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that's what president trump is worried about. democrats are going after them. >> jeff zeleny reporting thanks sprech and to you're viewers thanks very much. i'm wolf blitz ner the situation room. erin burnett outfront starts right now. outfront next it war. president trump shuts down discussion was democrats was it a temper tantrum or planned all along. plus another major loss for president trump. a federal judge ruling that trump's banks must comply with subpoenas. it's the second ruling against trump in as many days. how soon could the supreme court beingen involved .former governor of colorado john hickenlooper says he can do do one thing trump can't. what is it? let's get outfront. a declaration of war and an extraordinary day for a president who is the star of his own reality show every day. the president using the back drop of the white house rose garden to launch a strike
against democrats vowing to essentially shut down washington until congress stops investigating him. >> i just wanted to let you know that i walked into the room and i told senator schumer, speaker pelosi, i want to do infrastructure. but you know what, you can't do it under these circumstances. so get these phoney investigations over with. >> okay. so in a moment i'm speaking to a exact who was in the meeting, the one that trump referred to with nancy pelosi and chuck schumer when the president stormed out basically the president called democrats to the white house to talk about infrastructure, right. something he has told you he has told me, he has told everyone he has told us the american people the voters that he was committed to fixing. >> we have to fix our roads and our tunnels and bridges and everything. >> our roads, our bridges,
highways, schools, our country is in bad shape. we have to fix our infrastructure. it's not like we have a choice. >> so urgent that we don't have a choice. well he had a choice today. and he chose to not do anything about it, right to not tackle an issue he says is so important can't be ignored. it's because the president blew up after hearing this on television. >> we believe that the president of the united states is engaged in a cover-up. >> okay that was right before the meeting. those words cover-up struck a nerve with the president. >> i walk into look at people that had just said that i was doing a cover-up. i don't do cover-ups. >> okay. well first of all on that particular question, doing cover-ups what do you call this? >> mr. president, did you know about the $130,000 to li payment to stormy daniels. >> no. >> okay. well, that's not true.
he knew and he paid personally. so let's put that aside. where does in go from here? >> i pray for the president of the united states. and i pray for the united states of america. >> okay. are we left with prayer? katlyn collins is outfront live outside the white house. katlyn, the president calls in meetings but has the plaquerd ready to say the mueller investigation was a whole pile of nothing. he was very angry. >> yeah, we're told the president actually erupted when he heard nancy pelosi make that comment accuseding him of a cover-up when he watched it on cable news. but to be clear the infrastructure talks were doomed to begin with because neither sides was going to agree how they were paying for the deal or fund it. but president president didn't cancel the meeting because he wanted to make a point. and he tried to do that when he walked into the cabinet room, didn't sit down, didn't shake a
single democrats hand but instead lashed out at them and pelosi in particular over her comment about the cover-up. and then the president marched out to the rose garden where reporters including myself had been rushed out at the last minute. and he vowed he was not going to work with democrats as long as they are investigating him. now democrats say this was a setup. this was long planned because thement couldn't find a way to finance in infrastructure deal, in $2 trillion deal he agreed to three weeks ago. but we're also told by sources the president is genuinely angry and shaken over the investigations that are happening on capitol hill. or at least attempting to happen. a subpoena was recently issued for hope hicks, formerlily one of the president's closest confidantes and they've asked his son donald trump junior to come back for questioning. that anger from the president we are told is genuine. the question of whether or not it's sustainable that he won't work with democrats when there are budget and funding deadlines coming up and questions about a big disaster aid bill is still up for discussion.
