take the bait on every issue, select the kind of moment that doesn't turn things around although it's hard to imagine the polls could look worse than they do at this point. >> i know a lot of his supporters like seeing the fight in him. but policy should be center stage. sara murray, thank you. we've just heard now from ivanka trump today. she's talking about her father's campaign. this is ivanka trump's reaction when this interview began with a question about her father's comments, the vulgar comments on the bus from private. >> you called your father's comments on the "access
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hollywood" tape "clearly offensive and inappropriate" and said you were glad he had acknowledged that and apologized but i'm sure you understand that many people were not just offended by the language, they were offended by the actions he was describing. were you? >> way to warm up. [ laughter ] thank you, nancy. it's lovely to be here in california. [ laughter ] well, i think my remarks were clear on this front, i did find it to be offensive. he acknowledged it was as well. this tape was over a decade old, i'm sure he didn't remember this conversation but was very embarrassed by it. he expressed that not only to me personally but the american people and appreciate he did that. i think it was very, very important for him to have done so. >> did he -- what did he say to you father to daughter about that? >> well, he recognizes it was
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crude language. he was embarrassed he had said those things and he apologized. that's not language consistent with any conversation i've ever had with him. >> also something else we heard from ivanka, she said she believes her father l accept the outcome of the election no matter what. let's talk about this and more with molly ball who is here with us, political writer for the "atlantic," senior media correspondent and host of "reliable sources" brian stelter, mary catherine ham and dana bash. so nice to see all of you. jumping off of ivanka's comments. she reiterated no matter what my dad will accept the outcome of the election but memo to ivanka trump, her father has been saying the whole thing is rigged, why spread voter fraud. >> it's hard to say, the think the voices of reason in that
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camp has been ivanka and kellyanne. they seem to be people with quite a bit of influence from what we can tell from raiding this campaign which is an an enigma. a lot of the talk is boosting of the base and i would hope would be done with on election day if he loses. >> i think it's even more than them as the voices of reason. they are trying to influence him through the media. >> publish wish casting. >> publish wish casting. that's exactly right. >> how do you mean? >> it's not the first time people around donald trump are kind of at thewit's end trying convince him to do or not do something and they don't find success in the normal channel which is telling him face or face or on the phone so they try to do it through the media to make it so. that's so fascinating and hard
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to wrap your mind around. not only is it low level staffers, this is his campaign manager and daughter that clearly seem to be be wanting to do this. because the concept of a rigged election is so controversial, it is making so many republicans uncomfortable for so many reasons that we've bullpen talking about over the past few days. it seems like they're trying to telegraph through us, please, dad, please, mr. trump, don't do this tonight. >> with all of that and trying to understand what's going on with the trump campaign, listen, we had to hop on planes to get out to vegas so last night, what does a good journalist do when they spot the ceo of the trump campaign sitting in front of her? you walk out of the six-hour flight and you say "hello, mr. steve bannon, i'm brooke baldwin, nice to meet you" and you pepper him with questions and he politely walked along with me and brian was on the flight as well and you joined in some time later and i'd be curious your thoughts.
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i first said to him -- the news had come out that president obama's half brother who supports trump would be there as a trump invitee. and he said to me. >> oh, broo-- he said "oh, into that's just an appetizer." and i said what do you mean? do you mean more women? and he said we won't have juanita broaddrick. i said of that same ilk? he said yes. i asked him why would you want to do this? he said to expose the sordid past of bill and hillary clinton and the final note i took away i said what if donald trump loses? there's been talk he wouldn't concede. >> right. >> this is when you jumped in and he said "brooke, have you been to the rallies? have you seen the crowds mr. trump draws?" he said his answer on november 9 was "lock her up." >> he was repeating what the crowd behind us is saying. if kellyanne conway is on one side, steve bannon is on the other side. steve bannon would seem to be encouraging this talk of a rigged election. he said at one point during the
