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you are watching cnn, i'm brooke baldwin. thank you so much for being with me. we are keeping a close watch, live pictures of those gold elevators. this is trump tower on fifth avenue in manhattan where the careers of some politicians and a number of non-politicians could change after one important meeting. today the president-elect has welcomed a number of potential advisers and cabinet appointees. sources say john bolton is being considered for secretary of state. mr. trump is meeting today with a democrat, north dakota senator heidi heitkamp. all of this on the heels of trump's beginning of his thank
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you tour in cincinnati, ohio, last night. the president resurrected some of the campaign themes and language and going off prompter. here he was. >> although we did have a lot of fun fighting hillary, didn't we? [ cheers and applause ] . right? [ crowd chanting "lock her up" ] >> let's begin with jessica schneider outside of trump tower in new york. did trump make policy announcement, jessica? >> reporter: i think it's fair to say, brooke, that donald trump was in his element last night, covering a multitude of topics. after weeks of being holed up in trump tower, he got out into the crowds to hammer home his messages and priorities. the theme of his speech and
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rallies, putting america first. he talked about a number of different things. he said reaching out to american workers, cutting taxes, securing jobs in the country, preventing them from leaving the country but he went into many of his campaign promises, he talked about cutting back on immigration from countries that have been come mized by terrorism and then, of course, he hammered in on his promises of repealing and replacing obamacare and he talked about a multitude of issues, interestingly, when people are saying he should be reaching out to the plurality of voters who did, in fact, vote for his opponent, he offered these words of bringing this country together. take a listen. >> we're not going to be divided for long. i've always brought people together. i know you find that hard to believe. we will finally end illegal immigration. we have to. [ cheers and applause ] we will construct a great wall at the border. and by the way we are repealing and replacing obamacare.
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>> so donald trump calling that a thank you tour, the first stop, he said there will be several more stops in the weeks to come before he assumes the presidency on january 20. today back to business for donald trump. he's inside trump tower holding a number of meetings, one with former u.n. ambassador john bolton as well as former secretary of state robert gates also florida attorney general pam bondi and the one drawing the most intrigue, that you mentioned off the top, north dakota democratic senator heidi heitkamp. she said she would be open to discussing joining a trump administrati administration. donald trump does say expect more cabinet announcements. of course we already know the one he spilled the beans on, his nomination of james mattis for secretary of defense. brooke? >> thank you for my segue,
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jessica schneider, a seasoned combat commander known as mad dog and warrior monk is the president-elect trump would like to run the pentagon. james mattis spent 44 years in the marine corps. he was in the combat l of fallujah. mr. trump couldn't resist bre breaking the embargo about breaking the announcement about the general that was supposed to happen next week. >> we are going to appoint mad dog mattis as our secretary of state of defense. but we're not announcing it till monday so don't tell anybody. >> let's start with chief
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political analyst gloria borger, jeff zeleny and military analyst, retired lieutenant general mark hertling. thank you for being with me. general, let's ask you about general mattis. tell me about him. what do you know? >> very strong intellectual, called the warrior monk. i don't think he likes the term mad dog. that's something the press put on him during the battle of fallujah because he's not a mad dog, he's not out of control. great on the battlefield, make no doubt about it. i heard your interview with marine sergeant. he builds teams, he's called the warrior monk because he is single, he focuses almost exclusively on defense issues and how to be a better general
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and combat commander during the last couple years of his career but he knows the world, brooke. that's the most important thing. he understands what's going on around the globe in all areas, not just the fight against isis but he understands russia, nato, he knows china. so this is a guy that has an by elect will that will carry him far as not only an adviser but a runner of the department of defense. >> that sergeant i talked to said "brooke, i lost a seven-month-old child, general mattis heard about it, he was retired." despite that, called the sergeant up, got his voice mail and called him up an spoke with him to offer his condolences and he was saying that was the measure of a man. jeff zeleny, let me ask you about the waiver that would need
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to be involved because of active military rule and, b, what's the biggest criticism of him? >> there is a waiver that has to be ruled in by both houses of congress. this is an unusual exception where the house will have a say here in this confirmation process. there are definitely some people saying they're -- this needs to be looked at very carefully. senator gillibrand is saying she will oppose this. but by and large this is someone who has a stellar reputation. he's familiar to them and there's every expectation he will work this through and answer questions on capitol hill and hearings on both sides of this. at this point talking to leadership aides and others, most people don't think there will be a problem at all here. largely because he has so much credibility going in here. there are going to be more questions about the process of this, like is it a good idea to
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have someone who has only been out of the military for three years as opposed to the law of seven years but i think it's hard to find him being blocked by this at this point knowing what we know now. >> gloria, here's what i'm wondering. we know trump likes generals and we also know if he's selecting general mattis as secretary of defense and we know general petraeus is one of the final few being considered for secretary of state do you think that would mean he would be out? >> well, i sure think it makes it less likely. i think that trump likes the generals but to have a few of them in your administration may be one too many, maybe petraeus would get another job. i think the question with general petraeus always has been could he get confirmed given the fact that he showed classified information to his then girlfriend and i think that that would be a very large issue for him in the confirmation process.