but, of course, erin, we have to note that the president is clearly rattled by these investigations that are going on. and that was pretty clear from what happened in the rose garden today. >> all right, katlyn thank you very much. and i want to go now to someone there. congressman there in the room with the president and the speaker. chairman of the house transportation and infrastructure committee. democrat peter defazio. thanks for being with me. chairman. look this is an issue you were hoping to get something done. what was your reaction in the room when the president came in as katlyned said, stood didn't shake hands. what exactly happened. >> i was a little bit stunned. i mean the meeting we had three weeks ago was very positive. the president himself bid the number up to 2 trillion. we were talking 1 to 1.5 trillion. we had a very positive interaction. the agreement was three weeks we'll come back and talk substantively about exactly what goes in the program and how we are going to pay for it. and my idea was we would all agree together and walk out together. so there is no political
advantage in how we are funding in proposal. but it was a bit odd because his seats in the middle right just about opposite me. >> yes. >> and he just came in the door, didn't go toward his seat and pronounced that until we stop doing our legitimate job with, which is oversight of the administration as independent branch of the government article one of the constitution he will not work with us on infrastructure or whatever else. that's too bad. we have lofts things. >> did he storm out? was he yelling? >> no, i didn't yell. but it was just he came in, made the pronouncement, just turned his back and walked out the door. i mean, i think there was a pretty stunned silence in the room. and you know, i mean, we made clear to him three weeks ago that we have to be in this together. >> yes. >> his administration has proposed -- he has talked in the campaign train infrastructure investment. every budget he has submitted
cuts infrastructure. >> for sure. >> dramatically. so where is the where? where is it. >> when this happened, when you say you were stunned and others -- it was a stunned silence were his aides stunned or did it seem they were expecting it. >> it was odd. sheera knight who is head of government affairs wasn't there. she had another obls. there were people at the table who i have never seen before who have nothing to do with fraz. i think it was staged event. the only principals there secretary mnuchin. ivanka trump. kellyanne conway she has something to do with infrastructure? it was odd. just sitting there i thought this is odd. i don't know these people. they weren't in the last meeting. so think. >> it's all staged. >> remember, last night they sent us a letter and still -- until you accept our defective renegotiation of nafta with no enforcement of labor and environment in mexico, same problem with the clinton deal we can't go forward on
infrastructure. that was sfraed. today if you do any investigations of me we're not doing infrastructure. he is punishing the country, the american people because we're doing our legitimate job. >> well, it's interesting you know you point out there are different people in the room. there was people you felt it looked staged. i mean, can i just ask you, when you say the person, legislative affairs person working with you wasn't there, others working with you weren't there? have you felt that there's been an honest effort from those closest to the president to work with you on this issue? obviously today it blew up. but had there been an honest effort separate from him being the one who you said it to 2 trillion when you were asking for half of that? was there honest effort before in. >> there's been a split all along in the administration. mick mulvaney doesn't believe in government. and he wasn't at the meeting when we agreed on the 2 trillion. he was in california. he immediately said that's not happening. >> he did, yes. >> as did mitch mcconnell. i think mulvaney won.
i think that's what happened. mulvaney ultimately said no, mr. president we're not doing infrastructure. you can't fund it it's off the table. >> so the number 2 republican in the senate jon thune told cnn today the quote from him it seemed like it started when pelosi held the news conference. that made it difficult for the productive white house. it seemed like this was a conceived strategy. she had to know going in there that would light him up. she had to have known that. you're saying it's staged and plans. because babe maybe he was planning but when she says the president is involved in a cover-up and when she is right before meeting with him doing a deal nothing like it since he went in office, did she sort of want to blow it up herself? >> no, i mean, look, there is a difference in our caucus over how quickly and aggressively we move forward on potential impeachment and the inquiry. she has a regular wednesday caucus. she was at the caucus. that was a marilyn subject of discussion. she came out and press jumped on
her. and she said honestly what the discussion was during the caucus. i mean, what would you call the is administration nas stonewalling every attempt to bring people before judiciary or intelligence or any other committee, including people who don't work at the white house anymore. >> but it's a cover-up, do you think you all are obligated toth ahead with impeachment proceedings? you're calling it this that don't you hae to dsh zbloosh we are essentially a grand jury. i'm investigating the trump hotel and the fbi headquarters which i think is a really big deal and potentially a very big scandal. and but other other committees are within their jurisdiction investigating as they should -- you know we want the mueller report, the full unredacted mueller report. we need to know what was really in there, not what bob barr said. and intel wants to get the total bottom of russia's influence in the election. these are legitimate oversight issues by the united states congress. i mean, richard nixon in 1973 signed a major infrastructure
bill while he was under investigation for watergate. he didn't say i'm not working with you on infrastructure for the american people because you are investigating me. >> that's a great irony. >> this is unprecedented. >> thank you very much. i appreciate your time, chairman. >> thank you. >> and next, this sign displayed in the rose garden as trump abruptly ended the talks preponderate. the sign was there, waiting was he just planning to call it quits all the way along. >> plus trufr saufrs major blow, a federal judge, the lender deutsche bank has to turp over trump records. and is nancy pelosi trying to have it both ways when it comes to impeachment? >> announcer: erin burnett outfront brought to you by astrazenika. about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs.
