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this is tough duty fewer bunks on board than crew. so bunks are crazy small. >> i give them a the lo of credit. they spend months below the water. really amazing work. great. thanks for doing that. that's it for me. thanks very much for watching. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next ditching the dead weight. president trump falling short of expectations cabinet. and breaking news, soon be fired by jeff sessionss. and russian sky games, 23 russians ejected s this a return to the days of the cold war. let's go outfront. and good evening i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight the breaking news, president trump said to be on the verge of firing everyone
left that he considers a dead weight. and the growing list of officials on thin ice is a teen. we were supposed to believe this about. >> we have by far the highest iq of any cabinet. >> those saying it's fine es group of people ever assembled as a cabinet. and i happen to agree with that. >> finest group of people ever assembled with a cabinet and with highest iqs and a group that includes the president may now be about to evict, like ben carson, housing and urban development agency, cnn showing they got the furniture. i have printouts that mrs. carson picked out. reasonable price and funds are
available. here's the very reasonable break down carson a rofd in email, people, $25,000, and yet it came out above that, at 31. also on president's possible purge, shulkin, inspector general says used taxpayer money to spend 10 day-trip to europe. then lied. on betsy voss on interview on 60 minutes. >> have you seen the bad schools? maybe try to figure out what they are doing? >> i have not intentionally visited skool visit visited schools that are under performing. >> maybe i should. >> yes, i should. >> possibly asked mcmaster security adviser and chief of staff john kelly, and don't forget already out the door, rex tillerson secretary of state fired by presidential tweet, tom
price, ousted for racking up though sab thousands of dollars in flights, and this list is not exhaustive. this white house is 43% is turnover and this is before the recent oustings. and now the president wants us to forget about his bragging. instead, he says he's getting close to who he actually wants and people are falling all over themselves to fill the vacancies. >> we are getting close to having the cabinet and other things that i want. >> via choice of anybody, i could take any position in the white house, and i'll have a choice of the ten top people having to do with that position. everybody wants to be there. >> everybody wants to be there. ten top people for every job. in that case, why is the president today replacing gary
cohn director who quit with larry kudlow conservative economist and tv host to vocally opposed trump's tariffs. >> tariffs are taxes and ones who suffer most are the users. >> okay. point made. the president's mercurial urges to purge closest to him without any warning is upping ante in white house who staffers thought they knew what chaos was. officials inside the white house tell cnn they are on edge. kaitlan outfront you are talking to people inside the white house. what are they telling you? >> reporter: that's right. erin, describing this atmosphere in the west wing and they feel like they are in the dark
because they can't see who is next and next one fired and who is going to be the next one walked out of the white house. because some of these depart tours they've seen coming for a long time like the secretary of state rex tillerson widely reported it was coming. but some that catch a the lo of people at the west wing like surprise like the president's personal aide marched off white house on monday. as you heard him on the south lawn, he's the one saying he's not fully happy with his cabinet and may be making changes in the near future to get it the way he wants it. two of the immediate seem to be the veterans a fair secretary david shul conditikin exit plan can get him out of the veterans affairs agency. and the other seems to be natural security adviser mcmaster someone the president has been fed up for a while. so those two seem to be the next ones on the chopping block.
now one cabinet official that president trump doesn't seem be an annoyed is treasury secretary steven mnuchin who the president spent the day with behind bowinboeing facility, they are going back to chaotic west wing. >> thank you. treasury secretary had been on fire when they got off the plane on the day of the eclipse and tweeted about all of her designer brands, sunglasses and shoes everything else she was wearing. but that's the distant past. now he's okay and others are in the spotlight. politico, mark preston, and jackie, washington bureau chief. mark, it's hard to keep track of all this. you can imagine only sitting there what it's like. this was highest iq and best team ever assembled, although it
wasn't the team he wanted and now trying to get there. you have to be on edge if you work there. >> you have to be on edge if you work there. and if you ever thought about leaving the private sector to go and work in the white house, you have to be saying to yourself no way. and the reason being is that if you are wealthy and done well in your life, for you to go into the administration, you have to take your money and move it out of your control and put it into a blind trust, and when you do that. >> even though the president's family, sorry to insert this, doesn't have to do that. >> yeah. that is very arduous and difficult. so i'm sure some people are looking at what happened to rex tillerson and tom price what's happening with mcmaster, look what's happening now with john kelly, and saying, wait a second, any thought of going in is done. and let me add one thing, erin. remember the generals, i love my generals, looks like he's going to get rid of all of his generals. >> it is pretty stunning when you look at it.
