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jim sciutto sitting in for anderson. topping the hour. president-elect trump again downplaying the assessment of 16 u.s. intelligence agencies that russia hacked american computers, tampered, in effect, with american democracy. this time, his words come just hours after the sitting president unleashed sanctions on moscow and left open the possibility of more action to come. in a moment, what trump said just a short time ago. but first, cnn's athena jones on the sanctions. she joins us now. so, athena, explain these sanctions and in particular, why the president took these actions now. >> well, the president, jim, is calling these actions necessary and appropriate and saying they're coming after repeated public and private warnings to the russian government. he says that all americans should be alarmed by russia's actions, and he repeated his assertions that these activities could only have been directed by the highest levels of the russian government. so what are the steps the u.s. is taking?
well, the treasury department has named nine entities and individuals who are now going to be subject to expanded sanctions. among those, russia's military intelligence unit and its chief. also, the domestic security service. the state department, as you mentioned, is declaring 35 russian intelligence operatives persona non grata and giving these five 72 hours to leave the country. the government is also shutting down two russian-owned government compounds, one in new york and one on the eastern shore of maryland, not for from washington, d.c. the white house says russia shouldn't be surprised by these actions and they're stressing that the announced moves are not the quote, sum total of our response. the u.s. is also taking covert measures, and all of this is aimed at delivering a message to russia. that message, that there are costs and consequences to their actions. jim? >> reactions so far from the kremlin then? >> there is reaction. they have vowed reciprocal measures and those measures are already beginning. russian authorities have ordered
the american school of moscow to close according to a u.s. official briefed on the matter. that school's principal tells our own matthew chance in moscow that they can't confirm the closure and he's waiting for specific details. but we know that more measures are on the way. russia's foreign spokeswoman says in a statement that russia will announce retaliation measures on friday. saying tomorrow will be the official statements, countermeasures, and lots of other things. jim? >> it's going to continue. we'll be following it. athena jones, thanks very much. now, the trump response, which as we mentioned at the top was notably brief. it said, in full, quote, it's time for our country to move on to bigger and better things. nevertheless, in the interest of our country and its great people, i will meet with leaders of the intelligence community next week in order to be updated on the facts of this situation, end quote. more now from cnn's sunlen serfaty who joins us from just outside mar-a-lago. so sunlen, from those around
donald trump been echoing what's in that sentiment? in effect, expressing continued doubts about this assessment? >> reporter: that's right, jim. and that's why this very short statement by president-elect donald trump should really come at no surprise. because it really does keep in mind with the posture that he and members of his transition team have been taking in the last days and weeks about this. you know, that is really to dismiss the claims of the intelligence community, the conclusions, i should say, of the intelligence community. and really trying to deflect blame away from the russians on this. and really, a lot of expressions of doubt that russia was behind this. you know, we heard from sean spicer, who, of course, is the incoming white house press secretary once they take over in january. him today saying in essence, point-bla point-blank, that they need more solid proof prosecute intelligence community why they need these conclusions and calling on the intelligence communities to do so in a public way. now, we know that president-elect donald trump will receive a private briefing at some point next week. we know that that likely is
going to happen in new york city, where potentially he would be presented with some of the evidence that they found. >> i mean, he's already been getting daily briefings, right? he hasn't taken them every day. what does he expect to get this that briefing that he hasn't already seen? >> that's absolutely a very good point. he did receive his most recent intelligence briefing we know yesterday at his resort here in florida and there has been much to say, whether he's getting enough of these briefings, getting them a few times, i believe, three times a week. but clearly, this is a little bit of due diligence on the president-elect's part. although he's saying in this statement, a very stern let's move on, let's move past this, but he is saying, look, i will take a meeting with the intelligence community. i think most interesting will be to see what comes out of that meeting, what donald trump says afterwards, does it change what he's saying or anything going forward? one of the biggest questions this statement just doesn't answer is will trump as president once he takes over after january 20th, will he
reverse these sanctions as the new president or not? >> he'll be president, he can do it. sunlen serfaty, thanks very much. back with the panel and joining us as well this hour is trump supporter, jeffrey lord. help me out here. we've known each other for a while and have open and frank conversations. what's going on here? why -- and again, he's isolated on this. republican leaders, i mean, hard-core leaders, mcconnell, ryan, they say it's russia. they say they want actually harsher penalties. why is donald trump picking a fight? it's not just with the obama administration, it's with his own party. >> well, a coue thingshere. number one, he wants the facts, that's for sure. there's no question that i'm sure that's exactly -- >> but jeffrey lord, come on, that's a little -- it's a little -- if the intelligence community -- we all want the facts. he's been getting briefed three to four times a week, you know? >> jim, jim, look, look. let me just tell you here, and this is no news. whether it was president bush
and the weapons of mass destruction or president kennedy, i have found a quote from president kennedy in "the new york times," in a story that "the new york times" wrote on the cia in 1966, and it says after the bay of pigs disaster, in which jfk was so ill-advised by the cia -- >> we know the intelligence community has made mistakes before, on the bay of pigs, on wmd, we know that. >> all right. i'm saying to you, these people can make mistakes. >> no question, but they can also -- they can also get things -- they can get things right. they got it right that china hacked the u.s. they got it right that north korea hacked sony. they found bin laden p. i mean, i'm not shilling for the intelligence community. it's basically a strategy to say that -- well, i believe them. >> we need a new set of eyes on the intelligence community. and i think that's what the president will bring. and let's be candid here. you, yourself, just reported a little bit ago that the obama administration was concerned about this, but didt want to bring it up during the campaign, because they would quote/unquote
hate or however you said it, a possible hillary clinton election. in other words, there's politics at play here. and i can assure you as someone who's been in the white house and worked on capitol hill, these bureaucracies are, you know, filled with politics on occasion. so -- >> well, i -- >> let's not -- >> well, that's a pretty broad charge to say, that the 16 intelligence agencies are motivated he. what the president does with the intelligen is one thing, but you're, in effect, saying that this assessment is based on politics. >> what i'm saying here is, he wants to see the facts, the evidence. and by the way, by the way, no small thing here, if the story here is influence of non-citizens, vladimir putin and russians or whatever on the american government in an election, then that goes to every non-citizen who may have voted in america for the last -- >> jeffrey, jeffrey -- that's a pretty dramatic turn.
