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>> reporter: this is something that stunned even republicans andover shadows the positive parts of donald trump's debate performance. right after this debate officiae spin room talking to colleagues and saying donald trump actually accepted the results of the election. showing how damaging it was for donald trump's campaign. kellyanne conway
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>> reporter: from time to time throughout the campaign, the campaign can say one thing. the candidate will say something different. we will see if donald trump will take the message and go forward. clearly, a lot of significant moments in the debate. a lot of heated exchange. that overshadowing and raising questions about his temperament. john and christine. >> that is the headline. thanks for that. >> mike pence, his running mate, will accept the outcome. donald trump on an island here this morning.
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it will be a complicated question for the next 24 to 48 hours. after the debate, hillary clinton met with reporters on her plane and she talked about the answer. listen. >> one of our hallmarks has been to accept the election. we have free and fair elections which we do. somebody wins and somebody loses. what he said tonight is part of his whole effort to blame somebody else for his campaign.
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>> very interesting. it alluded to it. this is not a reality show. this is an election. >> john berman says this is the least surprising question of the
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night from moderator chris wallace. will you accept the outcome of the debate as a bipartisan tradition of the country. donald trump still a showman position on that point. >> that is absolutely right. he is continue to cater to the core group of supporters he has and the populous far right and what used to be the fringe and now taken center stage. he could have made one last effort to try to pick up some of the undecided voters who are still three weeks out from the election and have not made up their mind. he knew that question was coming. he knew the campaign question was coming. he decided to basically cast doubt on the very bedrock of democracy. he went back to the core group of supporters which may rally around him, but not deliver him
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to the white house. >> john phillips, donald trump supporter, forget the moral outrage you hear from democrats and republicans of not honoring the time honored tradition of accepting the results. from a tactical standpoint to have that be the thing that must come from t
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>> let's listen to the moment on the debate stage. >> the fbi conducted a year long investigation into my e-mails. they concluded there was no case. he said the fbi was rigged.
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he lost the iowa caucus. he lost the wisconsin primary. he said the republican primary was rigged against him. then trump university gets sued for fraud and racketeering. he claims the court system and judge is rigged against him. there was even a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he tweeted the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset. this is funny, but it is troubling. >> i'm going to go out on a limb and you say she did a great job in that answer. >> i thought she was ept. she underscored how dangerous with the elections are rigged is in terms of what it means for our democracy and what it means for our history and the peaceful handing over of power from one party to another from one individual to another. in using that rift in using the
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situations in the past where he is not winning or feels he is cheated and he whines about the situation, whatever it might be, being rigged, he is painting him as this 12-year-old child who, you know, rants and stomps and complains if he doesn't get his way which goes to her overall message during the campaign which is this is a man who is temperame temperamentally unfit and unqualified to be president and commander of the united states. it worked brilliantly. >> guys, stick around. more to discuss coming up. there were other issues. they were overshadowed by one comment. >> we will have more on the post debate coverage just ahead. did donald trump survive the campaign and will hillary clinton be able to seal the deal? there are highlights and lowlights with the best political team on television. stay with us.
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my social security payroll contribution will go up as will donald's assuming he can't get out of it. we want to replenish a trust fund. >> such a nasty woman. >> here in new york, not nasty, but political reporter eugene scott and we have john phillips and live from las vegas, dylan byers. that moment getting a lot of attention overnight on social media. we are talking about replenishing the social security trust fund and that's the excitement that comes out of it. eugene, that moment there, that was vintage trump. button down for a while and couldn't help himself. >> there were moments where you ask if donald trump is really
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trying to win women voters? last night, you saw that and the answer was no. we saw on social media respond critically to that. that wasn't well received. i don't know how that helped him. >> it was interesting. she was poking him at that moment. she made a not subtle jab on donald trump in not paying taxes. his response was not in a vacuum. the response comes in an environment where he is heavily criticized for his treatment of women and attitude toward women. when you say something like that, the alarm bells go off everywhere. it was instant. >> sure. this is a guy who cut his teeth with the media and new york tabloids. my friend, the gossip columnist, used to get voice mails that are akin to the tweets. one day he came after you and
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the next day you were his best friend of the he is a negotiator. he goes in and decides that one day he will give you the business and the next day, you will be the guy that is his most favorite person in the world. >> does it play with women voters? suburban women voters who are not sure about donald trump? >> no. absolutely not. you know, look, again, it goes back to does donald trump actually want to win these voters or is he so thin skinned and you talk about hillary clinton baiting him with some of the things that she said tonight. he always takes the bait. if you look at the running theme across the three debates, whether donald trump performed well or not well by his standards, the one through line is he always takes the bait. instead of prosecuting hillary
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clinton, he always ends up defending himself and litigate his record on where he stands on the issue. that is a losing campaign for him. >> this came several minutes after hillary clinton talked about donald trump's treatment of women in this way. listen. >> donald thinks belittling women makes him bigger. he goes after their dignity, their self worth and i don't think there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. >> that was a moment where hillary clinton, i think, came across as heart felt to the audience. also, one where she clearly was prepared to address the issue. >> no question about that, john. this is also clearly a recurring theme not just from the moment that donald trump burst on to the scene insulting everyone, but women. remember the first republican primary debate with megyn kelly.