>> it is. not only that they were fired but how they were fired, rex tillerson fired by tweet. so if you are divesting all your world gi goods, just to be humiliated by the president of the united states, not a good look. the other thing not only are people from the white house outside the white house looking in, the world is looking at this, right. this isn't a time of tomb uumul the world. there is no guarantee that pompeo his nominee will sail through the senate. because democrats are going to try to make a point here. so, really, the timing of this isn't great. and if you are other world leaders looking into the united states, you are probably just as nervous as people in the white house looking out. >> the president with his, ten top people waiting for every job. what are you hearing about whether people really want to
work for the white house? i mean it's safe to say you don't have ten top people for every job. but on the point of it are great people dying to work there? >> you know, erin, i think there is increasing trepidation among senior republicans and really republicans at all levels about joining this white house. because the loyalty that's been given to the president really hasn't been returned. and i think jeff sessions is really case in points. first republican senator to back the president. and he's been ritually humiliated over and over again. >> but to step back i think what's happening here is the president has been in office a year, gaining confidence, and he's beginning to really listen to him self and trust his instincts. and i don't think anybody thinks it's bad that he repoliced secretary of state he didn't get along with with one that he is geing along with better. but where you hear from white house aids president as moods
and opinions about close to him change so quickly. and for reasons as flimsy as the media coverage that they are receiving, which can change very quickly. that they worry that he'll be, if he's in touch with instincts, acting on instincts, sufficieget cabinet aides. >> it's how he talks to one person when another isn't in the room. this is the way he is. this is something that people who have covered him and followed him have known for a long time. i've seen it myself. >> and it's accepted. i actually sat down with sam nunberg for extended interview to talk about the interview you had with him. one of the things that came out in the interview is he acknowledged donald trump treat him well but he said you know what i wasn't a good enough employee. wait a second. you are putting the blame upon yourself. basically, what i learned from just talking to him and from others now is that there is sa
missing amounted of guilt that trump puts upon you, even if you are right, you are wrong. that's a bad way to go through life. >> some would say, i'm not a psychologist, emotional abuse down here possibly. the president says he likes differing view. larry kudlow mentioning him obviouslily coming in and taking gary cohens job. here's what the president said about kudlow on tuesday. >> i'm looking at larry kudlow very strongly. i've known him a long time. we don't agree on everything, but in this case i think that's good. i want to have divergent opinion. we agree on most. >> and then here's what the president said about tillerson who obviously had dirffering point of view. >> i actually got along well with rex. but really it was a different mindset. a different thing. >> and then gary cohn when he
announced he was going, president said he had different point of view. >> i have a feeling he'll be back. i don't know if i can put him in a same position. not quite as strong on tariffs as we want but that's okay. >> jackie, he says he wants people of differing point of view, but when they do, they are out. >> i think he wants it until he gets t other thing about larry kudrow differential to the president, praising the president. no, he doesn't believe with tariffs, but at the end he'll say it's your decision. so i think if these people yield to the president then in good graces again. but rex tillerson had a whole host of issues with the president, not only on russia, but on the iran deal, on the paris accord, a whole bunch of things. so it sounded like things got a little heated there on many occasions. so the president doesn't like someone else trying to strong