jonathan -- we're not talking about that right now. we've had -- >> let me first -- >> actually, actually, jeffrey, if we're talking about evidence, if we're talking about evidence, let's see evidence of the 2 to 3 million people who supposedly fake voted in this election. >> i'm sorry, it's out there. >> jeffrey, it's -- >> jeff! okay, jeff. >> there's no basis to 2 million or 3 million people who voted illegally. studies have been done and they found like half a dozen people. so let's drop that. jonathan, what's your reaction? >> let me first of all wish my friend jeff and monica happy holidays and happy new year. i haven't seen jeff in a while. some of what i said in the last segment, and jeff is going to like the first part hoof what i said, as i said before, jim, i don't trust the cia. i think it is wise for us to exercise a fair amount of skepticism if the facts are not
presented openly to the american people. that doesn't mean that i don't think that vladimir putin is a thug and a xenophobe and a dangerous individual. i just think that looking at history, the cia, and i'm sorry, they are trained to lie. this is what they do. and if you go back to the church committee hearings in the 1970s, or what the cia did in the assassination -- now, i am not defending, when i say that, donald trump. let me be clear about that. because the second point i'm going to make, which i made before, and jeff isn't going to like this one, part of the problem is that donald trump is not capable of understanding either russia did, he's not capable of understanding the difference between our nuclear weapons triad, he does not understand that over the last 30 to 40 years, republican and democratic administrations have sought to reduce nuclear weapons. donald trump is essentially foreshadowing an arms race.
he is a dangerous ignoramus. so when we're now confronted with the situation of trying to analyze this information, we're asking someone who is not capable of understanding this. >> respectfully, john -- >> monica -- >> we want to give you a chance -- >> -- these relations and now they're in tatters. that's dangerous ignoramus. >> it's a fair point. the obama administration started with a reset, it failed. george w. bush started with "i can see into putin's eye" end anded with the invasion of georgia. both parties have misread russia. monica, i want to ask you what the view from inside trump camp is? because it is just that they see this push to investigate as a way to delegitimatize his election, or is there also a sincere, substantiative doubt that russia is behind these attacks? or perhaps is there both? >> i think there's both. but i think the first is clearly the thing that gets his -- that
gets trump's goat. and you know, he's responding, i think, to that when he says, let's move on. that's the most important thing. hays going to get an intelligence briefing next week, but come on, we know how he has responded to a lot of the intelligence briefings. he wants to move on. his advisers tell me, we're going to go on american jobs, we're going to fight isis. and another adviser told me this afternoon that he is watching and they're kind of shocked that obama is acting tougher in the last four days against the two countries that trump wants to improve relations, israel and russia, than he's acted in the last four years against isis. so they're saying, we want to be tough on isis, and suddenly obama in the last three weeks of his administration, is tough on russia. and israel. >> well, there's a difference between israel and -- >> jeffrey, i'll give you the last -- actually, jonathan, i'll give you the last on jeffrey before we have to go. >> who gets the last word? >> jeffrey would never talk to
me again if i didn't -- >> all right, i'll -- >> jeffrey, quick thought and -- >> that's all donald trump wants. >> and then you -- >> not the same thing -- not the same thing as the administration taking a completely moral and principled position to abstain from a resolution on palestine and on the settlements, with the entire world that the united states supports. but now the u.s. is now with the entire international community, condemning those settlements, as it should. >> gentleman and ladies, thanks to all of you all. and i wish you all sincerely a very happy new year. >> same to you. >> okay. happy new year, everyone. coming up next, a cnn exclusive on how much u.s. intelligence may know about where to find the leader of isis and presumably, make him either the captured or late leader of isis. later, the passing of debbie reynolds a day after her daughter, carrie fisher, died, and the question, can you really die of a broken heart? some answers, just ahead.
if russian president putin is seeking a bigger role on the global stage, as many kremlin watchers believe, there was new evidence late today. he announced that moscow had brokered a cease-fire along with turkey between syrian rebels and the assad regime that went into effect just tonight. isis will be excluded from that truce and there is news, as well tonight, on u.s. efforts to destroy the terror group, namely by decapitation. cnn's barbara starr has the
latest for us. >> reporter: fresh intelligence has emerged about isis leader, abu bakr al baghdadi, just days before president obama leaves office. a u.s. official tells cnn, quote, in the last few weeks, we've been aware of some of baghdadi's movements. the official would not offer additional details due to the sensitivity of the tellinence. >> if there's a trail, it is at least possible to begin to pick up certain things. and when you pick up those certain indications of where a person has been, it becomes far more likely that you can actually find him. >> reporter: no one is saying if the terrorist leader is in iraq or hunkered down in raqqah, syria. but several efforts are underway. u.s. officials tell cnn there are a number of buildings in central raqqah under observation. the u.s. is looking forovement of any senior isis leaders. communications are being
intercepted. from raids in mosul, iraq, documents and data seized and reviewed for fresh tips. u.s. special operations forces on the ground talking to whomever may know something. last month, a rare audio recording encouraging his fighters to stand strong in mosul. the u.s. just raised to $25 million the reward for his capture. the goal has been to take away his layers of protection and security. >> these people have to communicate. even if they don't communicate via the internet or via phone, they have to communicate in one way or the other. >> reporter: u.s. intelligence is focused on isolating baghdadi by killing those close to him. nearly a dozen senior operatives, so far. >> we took out three of isil's key leaders in the last couple of weeks. >> one of the most important isis leaders, abu al nanny also
was killed in an air strike in syria. and this kuwaiti born operative killed just this week. so what if the u.s. was able to capture or kill baghdadi? would it change the course of the war, possibly in the opening weeks of a trump administration? u.s. officials say they believe an isis ideology will live on for some time, long beyond baghdadi. jim? >> no questions, sadly, barbara starr. thanks very much. joining us now, bob baer, former longtime cia officer. also, cnn military analyst and retired lieutenant mark hertling. he's been in the war zone himself a few times as well. general hertling, if u.s. forces to find and kill baghdadi, how crippling will that be to isis? you have al qaeda, then isis lives on after bin laden. where does isis go without baghdadi? >> it's a territory victory, jim. you know that. you've seen so many of these kill or capture moments where
people have been taken off the battlefield. and as barbara's report just said, there are quite a few dead over some of the pictures. and more operatives are being lost every day. so it's significantly affecting an organization. but the ideology is going to live on. baghdadi will be replaced by someone else. and as the wars continue, they keep going to a lower and lower level of people who have the operational capabilities of these kinds of leaders. it will affect the organization, but there'll still be a fight in front of us. >> bob, i wonder. i mean, i know that people were very premature to announce the death of al qaeda after a number of leaders, including, of course, bin laden killed and driven into hiding. but, the truth is, with that successful drone campaign and the tribal areas of pakistan, al qaeda has certainly been under pressure, less capable of
