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martha stewart's carrot cake people love but she still went to the can. he is at the very least insecure. that does it for us tonight. news continues i want to hand it over to chris cuomo for "prime time." >> thank you. and the best weekend to you and the best to your mom on mother's day. all right i'm chris cuomo welcome to "prime time." subpoena friday. the next phase in the fight for the tax returns has come. the democrats expect compliance from the president this time? what should be different. we'll ask a member of the committee that issued today's summons. and breaking news the president recently trired to get mueller star witness to say trump never obstructed justice. did you hear how don mcgahn responded? you will. and the implications tonight.
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why would team trump openly solicit help from russia's neighbor for the next election? we have the reporter who broke the astounding story. you will be hearing about this for a long time. it starts tonight. and we honor fallen hero. on what would have been his last day as a senior at the stem school in colorado. kendrick castillo's parents are heartbroken. they are in pain. they want you to hear their story tonight. and what they think matters should resonate with us. it's friday. there's a will the to talk about. let's get after it. next friday at 5:00 p.m. eastern. what's that? when the treasury secretary and irs commissioner have is to pork over six years of president trump's tax returns that the law say they shall furnish if requested. house democrats escalated the
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battle in the states for the financials by subpoenaing the treasury secretary. steve mnuchin. and paul red it. the irs commissioner. what will this really mean? is this politics or practicality. democrat from texas i told you we'd have you back. >> thank you, chris. >> let's do this. on a friday night. the subpoena not a surprise. because they didn't want to comply. but why does this change the calculus instead of creating more of the same. you ask they say no. now you go to court. how does this subpoena matter? >> the subpoena is another avenue in addition to the statute the 6103 for getting the documents. i think that when we don't have compliance next week, that it will be necessary to move to hold the treasury secretary irs
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commissioner in contempt. we send a message this is not all talk and smoke and mirrors. we are serious about getting this information. it's a president we talk about contempt a lot. 24 is a president who really holds our constitution in contempt. and unless we push back strongly we'll see the steady roegs of democracy. >> erosion of democracy. >> i hear the rhetoric. but your fellow democrats have not proved as you have in your suggestion of what they should do. there's a lot of foot dragging over holding barr in contempt. i'm not saying it's the right path. these come with i werely contaminations. ramifications. if you subpoena them and hold them in contempt you create an mouse. and less chance of accommodation. >> my calculus is the chief of
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staff for trump said several months ago never. >> said it again recently. won't come on the show. i invite him all the time. he said you'll never see them. >> and mr. trump is making it very clear that obstruction is his middle name. that he will lie and instruct people not to come. he will do anything he can to keep the facts from coming out. he recognizing getting knowledge is power. this is a power struggle about whether the president can assume all the power or the checks and balances that our founders envision to protect democracy will remain in place. >> i listened to a couple different share essay we can get this done expeditiously. where does that confidence come from? you just settled the fast and furious over holder being subpoenaed. by house committee members.
