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and injure dozens more. paul cruickshank is our terror analyst in london right now. paul, you've uncovered a lot of details about what german authorities knew. giant investigative report you've been poring through. >> that's right, 345 pages of it, been looking through it over the past few hours. really extraordinary revelations. the germans had a police informant inside this isis recruiting network to which amri belonged to and that police informant was reporting back details to investigators, including the fact he wanted to launch attacks, including the fact members of his circle, part of this network, wanted to launch truck attacks, truck ramming attacks in germany, which they were hoping not only just to ram into people but also to put bombs on board the truck and also load it up with a lot of gasoline and even more spectacular attack. and that's all very worrying because it suggests he has other people who can help him hide. but also other people who may be
able to furnish him with more weapons, even with explosives to carry out a secondary attack. and then, concerning as well, because there are all these other individuals linked to the network. some of which are still at large. who could, themselves, launch strikes against germany. so this is a very worrying period now upcoming. not only do the germans need to take this individual into custody but they really need to hammer this entire network. they were able to make five arrests. back in november, the five leading figures they felt in this network. they obviously focused on those five individuals, the more senior members, the older members, people who were teaching, cajoling members to attack. some of the members of this network, they didn't do surveillance in such an intensive way because of that need to prioritize, and they were left out in the open, and of course one of them has moved
forward and launched this attack. >> you know, paul, i do understand the need to prioritize. we also constantly hear about the manpower it takes to constantly surveil people. but strikes me that in this case they had a critical mass of data pointing to anis amri as a serious and imminent threat to germany. is it surprising to you? because you've seen a lot of these instances. surprising to you he somehow manage to slip through the cracks? >> i would use the word jaw droppingly surprising. i mean, even despite the fact that there's such a huge challenge that they have with the number of people they're having to monitor in germany, in europe, the fact that they have limited resources that they feel overstretched. there were major warning signs here. this individual was extremely dangerous and extremely committed to want to act. and so by not having in recent
weeks that intense surveillance on him, that gave him an opportunity to move forward with an attack. we're going to have to wait and see what explanation the germans come up with for why there wasn't in recent weeks that intense surveillance on him. did he somehow manage to sort of get away, start hiding somewhere, where they couldn't follow him? what were the reasons that they were not tracking him more closely? and they're going to have to look at all the other members linked to this network still at large now. and to come up with a determination about whether they are -- but of course it's difficult because to bring people into custody, you have to have enough evidence to charge them with terrorism offenses. in germany, there's a very, very high bar when it comes to that and the word of a police informant may not be enough. >> all right, paul cruickshank,
standby it standby, i want to go live to berlin and outside the christmas market in that city which has reopened today, albeit with new security measures, new unformed officers scattered about. you can see pictures of them setting up that market earlier today. it is nighttime there now with memorials in place and flowers and people there to pay their respects. cnn's erin mclaughlin live in berlin. we just did hear from the german chancellor angela merkel. >> that's right, john, and she is under intense pressure to find the main suspect at the heart of this manhunt. 24-year-old tunisian national amri. she said they are growing increasingly confident he is the man who perpetrated this attack, citing his fingerprints which were found inside the cabin of the truck. in that statement, she also took a moment to remember the victims of the attack. take a listen to what she had to say.