carrying out major attacks abroad. does this -- particularly, not just baghdadi, but a number of other lower and mid-level leaders that have been killed. does that not affect or at least have the potential to affect the capability of the organization? >> i agree with general hertling, it degrades their ability to attack, whether it's in islamabad or saudi arabia, or their focus is on staying alive, which is good for us. but at the end of the day, as general hertling said, this is a movement that it's much deeper than baghdadi. we could kill him tomorrow and the islamic state would continue on. these clerics are easily replaceable. it's an ideology that's widespread. it's based on an ideology in saudi arabia. it's old, it's going to be around for a long time. until there's some sort of political settlement in the middle east, where sunnis feel safe, you're always going to have the risks these people are
going to revert to this irrational violence. so we do have to, if we have the opportunity to assassinate baghdadi, we have to drive the islamic state into the ground, as quickly as we can. but at the same time, we have to come up with a political solution to replace it. >> general hertling, let me ask you. we don't know the answer to this question yet, but do we have signals that give us a sense as to if and how president donald trump will change the strategy to fight isis? >> yeah, the biggest challenge is going to be, what happens in each one of the theaters? and when i say that, i'm talking about the difference between what's going on in mosul and in northern iraq versus what's going on in syria. the mosul fight has been a tough one, jim. you know that. it's gone on longer than the iraqis said, but less time than many of the americans said it would happen. it's going to be a long fight to recover that city and to clean it of the isis fighters. but syria's a different matter. you've heard this before. you now have the russians and
the syrians and the iranians and the turks all talking about what they're going to do next and we'll be left out of that. will turkey, a nato ally, go into northern syria and then ask for nato support? don't know. this is going to continue for a while in syria. >> general hertling, bob baer, thank you, as always. and coming up next, with the tenth anniversary of saddam hussein's execution fast approaching, new details of what u.s. intelligence learned from him just before he was hanged, as you'll see after the break, they come from the cia analyst who grilled him. we've all been here. and here...
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tonight, only on cnn, a mass murderer showdown with another confessed killer. one claims to have been a member of a philippines death squad. the other is president of the country. rodrigo duterte. he, too claims to have personally taken several lives as part of a vigilante killings that date back several decades and have recently morphed into a national war on drugs that have left more than 6,000 people
dead. and that's why this horror story becomes something else yet again. the purported hit man says that president duterte was his death squad boss. and cnn's will ripley has the exclusive interview. >> reporter: edgar says he and philippine president rodrigo duterte have something in common. they both have blood on their hands. i want him to pay for what he did, for the many killings he ordered, he says. if we bring back the death penalty, i hope duterte is the first to hang and then i will follow. dazed before the president took his bloody war on drugs nationwide, he says he was part of a group known in the philippines as the devout death squad, a 2008 u.n. investigation found the shadowy band of assassins was committing hundreds of rders, targeting street children and criminals, all during duterte's
decades-long run as the southern city's gun-toting, crime-fighting mayor, beginning in 1988. i personally killed around 50 people, he says. he shows us a journal with names and dates of some of his victims, written by his wife, because he can't read or write. he also showed his davao city i.d. he said he was a ghost employee, earning just $100 a month to murder on command. >> who was ordering the death squad to kill all these people? we got the orders from mayor duterte, he says. cnn cannot verify his story, but his graphic testimony in september before a senate hearing on vigilante killings shocked the philippines. the country's human rights commission is investigating. the president's office says he changed some details in his story. >> very inconsistent. if you go through the transcript in the senate, you will see for
yourself that matobato is living through his teeth. >> reporter: the president's communications secretary says if the testimony was credible, police would have built a case. >> the dava death squad people are talking about is all lend, it a legend. >> i did kill. >> reporter: duterte tells me he personally gunned down tli people while mayor of davao to set an example for his officers. but in media interviews, he says he doesn't remember matobato and denies ordering vigilante killings. for several years, matobato was in official witness protection. now that duterte's the president, he's just in hiding. we meet at a safe house several hours from manila. he's moved at least ten times in the last year and is currently facing charges of kidnapping and illegal firearms possession. i was told to cut the body parts into pieces, he says.
ma matobato claims they dumped bodies in crocodile farms, in the streets, even in mass graves, but those graves have never been found. >> why are you the only one who has come forward? he says, many of them are scared. if we try to change, we're killed. so you think if they find you, they'll kill you? they will kill me, he says, because now their secrets have been revealed. matobato says he's eager to confess his sins to shine a light on the dark reality behind the president's deadly drug war. will ripley, cnn, manilla. now to another especially bloody chapter in recent history and the ruthless dictator behind it. iraq's saddam hussein. he was hanged for crimes against humanity. it will be ten years ago tomorrow. his nearly quarter century in power ended by the u.s.-led
coalition in 2003. former cia senior analyst john nixon grilled hussein after his capture and writes about it in a new book, "debriefing the president" the integration of saddam hussein. we spoke recently. >> really a fascinating profile, as you look at saddam hussein here. and you describe him as a man of contradictions, charming on the one hand, charismatic, but also brute -- just brutally vicious. >> yes, yes. he was, from the very beginning, our talks has a certain pattern, and in the beginning, he was very kind, very gentle, very nice, very smart, and self-deprecating is and witty, but over time, another saddam emerged, and that was a saddam that seemed to be kind of nasty and mean-spirited and vicious and a little scary at times. in a sense, he was very human in that regard. >> yeah, well, web s saw that i
his actions. he filled a lot of graves. >> that's true. >> you said he was that great politician. we think politics are tough here. politics in iraq, deadly, literally. but you alsxplain him as a local boy who made good. >> yeah. >> explain why. >> he came from tikrit, which wasn't much of anything, a very small town. and one of the things that happened throughout his lifetime was that he was a poor boy who rose to the top of his profession and everybody also underestimated him. and people just thought that he was a nobody and then he managed -- that was one of the ways he managed to get the better of people. and, you know, he -- his roots gave him a very good feel for iraqi politics and the politics of the street, where his roots tripped him up was that he was uneducated, basically. and he didn't understand