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people respect general petraeus, they like general petraeus but given the way this campaign went and given the issue that classified information became in the campaign because of hillary clinton's e-mail, i think it can be really problematic for petraeus. >> i want to loon back to you in a second on this thank you tour and trump in cincinnati. general hertling, one more on this. trump called general mattis the closest thing to general george patton and we all sort of thought about that, 1970s biopic about the world war ii general. here's a clip and we'll talk on the other side. >> all real americans love the sting of battle. americans love a winner. and will not tolerate a loser. americans play to win all the time. i wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost. >> what do you make of that comparison? i see you smiling. >> it's a terrible comparison,
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brooke. first of all, the entry to the movie "patton" with george c. scott that you just showed, that's the opening scene, is a compilation of a lot of speeches that patton gave to his soldiers prior to the invasion. so it's cupid of a summary of a lot of things that patton did and sometimes generals and leaders have to be theatrical when they're talking to soldiers and get them fired up when they're going into tough combat. that's what was portrayed by george c. scott. mattis is certainly theatrical at times. he uses different means to impress upon his soldiers but he's very much like patton, very much a from teeng i can thinker as well but that doesn't define who that man is. he's much more than a personification of george c. patton but it's interesting that mr. trump continues to use the example of patton when he's describing good generals. i think it may be the only war movie trump has scene so that's
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why he keeps using it. >> that's really funny. one more, gloria. on to president-elect trump himself, the beginning of the thank you tour last night. packed crowds, cincinnati, vintage trump on prompter, off prompter. do you think this is the version of trump we'll see the next four years? >> it is the trump we're going to see. it's the trump we've seen for the last couple years. my biggest take away was this is a real indication of how he is going to try and win the battle for the hearts and minds when he tries to get legislation passed in congress. what he is going to do is he's going to play the outside game. maybe mike pence, his vice president, will play the inside game in congress and if donald trump is going to try and get something through that congress may be balking at or he needs public opinion on his side he'll take it directly to the american people and i think he's not going to be a president who's going to be ran theed inside the oval office because that's not
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where he's comfortable or where he gets his energy from. so i think what we're going to see, say the repeal of obamacare or whatever other issue, immigration reform, tax reform, i think it will take it directly to the american people and make his case that way. ronald reagan did it but i think we'll see donald trump do it more than even reagan did. >> last question quickly, jeff zeleny. you heard the "lock her up" chants. and yet he says unity, unity. which is it? >> i think he is going to try for unity on things that suit him but that is something that fires up his base. he didn't say in the response to that. that would be a far bigger deal, i think, because he came out a week ago and says he has other things to worry about here so i think we have to give it time here. this adjustment between campaign and governing is still very much under way but his base still believes that.
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the question is once he starts veering from his base will they follow him or there l there be a division here? he'll be an unscripted president and that's why this will be fascinating to watch. >> it will. and to cover. gloria, jeff, general, thank you very much. >> thanks, brooke. coming up, raw emotions. here what happened when top aides to donald trump, clinton advisers, bernie sanders folks met to talk about the campaign. part of a post-election discussion that's been happening for years. has it erupted into a shouting match? the bitterness? we'll talk to two people who were in the room. >> you think this woman who has nothing in common with anybody -- >> i'm not saying why you won, that's why the campaign -- >> she flipped over 200 counties that donald trump won and donald trump just won, you think that's what because you just said or because people are aren't ready for a woman president, really? how about it's hillary clinton? she doesn't connect with people, how about they have nothing in common with her. amazing new iphone 7 on theou ge house by switching to at&t... what??.... aand you got unlimited data because you have directv??