>> translator: we have known for a long time and the minister mentioned it, that we are a target for the islamist terrorists, and if then such an incident happens, as the one we had, then that's something else. so in every hour, we are with the -- our thoughts are with the victims and also the relatives and we think of everybody in hospitals and we must work as best as possible. >> now, while germans are mourning the victims of this attack, many that i've been speaking to are expressing outrage at the way security services has handled amri's case, especially considering they knew he had links to this pro-isis recruitment network, that he had been arrested,
detained, back in august for trying to cross illegally into italy, on forged documents, but a judge allowed him to go free. in june, he had been -- authorities tried to deport him back to dtunisia but failed aftr failing to concretely identify him. the fact he was able to drive a 25-ton truck through the christmas market just behind me, killing 12 people, and walking away undetected, all of those things have germans outraged here tonight, john. >> all right, erin mclaughlin, thank you. paul cruickshank is still with us. paul, you talked about the jaw-dropping gaps in follow-up from german authorities. that's sort of the glass half empty, extremely empty, i should say, look at this. the glass half-full point is they do now have a lot of information about where to look, things they can follow up on, perhaps leads in their search. what's the latest on that? >> well, thanks to this police informant, they have a very
detailed member of this network. they have addresses. they have phone numbers. they have locations where this group frequented so they can go back to those places, look at the phone traffic, to try and pick up any trace of him. but this is a group whose purpose was to hide and smuggle people and try to get them out of the country and join with isis or for radicals already inside germany to give them safe houses so they could prepare for terrorist attacks. so this is a group that has some experience in hiding someone. it may well be that there were several others within this network, who knew this was coming and had a plan in place with an address somewhere in germany that they felt comfortable, was not on the radar screen, security services to hide him. that may mean it will be quite
complicated for the germans now to figure out where he is. we saw after the attacks in paris with salah abdeslam, he managed to hide for four months because of this kind of logistical support, that people who are sympathetic toward isis had been able to provide. >> paul cruickshank, we'll let you get back to that investigative report, 345 pages. we'll hear from you again. thanks, paul. we have some breaking news right now. the obama administration says it is ending a dormant program once used to track mostly muslim men entering the united states. "the new york times" first reported this story. the the program is called national security entry/exit registration system. it started after the 9/11 attacks. the obama administration stopped using it in 2011. cnn justice correspondent evan perez joins us from washington with the details. what are you learning? >> the homeland security department says they're
dismantling this program. they stopped using it, as you mentioned, in 2011. apparently, according to obama administration official, it has been obsolete. it's never once flagged a terrorist. and so it was a program that was useless. it was a program that was set up after 9/11, as you mentioned. it targeted students, workers, terrorists -- tourists, rather, not terrorists, anybody coming into this country who was trying to commit terrorism. it was in 25 countries, including north korea. but most of the countries were mostly muslim populations. so that's the reason why there's criticism for it. in recent days, we had seen various organizations, civil rights organizations, the new york attorney general asked the obama administration to get rid of it completely. out of fear it could be used as sort of architecture for donald trump's stated goal of setting up some kind of registration system for muslims. as you know, the trump team has
now disavowed that. they say they're going to do a much smarter system to try to target countries -- people from countries where there is an increased risk of terrorism, john, but at this point, the program now is no more. simply because it was obsolete. it never really did anything. so now the obama administration says they've gotten rid of it. >> right, i mean, the question was why you'd dismantle something that's dormant anyway and the answer is for political reasons because the trump -- incoming trump administration, a year ago, donald trump talked about a muslim ban. his people have clarified he wants to do heavy screening, extreme screening on certain people coming in from certain countries, and this would have provided the architecture for that. so in theory, what would the trump administration v have to do to reinstate it? >> write new legislation and start their own program.
this is in response to some of these groups around the country that had asked the administration to get rid of it. but really nothing would stop the incoming administration from writing new regulations to do something exactly like this. look, the issue here is that it was a useless program because in the years after 9/11, the united states enacted tougher security restrictions on visas, including fingerprinting and background checks and so on. so it really wasn't working anymore. it wasn't a useful program. that said, john, i think you're right, the incoming president could simply write new regulations and it would probably be very much legal if he did that. >> this lets the obama team say it wasn't our program that a president trump used to do something. that's why people think this might be more political. >> exactly. >> evan perez, thank you. a cybersecurity firm says there's direct ties between the russian military and the hack into dnc e-mails. we'll have details on that just
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issued this report. the company has found in its view that, in fact, the hack into the democratic e-mails was tied back to russian military intelligence. interestingly, they find a similar pattern of a russian military hack that impacted soldiers, the military force, of ukraine, giving the russian military the ability to track ukrainian soldiers. they find some parallels in how these different cyberattacks happened. it's interesting, the u.s. intelligence community has let it be known in recent days it believes that the hack is tied to the russian government, to the highest levels, all the way potentially to vladimir putin. we here at cnn had been told several days ago that the u.s. intelligence community looking at this found essentially the equivalent of a cyber fingerprint. they found evidence that this was tied back to possibly one of two russian military agencies. elements of the russian military