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it was just settled now. what makes this different? >> you raise the right question. what's the remedy if this abuse continues? we have the possibility of a civil contempt procedure. which is what applied there for the former attorney general. it takes a long time. i'm not overly optimistic that it will produce a prompt result. we have another alternative we have discussed. that's the idea of inherent contempt. which has been recognized going back to the last century. it hasn't been used recently. we haven't had a president like this recently. thankfully. i don't think we have ever had a president like this. so abusive of the system and eager to assume power. >> there's an opportunity in the -- this is the biggest test i have seen of checks sp balances. since i started this about 20 years ago. you are being tested. and the different institutions and also the ability to find
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ways to create progress instead of just more conflict. are you corned just going heavy subpoena subpoena. litigation, litigation. that you are not seeking maybe the best avenues to compromise and get you what you want. >> it's very clear that this administration will not compromise at all about these tax returns. i asked for them six times over the past two years. we had obstruction and cover up. mr. neil waited until april to make this request. he has asked not once, twice. now three times for -- we can't find out as he asked in april is the president still under audit? was he ever? we can't get a basic question like that. i understand what you're saying that when the president erects a law and nobody can speak and no documents will be provided, any effort we make appears to be
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confrontational and over reach. we're at a point we have no choice. he tells people to lie like his former attorneys and he has a fixer at the attorney general office. his former campaign finance director at the secretary of treasury. we have a group here that is colluding to protect the president and he's willing to tell any high and obstruct in any way the whole process. so i think inherent contempt which would involve sending out a summons. essentially like an arrest warrant but not requiring the officials to come to the floor of the congress. assigning it to committee to investigate if there's justification for not providing the subpoenaed documents or testimony. that's what it will take. we can't let them run out the clock and run out the clock on the truth. >> true. but listen i get the high minded
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nature. there's a prak calty. i do not mean with all due deference you have been doing this a long time. you know better than i. i'm saying the more you look the more you extend the more you try, the more will be expected. the idea of well they did their job, it doesn't matter what they cake up with. we know that politically that's a tough sell. you have somewhat of a break today with mcgahn. the president clear ily wanted the counsel to say i don't think he wanted to obstruct gist 'tis. and he didn't say that. what do you make of the development? >> i'm hopeful about it. i believe there's other people in the trump administration that recognize they have a responsibility to the american people. they seem to be a rarity. there's others of the people that if they face the prospect
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of significant daily finds or incarceration. they will decide they don't want the risk and will tell the truth. president trump said himself in the mueller report. the facts in that report in that investigation would end his presidency. he said more than that. but that was the essence of it. that's why he's working so hard to prevent us from getting the full truth. >> he called the report the bible. yesterday. and i think that's going to be a phrasing he will come to regret. as we learn more about the context and whether mueller. i heard may 15 there's no longer the date. if mr. mueller doesn't testify, do you think there's really any path forward for oversight? if you don't get him on the record saying here's what i meant with my explanation of obstruction. and explains it in way that gives an avenue to congress. is there anything more to do? >> there's more to do.
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with or without him. but i view his testimony as really essential. especially after we had a month of propaganda. of misleading comments and downright lies of the nature. coming out of attorney general barr for trump. we need to hear from mr. mueller. he is not going to be there as a political figure. hopefully he'll be able to testify as an employee of the justice department. if not when he ends employment and i think the questions to him have to be directed strict will to what the law is. in his findings. and not attempt to pit him on one side or the other. we just need him to tell the truth. the whole truth and nothing but the truth. that will have the effect of really showing what kind of president we have. and what he did with reference to obstruction. >> what he thought should happen next. that will be key for the american people. congressman, i appreciate it. i know in this environment it's
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tempting to seek safe harbor and have somebody to nod their head and say do more, go after him. i appreciate you defending your proposition on this show. it matters to my audience. thank you. the best this weekend to the mothers in your life. >> thank you for what you're doing every night in getting more information out to the american people. about what's at stake here. it is the future of the country. >> let's get after it. take care. >> so, question for you tonight. why would team trump openly seek help? for the next election. from the ukraine. it's actually not the ukraine it's ukraine. why. the president's lawyer is heading over seas. rudy giuliani. why is he doing this? is it okay? we'll talk about it. the reporter who broke this story about giuliani's new job. next.
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book now at rudy giuliani. operating like a campaign surrogate now. trying to pressure a foreign power to dig up research. using it to push for an official government investigation of a political opponent. this gets tricky. he's free to help the president any way he wants for the next campaign. what about that aspect? will it lead to an investigation. that sound like what the president just yesterday was talking about and calling a crime. going to a foreign government trying to get help against your opponent. we have been the "new york times" reporter who broke the story. welcome to "prime time." good to see you. the irony. it never ends. first of all good job to you for digging down in this. not easy to report on things
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that happen with ukraine. you get different stories from people. good for you for making sense. the cycle of who is blaming whom for working with what foreign power to help their campaign. and here we go again. what have you found? >> that's right. we found rudy giuliani and his capacity he says as president's personal lawyer defending against the mueller robe started digging in to situation in ukraine with the goal of finding information that he thought would prove that the origins of the mueller report and the fbi investigation into russian interference that led to the mueller report were tainted and were influenced by ukrainen officials working with the dnc and hillary clinton to inject this into the western press and into the fbi bloodstream. he's started meeting with the ukraine officials. one came to the u.s. and met with him in his office in new york.