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conversation he really -- trump really, really thinks he's going to win. this is by no means a lost cause for donald trump even though he's eight or nine points down nationally so my sense from our conversation with bannon was that he is going to through the kitchen sink at clinton with whatever he's got. >> what strikes me about that is it's not just politically ineffective because i think these types of attacks about things that happened decades ago don't resonate with voters but it's so clumsy. saying in advance that you're going to do this, do they really think hillary clinton will be somehow taken aback and off her game? >> what about republican voters who may be holding their noses over mr. trump and nothing unifies republicans like attacking the clintons, whether it was yesterday or 15 years ago, maybe that, perhaps -- >> i don't know, i think there's an opportunity cost here where you're putting so much energy and attention on these stunts that haven't worked in the past. i don't think those attacks are totally invalid, just not
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effective. what could be effective is knowing the facts of the late-breaking scandals with the fbi quid pro quo, with the wikileaks, bringing those to bear on her in a real way on the stage live because she's prepared well for the other stuff in the past, she's only had this short time to prepare and he could go after her effectively. do i think he's ready to do that? i'm not sure. >> that's what we've seen. along the lines of the conversation we were having earlier about how impossible it seems to be to influence donald trump, he hasn't shown the type of discipline to prepare for the debates so these attacks are a substitute by that for the campaign. >> but i want to add and maybe for viewers who might be going "why are they making such a big deal out of talking to steve bannon, the ceo of the campaign, on the plane"? and the reason is because he has not done any interviews. >> he reminded me of that. casual conversation en route to baggage claim. >> he prides himself as living
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in the breitbart -- they don't call themselves this is but the breitbart alt-right media world where they like to be behind the curtain and rage against the establishment. right now he's using donald trump and his support for donald trump as a vehicle for that so the fact that you were able to talk to him, that's why this is -- >> appreciate him answering questions. >> he spends his time at the offices of the "national enquirer," he spends his time with trump giving advice. what was striking to me was his comment about the rallies. look at the rallies. look at the anger. trump is not starting thing aer, trump is just taking advantage of it. >> by the way, on that note, what do you think happens to the anger once somebody gets elected president? i mean, listen to this crowd. >> people are angry and that's where i think it is somewhat disingenuous to say it's just out there and trump has nothing to do with it. as the leader of this movement -- >> exactly. >> and he has called himself the
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leader of a movement, it's up to him to decide, do i tell these people that it's okay, whatever happens in the election? or do i continue to stir this up and to inflame it? that's really his role, he is a leader of this movement. >> i have covered john mccain's campaign, he lost, he did that. he conceded. it's time for everybody to focus on the presidency. al gore to who to this day believes he won the election and it was stolen from him, he did that and so it is the fundamental backbone of how this country works. it's a peaceful transition from one president to another and the fact that steve bannon, his answer to what happens on november 9 "lock her up" is very alarming to a lot of people. >> well, the pressure is on chris wallace. chris wallace has to bring this up. he has to challenge trump on the rigged elections. i think he needs to speak on behalf of america and our system of democracy and hold trump accountable. >> but also challenge hillary clinton on everything to your point earlier. >> but there's a flip side on
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having rallies and citing the anger at the rallies, which is real, and treating it as a real thing and also relying on that as your campaign strategy. that's the road to losing and that's what they cite often as justification for their lack of strategy and the things he's saying on the trail, it's a double-edged sword, i'm not sure either side is good. >> mitt romney was having rallies bigger than this by the end of the 2012 election. every candidate has enthusiastic supporters three weeks out from election day. it's one thing to say he thinks he's going to win. every candidate does, you can't keep the faith and keep going if you don't somehow believe that in your core that you have the possibility to win. the danger is, do you become so diversed from reality and in this alternate media universe that when the reality is presented to you you refuse to recognize it. >> refuse to accept. >> it gotta go, great seeing you on the plane, thank you, my friend, thank you all very much. some breaking news involving -- we mentioned this a second ago.
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this is about the map and the math. this is the electoral map. cnn's numbers have been crunched. the race now looks a lot different and trump may be none to thrilled about it, we'll discuss. plus, caught on tape, new video shows a democratic operative apparently talking about inciting violence at trump rallies, calling trump supporters psychopaths and saying they're easy to "pop off" from dems. we here in vegas, cue the unlv marching band. we'll be right back.