international politics and he didn't understand the bigger picture. and that's where he made some of his greatest mistakes. >> let's speak about one of those and that being weapons of mass destruction, right? this idea that -- the reason that the u.s. brought about the invasion, and as it turns out, he didn't have weapons of mass destruction, but he, you know, was keeping that myth alive to some degree, which helped bring on the invasion. why? what was his thinking? >> well, i think that he never -- saddam was one of the most secretive men i've ever met in my life. even in prison, he would always answer a question with a question of his own. and, you know, i think that he viewed any sort of weapons program of his as national security secret, and something that he should not be telling others. he also would have said that he had already disclosed everything that he had and he distrusted theeapons inspections process, because heft that they were infiltrated by spy services who were looking for -- not only for
weapons of mass destruction, but for vulnerabilities to his security and to his regime, and he was not wrong about that. >> now, we have a president-elect here in the u.s. who is, in effect, taking on the u.s. intelligence community, particularly the cia, on the issue of russia hacking the u.s. election and really dismissing their judgment and donald trump in his tweets has called out the cia for getting it wrong on wmd in iraq. from your perspective, 13 years in the agency, how dangerous is that? how damaging is that to have the president pitted against the intelligence community? >> i am deeply disturbed by that development. and i hope that somehow they're able to work things out. both sides need each other. if you have a wall -- i don't want to use that metaphor with donald trump, buff a wall that i arises between the president and his national security community, particularly his national intelligence community, the only people that benefit are our enemies. and that is something we can't
allow to have happen. so president-elect trump needs to take his briefings and he also needs to get his briefings every day and he nee to sort of embrace the intelligence community and the intelligence community needs to serve him well. they can help each other, if they work together. >> john nixon, thanks very much. >> thanks. >>fascinating book. >> thank you. >> coming up, debbie reynolds, carrie fisher wit eer and broke. type 2 diabetes. listen up. we're not professional athletes... but that doesn't mean we're giving up. i'm in this for me. for me. along with diet and exercise, farxiga helps lower blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes, lowering a1c by up to 1.2 points.
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tributes continue pouring in for legendary actress debbie reynolds. the iconic star of "singing in the rain" died just yesterday at los angeles hospital. she was 84 years old. reynolds' daughter, carrie fisher, of course, had died just the day before. dan simon is at the hollywood walk of fame. dan, how are people reacting to all of this, so much news, really, the whole year long, but in 24 hours, two stars from one family. >> well, hi, jim. some people say, what a terrible way to end 2016 with the loss of these two hollywood legends, mother and daughter. we are here on the hollywood walk of fame, in front of the star here, debbie reynolds' star. you can see the things that people have left, flowers. someone actually dropping an umbrella, which is pretty appropriate, even though it is a clear night in hollywood. and just a short distance away,
they did something pretty special. only the 11th time in history, they dimmed the lights there at the famous chinese theater to pay tribute to debbie reynolds. there's been an outpouring of love from celebrities. this tweet from ellen degeneres speaks to the way many people are thinking. she says, i can't imagine what carrie reynolds' and debbie fisher's families are going through this week. i send all my love. and check out this touching tweet. "mother and daughter locked in arms, representing the iconic roles they both played. jim? >> princess leia there and singing in the rain. have you learned the anything about next steps on the family? word on funeral plans the together? do we know yet? >> reporter: not yet, jim. of course, there's been a lot of speculation about that. some people speculating that perhaps there would be a dual funeral. people think that that's perhaps something that both debbie reynolds and carrie fisher would want, but no official word from
the family. and no official word on debbie reynolds cause of death. we know she had some kind of breathing problem following the death of her daughter, that brought on a lot of stress and unfortunately, she died at the hospital, jim. >> to say the least. dan simon, thanks very much. to that question, can all this heartbreak actually be fatal? joining us now is grief and loss specialist, david kessler. david, thank you for helping us here. it's interesting, you hear of this often with elderly couples who have been together for a long time, one dies and shortly thereafter, the other dies. mother and child, i haven't heard that before, but what have you found in your own studies? >> exactly what you've eluallud to. people who have been married for 50 years, the husband dies, the wife follows. in the world of grief, this is not surprising. to see it with a child and a mother, we don't see it quite as often, but given debbie
reynolds' relationship with carrie fisher, it actually makes a lot of sense. >> and is it, people say "of a broken heart," that's an expression, but is it -- you know, it's psychological, it's feeling, right, affecting your physical health. how does it manifest itself? is it a stroke, is it your heart actually failing? >> exactly. so, in the grief world, we have known about this and we had always believed it was strictly a stres pchological factor. but now we're seeing more and more research in cardiology that really points to, this is a form of cardiomyopathy. in fact, the muscles of the heart become enlarged over the stress. and it's not unusual for that to have a ripple effect of a heart attack or even a stroke. >> wow. that's just incredible. i mean, is there something from health professional's perspective you can do about that, to prepare someone for it? to prevent it from happening? >> well, the current thought is that people in grief often have
this, but very few die from it. so, we probably do go through -- our bodies go through a lot of stress when someone close to us dies. and for a few, it becomes deadly. >> yeah, it's interesting, because you often think of the psychological consequences and effects of grief, but you don't think of the physical impact? >> right. this is one more mind/body tie-in we're learning about. and how can it not reside in the body that grief so profound has to impact everything about us. >> and does the fact that carrie fisher's death so sudden, in particular, does that have an impact? make it more likely, perhaps, or at least the body's reaction to it? >> absolutely. i often think about anticipatory grief. we suddey anticipate o parents dying some day. we may even say in a marriage, i'll die before you or you'll
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it is almost that time again, folks when the night is approaching when anderson cooper and kathy griffin stand on the platform in times square and d anderson tries to maintain some form on the platform, and this year, kathy has a this new book, and i have a feeling that it will be coming up. >> this is our 10th anniversary. you are selling a book. you are selling the book. >> oh, my gosh. i didn't even think, and i forgot [ laughter ] >> all right. not only are you selling the book now, but you and i just shot some commercials for new year's eve. >> yes. >> and i noticed that you put your book in one of the commercials. >> i, and that does not sound
like me. >> nobody else seemed to noticet, but i did, and i did not bring it up though. i said that you deserve it, and good for her and you have a book, and let's start with the book. >> because you, personally, you have a love letter in this book. >> which is why i wanted to start with the book. >> i want as many people to read it as possible. >> i know. so you went right to your name and read the section and then your mom's section and you were out. >> no, i have read -- [ laughter ] >> wow. when you know somebody, you know somebody. >> i want to play some of our moments just from last year alone. and not even ten years, but last year. >> what could i have done? >> let's take a look. >> oh. >> not appropriate. >> i can so see you with some of the "walking dead" have you met my boyfriend? he is walking and dead and now i'm the weird one.
