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who has made the ultimate sacrifice in terms oaf warfare, military service, losing one of his own. >> jim, you point out this is the third retired general donald trump has now selected or nominated to one of these cabinet positions. how do you think it came to be him versus other names in a have been floated for this position, rudy giuliani, representative michael mccaul. >> it's interesting, if i had to guess, hard to get inside donald trump's mind, but that issue of the southern border, him talking about that in 2015, raising the concern about a need for greater security there and this, of course, is one of donald trump's -- continues to be one of donald trump's signature issues although from his perspective more on the immigration issue than the terrorism issue. but that's one issue. also, and in donald trump's public comments, here's another general's general, soldier's soldier. he's done his time, he has
enormous respect and crucially respect of both parties so a position when you look forward to the approval process, when he's nominated and when senate and house get their chance to vote, not someone likely to face a difficult confirmation process. >> jim sciutto, thank you for that reporting. joining me now, cnn chief political analyst gloria borger. cnn's senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny, lynn suite, the washington bureau chief for the chicago "sun-times" and cnn national security analyst juliette kay m kayyem. we'll talk about this and other trump-related topics but juliette, let's start with this breaking news. the nomination of retired marine general john kelly to be homeland security secretary. you have said long time employees of homeland security department are relieved over this pick. why? >> this is a relief. there is the issue that this is another general, another marine, another white male but putting that aside, the other names that
were being floated were terrifying senior career members of the department of homeland security, whether it was giuliani, kris kobach, those were men coming in without a clear understanding of what the department does and for sort of ideological reasons. the department does a lot of different things and so i think having a general who understands the border, who he also understands disaster management because of southern command is something that is important to the career staff so there is a -- i mean, i would call it a sigh of relief at the department of homeland security right now. >> gloria, kelly's son was killed in combat in afghanistan in 2010. he is a gold star father. could choosing this father, bereaved father, perhaps start to heel the rift from trump's summertime clash with khizr khan, that muslim american family who lost a son in combat. >> i think sure.
it might. it depends if it's spoken about or not. i think that his larger qualifications are not only as were just stated but also that he's somebody who's a known quantity to congress, to people's -- to people in the department of homeland skaurt although i must say to echo jim sciutto a little bit there are questions being raised about the generals. the notion that the candidate who said he knows more than the generals is now appointing an awful lot of generals to keep policy positions and that sort of pushes aside the notion of civilian control of the government and i think those are questions you're going to hear from democrats but, yes, absolutely. will it go some way to healing this rift? hopefully, potentially because there shouldn't have been one in the first place and we'll see whether the general addresses it
or whether donald trump addresses it. >> let's turn to other news coming out of trump tower today, lynn, we know donald trump met with chicago mayor, president obama's first chief of staff rahm emanuel and emanuel delivered a letter today from more than a dozen mayors from a all over the country basically urging trump and trying to convince him to keep daca in place, the dreamer's act in place, allowing undocumented immigrants who came to the u.s. as children with their parents who are undocumented immigrants to have still some kind of legal status that allows them go to college, get jobs and so forth. what are you learning about the buildup to this meeting? >> well, we've learned that the seat of this meeting started a few weeks ago when trump and emanuel talked over the phone president-elect trump told him to drop by trump tower if he was ever in new york and rahm emanuel is in new york. he's on an east coast swing.
he'll be in washington later this week to deal with chicago's financial crisis so he dropped in trump tower. he had a few messages. one strong one he he wanted out most publicly is the dreamer situation. he also talked to trump about how to organize a white house. as a quick aside, mayor emanuel has said he will keep chicago's sanctuary city status. trump has said he doesn't want to give any federal funds to any cities that have that and a quick aside, all these mayors in the letters are democrats but we should be looking for trump's softening his position and letting these dreamers stay because that's what he's been saying as most recently in a new interview in "time" magazine. >> softening his position and yet immigration being such a huge part of his campaign. let's talk about "time"
magazine, he was just named person of the year. donald trump gave an interview after he received the distinction and trump pointed out how much he actually likes president obama, he values his opinion, a stark contrast since trump pushed the whole birther lie for years, jeff. what are you thinking about this evolution? >> i think the charm offensive is under way by president obama. he is heeger to charm some visitors and donald trump is eager to be like sod i think that combination fuses at least into a public example of how they're getting along here. look, they have many, many, many differences. the birther issue first among them. i would love to know if they have ever addressed that directly. i don't know the answer to that i hope to find that aoude but i think that, look, the president has one sort of top task here and he has told all of his advisers in the west wing to help the trump administration wherever they can for a seamless transition of government here and that starts at the top.