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not funny when you talk about the greatest country in the world and people acting like near in prekindergarten. manu raju on capitol hill. the word cover-up is a charged word. okay. it's a charged word. it's nixonian and it echos and struck a chord with the president today. why did the speaker use that word. >> she is channelling the frustration of the house democratic caucus. people that are frustrated at the failure to get information, the resistance by the administration to comply with subpoenas. the stonewalling that they have seen. the speaker wanted send a blunt message about what she has been witnessing behind the scenes, i'm told for days she has been discussing this, about a cover-up. she says this is something she told her colleagues we should tell people there is actual cover-up that's happening. at the same time she is facing pressure from her members to embrace opening up a formal impeachment inquiry. she is not prepared to go that
far. she wants to go the current route where they fight the subpoena -- demanding the subpoenas be complied with. fighting in court. they have had two court victories this week. . she is trying to argue that's getting results. but she also wants to say just because we are not doing impeachment does not mean that democrats are not confronting the president which is why she put out the strongly worded statement when she came out today and just moments ago erin she put pout a statement hamg the court ruling from tonight. using the word cover-up again. saying it's an unprecedented cover-up campaign of the facts. . she is more precise in the language here. saying it's the stonewalling that's the cover-up. >> manu, thank you very much outfront in and out former director of the nixon library. kwhous correspondent for american radio marcs april ryan and scott jennings assist to george h. w. bush and tim she is not afraid of the where. she was purposeful in the word.
was it a mistake? >> i think that she has a balancing act. and she understands, i believe, that impeachment could divide the democratic party. we are all assuming that every democrat let's say is a partisan who voted against president trump. you know there are many democrats that would have a lot of pressure from in re constituents. >> particularly no this red districts. >> yes. >> i think it's the white house strategy to goad nancy pelosi into impeachment inquire in. it's unprecedented. bill clinton and richard nixon did not want impeachment inquiries. i think in president is goading the speaker into one. she may have made it easier today. but in the last three -- ever since the mueller report came out his strategy has been the same, stone wall, stone wall, stone wall. >> scott, the president and democrats, you know, part of in is coming down to trying to
point fingers, oh is this all a waste of time and keeping us from doing our jobs or not? and they have two different views of that. here. >> i've said from the beginning, right from the beginning, that you probably can't go down two tracks. >> we can do both. it's clear the president doesn't want to do any of that. >> and i told senator schumer, speaker pelosi, i want to do infrastructure. but you know what, you can't do it under these circumstances. so get these phoney investigations over with. >> we have been investigating him since we took the majority. so this is nothing new in that. >> so scott, they're saying you can do two things at once. you can investigate and you can legislate. he is saying no, you can't. can you? >> well, i think you can have oversight and legitimate oversight and legitimate governing going on all at the
same time. that's pretty common. but when you step in front of the microphone before a meeting and say the president of the united states is essentially a criminal engaged in covering up his own criminal activity, well, that takes it to a whole another level. i think it makes it harder to work together. injury right now what we are see -- i want to respond something tim said. i don't think impeachment actually would divide the democratic party. i think they'd been unified i don't think there is a exact voting against it on the floor. if you look at the polling a vast majority of democrats want to impeach the president around the country. all the poll is clear on that. pelosi is trying to serve two masters. her caucus and the radicals in her caucus who want to do this and the american people who expect her to work with the president to govern this country. it's hard tuesday. >> april on this issue, the president -- you just heard peter defazio the chairman of the infrastructure committee saying he walked in it felt staged. none of the people he talked to or worked with who had been at require meetings were instead
it's mnuchin and ivanka trump and kellyanne conway and a best of your knowledge of people he didn't know and seemed to know it was going to happen. there was a sign -- there was a sign on the podium that said, all the numbers and everything aid out. it's not like with a sharpy. the sign was ready to go. was it ready to go and the president was going to do it anyway or looking for pelosi to say cover-up or whatever it was she said or not. >> this was definitely strategy that was already preplanned. and you know, nancy pelosi may have said the word cover-up. but if you really believe in serving the people and you really wanted to do infrastructure like you had been telling people, you would do it. the issue was the pay for. how are you going to pay for? maybe i felt like, hey, i don't know what to do and i can play this off of this impeachment game and see how it floats. well, going back to what scott said, it doesn't float well because if you look at history -- i'm giving you a bit of history lesson, scott.