that is what you don't get, america. this guy would date somebody from the walking dead even though he is dead. >> how many people are trying to kill you? >> i think that you are trying to kill me. open rax and debbie lovato and any girl squad. i am nervous about the squads. anderson went to the safe place, and whenever poppy or anybody else is talking, and he is like, oh, god, aim so bored with the money and pedigree and i said nick jonas is sing, and in case you thought that you were too pale, ladies and gentlemen, andersonp cooper has been spray taped. -- tanned. we are live from rio in the hot sun. knowing that the entire identity is in your looks hashgs is what makes this moment so pr fekt. >> i had forgotten that you did some of that. >> and you are welcome america and globe. and now, the end of "rudy" and the slow clap.
okay. still getting the touchdown. >> and what is funny with nick jonas, because i ran into him, and he gave me a bro hugs. >> ia thought that we could go three minutes without bringing up one of the jonai. >> i really like him. >> and what did joe do that is so horrible? >> i have never met him. >> and what happened to the one in jersey with the wife. nobody cares about him, frank or whatever the name is. and eason jonas, isn't there one of them? give me the phone. let's call ryan seacrest right no now. >> i don't have the number anymore. >> i do. let's call him and see what he thinks about you. okay. >> why would ryan seacrest give you his number? >> i know, i told you. yep, right here. okay. you want me to put you on speaker?
all right. th this is notten my phone. i can't believe you fell for it that long. >> yes, and i flop sweat went down my brow. >> i get sweat in the armpits and i had to put lady panty liners in there. you ever do this? i am real. i am not like you. i am a real perp and i have flaus, okay. >> oh, this is like when nancy grace, you know, when she used to keep pictures of the twins in her bra while dancing on "dancing with the stars." >> grandma, let me finish the sep defense, because you are slow. the twins are john david and lucy and what about the story about when you were meeting her in the elevator and she talked about wearing her father's boxers. >> that is not to be told. >> so when you told me in the elevator in cnn and sorry, about the koenen stylist. get your mother on the air. >> congratulations on the air. >> if your mom is not there, who
is feeding you? [ laughter ] who is feeding me? >> it is nick jonas? oh, god, nick jonas feeds you? my tweets are going to love that. >> all right. ka thishgs like forward to it as i do every year with trepidatio trepidation, but it is always fun, and congratulations on the success of the book. >> all right. i love you, and i will see you new year's. >> all right. kathy griffin. thank anks. >> and stay tuned saturday night for anderson and kathy live from times square, and we will be right back. like a free smartphone when you add a line or switch. no trade-in required. choose from the samsung galaxy j3, the lg k8 or stylo, or the the motoz play. all free. and as if you needed another reason, switch to verizon now and get up to $650 to cover your costs. there's still time to get exactly what you want at verizon.
we catch flo, the progressive girl," at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! [ laughter ] right afterwards we caught her riding shotgun with a mystery man. oh, yeah! [ indistinct shouting ] is this your chauffeur? what?! no, i was just showing him how easy it is to save with snapshot from progressive. you just plug it in and it gives you a rate based on your driving. does she have insurance for being boring? [ light laughter ] laugh bigger. [ laughter ] i are remember my mom having a far away look. it was so sad. >> and this family that apparently had everything. i never felt that i belong ed. i felt that i was an imposter. >> she has a drive, and that makes it impossible to have a calm existence. my mom has lived many different lives and i didn't
>> there, can you see? >> yes. >> oh, yes. and now you are very close. >> i have always thought of my mom coming from a place that doesn't exist any more like a vanished world or emissary from a distant star that burned out long ago. and that she is sort of stranded here and has had to figure out how to forge a life.
hi, mom. hey, mom. >> hi, sweetheart. >> how are you? how are you? >> are you exhausted? >> i am tired. i'm all right. >> how are you doing? >> why did you agree to do this? >> just because i am a ham. [ laughter ] >> u u saw th-- i saw that you some notes or something. what are those? >> see if you can guess. >> gnionp. >> i didn't want to misquote faulkner, and so the past is not
over, and it is not even past. i absolutely think it is true. >> you feel that the past is very much alive if your present now? >> i think it is in all of us whether we know it or not. i replay scenes. >> scenes of your life? >> yes, as if it is happening, and visually, i picture it, and it also influences my painting a great deal. and i have re-organized it so to speak. >> i think that one of the amazing things about her is that she has been in the public eye at this point longer than pretty much anyone else that i can think of. >> and here is the first movie of little gloria herself and frig frightened by the crowd, she flees to her mother's arms. >> and to the public extent that people have a perception of her
is very limited. >> whatever else she may have done in life, gloria vander built is known as the poor little rich girl. >> gloria vanderbilt. >> and gloria vanderbilt is here tonight. >> you look absolutely beautiful. >> one of the most famous women in america. >> and model, and actress. >> i'm gloria vanderbilt introducing my collection of status jeans. >> my mom is a lot more interesting that on the person that people think that she is. she's got the public face, but the reality of her life is so different than what the public face is. at 91, she is still, you know, working and still painting everyday. i think that her artwork is much more who my mom really is. she is really only interested in
creating stuff and working on stuff and even if nobody cease it, it does not matter to her all that much. she is just interested in sort of getting it out. ♪ >> her entire life, she has been painting. i can look at painting of hers and know that it is from the 1950s or know it is from the '60s or i can tell what sort of period it is.