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in january. and that led he says to other potentially tantalizing lines of research that he thought could help trump. not just by under mining the mueller investigation which seems like a move. because it's over. also by potentially yielding some damaging or embarrassing information about joe biden and his son. working for a company owned by a ukrainen oligarch under investigation. he's gone all in on this. and brought in other associates. he's headed to ukraine this weekend sunday hoping to meet with the incoming president of the ukraine. to put pressure on him to continue these investigations. >> i hear the same. the first part is going to be only so fruitful. the idea of dredging up the past to help deal with mueller. i don't know how much benefit there is. going after joe biden let's be honest the questions are not
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new. there's a lot there. there's a lot known. often what's old is new again in politics. what are the potential questions going forward? >> we looked into a story last week was intersection between hunter biden work for the company owned by the oligarch under investigation and joe biden work as sort of the point person for the obama administration as vice president in ukraine. and pushing the ukrainen government to clean up its act. to clamp down on corruption. there was a prosecutor who technically had over sight of the investigations including the one into hunter biden's employer seen by the western ukraine western allies inclueing the united states as corrupt. and not aggressively pursuing the investigation into powerfully wealthy people. and biden pressured the government to get rid of the prosecutor. so certainly you have an
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intersection there. and what giuliani says this is an over simplification. and flat out wrong. that joe biden was pressuring the ukrainen government to get rid of a prosecutor because it would help hunter biden's employer. we found no evidence of that. biden seemed to be carrying out this objective of trying to force the prosecutor out ster to advance this cause of helping ukraine clean up its act and corruption. and it actually could have redounded to the detriment of the oligarch on whose board he was serving. >> it's all about which facts you decide to push hardest. good job for you. you ain't done on this one. i hope you come back. there will be many more chapters of this story. that's my guess. all right. thank you very much. have a good weekend. one of my nec guests thinks the
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the president personal lawyer using the bar of felony or fine to defend his own allegations. all is fair. or out of bounds. let's debate. jennifer granholm and niger innis. this story caught me a bit. by surprise. when it first started. man, the president's attorney rudy giuliani argued to me a million times between on camera and on the phone. on text. that you can't be digging for bad stuff all the time about your opponent. what hillary clinton did was wrong. leave it alone. you shouldn't be doing that stuff. don't just focus on what the trump tower meeting was. now he's doing exactly what he called out. how am i wrong? >> well, you're wrong because
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these are two investigations that the ukrainen government already had rolling. well before rudy giuliani decided to go to ukraine to encourage them to continue the investigations that they have already started. the ukraine embassy verified that in 2016 in the middle of the presidential election, a dnc contractor called that country to get information on paul manafort. now for all the millions of dollars that were spent and the obsession with russia, russia, russia. that we have had. the mueller report shows that in terms of criminal collusion it was a big fat nothing burger. >> that's not true. >> we have a situation. >> in term of criminality. there's no such thing criminal collusion.
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it's an ox si moron. there's no collusion in law. it's behavior. if they find of crimes of conspiracy. no. let's bring in jennifer. >> fair enough. >> he's upset about people going to foreign actors and trying to get advantage. now he's upset. it's okay to find out about it by doing that. >> okay, first of all, you cannot get a thing of value which opposition research is considered to be, from a foreign entity. that would be an illegal campaign contribution. so that's number one. number two, this whole thing rudy giuliani if he hasn't learned anything about the whole past two years about russian collusion that you shouldn't be collaborating, engaging in a conspiracy. asking for foreign help. really, going to the ukraine to beg the new president to pick up an investigation they had already put away because they want to hurt joe biden.