remember when will when bill clinton was impeached he had -- he was dealing with congress, tom delay was going after him and viciously and he worked for the american public. he did the s-chip. he balanced the budget. and there was a surplus then. the earned income tax credit. he also had the -- the waste initiative, going around the country trying to heal the racial divide with townhall meetings. power means service. no matter impeachment or not. >> scott. >> yeah, well i would just say that the president is also doing things for the american people on the economy. we've got a red hot economy, low employment working on trade deals right now, standing up to china that he was expected to do. so i think -- i think you can always say a few things that a president is doing. i was telling that you it is going to be exceedingly difficult that they are calling people criminals. >> the auto industry. the ut auto industry self
hurting by the tariffs. the auto industry, the farmers are hurting by the tariffs. these tariffs are crippling certain segments of cyto. and if you want to talk about the economy, this president vowed to shut down the government because he didn't get his way on a border wall. the economy is doing well but left to his own devices things would change. for the worse. >> tim etim, i want to ask you about where nancy pelosi stands on this though. because this is really important. if there is a split in the party and there is a split in the party. scott mayan right you'll get the votes but a lot of those people don't want to be put in the position of casting of vote. the republican congressman justin amash standing up on this loudly and proudly called for kechment proegtds against president trump he says on principles of the constitution he had this to say about speaker pelosi and her trying to have it both ways. >> are you disappointed the speaker does not want to launch the impeachment inquiry. >> i think the speaker is talking out of both sides a
little bit. >> is she? you say a cover-up but won't launch impeachment proceedings can you have both at the same time. >> if congressman amash wants to build a bipartisan coalition for impeachment this is not the way to do it. you don't do it by attacking the speaker of the house. i don't know why he said what he said. there are lots of questions about the strategy the speaker is using. i'm not sure what congressman. >> i he may be right but shouldn't have said it. >> if he wants to build a coalition that's not how you do quick final words. >> i rarely agree with justin amash on virtually anything. but he is right today. if ewe you're saying the president is a criminal and engaged in cover-up but impeachment, you know, the politics of that are bad. i think the american people are like, well if you thinkis a criminal and he is covering things up and you're not willing to impeach, then are you lying to us or just not willing to do your job? if you are saying those words you got to back it up. >> aaron the courts are pushing the investigations allowing them to investigate. and there is something to this. >> and that is the big question
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breaking news, a federal judge delivers a major blow to president trump. a second one this week on a subpoena. a judge rejecting trump's attempt to block deutsche bank and capital one from complying with congressional subpoenas for trump family bank records. family bank records. deutsche bank, keep in mind, is buy by far the trump largest lender the only bank willing to do with him for an stepped period of time. aerktd to "new york times" deutsch has lent trump $2 million in two years. this comes two days after a
another judge said the accounting firm must comply with the congressional subpoena. former assist u.s. attorney for the southern derick of new york. harry sandic. and hairy let's start with deutsche bank. how significant is this ruling? you're talking deutsche bank, $2 billion over 20 years. family records. >> yes, between this and the accountant subpoena that we talked about day or two ago there is going to be some sort of a financial x-ray taken of the president. the committees in congress are getting to see much more information than they could have possibly hoped for. >> because this isn't just business, this is personal, everything. >> yup. yup. if he is getting money from some suspicious source it will be visible in this record. i wonder even if the notes that the deutsche bank anti-money laundering people -- there was a story a few days ago about suspicious activity reports that were considered by the deutsche bank compliance people.