>> and she always name d my drem boxes, and she is great at coming up with names, and she suggested that we call the show "tales we tell ourselves."mean, are imaginary paintings that you can imagine that not necessary willy happened or existed except in one's imagination. and hopes and dreams, you nknow. it is as if he is on a street walking, and he suddenly sees a window, and he turns and looks
at it. the mother is standing behind the flowers and you can hardly see her, but you are just aware of her. this is the father here with the white cutout. it is all very beautiful and serene, and this is what he sees or thinks that he sees, imagine s that he sees. but i mean, he is -- he's going the turn away immediately, you know. can you see that? i mean, he is looking in the window, but he is going to walk away. ♪ you know. it is pronounced here iet and it
is a welsh word and i have written on it, it is a home sickness for a home to which you can never return and a home to which there never was. the yearning, the grief for the lost places of your past. longing for something that never was. so it is not your past if it never was. it is long iing for something that, that you never had, you know. and it is really kind of the essence of all of these paintings in a certain sense.
but i mean, everything that i do, and all of my paintings, and everything, it is autobiographical in all of us, i believe. what about you? >> do i believe that all work is autobiographical or just yours? >> well, certainly, my work is autobiographical and it has a lot to do with the loss and a lot to to do with the pain, and -- >> yes. >> and you know, telling people stories, and this is all stuff that is important in our house growing up. you know, in regular life, people don't talk about death. they don't talk about loss, and they don't talk about grief. it makes people uncomfortable,
and that is a language that had been spoken in my house always. i could always tell as a kid, there was a sadness to her, and this loss that has permeated her life. as a young kid, i didn't really know the origins of that loss. she never talked about it. but she is the most soft of optimistic and youthful person that i know. so the whole idea of survival became very interesting to me. why some people survive, and why others don't, and how people su vooif and kind of learning how t to survive. i started going to the war zones when i was 22, 23. i mean, it sounds ridiculous to say, but it didn't seem all that out of the ordinary to me. not to in any way say that, you know, the background they had, and had a privileged background and everything, but it was not that i feltm comfortable in this situation -- >> and a blanketing the area
right now with snipers. >> and miserable are and scared and i'm a complete wimp, but i understood the language of loss. >> anderson cooper. >> again, blood on sarajevo's streets. shelling is a horrible routine of life here. >> it is not like i am stopping it or anything i can do to it, and there is something to bearing witness to it, and at least asking other people to bear witness to it as well. i peel like i spent the last 20 years really focused on work and telling other people's stories. hey, how are you? okay. my mom has aged and never had a real ti to between, and not much reality to her, and she is the last person in my family alive really. she is the last person who knew
me as a child, and so i don't want anything left unsaid between us. >> wow. a lot of stuff. >> a lot of stuff. >> most of it is, i mean, i have whittled it down to, you know, i have been going through it for a couple of years. >> yeah. >> i have whittled it down to this room, and the basement in connecticut. >> right. >> i have been worrying about this stuff that my mom has in storage, and i'm turning 48 for at least, i don't know 38 years. you know, you open up one box and it is a chandelier and it is very nice and another box is corn flakes from 1953 that were packed away and then just ended up being stored. >> this must have been daddy inm some play. >> right. >> you don't have a place for these? >> well, maybe in the country. >> what is this? >> it is something that i found
from carter to you. >> oh, yes. i'm going to frame this. >> i am finding a lot of old letters. >> oh. >> and then -- >> these will be fascinating to read. yeah. all our secrets. >> here. here's your dad and your mom. >> yes, my mother. wow. isn't that dress wonderful that she has on, and the parasol. >> and that is from 1953 and the year before you were born. >> yes. >> and so she was pregnant? >> yes. before i was born. >> and so that did not have any reality for me the vanderbilt side of the family and the cooper side of the family which seemed more real than this va
vanderbilt part my life. >> and the vanderbilts came to america in 1600s and unremarkable and then along came a young man cornelius, and full of amazement and energy and vile tall ti and started with one ship, and by the time that he was finished with shipgings, he had more ships than the u.s. navy and more money than the u.s. treasury. he was clearly by then a transportation genius, and he began to connect the independent rail areline rail lines into the transportation empire. before 1913, there were no taxes so enormous fortunes were set up to perpetuate, and the people who inherited them thought that they would go on forever. well, that is my grandfather, alfred vanderbilt the first and
i'm the third, and next to him is gloria's father, remg nagina. and reggie was a great deal of fun. he lost legendary amounts of money at canfield's ka see foe in newport. >> jewels and earning. and new york's 400 -- >> and he married my grandmother gloria morgan. she was this great beauty. she was probably 17 or 18 when they got married. they didn't have much of a life together frankly. i mean they met, got married and after my mom was born, amazingly they went off on a extended trip for i think like six months. and left my newborn mom with some nurse. >> i mean if you think of nit this time frame as it was as far as history goes, people who had
families and in a certain economic group, they did not see much of their children. they had nurses and nannies and so forth and my mother was 18 when i was born. when you are a child, if you are growing up in a jungle, you think that the whole world is like that. so for a long e time, i mean, it was not real to me that there was a mother and a father. i mean, i didn't know what that idea was so to speak. that was taken the day my father died. i was taken to the breakers to not be in the house when, you know, all of the funeral things were going on. i was 15 months old. i don't remember him at all. >> you had a fantasy that your father wrote you a letter.
>> well, it is still floatin around there somewhere and it is going to arrive someday. >> what is the idea? >> well, the idea would be that a letter would come from himb and he would say, you know, how much he loved me and how beautiful i was, and that i was going to to grow up to be the most extraordinary person. and that even though he was not there, he wanted me to know that he loved me a lot. >> was there ever a letter? >> well, a letter did arrive. sweetheart, i am kidding. >> there sis a saying from mary gordon that you quote a lot. >> yeah. father leless girl thinks all things possible, and nothing safe. that is absolutely true.
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now, because i have lived so long, and i have seen it almost as a kind of fairytale or some kind of mythical thing that happened to somebody. >> in 1934, this 10-year-old girl was the center of a bitter public battle in the courts. the trial for the custody of little gloria vanderbilt was front page news. >> i did not really know too much about the court case probably until i was 12 or so. really until my mom wrote her book. >> once upon a time, true story by gloria vanderbilt. the doll house. it is fun to make drawings of everybody with my cry yon, but soon i started to cut out my drawings into paper dolls and two beautiful ones of my mother, and flor ya, and that is my n e
name, too. it all gets very complicated, but the pap e dolls, it is easier to sort out. the best part about all of this is that it is most everybody around and putting each one where i want them to be. this is me with dodo. >> i don't believe i have seen that before. >> i have a tiny frame. she came to me when i was weeks old. her name was emma keishlish and that is german of course, and she had a mother who was irish. >> that is sad. >> i mean, i didn't think so. i was really happy.
when my father died, my mother then moved to europe where she had lived most of her childhood. we arrived in paris, and it is when fitzgerald was there and hemingway and the most kind of glamorous time to be in paris. she was so beautiful. i absolutely worshipped her beauty and i wanted to be close to her and to belong to her. and she had a twin sister, my aunt telma and they were so identical that i could not tell the difference when i walked into a room. i remember her going out in the evening beautifully dressed and seeing her going down the hallway kind of thing. >> the dazzling pageant of
feathers as ms. gloria va vanderbilt arrives in her chariot known as the sun goddess and they danced until dawn. >> she wanted to have a good time. she was just a baby, you know. you know, she said to me once when i was older, and she said, you know, when you were a baby you were so little, i could not bear to pick you up, because i thought that i might hurt you. and you know, we just never got together so to speak. the exampleple, she rented a house in caan and she rented another house where i stayed with dodo. >> and my mom's life revolved around her nurse she called dodo and her grandmother morgan. >> my surrogate father was my grandmother morgan whoad moved in with us. she kind of took over and she was so crazy. she was really crazy.