intelligence. the only ones capable of engaging in such a sophisticated attack. in fact, one u.s. official saying it was the equivalent of the cyber tools that are used by the u.s. national security agency. that part of the u.s. government that engages in cyber activity. very sophisticated. only capable of being done by the russian military intelligence community. and they would not do it unless vladimir putin knew about it and wanted it to happen. john. >> all right, barbara starr. remember, we do expect an official intelligence review before january 20th. thank you so much, barbara. new this morning, donald trump, standing by one of his favorite phrases from the campaign trail. he just put this out on twitter. he says, someone incorrectly stated that the phrase drain the swamp was no longer being used by me. actually, we will always try to be dts, drain the swam. after some supporters suggested
maybe the phrase was going away. senior washington correspondent jeff zeleny, also cnn political analyst and washington bureau chief at the daily beast jackie kucinich and politics reporter at the daily beast jeffrey woodward. so jeff, drain the swamp, it was out, now it's in, what's going on? >> john, it does seem like it's in. the someone who donald trump is referring to is newt gingrich. the former speaker of the house. who started this all again this week by -- in an interview on npr by saying he was told donald trump wants to stop using that phrase, drain the swam. so newt gingrich tweeted this, he said, i goofed, drain the swamp is in, donald trump is going to do it, and the alligators should be worried. of course, john, a little bit of translation here. alligators, not the kind you may find in waters in florida, not necessarily here. but other waters in florida. means lobbyists, means consultants, means others. donald trump of course is filling his administration. some people have worked as lobbyists before. some people still currently are
lobbyists. so the question here, the point of all this, substantively, is, is donald trump going to drain the swamp, change things in washington? always harder to do than to say on the campaign trail. donald trump in one tweet saying he is still intending to do it. newt gingrich backtracking today big time. >> it's interesting, jeff. perhaps the twitter back and forth and sub tweeting between donald trump is more interesting than whether or not he is draining the swamp in washington, jackie kucinich. corey lewandowski, his former campaign manager, said today draining the swamp would not be the priority, it would be at the bottom of the list after creating jobs. corey lewandowski setting up a consulting firm that may or may not be giving people access to the administration, which is just the swampy thing donald trump said he would do without. the swamp during the campaign also included wall street financiers at goldman sachs, the
likes of which who will now work in the trump administration. >> right, it seems at this point he's draining the swamp perhaps to see the creatures better. because as you said, corey lewandowski is now going to start a consulting firm that is right next -- actually physically right next to the white house. it's maybe a block away. and then, as you mentioned there are several people from wall street who are very prominent members of his -- not only his transition team, but also that are going to be incoming in his cabinet. so it doesn't -- it's easier said than done. i'm interested how they'll spin this, frankly, #dts. as month as they say it, as much as they say it, they aren't really doing it, just a fact. >> one thing people have told me, trump supporters, this is just the way washington works. the reason we keep bringing this up is because donald trump ran on changing the way washington works. drain the swamp was his promise. >> right, exactly.
and it just indicates the extent to which it's hard to change washington when a lot of the folks you would need to hire to fill those thousands of administration jobs that are now open are people from washington. many people just sort of on the political higher level who have lobbying backgrounds, who have experience working for some of the companies that many trump supporters are frustrated with. that puts him in an awkward position. one of many personnel problems trump has. we also know the trump transition team has been hostile to folks who signed letters during the primary, during the general election, that were critical of trump. that's been an issue as he works to staff up the national security side of his team. from trump's perspective, get rid of all the movement conservatives who were critical, get rid of anyone with a lobbying background, get rid of anyone who can be construed as a swamp creature, the project of putting together the number of staff and employees you need to run a federal government just becomes challenging. i think that's why this campaign promise is a messy one for trump
to figure out how to keep. >> jackie, and jeff, we have news on some trump family members i want to get to you in a second with, jeff. but jackie, it's interesting, just within the last 24 hours, we have seen the trump team be responsive in a way to criticism. jeff reported a short time ago that the president-elect received the presidential daily briefing, the classified briefing for the second day in a row. he'd been criticized for not doing as much earlier. eric trump said today that he would not be soliciting money for a certain charity by selling -- by offering access to him for hunting trips and other things. again, responding perhaps to some criticism about blurred lines over the last few days. do you think these are signs that trump and his team are listening to worries that are out there? >> it's really hard to say honestly. i mean, i wonder if eric trump is listening to his lawyers. because he could be in some pretty hot water if it does look like there's some kind of nepoism going on. when it comes to the
presidential daily briefing, i do wonder if events have forced this, rather than criticism. obviously, there are the presumed terrorist attack in berlin, the assassination of the russian ambassador, there have been world events that would necessitate more information. i wonder if he'd be taking that same approach, had there not been these world events. >> well, they happened, he is receiving them, so those who say they needed to and were critical of him when he wasn't should note that now he is. jeff zeleny, interesting news about ivanka trump and jared kushner and an incident on an airplane. what happened? >> apparently this morning, ivanka, her husband and their three children were flying from new york here to palm beach to spend this holiday weekend at mar a lago behind me here with their family, and there was an incident on a jetblue airplane. they were flying commercially.