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this is something he has done his whole life. we have audio on the howard stern show where he is grading women's physiques and devaluing them and saying in one sentence he doesn't respect women. this was the culmination of hillary clinton. i think crystalizing for the women and the electorate that is women, that this is not somebody who is not only unfit to be commander in chief, but he is asking the american people to give him the job when he is somebody who doesn't value women and who will demean them and debased them. he doesn't think that they are equal to him. so in saying that and then in poking him on her answer on social security and him answering her with what a nasty woman, he proved her point in a
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moment of clarity that as you all have been saying is the top line of the debate. >> guys, stick around. a lot more to discuss. donald trump pulled out some spanish for the first time in the debate. we will talk about the policy also. there was actually a real relatively traditional policy discussion here as well. we'll be right back. a good th but it doesn't cover everything. only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so consider an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. call today to request a free decision guide. with these types of plans, you'll be able to visit any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients... plus, there are no networks, and virtually no referrals needed. join the millions
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we're going to secure the border. once the border is secure at a later date, we will make a
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determination to the rest. we have bad hombres here. >> donald trump with embellishment to the immigration plan. john phillips, on the issue of immigration, they both got the points out and appealed to their audiences and then the cherry on top of his cake was the bad hombre line. a lot of people on social media saying what's going on here. >> i think that is carlos danger's alternate persona on the internet. there are differences between him and hillary clinton. she wants to deport the bad guys and the criminals deported. does she support sanctuary cities or force cities and counties to deport people in the county jails who have broken the law? the answer is she supports los angeles, san francisco and other cities that harbor these people. there are differences. >> let's have you weigh in here.
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i heard the surrogates and supporters of donald trump in the arm-chair quarterbacking saying this is just an expression. he has been consistent on his message about immigration and you have to control the border before you can allow people in legally. do you think the bad hombre line will help? i'm sure you think it hurt him. >> it is completely offensive, christine. when you have somebody -- and he has been consistent in going after immigrants and latinos. this underscored for latinos that this again is somebody who does not respect them. doesn't think of them as real human beings. for him to utter his first spanish word in this campaign in this manner, i think underscores how little he thinks of the
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latino community. we are here in las vegas. this immigration is a huge issue. i believe donald trump under scored his draconian position and that is good for his base, but the majority of the american people are where hillary clinton is, which is supporting comprehensive immigration reform. border security and a pathway to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented immigrants who are here who have not committed crimes. this is going to affect him. it did continue to hurt him among the latino community. >> if anything -- >> we will get to you after the break. we will come to you first after the break. dylan byers, thank you. hillary clinton and donald trump. how did they do? we will give them grades next.
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do you make the same commitment you will absolutely accept the result of the election? >> i will look at it at the time. >> an unprecedented moment in politics. donald trump refusing to say he will accept the outcome of the election. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. >> i'm john berman. this morning, you can still hear the ringing from the political grenade that went off last night. one of the least surprising questions to come in any of the presidential debates this year yield the one of the most controversial answers ever. donald trump down eight points in the polls refused to say if he would honor the results of the election. >> are you saying you are not
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prepared? >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> there were plenty of issues that came up. that refusal is the headline in all of the papers across the country this morning. plus the fact that donald trump who needed a win on the stage to change the trajectory of the race did not seem to get it. according to cnn/orc poll, 52% thought hillary clinton was the winner. 39% thought donald trump was the winner. a majority of the audience was democratic. that are skew the poll. let's go to manu raju. the debate news making to say the least. >> reporter: john, huge night after donald trump losing this race nationally and crucial states. overshadowed that he may not accept the results of the election if he loses.