>> really? you think that she was crazy? >> i rally do think that she was crazy, and i loved her so much. >> she was from chile? >> yes. >> and what did she look like? >> she was very short and talked constantly, and she was obsessed with napoleon and she based her personality a lot on napoleon, i think. >> that is an interesting thing. >> no, she was really, truly extraordinary, and she was like a force. if she decided that she wanted something, she got it. she was plotting all of the time. >> she had schemes going. >> she liked to stir it up, you know. when my mother fell in love with the prince, that really set her off. >> he was a german prince. >> the prips was fine, but german, and she was hysterical about jgermans. >> the idea that her daughter would marry this german and take
my mother off to live in bavaria in some castle made hr apoplectic, and my mom's grandmother began to plot to find a way to stop this from happening. and she is a vanderbilt and she should be in the united states, and this is her birthright. >> i used to, as child, lie in bed in the house in paris in the dark at night and i was afraid to go to sleep without the light on in the bathroom without my nurse there. so she would stay in the bathroom every night until i went to sleep. then my grandmother would come in and that is when i would hear them whispering, you know. it was like something was being plotted and planned. >> my mother's grandmother, grandmother morgan hatch ed thi
plan with my mom's nanny. why do you think that dodo went along with the plan? >> because she totally agreed with it. she always thought that i should be brought up in america, because i was an american girl. >> it is crazy to me that is how it began. that is how the seed was planted and grew unto this thing which completely changed the course of my mom's life forever. >> i mean, i would have been happy to stay in paris with dodo and that would have been the right thing for me. i mean, what would have -- i mean, i was happy. >> but my mom was brought back to the united states by her nurse and the grand mother to hr aunt's house. >> we were on our way, all three of us on the ocean liner called the "majestic" and i had a new rabbit fur coat and nanny gave me an american flag. soon i would meet my aunt gertru gertrude. she was the sister of my father, the one i made the paper doll of
and she lived in new york city in a castle. i kept going over things that i wanted to ask her about. what was my father like, and things like that. >> i was living at aunt g gertrude's, and my mother was still in europe and she came back, because she was living off of my inheritance so to speak and my father had not left her any money, because he knew that she would be taken care of because of me. so my mother was really forced to rent a house on 72nd street. i was in there for a weekend and i heard her talking to her oldest sister and saying, well, the first thing we have to do is to get rid of the nurse. and i of heard hver heard her s that, and i got hysterical, and she was my mother, my father, my
everything. she was my lifeline and everything that i had. so i went up to dodo and screaming and krig and told her what i had overhead. and she said, just be calm, and be quiet. we are going to go as if we are going out to the park, and we'll get in the car, and we are going to go down to aunt gertrude's, and then in a minute that i got in the car i absolutely collapsed. >> my mom was taken by her nurse to her aunt's studio. >> the last time i was here, i was 9. there are rooms that wait for us. and someday, we may be in that
room and something may happy to us that may change our life forever. when dodo took me down tlx and gertrude was in this room, and there was a sofa there, and another sofa here, and i was really just hysterical, and so they got docker tortoise come and they tried to calm me. and i never went back. >> when they questioned her if she was capable of raising the child properly gertrude dided that shed to wanteo for custody. although gertrude, i think that her intentions were the best they could be, i am not sure that warmth was her main personal trait. >> do you think that she loved
you? >> i think that she did. i do. i think that she could not break out of herself. she'd come up at night, and i'd be in bed already and she would come and sit on my bed to say good night. once she said, i love you so much, and i was so embarrassed, because she'd always been so remote and kind of cold, and it was so kind of unexpected, you know. >> did you tell her that you loved her? >> yes. i think that she did, because she really truly thought that it was the best thing for he her niece, me, and she had been very close to my father apparently. but we never spoke of it. >> so you had both gertrude and the grandmother trying to separate gloria from her mother, and imagine being a child and having that happen.
>> i was terrified of my mother. because i thought that she was going to take dodo away. >> it was a tremendous press bonanza, and tremendous amount of media in new york, and it is the case of the poor littleich girl. now, this is still at a time where $1 million was beyond the imagings of most people. most families in the country were trying to get by on $10 a month. >> it was the height of the depression, and that is why, i think that people were so fascinated with it. you know, this family that apparently had everything, and, and, you know. i knew that something terrible was going to come about, because they closed any audience being
the there. my mother's maid had testified and said that my mother was a lesbian and that she had seen her making love with lady milford haven who she was visiting. in those days, of course, that was considered strange, you kno know. >> to have a child sort of on the loose with someone who is not very responsible, and it is not unreasonable to have wanted to help.
i think that that is enough for today. >> the horrible irony is that one of the first things that the judge did after taking my mom away from her own mother was getting rid of the nurse as well. >> my mother's lawyer said that she was influencing me against my mother. and that is why they took her away. so, all of my hopes were, you know, were all for nought really. i have inside of me an image of a shining rock hard diamond. that no matter what happens to
♪ gloria vanderbilt once the center of a sensational court battle is going on 13 now and quite -- >> i never felt like i belonged. you know, i pelt like i was an imposter, and kind of a changelin changeling. >> gloria was that outsider person. she was not quite a whitney, and she was not quite a vanderbilt. she seems to have really raised herself, but gloria are did grow up in gertrude's household, and
gertrude was a serious artist, and sculpt tresz, and gloria got some of that. >> and these are paintings of mine. >> a long time ago? >> yes, way, way back, and i would love to have these in a studio. that is amazing. >> you want to take a look at this? >> yes. >> and there are piles of them. >> well, i'd like to have them all. yes. i think that we are going to need a truck to take them over. i mean, these are like when i was in the teens. >> really? >> yeah. >> what was it like at wheeler? >> it was wonderful. i was very, very happy there, and this is when i first started
to really, you know, having a more sense of myself. >> these are letters fm your aunt gertrude? >> yes. the interesting ones are the ones interesting to me when i was in california are and had gone out to stay with my mother for two weeks with a chaperone called constance. ♪ >> miss vanderbilt and i have just finished. we are concluding our trip now. we are in hollywood. i would like to thank everybody for being so nice.