arm him. >> i think that's bottom line. >> does the turn stop at any point? >> you know, erin, let me say quickly about the competing view points. i think it's a complicated call during components with the president because i would point out that jim mattis secretary of defense really shared all of rex tillerson's views but you have not heard the president say a negative word about mattis. so i think it's a bit more confident than the president who wants people who agree around him. but whether that stops, i think that comes down to whether the president's advisers can prevail upon him to, and let him know that stability is necessary for governing. and thus far they haven't seem to have succeeded. >> thanks very much. next, jeff sessions, you heard his name in a tough spot. is he about to fire depp fbi deputy director. this is a crucial night for jeff
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he has been calling for mccabe in the clinton email investigation. and if sessions acts in the next three days before mccabe officially retires, mccabe could lose 20 plus years at the bureau. gone. pamela brown outfront now. what else do you know about recommendation to fire deputy director mccabe? >> we've learned the recommendation comes from doj watch doing report that alleges mccabe authorized disclosure of sensitive information to wall street journal reporter having to do with clinton before the election. and then that he also misled investigators about it. now the article in question called mccabe objectivity into question as overseeing the clinton probe. and information he authorized was seen as attempt to help his image in the media after it was revealed his wife got half
million dollars as pac. we should note mccabe was one of the few agent ns the fbi who could authorize giving information to reporters. but now his attempt to push back on this article hasn't caught up in this ig investigation with pension now hanging in the balance, erin. >> i mean, obviously, it's a crucial moment. crucial decision for secretary for attorney general sessions. trump has been public about his angry about not firing mccabe. what will he do? >> you are right. been target of president several months. and plus since ire at the fbi, not firing mccabe. here's what he treated. as you'll recall, why didn't aj sessions replace acting fbi director andrew mccabe, a comey friend in charge of clinton
investigation, but not big dollars for wife's political run from her representatives. drain the swam. racing the clock to retire with full benefits, 90 days to go. so, erin, he is supposed to retire on march 18 but now his fate of whether he's be fired before then is in the hands of the jeff sessions. a lot of pressure. as you are seeing publicly from the president. but we should know mccabe will have a chance to respond to the aj and make his case why he shouldn't be fired, erin. >> thank you very much. pamela. let's go to special agent james gal llano who worked with mccabe and knows him and former secretary for the department of homeland security. james, you are next to me. you worked with mccabe. should he be fired? >> you have to look at it lack of candor for fbi agent whether been on the day or two days or three days in fronts of their retirement. that is fireable offense.
apex violation and reason for that t in 1972 supreme court had a case which required that the prosecution must disclose any negative details about potential witness. fbi witnesses teach. 94% conviction rate because there is a reason. when ha fbi raises their hand and says i weswear to tell the truth, juries believe it. so if it is true, and this will come out within the next week, if this is true that mccabe was less than for right, exhibited lack of con d lack of candor, that is fireable offense. >> that's what they are saying. you heard the reporting, right, you are getting this from the office of professional responsibility. they have taken inspector general report. they have concluded that mccabe should be fired. do you think firing is fair?
>> it's hard to tell without knowing the basis. i'll say with three days to go it does seem pa little mean petty and unnecessary. and reason it's unnecessary is because will is no question in my mind if he is fired mccabe is going to fire back. and there will be litigation regarding whether he got due process, regarding the findings against him. and in that litigation, guess what evidence number one is going to be? the tweets president trump going after mccabe personally to get him fired. in other words, mccabe will say the fix is in. i tend to believe that this has less to do with mccabe and everything to do with sessions. to me this has to do with trump trying to get rid of sessions without firing directly with regard to the mueller investigation. he's saying to sessions you fire to mccabe or you are not listening to me. and that seems to me another thing trump is making against sessions. so i think it has more 20 do with sessions than mccabe.