and apparently one passenger was hurtling insults at ivanka trump. reportedly shouting at her, saying "your father is ruining the country." this is based on social media accounts. and this passenger was thrown off the plane. now, we do have a statement from jetblue airlines talking about this incident that happened this morning. let's take a look at that statement. it says the decision to remove a customer from a flight is not taken lightly. if the crew determines that a customer is causing conflict on the aircraft. the customer will be asked to deplane. especially if the crew feels a situation runs the risk of escalation during the flight. in this instance, talking about the flight this morning here, jetblue goes on to say, our team worked to reaccommodate the party on the next available flight. now, john, we did talk with a trump transition official who told cnn this. he said the story speaks for itself. it's an incredibly unfortunate situation. and left it at that.
we have seen photographs also that we're going through on social media showing ivanka trump on that airplane this morning. the trump team confirming she was, indeed, flying here to palm beach. so that incident happening of course. a lot of emotions still about this election, but they were simply flying here for a holiday weekend with their family. >> sure, with their kids on board as well. the trump transition says let it speak for itself. we'll let the facts speak for themselves there. one other piece of transition news. we learned the woman who ran donald trump's campaign, at the end of the campaign, kellyanne conway, credited largely with helping to steer it to victory, she has a job in the white house. she will be counselor to the president. it's an important role. she will be perhaps the most influential woman inside the white house. kellyanne conway, you know, she had been offered apparently some other jobs in the administration. she'd been considering a role outside the administration.
so significant move today. >> right, exactly. the trump transition team is having a little fun with kellyanne conway at the expense perhaps of hillary clinton supporters. in the statement they put out about it and then again this morning on the conference call with reporters. a trump spokesman said look, donald trump's election broke the glass ceiling because kellyankell kellyanne conway is the first woman to lead a presidential campaign. another thing is how much support she has in the pro-life community. conservative activists, many religious activists who would like to see tougher restrictions on abortion are extremely happy that kellyanne conway's going to be in the white house. because she's seen as a true believer on that issue in a way that many other folks who are in trump's world, particularly some of the more moderate, pro-choice, new york republican, some of his confidents, aren't seeing quite so much on the same page, so this is a big deal for
social conservatives. >> jeff zeleny, jackie kucinich, thank you very much. a 7-year-old who tweeted to the world about her struggle to survive the horrors of syria is now talking about her ordeal. coming up, she tells how she narrowly escaped bombs in her hometown of aleppo. when are they leaving? grilled cheese and campbell's tomato soup go together like grandchildren and chaos. made for real, real life. ...we turn feelings... ...into jewelry. jewelry that tells her she's the best thing that's ever happened to you. in a way that goes beyond words. it could be a piece jewelry designers created just for jared. or a piece we custom made... ...just for you. because we're more than a store that sells beautiful jewelry. we are jewelers. the one, unique gift... ...that tells her exactly how you feel.
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muhammad lila joins me from the turkish/syria border with the latest on that. also, we are hearing from the 7-year-old bana who inspired the world with her communications from inside aleppo. >> well, that's right, she's given a new video interview today and we'll get to that in a second. earlier, john, you mentioned about the weather conditions and we know what happened when there's rain and there's snow, it usually lead to a lot of mud. very quick anecdote, according to the red cross, they say that part of the agreement to evacuate rebels and civilians from eastern aleppo was they'd be able to take their own vehicles. why would you want to get into a bus run by the syrian government when you've been fighting them? but the problem was, as they were taking their own vehicles, they were getting stuck in the traffic because the weather was creating mud on the road. imagine waiting months to be evacuated from a war zone where you're being bombed almost every day only for your car to break down in the mud and have to wait for a tow truck.