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aides meet for postmortem discussion, talking about what went right and depending on whose side you were on what went wrong. it's also an opportunity for those campaigns to show respect for the process and for the outcome but this year last couple of days it was bitter and it got heated. let me play this is exchange. this is between trump campaign manager kellyanne conway and clinton's communications chief jennifer palmieri. . >> if providing a platform for white supremacists makes me a brilliant tactician i'm just glad to have lost. >> that's crap. >> let her speak. >> i would rather lose than win the way you did. >> do you think i ran a campaign for white supremacists are you going to look me in the face and tell me that? >> you did. >> do you think this woman who has nothing in common with anybody -- >> i'm not saying that's why you run. but that's the kind of campaign you ran. >> you think that's because of
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what you just said or because people aren't ready for a woman president? really? how about it's hillary clinton? she doesn't connect with people. how about they have nothing in common with her. >> how did this happen? let's talk to two people in the room, the two jeffs, jeff zeleny is back with us, washington correspondent and bernie sanders campaign manager jeff weaver. so great to have both of you on and my goodness, where to begin. jeff zeleny, to you first. i mean, i know this happened over the course of two days last nig night. when did things take a turn for the worse. >> well, brooke, that clip you played right there was around the conversation of steve bannon, of course the chief strategist at the end of the campaign for the trump campaign who is the former executive for breitbart news. it was at that point that jennifer palmieri decided to make her argument about the elephant in the room. up until then it was a civil discussion but one thing to keep
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in mind. it may look like emotions were running out of control. that's partially true but the clinton campaign team came in there with a purpose of trying to be the last time to defend hillary clinton. this is viewed as a first draft of history, i've gone to the last five of these since the bush v. gore one in 2000. i can tell you this was much more heated than even that one was but the clinton team was trying to get on the record for one last time some things that they wanted to clear the air on but, look, trump won, they lost, onward we go. >> okay. jeff weaver, we kept hearing kellyanne conway say "why can't you acknowledge she was just a bad candidate?" what do you think? >> well, obviously i work for bernie sanders in the primary and thought he would have been the better candidate against donald trump and history i think shows that that was the case. on the other hand i have to say the trump people came in there
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with a lot of chips on their shoulders. they have just won and i think it's incumbent on people who win to be a little magnanimous. they're personally very pleasant when you talk to them but there's a tremendous amount of anger on their team and obviously on the clinton team i think there's still a great sense of disappointment, a little disbelief, frankly. but i just think that the trump folks were looking to spar in that room. >> i'm listening to you on the chip on the shoulder and i know democrats watched trump in cincinnati and they said he was gloating and they don't want to see that and i know she won the popular vote but, you know, the fact that kellyanne kept saying she was a bad candidate and i know when she was up against bernie initially you said there were concerns about hillary clinton's veracity and forthrightness. do you think that's part of it? >> i do think that there were -- voters had concerns about those issues, 100%. but i would say this, brooke.
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if you look how hillary clinton treated bernie sanders when she won the primary over him and the gracious leadership that she exhibited compared to what we're seeing from the trump folks, which is very much -- very angry, very gloating, very much in your face, i think those two side by side really tells a lot about that team and where they're headed. >> let me play another exchange. kellyanne conway and clinton's former chief strategist joel benenson. >> listen, listen, you guys won. that's clear, you won the electoral college, that was the currency. but let's be honest, don't act as if you have a popular mandate for your message. the fact of the matter is more americans voted for hillary clinton than donald trump so let's put in the context. >> and there was nothing that said the road to popular vote anywhere -- >> hey, guys, with we won, you don't have to respond. why is there no mandate? you've lost 60 congressional seats since president obama got there. you've lost more than a dozen senators, a dozen governors,
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1,000 state legislators. >> we're talking about this election, kellyanne. >> you're saying there's no mandate. >> jeff zeleny, what did you think the clinton campaign seemed hung up on the most, the clinton campaign said you won the electoral vote and that's the currency. >> well, to give you a sense of the room, we're hearing audio only and that is by designed. this is intended to be an academic discussion at the institute of politics at harvard's kennedy school so it's not intended to be a show for the cameras but they were looking one another directly in the eye around a square table basically, the trump people on one side, the clinton people on the other side. >> so they were physically close, seeded together. >> absolutely. maybe eight or 10 feet apart or so so the physical space was very close and i think that hung over all of this.