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immediately afterwards, the trump campaign, republican officials, moving to clean up donald trump's remarks. here's kellyanne conway speaking to dana bash right after the debate. >> donald trump will accept the results of the election because he will win the election. >> what you just said is he will accept. you are telling me on election night, if he is waffling, you will say, mr. trump, no matter what it is, obviously, it won't be a big deal if he wins. you will see mr. trump, this will happen and you will accept the results. >> yes, i would say that. i would say congratulations, mr. president. >> reporter: now reince priebus, the rnc chairman, making similar remarks. donald trump will accept the election results. we have seen repeatedly that the staff says one thing and the candidate says another. donald trump's critics jumping
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on him and republican critics. one critic, lindsey graham saying this in a statement last night. i'll read it to you now. trump is doing the party and country a great disservice by continuing to subject the outcome of the election is out of his hands and rigged against him. if he loses, it will not be because the system is rigged, but because he failed as a candidate. guys, we reached out to republican leaders on capitol hill. the senate majority leader and house speaker paul ryan. >> manu, thank you. after the debate, hillary clinton met with reporters on her plane. she lashed out at trump for refusing to honor the final vote count. >> one of our hallmarks has been we accept the outcomes of our elections. we do the best we can to have free and fair elections, which we do.
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and somebody wins and somebody loses. what he said tonight is part of his whole effort to blame somebody else for his campaign. >> our dream team is here to talk about the headlines big and small. eugene scott, john phillips and dylan byers and maria cardona. i want to reiterate this moment. when donald trump refused to say i won't accept the outcome of the peaceful transfer of power in this country. listen to it. >> there is a tradition in the country. one of the prides of the country is the peaceful transition of power. no matter how hard fought a campaign is, at the end of the campaign, the loser concedes to the winner. not saying that you're necessarily going to be the loser or winner, but the loser concedes to the winner and the country comes together for the
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good of the country. are you not prepared? >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> dylan, keeping us in suspense. that is the reality show host. >> that is right. another manifestation of how donald trump has treated so many aspects of the campaign like a reality show. he has every right to do that. he has run a reunconventional campaign. he has run a media campaign than a political campaign. on this question of the election results. on the baseless assertion that the election is somehow going to be rigged at the precinct level. that remark during the debate -- the debate with a few exceptions, that is the only headline. everything else is secondary. he is casting doubt on the
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bedrock of democracy. he might feel that is a reality show. he may feel that is a game. the signal that sends to america and the signal it sends to the world is very troubling. >> eugene scott, how does it help to make up eight points? he is trailing eight points in the polls. >> it doesn't help him make up the points. it hurts him with the republican party as a whole. other people running for office who need voters to get on board with them. donald trump whether you like him or not, is a reflection of the republican party as a whole. it will cost voters to distance themselves from him. >> john phillips, talk about how the economy is rigged against working people and how the election and polls are rigged against him. he is talking about voter fraud at polling places. hillary clinton was ready for this and had a moment on the
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debate stage where she was ready to talk about what president obama talked about the whining of trump. let's listen to her talk about donald trump and his rigged world. >> the fbi conducted a year-long investigation into my e-mails. they concluded there was no case. he said it was rigged. he lost the iowa caucus. he said the primary was rigged against him. then trump university gets sued. he claims the court system and the judge is rigged against him. there was a time when he didn't get an emmy for his tv program three years in a row and he tweeted the emmys were rigged. >> should have gotten it. >> this is a mindset this is how donald trump thinks. it is funny, but troubling. >> his response. that was genuine. >> i want to know which kardashian ended up winning.
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>> hillary clinton was ready for that. she brought in her e-mails to turn around against trump. >> if you go back to the primary and the debate with megyn kelly. there was a similar exchange. the question is will you endorse the person that wins the nomination or refuse. he was the only one that raised his hand. everyone on stage endorsed the nominee. it is a distraction then and it is a distraction now. there are many who think he cannot control his impulses when somebody puts the bait out there and he feels his integrity or ability to win is in question. hillary clinton has a problem with impulse control when it comes to selling the government. we saw elements of that last night when the clinton foundation was brought up. he was better on that.