that's exactly what the red cross says was happening today and that explains some of the delays. you mentioned that 7-year-old, bana, she is no longer in syria, she is now in safety in turkey. she met with turkey's president yesterday, erdogan, and she gave a video interview today. here's some of what she said. >> translator: there was bombing and our house was bombed but we survived. we felt afraid and went down to the basement. there was a lot of stones and dust. we were about to die but thank god we survived. my school was bombed. i miss my house. >> john, very captivating story there from bana alabed. as you know, you covered syrian conflict, you see how complicated it can be. she has hundreds of thousands of fans on twitter. certainly very captivating, opening a window on life in eastern aleppo. some critics say look, she's just a 7-year-old girl, she should be allowed to live like a
7-year-old girl, not put in these position, to become a spokesperson like that. that's the criticism. there's no denying the impact her tweets have had around the world. >> think of the generations of kids that will grow up with the memories that she now has. and they're the lucky ones, the ones who survived. muhammad lila, on the turkey/syrian border, thank you. the intense search for the suspect in the berlin terror attack. we are learning about his alleged ties to an isis-recruiting group. we're learning much more about how much authorities knew about him beforehand. an alarming amount. just ahead, a criminal profiler weighs in. also ahead, a record number of people signing up for obamacare. president-elect trump has promised to repeal it. we'll crunch some of the numbers ahead.
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all right, the breaking news, the intense manhunt for a killer in germany. police there confirm a tunisian man's fingerprintsters are truck that crashed into a crowded outdoor christmas market. 12 killed, 48 others hurt. the one suspect so far is on the loose and he's no stranger to terror investigators. they say 24-year-old amri has connections to an isis recruiting network whose members are on record talking about attack crowds with trucks inside germany. joining us, mary ellen o'toole, a senior profiler for the fbi. thank you for joining us. we've been talking to paul cruickshank, our senior terrorism analyst, who told us there's been a jaw-dropping amount of detail that investigators knew about anis amri before the attack. they knew he'd been in touch with isis recruiters.
they knew he had discussed attacks. they knew he had tried to buy a weapon. so when you are looking at this from inside an intelligence agency, shouldn't that set off alarm bells that this person is a serious threat, one you have to keep your eye on, 24 hours a day? >> sure, from a threat assessment perspective, it would, it would suggest that these are red flags that you can't ignore. because you look at basically three things. you look at the personality. you look at the person's background. you look at their behaviors, particularly current behaviors. those three are what we call the totality of the circumstances, and that's where you get the red flags. and it would appear, based on what's been released, there were pretty powerful red flags here. >> you know, one of the things that is sometimes noted is that people talk about doing a lot of things they never end up doing. so, you know, if you are profiling, if you are looking at a whole number of people, how do you know to look for someone who may be doing more than just
talking? >> sure, that's important. the talking is important though. that's one of the biggest red flags, the most powerful ones. it's called leakage. because we know in other cases individuals will leak or talk about what they intend to do. you also look at their prior history. in this case, we have an individual who has engaged in acts of violence that involved a particular kind of violence. it's called instrumental violence. which is violence against people that did nothing to him. it's not reactive. it wasn't like he was trying to protect himself. and then you look for the personality. are there things in there personality that would enable them to engage in acts of violence in a way that other people couldn't. and you have that with him. you have a very callous and cold-blooded individual based on his prior criminal history. and then you have his associations with people that are allegedly also attached to isis and to counter that, you have no other support system
that would be able to act as a detractor. so you have to look at many things here. he does have a history of violence that really can't be overlooked. >> a history of violence. we now believe he carried out a terrorist attack early this week, driving a truck through a crowded market in germany, and we now believe he is on the run. based on what you've seen of this man, how might he behave now that he is on the run? will he try to hide? will he try to kill more people? how do you determine that? >> it appears, from what i've read and heard so far, he is somebody callous and cold-blooded so killing people is in his repertoire. if he left those documents in the truck not by accident but purposely so he would get credit for it, this is somebody who wants the attention. those two facts just together are very concerning in that he's not running to hide because he's
afraid or he feels bad for what he did. he would be someone that would be prepared to either carry out another attack or to engage in a fight with law enforcement. it does not look like it's someone who is sitting around thinking what in the heck did i do, i feel terrible for what i did. that's not the reaction i think we're going to expect. >> ominous. you bring up a great point. a lot of people wondering why he would have left those i.d. documents in the truck behind. was it a mistake or was it so people knew he was the one who carried out this attack. great to have you with us, interesting perspective. the incoming administration is vowing to repeal it but a record number of americans are signing up for obamacare. more on that straight ahead. ♪ music playing your insurance company