will the notes be in the file pointing the way for congress to see what was suspicious about the accounts. >> kari what do you make of this that you have the two rulings back-to-back? one cht judges was critical of the kplt for having such a broad subpoena but went ahead and ruled in their favor? what does this mean when you look at all of the subpoenas that are out there and precedent which is seemingly now being built? >> well, i think first of all, it shows that we now have two federal district court judges in different districts who are affirming congress's legitimate oversight role. and that's sort of the big take away. they are saying that these subpoenas are valid, that congress has a legitimate purpose in issuing them, and so they're letting them go forward. and the president is no longer able to litigate the way he used to when he was just a private individual and just try to drag things out in litigation. in the d.c. case, judge maida he
expected his review the case. and this decision came quickly too and we'll get the opinion and see the judge's entire analysis. but i would expect it to be fairly similar to the d.c. court. but it shows the president is not immune from congressional oversight. >> no. and you know, when the president tries to say it's politically motivated you have the other branch, the judicial branch, harry weighing in in favor of congress. so that in and of itself i think people should consider how significant that is, right that they are saying that congress has this legitimate right. so let's just go through the timing here. because when you are nancy pelosi and saying the courts are giving me what i want i don't need impeachment proegtd attention with all the political hair on the dog. i can get what i want the other way. annan let's see what we can do. obviously this time goes against the president and it goes and appeal could be a long time or no before we actually see these -- this document. >> based on something that
happened just a few minutes ago i think it could be a little time. the house committee that chairman cummings chairs, the oversight committee has entered into an agreement with the trump lawyers to -- essentially a compromise. the appeal will be expedited. so it will be flf briefed. >> by the accounting personal and business accounting information from the president's accounting firm mazars. >> that's right. but i would predict a similar agreement reached over the deutsche bank subpoena that i think the financial services committee propounded any will goegt both go in the same way. and the agreement is that essentially the case should be briefed for mael appeal this summer and argued perhaps as early as the fall. and if that results in a speedy decision even if the supreme court wants to take it, one would think the decision will come out before the election. sometime in the early 2020. >> carrie that's what you are locking at but still six, eight ten months from now. >> the next case and the hearing
one in summer we'll see how quickly the new york case goes. it's a lot of discretion put upon the federal judges. they have the ability if they want to to move these along fairly quickly. if they want to hold the parties to brief things quickly and do things. i think it's a party of months but i don't think necessarily we should assume it will go on for years. the other thing i would add, is there's been talking about constitutional crisis. i think what the two opinions can help us do this week is pause that a little bit and say, you know, we're not in a constitutional crisis. bewere we do have a third branch of government able to weigh in and the matters and move it forward. the process might be difficult, take time, might be messy, might be painful for the country. but we need to to go through it. >> right and you can't yet say you have exhausted that and only are left with impeachment not yet. all right thank you both very much. and no objection house speaker nancy pelosi refusing to budge on impeachment.
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tonight the was that over impeach pmt david sis leany says he is standing by the call for impeachment proegtds despite two major rulings in favor of democrats and what they subpoenaed from the president's financial records. >> i think the value of open inquiry is that it signals to the administration and to the witnesses who may be contemplating defying subpoenas that this is an important proceeding, actually it would raise the level of seriousness. >> outfront now keith bicycle. democratic strategist serve at aide in the clinton white house and charlie denlt serving as a republican representative from pennsylvania. keith you're with me let's get to the heart of this. this is the battle for the soul of the democratic party right now on capitol hill. where do any stand on this issue? is it an issue, a matter of principle or matter of politics? and democrats against impeachment proceedings have said, you know, like nancy pelosi, there is a cover-up
here. but let the courts handle it. so far we're winning so let it drag out. the other side david sis lynnien a others saying no it's a matter of principle it's clear we should go ahead. >> nancy pelosi today after her meeting with the president said two -- three things. first she said the president is obstructing justice. second she said the president is engaging in a cover-up. and third she says it may be an impeachability offense or could be impeachable offense. when you take all three things together, combine with the fact that more than 900 federal prosecutors said trump obstructed justice. >> former federal prosecutors. >> who have raid the mueller report said they would conclude that it warranted a charge. >> exactly. along with the fact that the mueller report itself lays out at least ten counts where the president could have possibly obstructed justice. and you take all that together, combined with everything the president has done with the corruption, the emoluments clause, the other violations of the law appear the defines of the subpoenas it's hard to argue for democrats that they should sit back and weigh out -- weigh