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>> what is maria cardona's thoughts about that? that is coming up. and we will talk about your tax bill. donald trump talked about that. >> her plan is going to raise taxes and double your taxes. her tax plan is a disaster. we will have a massive, massive tax increase under hillary clinton's plan. >> doubling your taxes under hillary clinton's plan. her plan calls for a range of increases on wages and investments. they target the highest household. most would not see the tax bill double. she wants to implement the buffett rule. anyone making $1 million or more would pay at least 30% of that in federal income taxes. some of these earners pay 15% right now. those tax bills could double. really rich people, your tax bill could double. tax policies say those in the top 1%, your bill would rise
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12%. here is the most of us. middle and low income houses would see a small tax cut on average. we will have more on debate coverage coming up. high moments. low moments for both candidates. did donald trump do what he needed to do to close the gap in this race? what the??? you're welcome. i just helped you dodge a bullet. but i was just checking my... shhh... don't you know that checking your credit score lowers it! just be cool. actually, checking your credit score with credit karma doesn't affect it at all. are you sure? positive. so i guess i can just check my credit score then? oooh "check out credit karma today. credit karma. give yourself some credit." sorry about that.
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those stories have been largely debunked. those people, i don't know those people. i have a feeling how they came. i believe it was her campaign that did it. >> most stories have not been debunked and extra witnesses came forward and one the other day. donald trump said they had been debunked and he had nothing to apologize for to the american
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people or his wife. listen. >> those stories are false. i have to say that. i didn't even apologize to my wife who is sitting right here because i didn't do anything. >> maria cardona, she was watching this again. donald trump had to know this question was going to come up. in a sense, that was a prepared response to that question. what did you make of it? >> a really bad prepared response because he actually did, at least melania told anderson he did apologize to her. that was strange. >> i think he apologized for the "access hollywood" language. >> he should apologize for that. i can't imagine the nine women are making up the same story that reflect what had he said in the "access hollywood" video.
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that aside, i don't think he had a good answer for no matter how much he prepared for it because he from the very beginning, this was kind of set for him to have an epic fail on this answer from the very first or second debate when he brought forward bill clinton's accusers telling the world that they should be listened to and they should be believed. yet when nine women come forward to talk about the exact same experience or very similar experiences that they had in terms of donald trump doing things from walking into a dressing room when all of the women were naked to inappropriate kissing to actually sexual assault. no, no, no. they're making it up. they shouldn't be believed. it would have been a debacle. >> you support donald trump. assuming you vote for donald trump, how does he turn the page or can he turn the page from the
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mess? he says this is debunked. i didn't do it. i didn't apologize to my wife. >> i want to correct what maria said. juanita broaddrick said she was violently abused by bill clinton. >> there is a deposition where juanita broaddrick said none of it was true. >> i have seen many where she was forcibly and violently raped by bill clinton. >> she changed her story. >> when that came up, hillary clinton flatly refused to answer the question. donald trump essentially did the same thing last night. the news cycle changes four or five times a day. today, we are talking about the refusal to accept the election results. i think tomorrow and as we move closer to election day, voters will talk about 1,500 other issues. >> 19 days. >> stand by. we have extra time.
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i want to save it for the next segment. we will talk about this last final debate. we will talk about what it means for the next two and a half weeks. what will that look like now that there are no more face-offs? stay with us.
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1,800 nuclear warheads and she's playing chicken. from everything i see, she has no respect for this person. >> that's because he would rather have a puppet. >> no puppet. >> it's pretty clear. >> you're the puppet. >> that's your post debate coverage this morning. i want to go to dylan byers. vladimir putin made an appearance last night. >> that is right.