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one thing the clinton campaign was clearly trying to go after trump on what they viewed as not necessarily a real victory but what i didn't hear as much of were things that the clinton campaign, hillary clinton herself did wrong in this. in an earlier discussion on the democratic primary campaign which i was moderating with jeff weaver there was more of an honest discussion. her e-mail, her paid speeches, other things. so she came into the general election as a wounded candidate so there was less discussion about her probably than there should have been and more discussion about donald trump but the clinton haven't accepted this, the clinton team simply does not believe the right candidate won here but, look, the election is over, elections have consequences and that's what we're about to see. >> two jeff, jeff zeleny and weaver, appreciate both of you, i wish i could have been there. you can listen to the whole thing this sunday state of the union with jake tapper. thank you so much. up next, it was supposed to
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today marks a somber anniversary. last december 2 a husband and wife killed 14 people and injured 21 others. the couple opening fire during a holiday party in san bernardino, california. investigators believe the attackers were inspired by extremist ideology and sympathized with isis. the suspects fled the scene then were killed in a shootout with police. i was on the air, i'll never forget the day a year ago, when the news broke. it was the latest in a series of
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mass shootings that i've had to unfortunately relay on live television. so after doing so i penned an op-ed and in part i wrote this "just like that it's my job to remain calm even though deep down just like you i am furious, furious for the innocent victims who are being targeted, furious this has happened again, furious that nothing seems to be stopping him. stephanie elam talked to survivors of the shooting who continued to struggle with their recovery one year later. >> when you look back to that day, what is the biggest memory that you have. >> it was a good day to begin with. it was a good day. and i think just lay iing there wondering if this was it. just laying there after i was shot thinking is this how my life is going to end? >> and in that moment you had the presence of mind to text your family? >> i did. because i thought if this is the end i want to say at least i
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love them. i just remember there thinking is this how my life is going to end? >> right before the shooting started you had gone to the restroom. >> two minutes before they walked in. >> and what do you remember doing? what was your first thought? what did you do to save yourself? >> the first thought it wasn't a shooting, that a pipe broke. it wasn't until there was someone shot in front of the bathroom door when i opened it that i knew there was a shooter and we all ran into stalls and four of us just ented in one s hugging on top of the toilet seat so our foot wouldn't show. i remember thinking we had to be quiet. that i needed to get ahold of 911, i needed to call my husband. i needed people to know what was happening. and then i just kind of -- i thought about my kids, thought about my husband and i kind of resigned to the fact that this was it.
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>> you saw the shooter come in. you saw the gun but it didn't compute in that instant, right? >> right. because i have an ar-15. and how often do you see a man in black with a machine gun coming into your office. >> when he could not reload, that's when you took a moment to get out? >> yes, yes. when my brain got back down to no, this isn't right, even if it is an active terror thing, you should run so as soon as he dropped his first clip i ran to a closet that was full of tables, oh, my god. finally ran to the other door, got out, went and hid in place in a break room and we're barricading ourselves against the door to prevent ourselves from coming in and i'm looking at bullet hole there is the door and that's when the reality hit. >> are any of you angry? >> there's two traumas we have. the trauma of the day and the trauma of the fight we have with our employer and i feel like the trauma -- the secondary trauma
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with our employer has overshadowed the first one and i also feel like he didn't come in there to shoot me or julie, he had some mental health issues and some maybe religious ideologies but it wasn't for us personally, it wasn't personal. he was trying to make a statement. where with our employer i feel like that's personal. they're supposed to protect us. >> do you operate differently? do you go into a room and make sure you can see the entrances and exits? >> always. >> yeah, my cubicle has my back facing everybody and that drives me nuts. so -- >> any room, any restaurant you go into you look for the exits, you look for escape routes. >> always. >> what would you do there that situation. i know i went to a holiday party with my husband right after, like i think it was on the 12th and i remember thinking if someone comes in here can i flip up the tables? if i flip up the table, will the bullets be age to get through the table? will it help me? can i make it to the door?