>> which is crucial moment because now president says fire him. and he hasn't done it. now look at this report if you don't do it you are against me. you do know mccabe well you worked with him. were you surprised on the lack of candor? >> my experience with mccabe he was virtuous and honorable fbi agent. spent most of the career in headquarters. what people have to understand also is it doesn't matter that this is two or three days iowa from his effective retirement. if you leave the fbi under investigation, if the investigation concludes, erin, nine months from now, they can retroactively go after your pension. >> so you lose what you got. >> absolutely. and i understand the over arching political issue here, but the ig is not ha bipartisan. it's a nonpartisan entity. they are going to conclude their investigation when it's done. if it's three days before retirement or nine months from now. >> as you point out president
slams sessions, publicly and reg alreadily. here regularly. >> here he is. >> if sessions was going to recuse himself he should have told me before the job and i would have picked someone else. >> disappointed but we'll see what happens. time will tell. >> and of course juliet you saw the tweets pam shared one of which included mccabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. do you think juliet, sessions, will cave and fire mccabe? >> i'm just guessing here, but my expectation would be that sessions probably will, which will bring about more litigation, and all of this unfolds again. and i want to be clear here, you know, when we talk about sessions and the lead up story that you did at the opening of the hour. so we are now talking about mcmaster, tillerson, and sessions as sort of the three people with bull's eye and tend to think of it trump didn't get
along with them. but if you take a step back why didn't trump get along with those people. because those three people because if it's tillerson and russia getting killed in u.k., whether sessions recusing him ser or mcmaster been quite public about concerns about russia, they all are sort of in skibt with the president on the same issue which is russia. and this is something to note. i don't think this is random chaos. i this hi this is actually targeted getting rid of the guys who object with him on the issue that he is most worried about. >> very interesting point. as you point out there is a consistency cross those cases. thank you both very much. next tensions escalating tonight. 23 russian diplomats expelled over the poisoning of a double agent. so what is putin going to do? because there is a promise now. and republican spin after their candidate lost, that special election last night. what or who is really to blame?
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former russian spy skripal and daughter in a small russian town. call tg an abhorrent attack. russian is threatening u.k. saying response is coming. it all comes after another suspicious death of russian in the u.k. this week. this a business man russian was refusing to extra dictionardite. here with me is jackie speier. thanks for joining me. ambassador to u.n. says don't worry we destroyed weapons here. is there a is there any question in your mind that they are responsible for that? >> no response in my mind. russia doesn't play by the rules. now u.k. will investigate 14 other deaths taken place in the
u.k. under suspicious circumstances. this is kgb russia we have come to know. and since vladimir putin was in kgp this has his fingerprints all over it. >> this is what president trump said about russia and their role in t i wanted to play it for you. >> it sounds to me like it would be russia based on all the evidence. if we agree with them we'll condemn russia or whoever it may be. >> is that a good response, strong response from president trump? >> it's hardly a response. and what's very interesting about every provocative action taken by russia since president trump has been in office, he has never once said anything publicly about president putin. if you notice in the clip you played, well, maybe it's putin. but he didn't come right ou and said i am condemning president putin. we will not tolerate this.
we stand by our friends and allies in the u.k. i mean, it's always measured. and it's very interesting that he has never officially made any statement against what have been acts of provocation by putin for the last year. >> the russian president vladimir putin was asked directly. very unusual moment. bbc was there and they sort of door stopped him. asked him directly whether he was hiebd the poisoning. and i want to play for you his dismissive response so viewers can see his face. >> is russia behind the poisoning of skripal? >> and what he said i'm sorry congressman sort of laughing said look we are busy here with agriculture and you want to ask about tragedies. get to the bottom of that then
we'll talk about that. this says has a list russians may kill. steele and former american citizen. is putin calling the hits here? >> i don't think there is any doubt that he is making the calls. he was making the calls, in my estimation, on the engagement by russia during the presidential election and campaign. and i would certainly believe that something this significant that could easily escalate as this has would have come from the top. >> so nikki haley u.s. ambassador to the u.n. today talked about this. she condemned russia. she said her concern is that if something isn't done immediately, chemical weapons like this could be used in new york, or elsewhere in the united states. is she right, that russia could do this here? >> well, i have no intelligence to suggest that. but i would certainly think if
they are willing to do it in the u.k.,they'll be willing to do it in the united states if we do not set them back dramatically. and i don't think we have taken the sanctions that the congress overwhelmingly voted for, and that the president signed. we haven't taken one action, and by we i mean the president and the administration, not one action that they should have taken after we passed those sanctions. so, again, very kind of limp wristed in his efforts in dealing with vladimir putin. >> and before you go, congresswoman, i have to ask you about the house intelligence committee into russian meddling and the trump campaign. obviously, ending in debacle and republicans heading up the russian investigation on your committee says there will be a vote on march 22 on final voechlt he says he's hopeful democrats are going to sign onto parts of it. will you? >> i would find it very hard to sign onto any of it.
and i would suggest that when you say his report, you are really talking about trump's report. because this is a script from the president that has basically been amplification of the tweets that he has been tweeting out for the last year. and, you know, as he said yesterday, oh, the desist has been made, it's great, it's over, no collusion. there has been plenty of collusion. the question is has it risen to the level of criminality. >> okay. thank you very much. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> and, next, democrat conor lamb poised to win the special election in pennsylvania. are republicans right to call this ha one off? and defying trump, the risks some are taking to help people in this country illegally stay in the u.s.? >> i think there is a strong feeling in the jewish community we can't have this happen. what's done to us cannot happen to other people. thing.