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i thought you would say third wheel, chris wallace. >> he did a great job. >> he did. he received a lot of praise from both sides. you are right. the third wheel was putin. going back to the point about the failure to accept the election results being the top line. headline under that is the discussion about putin. donald trump praised for leaders like putin and assad and unwillingness to offer praise for previous american presidents going back to ronald reagan. he criticized in the new york times in 1987. why it is he won't come off of this, i think is curious to many people. i think his remarks about power and powerful leaders will resonate with the core group people who believe american leaders should be more strong men like putin or assad, perhaps, only with american values. that is not again, we keep going
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back to this, it is not the thing that will appeal to the voters that have not made up their minds. >> and hillary clinton was able to shift the discussion from wikileaks. there could be a lot of questions where she feels on safer ground. we have a few minutes left. i would like to shift the discussion to what the heck happens now? we have two and a half weeks left. no more debates. no big intervening moments. john phillips, i harp on the fact that donald trump was eight points down going into the debate. our poll found he lost the debate. what is left for him to do? >> if i could predict the future, i would have snuck in maria's luggage and play the blackjack table. if you think you can predict the election, with the black swan, you don't know what you are talking about. >> no more debates. this is campaign events from here on out. maybe interviews or a press
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conference. what is the next 19 days look like as the candidates try to win? >> the fact is there are still opportunities to pivot and focus on issues for voters. donald trump is giving a speech at least once a day between now and election day. he can speak on the issues and whether he will remains to be seen. >> maria, 30 seconds. >> you know, it is funny. people keep saying, oh, he still has time to be presidential and focus on the issues. we're 20 days out and he hasn't done that in a year and a half. i think we are one step closer to welcoming madame president to the white house. she will focus on her positive vision and run out the clock and get elected. >> let's remind the people about the electoral map. anything can happen in one
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24-hour news cycle. arizona, utah. we're talking about states that were solidly red. now battleground states. she is on very solid footing barring some unforeseen catastrophe. >> to maria's point about lack of substance. i heard abortion policy. there were traditional topics talked about. >> they talked about the supreme court. they talked about abortion. they talked about trade. they talked about immigration. i don't know either one picked up votes with undecided voters on any of the subjects. it was interesting to see especially in what we saw with the remainder of the debate. there is more to discuss. you will be with us for the next 19 days. >> we will fact check. on that point, donald trump made wild claims about the jobs
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data. he calls it a big hoax in the world of politics. >> at end of last week, they came out with an anemic jobs report. i said is that the last jobs report before the election? if it is, i should win easily. >> a terrible jobs report. we scrub the record. the words economists use is healthy and modestly below expectations. steady. here is what the report showed. the economy added 156,000 jobs in september. it was the 72nd consecutive month the economy expanded. six straight years of monthly jobs gains. unemployment ticked up to 5%. you know, donald trump has very little credibility as an economist. he tapped into the malaise that
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people don't get raises or feel valued on the job. >> people know how they feel. you can't tell people they don't feel how they feel. if they feel uncertain or anxiety about the way things are going. it is real to them. they feel for a long time. that is very much an issue. all right. the big headline from last night. donald trump refuses to say whether he will accept the outcome of the general election. this was a big, big important moment. what effect will it have on his race or on down ballot races across the country? "new day" starts right now. >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> he is talking down our democracy. i am appalled. >> she should not be allowed to run. >> every time donald things are not going in his direction, estates they are rigged.
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>>. >> when i was in the situation room, he was hosting a reality show. >> you're not up to doing the job. this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> good morning. welcome to "new day." it is thursday, october 20th. 5:00 in the east. up first, defiant donald trump refusing to say if he will accept the election results. he said i'll keep you in suspense. shocking comments overshadowing the debate. casting doubt over our democracy. hillary clinton called his comments horrifying. >> and the rnc and gop lawmakers coming out to say they will respect the will of the people. this debate was heavy on substance and personal attacks. did the candidates change minds? we have 19 days left until election day. we have it all covered for you.
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let's begin with political reporter manu raju. he is live in las vegas. manu? >> reporter: good morning. donald trump needed a commanding performance to reverse the sharply declining poll numbers we have seen since last month's first presidential debate. for the first half hour, he delivered a precise argument you could rile up voters on abortion and supreme court. then hillary clinton got under his skin on the issue of russia and then this happened. donald trump refusing to say he will accept the election results. >> i will look at it at the time. i'm not looking at anything now. i'll look at it at the time. >> are you saying you are not prepared? >> i will tell you at the time. i'll keep you in suspense. >> chris, let me respond to that. that is horrifying. every time donald thinks things are not going


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