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we got david here with elaina and sabrina. the idea of it's got to be one or two things. either you want somebody who can go toe to toe with donald trump, whatever that means, or you want to return to normal. or do you think it's those two interests? you know, twitter ain't the democratic party. these far-left voices that are amplified, 80%-plus identifies themselves as center left. >> i think the party recognizes this is is not about going big in the sense of the whole map. it's about where could you win that clinton couldn't? that is a part of the fight about who can take it to trump. that's true. but there's too much activism on the left to say it can't just be about trump. we have to tfigure out who we are. that's the shot to the future. that's what barry goldwater talked about in 1964. he knew he didn't have a shot to win but he's like, conservatives, grow up, we got to get our act together. it took until 1980 before it happened. i think progressives are making
the argument that that's how we actually change things is find our voice. there's a lot of agreement on that stage tonight. a lot of that agreement is about cementing what that progressive path is. >> i do love that goldwater analogy that he lost in '64 and took until reagan for his ideology to be embodied within the oval office. i think there are large portion of americans right now who are so exhausted by this presidency that they don't want to wait, you know, 10, 15 years, however long it is, for the platonic ideal of progressivism to materialize and take the oval office. you know, it's why i do think that senator michael bennet, he didn't make the stage tonight but did have a message, like, a month ago and said, i kind of want to make america boring again, i promise if you elect me, you will not hear about me for two weeks at a time, what i'm doing, what i'm tweeting, who i'm talking to. i do think there are people that he can resonate with in this country. that's what i think joe biden succeeds in communicating. that he might help make america
boring again. >> what's the difference between goldwater and reagan, to your point, and thank you for setting the table with that, reagan did, to use your word, to use your idea, embody it, made you feel it. my father, wherever he is right now, he's hating that i'm talking about reagan that way because he didn't like the policies. he thought it was a tale of two cities that he was portraying. rich versus poor. but he made people feel that he believed in the country and he connected with their needs and wants. that's the democratic task as well. >> there's been a lot of focus tonight on the top three. joe biden, elizabeth warren, and bernie sanders. which reinforces that perhaps this debate didn't do a lot to change the status quo but those three also really embody both the ideological divide within the party as well as the conflict between whether or not you want to start a movement, whether or not this is a -- >> could push through in the next five, six months? >> there are a lot of peoples you've seen kamala harris -- >> you think she's going to come
back? >> i think it's possible. so early. so much time until voters go to the polls. beto o'rourke had a strong night. you think about it, for a lot of the candidates it's about making the next die baebate stage. >> you have a few hundred days before voting. sabrina, you're exactly right. what happens? who wins iowa, let's say it's now biden. let's say it's a whole new narrative. let's be honest about ourselves. what we want is new narratives. iowa happens, you're going to have a new story. then quhoyou're going to go to next state, next state. you pull off a win, you're second or third, kamala harris is second or third in one of the first couple races, here she comes. you're right, this matters but doesn't matter as much as that will. >> well, that's right. we also are going to start dissecting voting groups and who's showing up to such a degree and the candidates are going to start doing that as well, going to start tailoring their message to appeal to those particular groups. but, you know, in the end, there's a lot of fear here. you know, trump got into power based on fear.
he didn't have big, bold, ideas, it was american carnage, and here, there's fear of trump and there's also, you know, make no mistake, where there was such agreement tonight was that government can and must alter the playing field for americans, can change behavior. can change the course of people's lives. there's not really a conservative in the race because donald trump is not that. so, you know, what conservatives are fighting about is conserving a different role for government, which is what reagan embodied was that idea of the conservation of first principles. that's not really -- that's not what's being debated here but where there was consensus tonight is how much government can and should do. and there's the fight. there's biden saying, whoa, you know, i mean, i align myself with a progressive in barack obama, now we want to go so much farther than that in the democratic party. they're going to spend a lot of time fighting about that and to your point, trump's just going to be waiting and saying, great, you're all socialists as far as i'm concerned.