out the political consequences. put their fingers in the wind and see which it's blowing determination what to do. instead of determining the right thing. they are called not just lerpgts but oversight people who loo look at the president and keep him accountable. i don't think any can excuse one and just do the other. they have to do both. >> so let me ask you congressman dent, sis lynn inny the president sfroukted justice. anyone else would be indicted ar prosecuted. 900 former department prosecutors agree with him. but you have people leadership nancy pelosi who are saying that the president engaged in a cover-up. but that the courts are giving them what they want or going in that direction so they don't need to go ahead with that word impeachment. are they just using the courts right now as a figure leaf? or do you thinks in a legitimate path for pelosi? >> i think it's a legitimate path for pelosi. but more importantly for speaker pelosi she wants to remain
speaker. and she is trying to protect her members who are in seats that were previously held by republicans. i can guarantee you those democratic members in trump held seats for the most part don't want anything to do with impeachment. they don't want anything to do with this it's not something the american people support. i've been critical of the president and not supportive of him. but i think the democrats want to litigate in in the 2020 election. if i were the democrats i'd be talking about alabama abortion law that motivates their base. impeachment divides democrats and at the moment anyway it does not seem the american people are there. i think speaker pelosi is the looking about maintaining her majority. look at the judiciary committee and many of the members calling for impeachment are in safe seats or they're -- or they're on the committee of jurisdiction and very frustrated or far left. that's what you've got advocating. >> or they're republicans saying they are standing on great principle -- republican singular making the point but yes. >> sure. >> so keith, what happens here
though? because when you look at the whole issue of principle and doing it on principle. i bring up amash obviously the only republican in favor. but the american people when it comes to the politics they don't want it. they don't want it. and you're not succeed on impeachment because the senate won't do it. so there is great risk. so there is this -- this balance right now for pelosi. >> is it a political calculation or the constitutional responsibility? when the 1973 watergate hearings began, 19% -- only 19% of americans supported removing the president. but by the time the hearings concluded a year later more than the majority 57% of americans had -- had supported removing the president. >> interesting point. >> part of that was because you had to dramaticize what the corruption of the president of the united states was doing. people will come along once they say the impeachment proceeding continue. you go back to the clinton administration. they didn't actually lose
because of the impeachment proceedings. the republicans gained by winning -- keeping control of the house, the senate and winning in the 2000 election. >> congressman dent final word do you think the polls could move if they went the formal route with the impeachment proceeding. >> they could move. but remember thung director mueller found no criminal conspiracy and he was inconclusive on obstruction. i just don't see the path forward. polls could move but right now i would stay away from this if i were the democrats. >> thank you very much congressman i appreciate your time. keith that you. and next the former governor of colorado of colorado hickenlooper says he can beat trump and jeanne on the world's greatest expert on everything. >> i'd be really good at that. that's what i do. to start your retirement plan, find an advisor at massmutual.com [sfx: mnemonic] be right back.
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now to fight for 020 and a crucial issue for all americans and the big fail at the white house where president trump called the democrats to meet and work out a plan to save america's failing infrastructure, the president storm out immediately. >> i said, let's have the meeting on fraz. we'll get that done easily. that's one of the easy ones. but you know what, you can't do it under these circumstances. >> outfront now democratic presidential candidate john
hickenlooper the former governor of colorado. you were governor, mayor of denver. one of your biggest achievements was a bipartisan massive infrastructure project that changed the entire area and has created a place a bhoel lot of people want to move to. you know how to do in and have done it well. but do you understand what happened today when you have trump and democrats and he storms out? do you as a former executive of a state, whether he staged it today or not, understand his frustration and why he stormed out? >> well, i see his frustration. but what i keep saying and see president trump is fueling this crisis of division. we're going backwards, not forwards. and at a certain point as the chief executive he has to step over that and something like infrastructure that should be non-partisan. republicans, democrats all agree to it. i mean, you've got to be able to bring people together like we did in colorado. colorado we got to almost universal background checks. we became the number one economy in the country. beat the nra with tough new gun