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s. welcome back. you're watching cnn's special live coverage from the campus of unlv. yup, we here in vegas. i'm brooke baldwin, thank you for being here. this is the final day, hours away from donald trump and hillary clinton facing off in the financial presidential debate. we do have breaking news involving the cnn electoral map and it shows clinton's lead is widening. what's changed? good question. arizona moving from a lean-republican to battleground state, utah moves from a solid republican to battleground state. florida moves from battleground to lean democratic and nevada moves from battleground to lean democratic. let's talk all this over with david chalian, cnn's political director. so here you have the addition of four states that are potentially hillary clinton friendly. >> and all the moves you just
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went through, brooke, are towards hillary clinton's direction, utah is about a third-party candidate evan mcmullin but it's away from donald trump is the way it shows that. my big take away is that hillary clinton number 307. you only need 270. right now every state that is leaning her way or solidly in her camp today's snapshot. he's got such a big hole and some states like florida and nevada we move because we see it trending clinton. that's mission one. he's going to have to start and bring those back into battleground territory. >> when we talk about the ruby reddest of red like arizona, they voted republican for everyone but clinton in '96. the chalian cheat sheet, sir, what are you watching for? >> the first thing i'm watching for tonight is the trump rattle. how is he going to try to rattle
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hillary clinton? he did the press conference with bill clinton's accusers, what does he v up his sleeve? what is the surprise that he'll shake her confidence. that's the first thing. the second thing is clinton on defense. i know that sounds odd. she enters this debate with such a formidable position in the race, it's her strongest position in the entire general election campaign. >> but? >> but so much has come out in the last few weeks on the benghazi e-mail and classification between fbi and state. on the podesta hacked wikileaks released e-mails that show us the inner workings of the campaign. james o'keefe video her campaign has had to respond to and even talking about hypothetically going in to incite violence against rallies is not something democrats should do. so there are micro things she'll be on defense for and she went want to spend much time on that. she'll want to set her vision higher and reach out to republicans and independents as well. the third and final thing i'm
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watching for is fitness for often. >> it's one of the themes. >> it is one of chris wallace' topics and i think that section will be the most important of the debate because this is it for donald trump, we talked before the first debate that this was his mission, still a majority of voters didn't think he was temperamentally fit to serve. that had to change. it hasn't changed. he's done nothing to change it since that debate and tonight is his last best chance? front of tens of millions of americans coming together at the same time to try and cross the threshold that leaves the voter with the notion of, yes, i can see him in the oval office, i can see he has the right temperament for this. if he doesn't make a big jump on that score it's going to be a very tough 20 days. >> final question, 30 seconds, not to go all waxing poetic. >> please. >> but you're our political director and we're coming to an end. 20 days. >> 20 days. >> what's your biggest takeaway if you're writing your david chalian 2016 memoir.
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>> beyond planning my vacation? >> aren't we all. >> i think this has been one of the most extraordinary elections of our time. i look at these elections as a quality ren y'all exercise for the country to hold up a mirror and saywhere are we? those questions have been front and center and we'll get the answer on november 8 but we are at a cross roads as a country and i'm curious to see how pieces come back together for the governing portion. >> the mirror. can't wait to buy the book. david chalian, just kidding, kind of. don't miss his podcast tomorrow morning called "the daily d.c. ". coming up next, the co-author of trump's best-selling book "art of the deal." plus trump's campaign ceo tells me more surprise guests will be in the audience. can that rattle hillary clinton? our live special coverage continues here from las vegas. ♪
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learn how you can save at together, we're building a better california. welcome back, you're watching cnn, we're live in las vegas. i'm brooke baldwin, the financial presidential debate is a couple hours away. hillary clinton triumph over donald trump in the first two debates according to our cnn/orc poll of debate watchers but although clinton, according to those poll, won both debates, trump did improve his second go
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in st. louis. will he perform substantially better tonight and get a big "w" on the debate stage? this is his final chance. we are 20 days away. joining me now, tony schwartz, co-author of donald trump's memoir "art of the deal" and lanhee chen, former public policy director of donald trump. lanhee, we got some nuggets ahead of the debate. we know in debate prep with mr. trump that chris christie played the roll of hillary clinton, afternornc chair reince priebus played chris wallace. will we see a different donald trump tonight? >> i don't think we'll see a different donald trump. the fact that they're doing sprep a good thing since i'm not sure they did prep for the first debate and we saw how that turned out for donald trump. the choice of chris christie to play hillary clinton is an interesting one. >> why? >> temperamentally they are very different. behaviorally they seem different so part of the reason you have a stand in is because you want the
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person to emulate the mannerisms, the phraseology, the tone of the person you're going to be debating against, it seems a little odd fit having chris christie play hillary clinton but the fact that there was prep is a sign of encouragement to trump supporters. >> tony schwartz, you laugh and nod. for transparency's sake, you say you have had conversations with the hillary clinton as they've been preparing for debates, that said, you have spent many an hour with donald trump writing this book. when the question comes up on the accusers, now these women in the double digits accusing him of sexual assault, how do you think he will answer that question? >> i'd be unbelievably surprised if he doesn't just once again double down. >> like we've seen in the rallies? >> he's not going to apologize or go further than he did. this is a man who has one dimension and one way of responding, more or even more and he will do that again zblont what about on the surprise guests? we were talking about my conversation off the plane with