it starts with him so he's eager to him him advice and we know from donald trump he is eager to take advice and often acts upon some of the final piece of advice that he hears so i think there will be more conversations here but the president clearly is trying to influence his successor here. we'll see on the margins how much -- how possible that is here and once he actually is sitting in the oval office we'll see how much they talk after that. but for at least right now it's a signal to some of his skeptics out there that he is trying to respect this president and that's something he's not shown much of in recent years. >> i want to show -- go ahead, gloria. >> i was just going to say, one of the issues the president might have had some impact on donald trump is the issue that lynn just raised, which is dreamers. donald trump has pledged during the campaign that he was going to reverse the president's executive orders on immigration. one of them being about dreamers
and in the "time" magazine today donald trump waxed on about what a difficult thing that would be for those young people and rahm emanuel came in today saying, look, you can't do this to these kids, they have given their addresses and their phone numbers to you. so that's going to be a huge thing for us all to watch as the new president is inaugurated to see just what he does. >> and to see the reaction of people who thought he said exactly what he meant. >> right. >> well, let me show you something because i feel like it kind of speaks to the changing times. look at these pictures if you have a monitor there in front of you. this is "time" magazine's covers over the course of this past year. from the meltdown to total meltdown to president-elect and now time's person of the year. jeff, when you look at that, it
really speaks to sort of this narrative that has been changing and we're also seeing a change within the man at the center of all of this media attention. let's show a portion of his rally from last night and a change in tone we're seeing here. watch. >> this has been a great, great movement, the likes of which they've never seen before. the likes of which those folks back there that write the stories -- [ boos ] >> no. no. no, i'll tell you -- and they're saying it, they've never seen anything like this before. >> jeff, you were at that rally. did that moment strike you? >> well, certainly a lot of people in the crowds at all of these events are not pleased at the media. that's part of the shtick here he's been building up for a year and a half or so but it surprised me when he said "no, no, no, let's see if they'll write the truth." but i think we have to watch a couple more rallies here. one rally where donald trump
kind of calming the crowd i don't think changes the whole narrative of what he's been doing. but, look, i talked to a lot of voters, a lot of his supporters in the crowd, they're watching him carefully and that is much more interesting than our reaction. it's their reaction to him. some are disappointed he has not gone after his former rival in terms of lock her up, those chan chants were there. they're watching her carefully so enough about the media and how he was calming his crowd. let's talk about their reaction to him and that's the question how his supporters will be watching him along the next four years and he said a very true statement last night, he said the script going forward is not yet written. that is so true. he will be evolving in office and that's something we're watching carefully. >> and yet, gloria, it seems like he can't let go. "saturday night live" even suggested that, you know, it's going to end, it's going to end
when he becomes president. >> well, i think that may be one thing he probably doesn't have much of a say in is the audience, if it keeps rating well it will do well but i think this whole notion of which donald trump we are going to see emerge post-inauguration is what his supporters that jeff is talking about are going to be watching and they're going to be watching immigration because that was his signature issue so what he does on the issue of dreamers and what he does on the other presidential executive action on immigration are going to be watchinged closely. mitt romney, not a popular figure among his supporters, what he does on that appointment and how he explains it to his voters because more than anything else trump sees him as a salesman so even if he does something that angers his supporters, i wouldn't be
surprised if he takes it right to them and says let me explain and buck mad but this is why i did this and look at what else i'm doing for you. so this is season two. season one got finished and now he's casting season two and we'll have to see how it turns out and what the plot is. >> juliette, do you think these generals are going to keep trump in check? that. >> that's not my worry, he's the president and will be the president. my worry is flynn. i think it's outrageous flynn is the national security advisor. most people, republican or democrat, agree. so the good news of having competent powerful cabinet secretaries is that they're likely to essentially assert their authority over flynn and i would not be surprised if flynn does not stick around for very long in this administration. >> we covered a lot of grown there, gloria borger, lynn sweet, juliette kayyem, jeff
zeleny, thank you for joining us. up next, a cnn special report. the legacy of barack obama, how will the nation's first african-american president be remembered? fareed zakaria joins me live next plus we are watching capitol hill where president joe biden is set to be honored on the senate floor. we will take you there live when that happens. you're watching cnn. stay with us.