laws. but that was all by bringing people together. >> so bringing people together, when you look at both sides of this -- and i don't like both sidesism but sometimes people make mistakes. trump engaging in a cover up before she went to meet with him after she went to meet with our caucus on impeachment. she should not have said that? was that also part of the problem? >> no. i think she's in a position she's talking about accountability, a cover up, she's got to do that. but i think this is a problem of how divided we've become. and it's kind of -- what i keep saying is we're seeing the fundamental nonsense in washington and we have to get back to common sense, one way or the other. >> so you have said clearly on this issue, and your party is so divided right now you want to wait for mueller to testify before you make a decision on impeachment. now we hear mueller doesn't want
to do it in public. we don't know how it's going to go because the judiciary committee chairman, nadler said it has to be in public. where do you stand, is there a path forward for democrats that's not impeachment proceedings? >> i think there's other ways we can get to the root of these issues. but again, what's happening is, president trump is -- he's actually fuelling this crisis of division. and he is -- he's part of the problem, not the solution. and i think that ultimately we will get to those facts and i think speaker pelosi is exactly right, that there is clearly got to be accountability and there seems to be evidence of a cover up. now whether he was, meant to do it or didn't mean to do it, he should provide the information so we can actually see what happened. >> so i want to ask you about your plan that you have just unveiled today, you referenced it, you mentioned background checks in colorado, gun
violence. obviously it's a personal issue to you. you were the governor of colorado when the aurora theatre massacre happened. but the reality is this country has failed at gun reform for a long time. we remember the obama administration, 20 children, 6 and 7 year olds were killed in newtown and there was no gun reform. if you couldn't do it then, when could you do it, and that's the truth. what would you do to actually get something done? >> i think newton was, in a funny way, a transition point. we're at a new normal. we have mass shootings, four people or more being shot, almost every day. there's more than six a week. we have, as you said, as a purple state, we were the first to get universal background checks, limits on magazine capacity. what i suggested today is that we go unstep beyond and as we
require our kids when they want to learn to get a driver's license, they have to learn how to driver and pass a test. i'm suggesting when i'm president, we'll not only roll out universal background checks and magazine limits and 21 year olds, if they want to buy a gun, they have to demonstrate they know how to handle weapons safely and responsible at the same time store them safely and responsibili responsib responsib responsibly. we have to change our culture because one mass shooting a day shouldn't be america. >> as we all know, we're sick to our stomach, it is and cannot be. thank you -- >> i have to say because one last part of that, we have hunter safety classes in most of the states so kids are used to taking these classes. >> thank you, governor. i appreciate your time. next, we look at president
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gen tonight nobody knows infrastructure better than trump. >> i want to do infrastructure. i want to do it more than you want to do it. i'd be really good that the. that's what i do. >> that's what he does. that's what he knows, and that's not all he does and knows. here's jeanne moos. >> remember how mohamed ali used to call himself the greatest of all times now it's president trump calling himself the greatest at all times. >> nobody knows more about trade more than pea. >> nobody knows more about technology this type of technology than i do. >> i know more about drones than i do. >> some of the best drone pilots
in the world must be surprised to hear the president droning on about his expertise. what field doesn't he excel in? >> i know more about isis than the generals. nobody knows more about environmental impact states than me. >> nobody that understands the horror of nuclear better than me. >> reporter: it's enough to make your head explode. >> nobody knows the politicians better than me. >> reporter: president trump sure knows how to spew sue per laives. >> i know words. i have the best words. >> i have the best temperament. >> reporter: from a guy who doesn't like to read, this. >> nobody loves the bible more than i do do. >> reporter: occasionally president trump has demonstrated a flash of humility, a moment of mo desty. >> i understand the tax laws better than almost anyone. >> you mean someone understands tax laws bet taran he does. ♪ anything you can do
>> he can do better. >> i have better everything than they have, including this. >> reporter: jeanne moos cnn. >> no, you can't. ♪ yes, i can ♪ yes, i can >> thank you so much for watching. anderson starts now. good evening, once again the world is learning how easy it is to get under the skin of the most powerful man on earth. today after storming out of a meeting on infrastructure, what could be a popular issue for him, president trump stepped outside and unloaded on live television. no, that's not normal, not even by the dim lights of the not normal times. if you didn't see it when it happened, you want to watch it happen now. and to make it happen, all nancy pelosi had to say what she and others have been saying for months. >> we believe no one is above the law, including the president of the united states. and we believe that the president of the united states is engaged in a cover up. in a