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is repeal and replace obamacare. in spite of that or maybe because of it, enrollment just hit a new record. in the meantime, the obama administration is leaving his successor a nice holiday gift, a stronger economy. cnn's alison kosik joins us now. let's start with obamacare, alison. >> you touched on it, despite those promises coming from president-elect trump he's going to repeal and replace obamacare, despite rising premiums in many states, a record number of people have enrolled in obamacare for next year. you look at the numbers. 6.4 million people signed up through the federal exchange. that's 400,000 more than last year. but interestingly enough, the number of new enrollees, that dropped slightly from last year. now, the thinking is a lot of the enrollments were actually auto renews and renewals and these enrollment numbers will have a lot to do about what will take place with the affordable
care act. maybe enrollees aren't happy with the rising premiums and less choice for doctors but the thinking is they'd rather have something, you know, rather than possibly nothing or in this case, the unknown. but one thing to think about, john, experts do say if the president-elect gets rid of obamacare, coverage likely won't be affected until 2018 at the very earliest. john. >> all right, and then there's the issue of gross domestic product. we had good numbers out today. >> we found out the u.s. economy grew at a healthy clip, 3.5% in the third quarter compared to a year ago. so this follows actually a very anemic quarter. the second quarter was at 1.4% pace. so you look at the quarter between july and september. the economy actually had its best performance in two years. it was helped by some big soy bean exports and consumers would got out and spent their money. you look at this and see it's
yet another sign that the u.s. economy is doing better. and ironically enough not far from where the president-elect wants to be. he wants to be at 4%. keep in mind, thisquarter. okay, i can't leave you without talking about the elephant in the room. the question being asked every day, john, has the dow hit 20,000 yet. no, it hasn't. and now they bought out the hats, the almost 20,000. it's becoming more and more elusive. the dow kind of going the wrong way. you look at what an amazing run the dow has had. it's up more than 1,000 points the day after election day, john. >> capitalism at work. people making hats that say "almost 20,000." america. alison kosik, thank you, appreciate it. president obama really like you've never heard him before. he's talking about his legacy. he has some parting words for the conservative media as he gets ready to leave 1600 pennsylvania avenue. e hundreds of dollars
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developing this morning, a pretty interesting discussion about nuclear weapons from the two great nuclear powers of the world. the current leader of russia and the incoming leader of the united states. both saying they want to bolster their nation's nuclear arsenals. let me just read you something donald trump just wrote. the united states must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability until such time as the world comes to its senses regarding nukes. this follows a statement from the vladimir putin where he said really verdict wale tirtually t. now, what's going on with these back and forth statements regarding developing nuclear weapons. >> the current russian leader, the incoming american leader, talking suddenly, both of them using the same phrase, strengthening their nuclear weapons. and the world is not certain at
this hour what either man is exactly talking about. it really doesn't get more serious than that. talking about nuclear weapons and not knowing what they mean. now, donald trump talking about this. the tweet you pointed out. help sa he says the u.s. must greatly strengthen and expand its nuclear capability. we know that mr. trump yesterday at mar a lago was briefed by some u.s. military officials, one of them u.s. air force general deeply involved in nuclear modernization. we know mr. trump has talked about the need to modernize the nuclear force. not necessarily expand the number of weapons. but that the aging infrastructure is a problem because other countries are moving forward with modernizing their weapons. so we're not certain what mr. trump is talking about. but he's talking about nuclear capability. let's say for the moment he's talking about modernizing the infrastructure. what is mr. putin talking about. well, vladimir putin has just
also said, talking about russia, we need to strengthen the military potential. he's not talking capability, potential of strategic nuclear forces, especially with missile complexes that can reliably penetrate any existing and perspective missile defense system. those last three words, missile defense system. what vladimir putin is upset about are u.s. plans to put missile defenses in europe. he believes that's a threat to russia. the u.s. has long said it's to defend against iranian missiles. but mr. putin now today talking very much more specifically about strengthening the military potential of his strategic nuclear forces. right now, the number of nuclear warheads are of course limited by treaties. whether these two sides are talking about the same thing, two different things or the russians are looking to try and expand their force, the most interesting thing right now, we
don't know the answer to that question. >> when leaders of nuclear powers talk about building the nuclear force, you need to pay attention and we do need some answers on this. barbara starr, thank you so much. the current president of the united states, president obama, unfiltered. a series of interviews with the atlantic, getting pretty candid about his legacy and is now saying he thinks the conservative media has vilified him. he says you understand if people are angry that somehow the government is failing, then they are going to look to the guy who represents government. and that applies, by the way, even to some of the folks who are now trump supporters. they're responding to a fictional character named barack obama who they see on fox news or they hear about through rush limbaugh. cnn senior media correspondent, host of "reliable sources" brian stelter, also cnn contributor, former mayor of philadelphia, michael nutter. gentlemen, thank you so much for being with us. you don't get the sense, brian, president obama's going to watch much fox news in retirement.