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there's a whole assessment. when i went back to work i remember every time i went to the bathroom i pictured tiles shooting off the wall. >> stephanie elam, thank you so much for following up with them. we covered it as breaking news, not knowing the faces and the lives and the details. what was your biggest take away. julie, the woman with the dark hair, her pelvic bone was shattered and she's still dealing with problems with her pelvic bone is not fusing back together and it grows into her bladder. she's in pain all the time but she doesn't want to talk about it because she says there were 14 people who lost their lives, i will take having this pain any day over that situation. so she doesn't want to talk about it or complain about it and then also the other two, take a listen to sally and hal, they have ptsd, they don't have physical injuries but they're reeling from it. part of the issue they feel is
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they're not getting the medical sport they need because it's not something that anyone knows how to cover. it's not -- there is things happening if you get injured but nothing if there's a terrorist attack at the place of employment and so that's something you don't take into account when you look at these stories and look at a year later is how they approach the world everyday. everyday there's something to be fearful from, something that can make them cry, something that can trigger a memory and it happens all the time for these people. >> incredibly strong of them to sit with you and share, thank you for listening. stephanie elam, appreciate that. straight ahead, will donald trump be commander in chief or ceo in chief. house speaker paul ryan answered that very question next. we'll talk to michael smerconish. stay with me. credit score?" "i think we can finally get a bigger place." "hey!" "hey!"
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>> have you told him being president is not being ceo of the united states? that the congress is going to have a say? >> oh, we've talked about that extensively. we've talked about the constitution, article 1 of the constitution, the separation of powers. he feels very strongly, actually, that under president obama's watch he stripped a lot of power away from the constitution, away from the legislative branch of government and we want to reset the balance of power. >> let's start our conversation with michael smerconish. michael smerconish host of "smerconish" on cnn. happy friday to you, my friend. i should preface, that was a clip, an excerpt from the "60 minutes" that will air on sunday night. i love the question from scott pelley and it got me thinking about, you know, we watched trump at carrier in indianapolis right around this time yesterday and here he was, you know, like a ceo picking up the phone and calling a ceo and asking him to save some jobs, what did you make of paul ryan's response?
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>> i made of it that the marriage is coming together in a way that will satisfy both donald trump and the republican leaders in the house and senate. in other words, brooke, he campaigned as a manager, he was never detail oriented. you go back and think about those debates, he never offered specifics relative to policy, he always spoke in themes, much like roger ailes had advised ronald reagan to do in 1984. that was the play book they utilized and i think that paul ryan and mitch mcconnell will be thrilled if the details are left to them in their representative houses. >> quickly, though, on carrier and what we all watched yesterday and the details we learned of this phone call do you think -- i mean, give credit where credit is due with what the president-elect was able to pull off but did he set a tough precedent? >> so like you i'm thrilled that a thousand folks, especially in the 34idst of the holiday
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season, won't be out of work where that seemingly were about to lose their jobs to mexico. interestingly, today on the radio i had an extensive conversation, people calling from all across the country who wanted to delve more deeply and, a, question the cost, but, b, question whether there was allowing the free market to function. this seemed like picking winners and losers and many raised the issue of whether future companies will now try to rattle the cage of the government and say we want the carrier treatment and all of a sudden look for payouts that otherwise would not have existed. i found it interesting there was a split of opinion where i would have thought people would have said this is wonderful. >> it is interesting and on jobs news, let me relay to everyone the numbers announced this morning. the unemployment rate in this country, you see the number in red on your screen, it's now at 4.6%, the lowest point in nine
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years. how many jobs were created. i was talking to christine romans who said well, it's great unless you work in a factory. and when you think back to eight years ago when then president-elect obama came into office, he was in economic quicksand and now you look at president-elect trump, engine fairly full steam ahead. >> i think if you had said to mitt romney in 2012 you can be elected and here will be your score card at the end of four years and then talk about the dow, talk about unemployment, talk about gas price, talk about any number of metrics, he probably would have said well that would be great and i would be judged as having a successful record. but like everything else with regard to president obama, those who are for him look at the numbers and say he deserves the credit and those who are not necessarily for him look at the numbers and say he's not deserving, a president doesn't command where the dow ends up or they'll say so many have left the job hunt that the unemployment rate is artificial.