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steve bannon, the trump campaign ceo who was saying to me, brooke, it's just an a ties they are half brother of president obama. it sounded like he was drumming up the idea there would be others. >> to use a word trump has in his tweets, sad. this is a sideshow, the notion that that's going to at vance his cause whatever it is is utterly crazy. >> you don't think that will rattle her? >> i think it did rattle her the last time but i think she's a preparer and she will be way, way more ready for whatever comes tonight. >> when we think of the last go-round four years ago and romney and obama, romney won the first won. >> yes. >> obama fared well the second one and the third one does anyone remember? i'm just using that as an example for four years later. tonight what do you think -- how do you think this could go? >> very different contest this time. i think more people will be
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watching. >> you think? >> little bit. little bit. more people will be watching this third debate than last time but this is the last stand for donald trump. this is the last opportunity he has to make an impression on voters and i think he has an opportunity here if he remains based on issues as well as prosecuting the attack against hillary clinton, not on her personal life or the personal life of bill clinton but about what happened during her time as secretary of state and her record. but make no mistake, there's a very narrow path to victory for donald trump here. >> knowing it is his last at-bat with tens of millions of people watching, how do you think he'll take it knowing him? >> first of all, i don't believe he thinks he'll win anymore. i think his whole focus now is on how he's going to deal with the loss. >> the trump team would tell you otherwise. >> i understand, i'm telling you what i know about this man. i've known him longer than i've known most people on that team. what he's thinking about is how am i going to mobilize these
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people so i have my force so that i can, as i always have, declare victory even after a defeat and i think what you'll see is you will see him play to his base as he has been doing the last three weeks and he won't make one move in the direction of those people he needs to win. >> are you a bruce springsteen fan? >> i am, indeed. >> who doesn't love the boss. he said -- bruce springsteen came out in an interview and said trump will go nuclear, nuclear, if he loses. if he does lose come november 9, what does that look like? >> it's funny, at the very beginning when i said the prospect of donald trump as president was terrifying, i think the prospect of him losing is almost -- not quite -- but almost more terrifying because i think his need to build back his own sense of self-worth will make him willing to blow up democracy in any way that he can, meaning he'll dispute the
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election, he will try to get these folks -- some of these folks out here, he'll try to get these folks to react in potentially violent ways and i think in a deeply polarized country it's a scary, scary prospect. the day trump loses -- and i do think he'll lose, i agree, the day he loses, the next stage of his trouble making will begin. >> he has to recognize his brand is at stake. so he has 20 days left in the election but he has to realize if his brand is going to survive this election, he has to start doing some things, i think, to turn that element around, to turn that image around. >> i think it's too early to talk trump brand but i have to go back to what steve bannon told me yesterday, they believe they will win. tony? >> the brand and donald trump are dead. the brand is already dead. he's already getting way fewer people buying the products he sells and the brand will live with a small percentage.
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>> tony schwartz, lanhee chen, thank you. coming up next, take your corners, two trump supporters and two clinton supporters join me live with what they're hoping to see from their nominees hours from now. we'll be right back.
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hours away from the big debate. thank you for watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin, hours away from hillary clinton and donald trump trading proverbial punches here in this arena hall here at unlv. let me bring in my political panel. scottie nell hugh, cnn political commentator and donald trump supporters, bacarri seller, cnn commentator, former south carolina state representative and hillary clinton supporter. van jones, clinton supporter and former obscene your advisor and andy deed, donald trump supporter and former president of trump productions. nice to see all of you. let's go ahead and get to trump's campaign manager kellyanne conway. she was talking to anderson on why isn't hillary clinton doing better. roll the sound. >> for hillary clinton she's got the current president, the past president she happens to be married to, a popular first lady, more popular than hillary clinton will ever be in michelle obama, she has endless amounts of money and as i tried to say to you last week, why can't she
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get to 50% and stay there anywhere? that is afternoon important question in answering yours, she's like the 46% gal. she's no where near the margins president obama got twice in states we ear competitive. >> so to my clinton supporters sitting to my right and left. why isn't she taking it and running away with it? >> that is the worst talking point i think i've ever heard. >> kellyanne conway is one of the best in the business by far but that was the dumbest thing i've ever heard. "why aren't you beating me harder? why aren't you destroying me even more?" >> why are you only up by 10 or 11 points in national polls? >> it makes me just want to put my hands behind my head, but that's their talking point. >> they're laughing. i'm watching your face, andy, watching you scowl. >> i like these trump supporters, though, we did a better job of getting signage this time. >> yeah, you did. >> they're 60 years old.