>> i was so movie struck growing up from the time i was 9, and sudden lly suddenly suddenly errol flynn was dating me. >> and so you were dating errol flynn? >> yes. >> and how old were you? >> 17. i was google eyed. i had another year at wheeler, and hi had not finished high school. >> and your mom was fine with it? >> she literally let me do anything. it was like living in a hotel, i could do anything that i wanted to do. and i mean, looking back at it now, it was very terrible. you know. i mean, i would not want my daughter to be behaving the way i did, you know.
but there was nobody around to counsel me. >> and so aunt gertrude -- >> i wrote to her to say that i was going the stay on. i'm trying to find the letter what she said. where she says about, oh, it is just where she says, you are being talked about. >> oh, really? >> oh, yes. your letterer from santa barbara came a few days ago. >> and you know, darling, it says, you know, darling, i have only your welfare and happiness at heart. and you are ready to talk over your problems with e me, i will be only too happy to help. in any way i possibly can.
>> and you see, she had not been that way before, and so it is kind of too late. >> and so she never kind of said this stuff to you? >> no, no, this is the first time. my plan was to finish at wheeler, and instead of going to college to go to the art students league in new york, and this is what i wanted to do and live at aunt gertrude's, and that is what i expected to do when i went out to california. but of course, it didn't turn out that way. >> wedding bells in santa barbara's ancient spanish mission as five bridesmaids received gloria vanderbilt, 17-year-old daughter of mr. reginald vanderbilt. >> do you remember the wedding day? >> oh, please. >> why? [ laughter ] >> that is for ggotten, but i remember everything about it.
as i was standing there, i, you know, that movie that mike nickels made -- >> "the graduate." >> and yes, that is what i was thinking, what am i thinking? and i wanted to run. but where did i run to? back to aunt gertrude and the chaperone. i just wanted to get out. now i can laugh at it, you know. it is like something that happened to somebody else. you noex because it was a different person then. >> he is pasquale pacheco and the bride will live near beverly hills. >> he is described as an agent, and was he an agent? >> well, maybe at one point he had been, and he was married to a actress who died under mysterious circumstances and rumors surrounded that maybe he had killed her. >> wait a minute.
[ laughter ] so you got married to a guy where there were rumors that he had killed the former wife. >> yes. >> didt that not give you pause? >> i ought that all he needs is me to -- >> oh, god. >> sweetheart, i was only 17. >> okay. i know. >> the united states of america. suddenly and deliberately attacked by empire of japan. the facts are -- >> we were married december 28th, and so it had just happened and he actually enrolled in the cavalry very soon afterwards. >> and so you lived on an army base for two years? >> yes. and finally as he was going to be shipped off, he got septicemia and he never went. i went to a lot of movies. >> as a kid, you loved to go to the movies? >> obsessed with it.
i thought that is the way it is going to be when i grow up. ♪ someday he'll come along ♪ the man i love and he'll be big and strong the man i love ♪ ♪ and when he comes my way ♪ i'll do my best to make him stay ♪ >> when did you realize it would not work with pat? >> well, pretty early on. >> how long? >> he gave me a black eye in kansas and i went to the doctor. i was so ashamed and embarrassed, you know. and the doctor said, how did this happen? and i said, well, you know, i
just fell on something. and i was too ashamed to, to, you know, but then i really got scared of him. i really did. of course sh, my aunt was very upset which she certainly should have been, and anybody who really loved me would have been upset. >> she said, i think that you are extremely inconsiderate to me and i'm terribly hurt. you ce to new rk and i have no idea why and you don't call me. ♪ >> i was very confused about everything. she died soon after. i went down there to see her.
of course, all of her children were there and relatives were there. and they were very cold to me with good reason. ♪ >> there are so many of those lost opportunities, and she was raised by her aunt gertrude who created the whitney museum, who was an artist herself, and who would have had so much in common with my mom, and had they connected. it would have been an extraordinary relationship, but i don't think that they ever had a real conversation.
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that face, that face, that beautiful face. well, that'll protect her a little bit for now. most of the things in the dream boxes that i have found in flea markets. i did a dream box which i have in the fireplace room that i nound the flea market this extraordinary -- they were from 1934, and they are all from the same person, and crunched together and tied very tightly with cord. i am fascinated by these letters, because part of me
wants to really read them, and then another part of -- i'm not going to, but there is a whole story in those letters. it is so interesting that it is exactly the same date. and i made them into a dream box and i didn't have to do anything but to get the plexiglass to put over them. maybe they are not love letters at all, but somehow, i think that they are. ♪ >> to you still think that the next great love -- >> of course, it is going to happen. >> you any that the next great love is around the cornerer? >> absolutely. absolutel absolutely. >> is there anyone that i should know about right now? >> no. >> i think that ben brantley said that he has never met anybody over the age of 16 who
lo loves being in love as much as you. >> yes. >> and you had to go to reno to get a divorce? >> exi left him finally, and then leo and i met at a party. he obviously was sort of smitten with me. and i couldn't believe it. i mean, i was so flattered. >> and this is what he looked like when you first met him? >> well shgs sit, it is a terri photograph of him, but he was 63 when i first met him and married him. >> was it something that as sonp as you saw him you thought -- >> instant. >> really? >> i knew him for a week and married three weeks later. >> really? i didn't know that. how old were you? >> 20. >> you were 20 and he was 63? >> yeah. >> wow. did any of your friends think it was weird? >> ugh, i don't know.
i mean -- [ laughter ] >> they didn't say anything? >> didn't matter to me. >> i remember growing up, and i knew that you had been married to him, but i only knew that he was the guy who shook mickey mouse's hand. i think that a lot of people can't understand how -- >> i nknow. >> how you would have been attracted to him. >> and i mean, well, having coming from a man who used to beat me up, and kconstantly put me down, you know, to have this genius wch he was think that i was extraordinary and wonderful, it just gave me a big lift, you know. >> together. quiet, please. quiet. >> i think that my mother admired his art tremendously. yeah. you know, i was born when he was 68. and so he livedo