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in less than two months, president obama will turn over the white house to his successor, president-elect trump. how will history judge the nation's first african-american president? cnn's fareed zakaria spoke one on one with president obama for tonight's special, the legacy of barack obama. it airs at 9:00 eastern and we have a preview clip for you showcasing one of obama's most emotional moments when he delivered that eulogy in charleston, south carolina, in the church where nine people were shot dead. >> reporter: no single moment in the obama presidency was at once
so ugly and unifying as the charleston church shooting. >> the killing is being investigated as a hate crime. >> he says you are raping our women, you are taking over our country, i have to do what i have to do. >> reporter: nine people murdered, the gunman said he wanted to start a race war. when president obama came to the emmanuel ame church, his hesitance to speak frankly on race was gone. >> for too long we've been blind to the way past injustices continue to shape the present. we now realize the way racial base can infect us even when we don't realize it. oh, but god works in mysterious ways. god has different ideas. ♪ amazing grace how sweet the
joining me now, fareed zakaria, host of "fareed zakaria, gps." fareed, one of the topics you and president obama covered was race and what an impact it's had, that issue has had on him as a person and as the president. what was that discussion? what were his views. >> one of the things his staff members said to me don't talk too much about race, he doesn't like to talk about it. >> why? >> he thinks he's the president of america. he happens to be black and that clearly is one of the ways that he approaches his job, probably the principle way he does. his national security advisor susan rice said he is the president of the united states. he also happens to be black just as i happen to be, he's not sitting there thinking about that and yet he's the first african-american president in a country had slavery, that had 100 years of jim crow and he's
aware of that history and experienced some of that pain himself. so he's always navigating these two roles. i said to him, actually, i said "the first line of your biography is not going to be something you did but who you are, the first african-american president. and yet you're half white." and he grapples with that contradiction everyday. >> his identity. >> and it's his identity at a very personal level but it plays itself out on the national stage because every time there is an incident, we talk about the -- you remember the first incident there was a harvard professor, henry louis gates, arrested trying to get into his own house in cambridge, massachusetts. the next day obama said something about it at a press conference. all of a sudden the lines were drawns. blacks thought he hadn't been supportive enough, a lot of police officers thought he was attacking the police and you
could see here he is trying to navigate. he has to be post-racial enough to assure the country yet black enough to give comfort to blacks. >> did he say in his reflection of his presidency and the racial tension that we see in america today what he believes will be his legacy when it comes to -- did he advance the conversation forward and the dynamic socially forward when it comes to racial acceptance in america? >> he's sure he did. his view is first of all let's not exaggerate the kind of problems we have now. we have real problems now, but if you look at the 1960s, we've made enormous progress. and one of the things he's done -- and it hasn't always been appreciated in the african-american community -- is he has given that message to the black lives matter and to people like that saying, yeah, you know, you've got legitimate grievances but we have made a lot of progress and the country is much more tolerant and accepting, think back to what life was like in the 1960s for
those of you who were even around. and yet he knows that in a way he opened up a pandora's box. there is enormous acceptance and tolerance, there is some backlash and that's been all part of this combustible mix that we -- >> all out there on the surface right now. >> it's all out there and we can take pictures and videos of it with our iphones and that's different, too. >> what do you make of donald trump in his interview this morning after he was named "time" person of the year, president of a divided united states of america and he was asked about his relationship with president obama and whether they had been talking and he said in fact they talked a lot and he's realizing he likes president obama and he values his opinion and in fact he has taken his advice or gotten his approval on one of his picks. that's a huge change from what we used to see when when president-elect donald trump
would talk about president obama. >> well, i hope it's true because i think a president should try to get advice from all quarters. one of the things i worry about with the way donald trump is staffing his cabinet. there's nothing wrong with military people, they're wonderful and amazing in both ways but you want a diversity of views and perspectives. obama and trump couldn't be more different. if you think about just who they are as people, one is an urban intellectual harvard law -- editor of the harvard law review, thoughtful, careful, dignified. the other is a very different persona. so the fact that trump could see in obama things he admired speaks well of him. i hope he does it more and with other people who are very unlike him. i think one of the keys to success at every level you have
i have to people around you who don't just say yes, sir, who tell you, well, the argument against what you ear doing is this or i see this from a completely different perspective and keeping yourself open to those points of view strikes me as a crucial part of succeeding as a president. >> we are seeing the president-elect reach out to people on different sides of the aisle and different walks of life so a lot of the people we've been talking to on our show said that's a positive and hope he does that going forward. thank you very much, fareed zakaria, and looking forward to seeing the special. it's right here on cnn, a special report, the legacy of barack obama, it's tonight at 9:00 eastern and pacific only on cnn. >> right now president obama's right hand man is getting his own emotional tribute, we will listen as n live as vice president joe biden's colleagues honor his decades in public service.