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what does that tell you? they are freaked out about the prospect of biden becoming the nominee. either he's looking back at old opponents for the presidency or looking forward to the future one. it's wrong. it's wrong to do this. they should have known it already. i would say if anybody should be investigated it should be rudy giuliani. who has clients in the ukraine who apparently it seems has been lobbying for them in the united states. this is a mess. joe biden is far removed from it. that investigation was ended and the "new york times" and the "washington post" all today said he did nothing wrong. >> let's look at it this way. going forward, look at straight politics, why would you want to make a main entree on the menu who did screw things in business relationships as a main part of the campaign? is that really the president's
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best foot forward? to say you can't vote for joe biden. he did screwy things to help his kids bids. does he want to go down that road? >> i think it's a brilliant move on the part of rudy giuliani. who is doing this on maf of his client. not on behalf of the u.s. government. he's doing it on behalf of his client. >> i'm sure that's what the ukraine -- >> i hope he gets some good chicken while he's over there. and it's a very wise move. it is very important for american people to know if indeed former vice president biden put in calls to remove a prosecutor to get a prosecutor to ease up. >> it's been reported on and investigated. >> from what i have read. those investigations are ongoing. not closed. >> they are not.
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go take a look at the stories that were written today. the investigation was shut down two years ago. it was closed again by the new guy. it's over. this is rudy giuliani raising a smoke screen hoping that he will get a conversation going about joe biden instead of looking at what the president has done. this is classic rudy giuliani of late. i will say. it's not the old rudy giuliani. it's such a shame and stain on him and his character. >> another reason -- >> hurry up. >> this is also important because you have to communicate to the american people that the entire world tries to influence the united states. the united states has the same amount of power or more than the roman republic at the height of the influence and empire. the whole world allies, enemies of the united states want influence in the united states.
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and there are all kind of ties that are in d.c. why not expand the obsession to bring up some questions. >> remember what you ask for. as we get into the campaign. remember you said this was okay. thank you for doing this on a friday night. if you're watching at home, and you said it's like they just switched sides. one is saying it's great to pursue this stuff. and saying there's nothing there. didn't that just happen in reverse? yes, it did. we'll track it down and keep the facts straight. and keep it on course. now, i urge you stay with me tonight. here's why. our next guest, yours and mine. the parents of the student killed in colorado. he gave his life to save his friends. how many of us could do that? we can't forget the hero or his parents. remember a few things about him
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as we close out this week, this is the name we should
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remember. kendrick castillo. look at that kid. 18 years old. today would have been his last day of high school. he died a hero. he did something me, you, most of us wouldn't think about doing. let alone pull off. he ran at a gunman in the classroom. no hesitation. him and some of his friends. it cost him his life. and saved so many others. he's an only child. his parents spent a lifetime waiting for this moment of his graduation. now, this is what thaer they're dealing with. we should honor them and their son. now. >> mr. and mrs. -- thank you for taking this opportunity to be with us on the show. it means a lot to me and the audience. >> thank you for having us on. >> so how are you doing? how are you handling this situation so far?
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>> it's an emotional roller coaster. it's -- we're fine when we're busy and occupied. and there's that right now. with meeting people and everyone telling us what a hero our son is. we love that. but, you know, i wake up in the morning and sob and cry. i can't believe this event has taken place. both of us are heartbroken. there's been an intricate piece of our lives taken away that we'll never get back. >> your only son. today would have been his last day of school. what does that mean to you? >> that's correct. i can't even express what it means. it's the hard cut off. life stops. it stopped when we found out
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that his life was taken and he was deceased. it's all of our everything. you wake up every day and we thought that he would have a promising future. and engineering. and going off to college and we were looking to celebrate. and have fun and it's turned to tragedy. so, yeah, that's what it means for us. it's like life is stopped. we are our purpose is gone away. our only child -- i don't know. i just don't know. i can't express how i feel. i put on a facade to do this and talk to people like you. and try be brave to tell his story.