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no undergrads. >> hey, a vote is a vote. >> they're grad students. they're grad students. [ laughter ] the point kellyanne was trying to make and i get that it wasn't the best talking point but when you're not 50%, it means the american public isn't convinced and this isn't over. we have 20 days left and trump has to make strong arguments and that argument is about the economy and that he is the outsider. it's up to the american people. if they want change, he's their candidate. if they want the status quo, we know where to go. >> scott tee, ed rollins want trump to win but he said you need a miracle. >> a miracle would be hillary clinton filling up her rallies. you don't see excitement for hillary clinton like you see for trump and that might show up in poll numbers we see daily but it's showing up in crowds.
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the reason why republicans lost is nobody was excited about the candidate. >> the fact is mitt romney had larger rallies, fact, than donald trump. >> that is false. >> but more important, if you want to go about rally size, that doesn't dictate turnout. you can look at the primary with bernie sanders turnout, huge rallies, you can look at huge rallies but it's about who gets their people to the polls and right now i have to disavow everybody, sorry, van, this enthusiasm misnomer. hillary clinton is winning in the polls when you talk about enthusiasm. >> because she doesn't have enthusiasm. >> i'm going to shatter your whole hopes and dreams here by pointing out that i would probably rather go to a trump rally than a hillary clinton rally. but i would never vote for donald trump. >> why? >> because it's the entertainment factor, the electricity, you don't know what will happen. with hillary clinton you can watch it on c-span.
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so let's be honest, the idea of me being excited to go to a rally is not how i'm going to vote. >> van makes a point, it's much better entertainment at a trump rally because -- >> because he's crazy. >> no, because he's intelligent and humorous. but this idea that oh, because he has large rallies, that doesn't translate into votes, that's mathematically untrue. if we look at the primaries and hard numbers, he got more votes than any republican candidate in the history of the process. >> bernie sanders. bernie sanders had massive rallies and lost. >> bernie sanders never had a chance thanks to super delegates. i hate to talk about it. >> the fix was in for bernie. bernie was robbed. >> back on the base pad again, here we go. >> let me throw out a name. michael cohen, legal counsel for trump. >> i know him. >> i want to throw to some sound because michael cohen was asked on cnn yesterday about these women accusers coming forward accusing donald trump of sex assault. this was his -- defense?
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roll it. >> beauty is in the eye of the beholder. some people may think they're beautiful, others don't. i don't think it's relevant to the conversation at all. >> he's the one who said "take a look at them" or whatever he said. he was suggesting that they weren't attractive enough for him to make such a move. >> well, i this i what mr. trump is trying to say is that they're not -- they're not somebody that he would be attracted to and therefore the whole thing is nonsense. >> now i'm not a lawyer, but i don't know if that's a legal defense, scottie. >> never ask me to try to explain what a northern man thinks about women. that never goes well their mamas didn't train them right never to say a thing about women's looks. but looks aside it's coming out that a lot of these women have real holes in their stories. there might be some validity to some but there's been -- once again, there's no evidence
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proving he did it. >> except his confession? >> it's not a confession. >> his own confession saying he does that kind of thing. >> but the fact that you can say some of them may have a value point. some may have a valid point about being harassed and groped? some may have a valid point about being kissed inappropriately? there is evidence and i'm a lawyer so let me tell you what you would do first. >> all right, lawyer. >> you would play his statement that says i pop a tic-tac in my mouth and i like to kiss them. or i can grab them when i want to because i'm famous. then you trot these women up left and right that says he did the exact same thing then i'll wear my best suit and go to closing arguments and say he's guilty. >> how does hillary clinton address this tonight, van? >> she doesn't. >> well, i think she's got challenges tonight. first of all, the e-mail stuff is getting worse for her not better and she's never done a great job at dealing with the issue. she almost always trips up so he can weaponize that against her, she has to be ready. the other challenge, she's got
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opposite challenges with her base. on the one hand you have people who may be overconfident and other people who may feel disappointed so she does have to, you're right, maintain the enthusiasm of her base some of this stuff could hurt her but listen if you could be hillary clinton or donald trump you'd be hillary clinton every time tonight. >> i want to ask you to stick around, i have more. coming up next here from vegas, the target of the latest round of hacked dnc e-mails, hillary clinton's campaign chairman talks to cnn how he responded to an e-mail where he purportedly called senator bernie sanders a -- and i'm quoting -- doofus. [ male announcer ] eligible for medicare?