>> is the president took swipes at fox over the years, but now he's commenting much more directly on what he thinks fox did to his presidency. we knew in 2009 fox news was an opposition network to obama. rush limbaugh, conservative talk radio, as well. i would say did the president do enough to try to persuade those viewers, those voters? did he do enough to try to reap out to conservative media listeners. or did he tweet it as a lost cause. i think candidly some aides look back and say maybe there was more they could have done. as obama has said repeatedly if you watch fox, you probably weren't going to vote for him. it did have an impact. he's talking about that bluntly now. >> mayor, to that point, i mean, the president has been very critical of the conservative media for some time. but does that ignore the possibility that people go to those areas because they feel a certain way, not that they feel a certain way because they're told to think that by washington? >> yes, john, i appreciate
brian's point as well, but look, let's be honest. a lot of this dye was cast pretty early on in president barack obama's tenure. let's not forget, when he came in, when he took the oath of office in january 2009, we were losing 800,000 jobs a month. the president embarked on the economic recovery plan, over $800 billion to deal with the great recession, before it became the second great depression. what happened? not one house republican voted for that plan. and only three republican senators. so after all the hoopla of the election and supposedly quote/unquote post-racial relations in the united states, we see a complete rejection of president obama's efforts to pull the country back from the brink of collapse. then you go from there. so you govern in the moment. i hear the talk about, well, we maybe could have done this or should have done that. that's all reflection to the past. but you're fighting these
fights, engaged in these battles in real time. >> it's true. particularly during that transition eight years ago, there was no time. decisions had to be made immediately to save the economy, as you say. can i read you something -- >> the house is burning down, you're not making remodelling plans, you know. >> this is part of the interview that's interesting with the atlantic where president obama talked about race and criticism by some in the african-american community, that he didn't do enough for the african-american community. let me read you a quote from the president. he said, i hang out with a lot of middle aged black women and they're not casual in their support of me. there's a lot of love forthcoming partly because they understand the constraints of this society. they know this is hard. they also i think see me and michelle trying. they're pretty sophisticated. they understand i'm trying to move an aircraft carrier here, i'm not just steering the speedbo speedboat. there's a lot in that. not just saying by the way that middle aged african-american women love me, but there's some significance there in what he is saying. >> right, well, many of us,
obviously i'm out of office now, but when i was in office, whether as a city council member and certainly eight years as mayor, many african-american elected officials do feel and get a higher level of expectation, i which is fine, and we have much more work to do. i mean, barack obama, president barack obama, the first african-american president of the united states of america, 200-plus years. he is really good. he is really smart. but many of these issues and challenges, especially facing the african-american community, have been built up not just in modern timings but, i mean, if you want to have a longer conversation, we can go way, way back. to suddenly expect that he is going to snap his finger, move a pen or a wand and instantly fix many of the challenges facing the african-american community and communities of color, is just unrealistic. but let's talk about the 7 million african-americans who do now have health care. and the many who did not lose their jobs during the course of
the recession or now with the 15 million new jobs created are actually in the workforce. so the president did a lot but he can't do it by himself. he's president, he's not the monarch. >> mr. mayor, brian stelter, thank you for being with us. thank you for joining me at these hours. brianna keilar starts right now. hi there, i'm brianna keilar in for wolf blitzer. it is 1:00 p.m. here in washington, 6:00 p.m. in london and 8:00 p.m. in jerusalem. and wherever you're watching from around the world, thank you for joining us. we're starting with the manhunt in germany for the man police believed slammed a truck into a crowded christmas market. this is the suspect. anis amri. and police are asking the public for help finding this 24-year-old tunisian. now there's a new video clip of amri. this was something posted on facebook but at this time it is unknown when or where it was shot. ou