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but, in the next moment, i'm a wreck. so is my wife. >> it's to be expected. are you able yet at all to appreciate that while your son is gone, the test of parenting of what you put inside that kid has been born out in a way that most of us never know about our kids or about ourselves. in a moment that was about him choosing whether or not to be for himself or to be for others, he chose being there for others even though he had to know what situation he was put lg himself in. what does that mean to you? somebody teaching value and what he was about. and faith and how to live your life. >> it's everything to me. it's everything to me that -- you know, let me say this. when you are raising a child and
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loving them and spend every moment with them, a loving mother like my wife. cooking food. and working a hard job to give them whatever they want and it's not just material things but the attention and creating their favorite dish when they want it. it almost becomes natural you don't realize you're creating such an incredible person. as my son. and as i have been telling people today, as i have met -- it's community. it's his faith in religion. he's been a catalyst in the schools that he's been in. where it's allowed us to be part of other peoples families and the faculty in the schools. i can't say that enough. there's no doubt in my mind that he leaped into action because of those things. he knew he had to protect people
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he loved. and didn't surprise me or my wife. >> you never think about something like this. happening in place where really you don't worry about him doing anything but home work. how do you make sense it was in a school that he faced the monster that every parent fears? >> you know, i mean, the environment in which it happened could have been anywhere. i don't -- i don't believe it's because it was a school. it happened to be in the school. but it could have been at a we do a robotic events and car shows. and events indoors. we go to the national western stock show. the space and the environment does not create the evil that live in it. that is any belief. we have to create good people in our lives and society.
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we can put bars on our windows and we can put cameras and alarms on things and we can try to shelter our children. we can do other things. evil is out there. in the world. and it lives everywhere. but there's more good and more love than there is evil. and that's really the message i feel that we'll celebrate my son. our son was that example. there's no doubt that there's a huge following for kendrick. because everybody that enkoirnted him and touched their life he was a friend. and a bad thing happened to happen to him. i really think we need to focus on working on society. one person at a time. >> you have to make good people. you can't protect yourself against the bad. i hear you on that. it's a profound truth. i want to say while i thank you for talking.
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and sitting next to your wife. i'm not ignoring her. this is too hard for her to talk about. and that you are the appointed spokesperson for the couple. >> that is correct. my wife is, efs all in with my son like my wife. mother's day is coming up. and the mother has a special bond with her son. and i'm here to tell you, we had friends over of my son's earlier. our house is an open door. we don't lock the door to keep the friend out there and wait for them to come in. they rush in and she feeds them. that's the kind of community we have. hr hurt is so deep because she gives everything to the kids. there comes a time in your life when things that are personal for us a beautiful woman buying something for herself becomes
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less important and she gives it up for her child. that's my wife. that's what i love about her. >> you're an example of everything parents hope to be. i hope you remember that. while what happened to your family is so unfair, you did your job mom and dad. you put somebody in the world that put others before themselves and didn't do it with their mouth. they did it in a time of crisis and saved lives. even if it cost their own. there's no higher calling of integrity and service than that. thank you for your own community. and thank you for talking to me about it. >> thank you. thank you for giving me the platform to celebrate my son. these lights will go out and things will go away. i never want to forget him. thank you. >> he should not be forgotten. parents hope they have a little bit in their kids that your son was about.
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god bless and the best in for you to cope with the pain. god bless going forward. >> thank you. >> i know it breaks your heart. i know that sometimes you'll say, why is he doing this to them? they want you to hear who their kid was. they want you to remember this isn't just about the numbers of those who die and what's going to happen next. we know that part never leads anywhere. maybe it will. if we're more open to the reality of what is lost. and what it means to people who could be ewe or me. god forbib. let's remember kendrick and riley howl and let's remember this is not something that doesn't have an answer. it is not something we can do nothing about. when you think there's no answer. think of them. all right. coming up next. we'll change it up a bit. lift our spirits and heavy times
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i remember rotary phones like they were yesterday. i had no idea there's a generation that doesn't know what the hell they're dealing with with one. check this out. >> you have four minutes to dial the that phone number. >> that's it? >> put the phone to your ear. what do you hear? what does it sound like? >> it's a start. >> what are the holes though? >> at first i thought that were faking it. i don't think they are. >> they weren't faking it. the bat phone. >> hello? tyra, chris is not here. he'll call you later. okay. >> hold on.