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right now senators on both sides of the aisle honoring the legacy of the legendary former senator joe biden. this is senator harry reid, the senate minority leader. >> one of his college buddies got a tax return. they were going to take a vacation from the cold of delaware. they went to florida. they didn't like it. they had a few dollars left over from the tax returns and they went to the bahamas and they got kind of an inexpensive hotel. i was going to say cheap but let's say inexpensive. but right next to them was an exclusive hotel and they noticed
when the people came out of the fancy hotel off that private beach many times they would lay their towel on the fence. so joe and his pal said, well, those towels aren't even wet. so they went down to that private beach and it was that that he met a young woman by the name of nelia hunter. i'm sure just like jill she must have been a knockout to look at. she went to the university of syracuse. he was on the dean's list. she'd been homecoming queen. that was the beginning of a relationship they had, joe had been smitten. after graduating from the university of delaware he
enrolled in syracuse to be closer to her. the story of his aiand nelia's relationship was stunning. i repeat, it was something movies were made of. without being too personal but i'll just say it the way it is because it's a wonderful story and i can identify with it so well because of landra and me -- landra and i, i should say -- there came a time when her father came to her and said, you know, he's not that much, he's -- he comes from a family that isn't like ours and she said "dad, stop, because if you make me choose between you and show, i'm going to choose joe." so that was that relationship. as i repeat, landra and i
understand that story quite well they had three children, beau, hunter and naomi. after starting his law practice, joe stunned and embarrass add few of his friends and relatives by saying he was going to run for the senate. you run for the senate? against a two-term incumbent caleb boggs? i think i can do it. i'm sure he said to himself a lot of people said i couldn't overcome certain things, i did and i'll do my best to overcome this race i'm in, i'm starting way behind. joe and his family went at this as hard as they could, canvassed the entire state and they pulled
off an incredible upset. joe biden was elected to the united states senate. in every respect joe's life has been unique. >> so, again that is senator harry reid sharing stories about vice president joe biden as they give him a tribute, honoring prior to him leaving his seat in the white house and moments ago we heard from senate majority leader. republican mitch mcconnell who paid tribute in this way. >> presiding officer back in the senate, good news for everyone when he's in the chair. good news for him because as the senator pointed out, the rest of us have to call him mr. president. [ laughter ] good news for the rest of us because he has to let everyone else talk. [ laughter ] >> the amazing thing is, the man we honored today wasn't always a talker. he suffered the a debilitating
stutter for most of his childhood. he was teased for it. but he was determined to overcome it with hard work, with determination, with the support of his family, it's classic joe biden, he's never stopped talking since. [ laughter ] . he cites overcoming that stutter as one of the most important lessons in his life. it led him down a path few might have foreseen. winning an election to the county council. securing an improbable victory for the u.s. senate, becoming our nation's 47th vice president. >> who knew about that stutter? joe biden, that was new to me. with me now, cnn presidential historian doug brinkley and cnn chief political analyst gloria borger.