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>> campaign manager joining from washington. robby, let's start with you, democrat in the race embraced president's policy and positions. so i guess this is a win for donald trump? >> well, i guess i can give an award on spin, but many things from the white house, bold face lie. lamb campaigned against affordable care act, which main accomplishment only accomplishment the republicans have had this year. came pained for people's right to form a union and organize. campaigned for women's right to choose. list goes on and on. this was not conservative republican. there ws a conservative republican on the ticket. he lost in district that the president won by 20 points. so this is what it is. it's a bad loss for the republicans in a district and
it's a sign of the wave election that seems to be coming. >> so rob republicans don't want to spin it. so the spin is pro trump. congressman chris collins says this was a one off. we have won five. they won one. i'm feeling pretty good. >> i know chris collins. >> are you feeling good? i know him very, very well. i think there is a little truth to this in that i think it was a little bit of anomaly. i almost saw it as primary. lamb has been in politics. long time. he did not bash trump. he stayed to local issues. ran away from pelosi. didn't talk about transgender and things like that talking about the economy. >> abortion, health care. >> he's pro life. for the second amendment. and did not want restrictions. >> laugh 20 weeks, right? >> so totally different kind of race. now a loss is a loss. they did win five elections so 4-1. alabama race you are roy moore
more, nobody should have voted for roy moore in that kind of race. >> how many hockey sticks are you going to say you have? there is always this is a one off. at a seen point. >> i agree with robby, i do think this is a potential wave year for the democrats. the democrats are highly motivated to come out and republicans are kind of staying home. >> robby, what do you think was the bigger thing home, that the democrats turned out? i mean in the areas that trump won, he still won, maybe not as much, but still won. was this more out of a turn out in the suburbs? where they didn't bother to go for hillary clinton, they did yesterday. >> two things in play. both. you did have democrats turning out. i think the sign was in absentee ball lots. so particular older voters in western pennsylvania, the kind of people allowed to vote absentees, those would favor republican in general election setting. they actually helped lamb. that says to me those are
democrats excited to going extra mile to vote absentee. but look in a district like this voted for the president 20 points you had people switching over to the other party. so really both. >> as you i think you acknowledge it was not good. >> no. >> all right. the pennsylvania race obviously was a win for you robby for democrats. the party though is obviously still rebuilding after hillary clinton's loss. so she was in india pitching her book. and you know, she made some pretty shocking claims about the divide between blue and red in this country. let me play a clip for you, robby. >> i won the places that represent two thirds of america's gross domestic product. so i won the places that are optimistic, diverse, dynamic, moving forward. and his whole campaign, make america great again, was looking backwards. you know, you didn't like black people getting rights, you don't
like women, you know, getting jobs. >> robby, it's not just republicans. there are plenty of democrats who find this pretty hard to swallow. >> here's the thing. i work ared for hillary clinton on two of her campaigns. she's been a mentor and someone i've admired tremendously and did make history in our continentry by being the first women to be nominated by major party. 2016 is over. and donald trump loves to pull every time something is going wrong and the white house is a mess right now, he loves to just reach out, pull back hillary clinton, and push back. and as a party, we got to focus on the future. we have to focus on the candidates loving. i love litthillary. this is not what it's about. it's about the candidates running. >> so you shouldn't say you shouldn't be talking about hillary but you are not happen
by it, be honest? >> i've made my own interpretations ha happened in the election. the fact is we did lose the upper midwest. we have to win those electoral votes if we win the presidency. way we do that is moving forward and focusing on candidates. i bloo eve this. we can't keep relitigating last candidate. we have to move forward. ap and i have all the respect in the world for her but i'll let here do her kmefrnlts and rest of us focus on the future. >> she's out there saying this. what do you say, rob? >> come on, robby, please. >> i want to hear you. >> if lamb had run that kind of race, he would have lost by 25 points which is why hirk lost those areas. it was despicable what she's saying, anyone who voted for trump is a knuckle dragging neanderthals. think about that. my wife took offense to that. >> doesn't like black people and women. >> and that's all she was saying in the campaign which is a big