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remember this? call into the radio station. caller number sen. you're like -- >> take forever. getting your finger stuck in there. having to go back. they didn't even know what the dial tone was. i wonder how many kids have ever heard a dial tone? i wonder how many have ever seriously. >> how do we reset it? where's the where's the reset button? do you remember that? >> yeah, you don't hear it anymore. >> i thought it was a joke at first, but it's actually two teenagers who couldn't figure it out. they're not the first ones. there was one put up in 2018 that's very similar. they pick up the receiver, now let's reset it and then do you press the things? for us it doesn't feel like it was that long ago but it was actually that long ago and then this is what -- if you wanted -- before the cordless here's what
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you had to do, you'd be talking on the phone, yeah, what are you talking about and you had the long cord -- >> remember the long cord? remember when you got the extended cord? >> for the one that was on the wall. my grandmother had one that used to wrap around the dining room and go all the way in the other room and she'd forget and have to come back. >> the big deal was if you'd get a phone in your room. if you had a phone in your room you were a made man. >> guess what? when i became a teenager in high school we were on the phone so much we got our own phone number. our parents had their phone number and the kids had their own phone number. >> that's strong. >> let me tell you how old i am. do you know what a party line is? >> sure. >> i -- several people in the neighborhood are on your street all share a phone line and you could pick it up and hear ms. jenkins talking, you'd have to say i've got to call my sister, can you please get off the phone? several people shared a phone, that's how old i am. >> you are old.
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>> i am. >> good to remember. look how far we've come. >> i look younger than you. >> that's what surgery will do, a lot of injections, a lot of stuff. >> notice, my forehead doesn't move. >> mine does. see you at the top of the show. out of time. >> bye. some reflections on the week, but here's the deal, i've never made an argument like this before. it's not heavy. it's like the opposite of that. but it's something that i had lost sight of and i hope you don't. argument next.
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we focus on what's wrong, we focus on the negative, and rightly so. but we tend to allow negativity to be a proxy for insight.
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and that's a mistake because there is more than the dark realities that we pursue. there is light and truth and beauty that forms and transforms. we had two shootings in two weeks at two schools and they left us raw. and they should. but there was heroism. that should overwhelm the narrative. you just heard from the castillos, their only son is gone, his last day of high school was supposed to be today. he was their everything. that is an unmitigated horror. where is the light? at just 18 kendrick answered the most important question that many take a lifetime seeking. if push comes to shove would i really put myself out there for others, would i risk my life? i wish that he and riley howell the blond tarzan from the week before didn't need to demonstrate character through their own demise. yet dozens of families are whole tonight because of these two and their parents, god willing, i
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hope they know they did their jobs in the most magnificent way. they raised heroes, selfless, fierce heroes. and that is good and amazing. there are beautiful moments where no one has to die all around us this time of year. millions of graduating and moving on with destinies large and small. in michigan a mother was looking forward to getting her own diploma, her son was graduating too, same day, different school. what do you think mom did? she skipped her own ceremony. the son's school found out, surprised her, conferred both of them degrees, mom and son walking across that stage together, damn, that's great and it doesn't mean the president lying about puerto rico aid doesn't matter but there's value in both. we can't forget that. here's another. 13-year-old basketball player in georgia, he's great.
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got no cash. size 18 shoes, not easy to find. mom can't afford sneakers. guess who finds out and steps in? shaq buys the kid ten pairs, including dress shoes which his mom says he hasn't had in years. in new york a bus driver grabs a kid's backpack just as he's about to step off the bus. car speeds, watch this. imagine if he didn't do it. there are good people doing great things all the time. in the morning i used to call it the good stuff, ordinary and not so ordinary folks doing the extraordinary for others just because they can. and this weekend we have a day dedicated to a slice of humanity that often manifests the best of us in dedication to the rest of us. be good to your mother this sunday. remember the moms who have lost their kids and cherish your own, remember all that we have to be thankful for, we will get after what is wrong. but don't forget to celebrate
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the light in this world. it's what makes life worth living. thank you for watching tonight, cnn, with d. lemon, right now, "cnn tonight". >> "cnn tonight," happy mama's day. >> beautiful lady and boy is she proud of your ugly ass. >> you know what, i'll take it. she's proud of you too. she really is. she loves you, and tell christina i said happy mother's day and to your mom as well, two really great women. i'm just surprised you're not a better person being associated and around them all the time. why is it not rubbing off? >> not everyone works out. there is darkness and light. that's why they need me and you. it's our character as opposite from our complexion. >> i'm glad you did that. this week is -- i'm going to start out by talking about what a chaotic week it's been. there have been so many stories,


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