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so it's just interesting people suit up in their usual jerseys. i think by an honest appraisal, we're headed in the right direction. maybe not as fast as folks would like. >> yes, but in the right direction. we'll leave it on a positive not note. smerconish, watch him 9:00 eastern on cnn. thank you as always for hanging out on friday. coming up, a brand new cnn film exploring the dramatic rise and fall of self-help guru james arthur ray. remember the story about the sweat lodge, one of ray's clients who was inside on that fateful day joins me live next. ♪ look how beautiful it is... honey, we need to talk. we do? i took the trash out. i know - and thank you so much for that. i think we should get a medicare supplement insurance plan.
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tomorrow night cnn films brings us it's called "enlighten us" the story of the rise and fall of james arthur ray, the self-help guru convicted of negligence jent homicide. his clients died after spending two hours in the arizona sweat lodge. it capped a five-day conference run designed to push people beyond their limits, but that day, according to prosecutors,
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ray went too far. here's a clip. >> oh, yes! kate. >> hello, this is -- i'm laura from british columbia. i've been working on control all week. >> are you controlling control? >> i'm not really sure. >> i was there looking for transformation. i was at a point in my life where something needed to change in order for me to move to the next level. >> so what could you do right now just to prove to yourself that you don't care what anyone else in here thinks? c'mon. >> singing would be a problem. >> singing would be a problem? >> yeah. >> because you're worried about what other people think about your voice? >> yeah. >> okay. so what song are you going to sing? >> "o canada"?
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>> as the workshop progressed, i could feel my wall coming down. i really did learn how to take my guard down with people ♪ o canada ♪ we stand on guard for thee [ applause ] [ laughter ] >> you were awesome. great job. now, hang on a second. now, is that a breakthrough? if i had asked all week ago if you would stand up in front of 300 people and sing "o canada" would you have told me i was insane? >> yes. >> yes. >> thanks. >> that's a breakthrough, huh? >> yeah. >> who's next? let's go to the woman you just heard there, laura tucker
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joins me live. laura tucker, nice to have you on. can you just explain to us watching -- i moon people pay thousands of dollars to attend this. why? >> well, brooke, thank you for having me on. the reason why i spent or invested the money i did in myself at that time was the it idea of taking a different approach to life and having a meaningful life, where the way that you approached it actually mattered and has an impact on the people around you. that's a bit of what the secret did, which is how i first got introduced into james arthur ray or self-help in general. then as things moved forward, you know, james has a big
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personality, he's very charismatic, the events were a ton of fun, and really what kept me coming back for additional events was the absolutely incredible people that i met every step of the way. so you had this community of fabulous people from all over north america and beyond, and at the same time learning a different way to operate, and a different way to look at your ironically with that clip control or lack of control in your own life. >> um-hmm. >> that was one example, but let's talk about this sweltering lodge. you know, in the middle of the desert where those people died. you saw some of those individuals you were tapping one woman. can you tell me about that? >> yes. well, i mean, the sweat lodge
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was the final two hours of, as you said earlier, a five-day event. my understanding of it was that it was to be a -- either a rebirthing or a way to just go into a common experience and come out of it you, know, in a celebratory manner. part of the reason why it was so incredibly traumatic was the difference in the expectations of what it was supposed to mean, what it was supposed to be like, at least as i understood it, and what actually happened there. as you mentioned, i was beside liz neuman in the sweat lodge, which added layers of complexity to it. >> just was it worth it? do you regrekt it? has it changed you?
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s. >> what a question that is. i can't never say that anything that cost the lives of three people was worth it, whatever it was. has it changed me? it's changed me every step of the way. initially, i mean, the horror of the chaos and the loss and the grief, and the overwhelming, you know, sense of respond for having been there and spoken up in the sweat lodge it game a very shaming experience for me. over the course of the last seven years, even in the two years i did. that was a pivotal moment for me
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on this journey, and it showed me that i still had stuff to deal with that i really needed to look into. >> well will look for your story in this incredible piece. it airs tomorrow night at 8:00 eastern here on cnn. laura thank you. we'll be right back. from channel islands national park. coronado. saguaro. you'll see there's one that's an eagle. my number one goal is getting more funds out to parks because some animals and plants are only found in one place in the world, and that's in some national parks. i find that's a great cause, and i want to support it. (avo) the subaru share the love event has donated over four million dollars to help the national parks. get a new subaru, and we'll donate two hundred and fifty dollars more. ♪put a little love in your heart.♪
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