reason she lost those kind of areas. and democrat party unless they start moving away from that, they are going to lose races that they could win. but they won a race that they shouldn't have won because they didn't pull that junk. >> all right. thank you both very much. >> thanks. >> and next, desperate undocumented immigration going underground to try to avoid deportation. and terminated via twitter. gina most is ahead. but mania, such as unusual changes in your mood, activity or energy levels, can leave you on shaky ground. help take control by asking about your treatment options. vraylar is approved for the acute treatment of manic or mixed episodes of bipolar i disorder in adults. clinical studies showed that vraylar reduced overall manic symptoms. vraylar should not be used in elderly patients with dementia due to increased risk of death or stroke. call your doctor about fever, stiff muscles, or confusion,
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including nasal congestion, which most pills don't. and all from a gentle mist you can barely feel. flonase sensimist. tonight some people in california are ready to wage war with president trump much they are trying and willing to break the law to keep immigrants who are keep in this country hidden. >> reporter: the family in this pardon me in california is on the run from immigration and customs enforcement. >> my mom's status isn't safe. so we had to pack everything up. >> reporter: off the grid since last year say these two girls. both citizens born in the u.s.
their mother overstayed a tourist visa and is also undocumented. the girls fear their mother was next. what's happened since then when you had to pack up and leave? >> we became homeless for five minutes. we left school. >> reporter: then they heard about an interfaith network of religious groups pledging to resist trump's immigration policy. by hiding them in safe houses. the network estimates dozens are being hidden at any one time. >> i grew up at a time when the holocaust wasn't far behind me.
>> reporter: she signed for the family. >> what was done to us cannot happen to other people. >> reporter: this is technically aiding and abetting someone who is here undocumented. >> i see it as taking a step to help someone in need. help a family in need of support. >> reporter: a big sign of relief says the mother. what happens to me doesn't matter. what i am doing here is for my girls. >> reporter: how would you describe the fear. >> deep down i am hurt. i am hurting. >> reporter: reverend zack leads the network. reverend hoover says the network of sanctuary and safe houses remains the most active
>> the federal government may listen to this and say you are violating the law. >> i am not going to lie. that makes me very nervous. our folks are facing much greater fear every day. as we sit here in this church, i am reminded the god i worship. >> reporter: a family united for as long as they can be. >> we are going to do everything in our power to convince members of congress not to support a deportation machine. there is a part of me that thinks a department of way is possible. >> reporter: i.c.e. says quote,
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here is jeanne moos. >> reporter: rex tillerson has been added to the jimmy kim mel show collection. but the dishy park was how tillerson was fired, by tweet. a tweet that ended congratulations to all. congratulations rex, you won an all-expense paid trip to beautiful get the [ bleep ] out of here. >> even when you get fired from dominoes, the manager takes you into the crappy office and tells you face to face. >> reporter: when he fired james comey, comey heard the news on
tv. posting this picture of president obama conferring with his secretary of state captioned back in the day when our secretary of state was treated with respect. >> little john, you're fired. you go out there and knock him dead. he is a great day. >> rex is a very good man. >> reporter: a white house chief of staff called tillerson to warn him that his time was up. why is rex tillerson like carrie bradshaw? >> oh, burger broke up with me on a post-it.
>> reporter: satirical headline imagine tillerson saying, i hope trump finds out he's impeached on twitter. who says breaking up is hard to do when you break the news like this. jeanne moos, cnn. >> it makes sense when you consider he hired him on tinder. >> ac 360 starts now. >> a great deal to cover tonight. the race in pennsylvania. and we begin with breaking news on the stormy daniels front. we have been focusing on who knew what and when. new documents contained exclusively by this broadcast suggest a deeper link to the trump organization and efforts to ensur