it's fun to hear stories from these friends, these colleagues, obviously some of these folks who have been there in washington a long time know joe biden well because he has been there since 1972 when he was first elected to the senate. he wasn't even 30 years old at the time now he leaves as vice president age 74. gloria, when you reflect back on what we have known and learned about joe biden, his time in washington, in politics, what do you think has been his defining moment or calling or champion issue? >> well, there are a bunch of issues that he has championed, prominent among them is if violence against women act which he shepherded and is incredibly proud of. when i think of joe biden -- again, he's the definition of a fixture in the united states senate. he'd been there for 36 years before he was tapped to become vice president. in his adult life he's really
only known public service. he's not a wealthy man. he is somebody who has only served in lots of different ways. he was chairman of the senate foreign relations committee as well but the word that comes to mind when i think about joe biden -- and i'm curious to what doug thinks about this -- is authentic. we talk about politicians who just are -- stick on their talking points and we know joe biden does not do that. ever. much to the chagrin of his staff but with joe biden what you see is what you get. he is an authentic person who has a set of believes who is not afraid of talking about them and who tried a couple of times to run for the presidency. in 1988 about again in 2008 and decided not to this year because his life has also been beset by tragedy. he lost his first wife and a one-year-old daughter in a car
accident right after he was elected to the senate when he was 29 years old. and then just lost his son beau biden, who was 46 years old, to cancer last year. >> well, and gloria mentions this challenge for joe biden near the end of his term. we heard from mitch mcconnell, some of his earlier challenge, overcoming the speech impedim t impediment. dough brinkley, when history books write their stories about joe biden, how do you think they will reflect on him as a human being and as a public servant? >> well, everybody calls him joe. i once did a profile of him for a magazine and walked around with him and people'd say "hey, joe." not "hi, mr. vice president." so there was a familiarity people had with joe biden. he seemed like the every man. he always talked about growing up in scranton and taking the amtrak train to delaware and his presence in washington, d.c. with his wife jill, they're
beloved here. they know everybody and so they are almost institutions in the town of washington but i think he'll be remembered in history being barack obama's two-term vice president, the fact that when president obama had difficulty doing business on capitol hill, joe biden was get in there and work with mitch mcdonnel, work on unemployment issues, work on tax relief issues, work on a variety of measures when things seemed stuck, including keeping the government running. i don't know if we've ever had a vice president that was so important as joe biden in the sense of his friendship with barack obama and so his role in both the senate and as vice president are very large indeed. >> we'll have to leave it there. thank you both for sharing your thoughts. up next, 75 years since the bombing of pearl harbor.
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75 years later, the japanese attack on pearl harbor remains the most devastating attack in u.s. naval history. vice president-elect mike pence and senator john mccain honored the fallen heroes of pearl harbor laying a wreath at the world war ii memorial in washington. and former president gorge h.w. bush, his wife barbara and bob
dole were present at a pearl harbor ceremony at the bush library in college station, texas. cnn correspondent kyung lah has a look at the horrors of pearl harbor through the eyes of a young naval officer who survived it. >> reporter: ask pc wilson the secret to reaching age 95 in good health, he'll say a love of horse racing and experience in surviving. do you think, "i'm a war hero." no, no, gosh. just the opposite. think what you could have done or didn't do. >> the japanese have attacked pearl harbor. >> reporter: 75 years ago, wilborn was a 21-year-old petty first class officer in the navy. what did it feel like to be in the middle of that. >> i didn't have no fear because i see everything is happening
and it just seemed like a -- unreal. >> reporter: daughter edie and her husband ron. >> they paid a big price for us to be free. >> how old are you here? >> i was 24. 25. >> reporter: they had pictures and saw their father's purple heart, but wilborn never talked about world war ii until, for reasons no one can explain, a few years ago -- >> just started talking? >> just started talking, i'm sad to say i didn't have a tape recorder to get. >> it >> reporter: he hasn't stopped talking. wilborn sharing horrors of the men he couldn't save on board the uss "oklahoma." >> you could hear tapping on the wall, people thinking they were going to get rescued. after about two days, maybe in the third day it stopped and no more. >> reporter: more than 400 men died on the "oklahoma." 75 years later you can still recall that sound. >> oh, gosh, yes.