you fight it out and whoever wins is going to be bloodied by that and here i come. >> also you know what's important to know, we're going to have to start doing more reporting on, is who is tooling up for what races? for all we know, yang is putting his money behind having an amazing infrastructure in new hampshire. let's say he pops the numbers there and winds up pulling off a fourth. all of a sudden, he's in the top four until the next primary, maybe even after that. that's why the state means so much in terms of organizing -- >> are you still convinced that that's even true, though, after 2016? i mean, take rubio. his infrastructure in nevada, for instance, was phenomenal. i mean, i remember being on the ground there and just, in the early days when everyone thought trump was a joke, there was no question that rubio was winning that state. he came in third to trump and cruz. the whole joke about trump was that he had no infrastructure. that this was so haphazard. >> you're 100% right. i'm make bing the case -- they have to pull a rabbit out of the
hat because they have to make you care. the people writing about you, we were talking earlier about why klobuchar hasn't gotten more run, we haven't given her the run. i've had her on the show numerous times. we've done town halls with her. she hasn't done enough to get the people to start pushing the cause. how do people find out who beto o'rourke is? democrats threw a ton of money at him in infrastructure, they wanted him to beat cruz. he became a golden boy. he got put on the cover of "vanity fair." he's a golden boy again. everybody talks him up. he raises money. he falls down. the media leaves him alone. that's where he stays. ckamala harris, same thing. buttigieg, same thing. if the media, you're resonating, getting the headlines from being in the debate, you start to make your own luck. >> to your point, by the time we got to nevada in 2016, mb arco rubio's ground game was almost irrelevant because he was already losing. ted cruz through his infrastructure in iowa, that's where he finished first to the surprise of many and that really
changed the narrative around the race. i think had it not been for donald trump, ted cruz very likely would have been the republican nominee. that's where the ground game very much still does matter. elizabeth warren actually had a very formidable ground game in the early states. that's why the trump campaign is internally somewhat concerned about her prospects and just to the point you made about the rust belt and this tension in the democratic party, donald trump won those states by maybe 20,000 to 22,000 votes. the margins are really, really tight. the question for democrats is are they going to make a really big play for those independent-minded voters through this approach of incrementalism or try and put together that obama coalition of voters and really double down on the base it sh. >> that's what they need. >> which is people of color, young voters and women. >> they don't have to be mutually exclusive, either. >> i mean, remember, cruz who had, you know, by all accounts a brilliant team of strategists based their voter models off a 6 million people turnout in texas. how many turned out? 8 million. that's why beto o'rourke actually came as close as he
did. to beating ted cruz. if that kind of model is replicated in 2020, that sort of focus on young people, on minority voters, that's where that matters. >> you know, something that we kicked around, i think, a few times is sitting with me now which is, you know, a lot of this debate was about winning the progressive primary. winning the big progressive idea. that's really where the fight is. biden, who catapulted his campaign with the idea that it was a rejection of dronald trum, the fight for the soul of america, he's not spending a lot of his time talking about that. that's right. he's on the defensive. he's trying to sound hip and with it. he can take on his opponents, can remember facts. trying much too hard in my judgment because he can't command all these facts and sounds like he's stumbling over words. >> the night before -- >> right. he's trying to remember facts that his advisers prepped with him. only kamala harris tonight at the point that i saw for the first hour and a half was really
saying, bringing it back to who are we up against? you know, barack obama was really -- this was -- his candidacy was a really about iraq and it was about rejecting iraq. this is only going to be about rejecting trump. but right now, they're fighting two things at once. the progressive ideas and the future and taking on trump. >> and think about it, kamala harris spent the first two debates really going after joe biden so it's been quite a striking turnaround to see her sort of congratulating her opponents and, you know, really giving them their credit. >> i think she's looking for a way in here. the inner circle. >> back to trump, because i think that increasingly the field is realizing that democratic voters are much more concerned with how you're going to take on donald trump. and joe biden, you know, the polls only tell you so much but he still has such a commanding lead. his campaign has been singularly focused. >> because on electability, the polling in terms of the primary focus of the democratic electorate being about electability, that polling has
been there from the get-go. it's interesting to me that somebody like kamala harris, for instance, is only just now kind of trying to bring it back. that was a stunning moment vis-a-vis health care when she said remember who we're up against, you know, donald trump, we will, you know, campaign against obamacare with no replacement in mind. let's talk about for a moment. the fact that she's doing that just now, i mean, i have to wonder if it's too late. >> what -- let's figure out who's telling them what because we've all seen the same numbers. every time you ask the democrats, they have an existential -- >> exactly. >> -- fear about this president. even if it's not fear, it's outrage. you know, that they want him out. and they say, i hear it on my radio show, i have this sirius radio show, two hours every day, everybody who doesn't want trump says they'll vote for anybody else. it's only once you get into the democratic parties and you start -- you start messing with them about it, now they start talking about the gradation. so who's telling them what that they're not focusing on what we all see as -- >> you know, the two
conversations about -- that as much as democrats want the election to just be a ref rerenm on him, it's going to be a choice between two people and have to defend policies not just against trump, naysayers and -- that's what elizabeth warren and they're all trying to do especially the progressives saying these are big ideas that are actually going to move people in a way donald trump has not been able to help them and will go beyond where barack obama has been. but that -- the fundamental bet is still that there are enough voters who are open because they're tired of the trump show. they're really, they're turned off or they think he hasn't delivered and i think that's still a primary message that they're getting, that they're campaigning on, but they've got to be about something more. look, you have aoc in congress. i mean, she is full of big, bold, progressive ideas. and she's taking on trump. and i think this is where the candidates are trying to mirror some of that progressive --
>> here's the thing, though, everything's case by case. she won against a no-show -- >> i get it. >> she got the attention now of the -- >> he did a lot of good things according to his party, but he was a no-show there. i don't know how much traction she's getting there. the media loves her. okay? she's got a nickname. we call her by three initials. now she's got the whole group with her that they call the squad. that's about us. i don't know how it resonates to the american people let alone on the next level. so this debate tonight was supposed to be a big showdown debate. didn't really happen. although, it does seem that we've had the best biden to date. the question is, is the best biden good enough at this point? >> well, i think -- why i love coming on your show, chris, we talk about the element so much. you can talk a big game against an opponent.