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a couple of hours away before tonight's final prl presidential debate here in las vegas. the new round of hacked e-mails are being talked about. these from hillary clinton's campaign chairman john podesta. wolf blitzer talked one on one with podesta.
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he offered his defense of his personal slam on clinton's primary rival, senator bernie sanders. >> in one of the e-mails you called bernie sanders a dufus. did you? >> well, you know, i have great respect for bernie sanders. there was a moment where he opposed the paris deal, where i -- without confirming the accuracy of the e-mail, i was frustrated with him. but he and i have a very good relationship, a lot of rapport. i have worked for pat lahey, the senator from vermont. i have great affection for him. when he criticized the paris agreement i didn't think he was taking the right position. i am very proud of president obama for delivering such an important climate agreement. >> i'll take that as a yes. >> i'll take that as a statement that i have great admiration for senator sanders. >> some of the other words you used to characterize --
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>> there are even members of the cnn crew who might read some -- >> i know. have to be careful with your e-mails. >> -- say things in private that you regret. but i have great affection and admiration for senator sanders. >> my panel is back. how would you respond to that? >> what we're seeing here is that -- i understand how people can sympathize and empathize with the release of e-mails that have some public import, that talk about policy, that talk about communications about policy. but a lot of these e-mails from john podesta are simply personal e-mails. you have back and forth of personal dialogue with people. >> i disagree. it's the opposite. >> it's not. >> what you're seeing, if i could, is debbie wasserman schultz, john podesta and others, there was an inside effort to keep bernie sanders outside of the game. the reason they dislike bernie sanders is the reason they dislike donald trump. they're going to protect each other when they get to d.c.
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it's about protection. >> the irony about this new-found argument from trump surrogates and trump himself and all of a sudden we love bernie sanders, we empathize with bernie sanders. bernie sanders was on board with the clinton campaign. we've had these arguments. we've hashed this out. it was a primary. you don't like your primary opponent. >> we don't like the elites rigging election. >> there was a lot of common between -- the wall street, the financial crisis, fiscal responsibility, that's something the bernie sanders crowd was very big on. i don't understand how john podesta still has his job right now. it's proved that hillary clinton stands by her man -- her men. there has been a lot of damage done. this man has done. sexist, there's racist, there's horrible things in the e-mails that he reveals. even if they were personal, it reveals his character. he is not a nice man. >> a, that's completely not true. >> the names he called? >> i'm not even going to go -- here is what you have to look at if you're serious about this stuff.
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there was a real split in this party. there was real antagonism and animosity. yet hillary clinton has met the leadership challenge of healing her party. there was real antagonism in your party and your party is falling more apart every day. you don't even have the spseake of the house willing to be on the stage with your candidate. the number one challenge trump has had to deal with is to heal his party and he's failed. >> finish my sentence. van. hillary clinton will fail tonight if she -- >> if she gets -- chooses to defend the e-mails. >> hillary clinton will fail tonight if she? >> i think she'll fail tonight if she fails to prepare for not only donald trump but chris wallace as well. >> donald trump will surprise us most with -- >> with being presidential and actually presenting a good forward policy, good for the future and separates himself from hillary. >> donald trump will surprise us most with? >> he creates a choice tonight. that's a choice that put him
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where he is, that he is the outsider and he is running against an insider, an elitist. and that's the choice. >> 9:00 p.m. live tonight. watch it here on cnn, the big debate. thank you very much. this has been fun. still ahead a senior adviser to the trump campaign joins us live with a preview of what his candidate has planned tonight. don't move. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪
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. next, the final faceoff. trump v clinton, round three. it's already getting ugly. their final debate is hours away right here on cnn. a special edition of "the lead" starts right now. good afternoon, america. welcome to a special edition of "the lead." debate night in america. i'm jake tapper, and i'm live at the