it was about the saddest thing i saw in the navy because i don't know, you seem so helpless. >> reporter: unlike many survivors, wilborn never went back to pearl harbor. that's changing this year, 75 years later he's returning for the first time since that day of infamy. what changed? why did you start thinking about it? >> it's a sad day and -- but -- i don't know, you try to get it out of your mind and it don't go. >> reporter: so this survivor faces one last battle of his own memories. kyung lah, cnn, collinsville, illinois. >> what a man. up next, new details about the deal president-elect trump says he made with carrier to keep hundreds of jobs in the u.s. well, now the ceo of carrier's parent company says they there really was no deal at all and he
more now about carrier, the company whose indiana jobs president tru president-elect donald trump took credit for saving. carrier says in a few weeks prices are going up by as much as 5% on heaters and air-conditioners. the ceo of the parent company, united technology, spoke to cnbc about his conversations with the president-elect. take a listen. >> i was born at night but not last night. i also know that about 10% of our revenue comes from the u.s. government. and i know that a better regulatory environment. lower tax rate can eventually help utc over the long run. so we weighed all those things in making the decision, with the board -- >> you weighted. the president-elect didn't say, greg, have you seen how many engines we buy from you? it did not come up. >> it did not come up. there was no deal. there was no quid pro quo him saying, i am not going to tax you if you do this. he said take a hard look at it.
we worked with governor pence and i think we came up with a good solution for everybody. keep the plant open. 1100 people employed in indianapolis. we get to do the preponderance of the restructuring that we were going to do anyway. >> bringing in cristina alesci. one of the union reps here tells cnn they felt like they were part of a dog and pony show at the big announcement. how do you think this will shake out long term for carrier employees? >> it's an excellent question. carrier the company is happy to let trump take a victory lap, like many other companies have been. they know in the long term they might get fewer taxes, less regulation. so they're willing to take the long view here. the problem is that people get hurt in the intervening period, right? i spoke to the union today. they told me there were people who believed their jobs were saved and then only to find out, oh, no, you know, there are a certain part -- there's a certain part of the plant that is going to mexico indeed.
so the problem with the way trump is handling these announcements and these deals is that, when he puts it out on twitter that he is saving jobs or that he is encouraging investment here in the u.s., he only gives part of the story. the part of the story that makes him look good. he doesn't talk about what the costs are to these particular deals. for example, with carrier, taxpayers of indiana are going to burden some of the costs associated with keeping these jobs because the state is giving the company some tax breaks. so the larger question is, do americans want the president to negotiate these one-off deals, behind closed doors, without fully understanding all of the unintended consequences -- >> and you're learning there weren't as many jobs saved as initially reported, right? >> that's exactly right. so when the deal came out and donald trump and pence announced it, they referenced 1100 jobs. in fact, the number is 800 jobs. so, again, when people heard
1100, especially the people in indiana who i went to go visit, they thought all of the jobs are saved. but in fact that wasn't the case. there were -- there is a line -- there is a particular part of the factory that is actually getting shipped to mexico to do that work. >> interesting. i know we couldn't play the whole clip for time reasons. but there is another section where he references the shift towards automation, which means longer term we could see -- >> longer term how do you save jobs from technology and an intensely cheaper overseas. >> thank you for staying on top of it. up next, president-elect trump picks a third general for his inner circle. what we know about retired general john kelly now chosen to be the secretary of homeland security.
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dead. two juveniles are now under arrest for allegedly starting the fires there. the suspects charged with aggravated arson in the wildfire that spread to gatlinburg, tennessee, and burned more than 1600 buildings. that will do it for me on this wednesday. thank you for being here. "the lead" with jake tapper starts right now. thanks ana. you might not believe who is advising president-elect trump on his cabinet. "the lead" starts right now. trump called obama's presidency a disaster, but now the president-elect says he takes obama's cabinet recommendations very seriously, and he says obama thought very highly of at least one of his picks. we are guessing it wasn't his reported pick for the epa who calls climate science unsettled. shots in the dark. rebel fighters in syria, desperately trying and failing to stop bombs from demolishing buildings and ending lives. still some say they'd rat