you get on the stage and they're right there, it's harder. same thing about talking about trump. >> you're right. you're all right. that's why i love having you. thank you so much. this is so much fun. i'll be back at midnight, but right now, post-debate coverage begins with anderson cooper. anderson? >> chris, thanks very much. good evening, everybody. moments ago the third presidential debate wrapped up. a number of standout moments and performances, many of them involving joe biden who gave about good as he got on the stage and got from quite a few of the candidates tonight. overall a heated night with all the candidates sparring over a number of the big issues. the big issue, who is best suited, of course, to take on president trump. going right now to the folks roo educa right here with me for some reaction. david chalian, let's start with you. >> i think joe biden had the best debate performance of the cycle so far for him tonight. >> is it because he was more focused or -- >> yeah, he was just sharper and he seemed as you said in your intro, he seemed to be able to do the give and take with a lot more ease than he did in the first couple debates.
he just seemed more confident up there, more on his game. so i think he had a pretty strong night which means the debate probably didn't change much in the race. i think there wasn't a lot of new policy ground broken in the debate tonight. i don't know that this is going to dramatically change the race. the other thing i would note, overall, anderson, it was sort of, i thought, specialespeciall health care conversation in the beginning sort of the center strikes back with biden and klobuchar and buttigieg sort of taking on sanders and warren with not going to the whole medicare for all kit and kabood kaboodle. their argument wasn't getting as much play in the previous debates. the left was driving that debate and caused a lot of concern in more moderate democratic circles. and tonight, i thought you saw some of those more centrist candidates really push through a bit more than we had seen previously. >> yeah, i think that's right, and in some ways, i think bernie was bernie times 100 tonight.
very yelly. angry. there was this moment the camera captured him sort of just yelling at biden around health care and biden just kind of standing there smiling at him which i thought was a good moment for biden. i agree with david, biden i think had his best of the cycle. his best debate. he was energetic. he was quick on his feet. warren i thought kind of faded down the stretch which in some ways was okay because bernie was sort of taking all the heat and making the case for progressive which i think was a bad contrast. biden i thought was kind of calm and cool and collected. and made a pretty strong case for the moderates. warren didn't quite answer the question, right, about how she would actually pay for this. would it be a middle class tax cut? she didn't quite answer that. she essentially said overall costs would be lower. at some point i think biden said there will be a deductible but it will be from your paycheck. he also i think at some point called bernie a socialist which was also a moment. also i think beto had a fantastic night. if there's sort of an overall winner, i think it would be him.
i've been critical of beto in the past. i think he's really found his footing. he's fantastic on the gun debate, obviously a huge tragedy happened in his backyard as well as immigration. there was a humanity there to him and a passion. he spoke with real hurt and was really compelling. it will be interesting to see what this means for him going forward. >> first of all, these were the ten top candidates and it was a more coherent debate it seemed to me than the ones we've seen before. i agree with what's been said. i don't think much as changed, particularly at the top, joe biden had his best performance. so much of it is whether he's the guy who can beat trump and everybody is watching to see if he can stand up to these kinds of pressures and he did. i think elizabeth warren had a better night, perhaps, than you did. i think she's very consistent. that's been the hallmark of her entire campaign. she is unflappable.
she is consistent. i think she was -- here i thought she navigated the health care question pretty well. it's interesting to me, everybody attacks bernie, you know, inferentially attacking warren. then she kind of navigates around it and lets bernie, you know, do the interesting stuff to me was below the leaders. i think beto had an outstanding night. passionate, commanding in way he hasn't been before. he figured oit why he's in the race. >> he said if you have an ak 47, ar 15, we'll take it away. which is the nightmare of everybody who owns one. >> no doubt. he was for reparations. there's a controversial position. i'm not suggesting what happened in tonight means he will be president of the united states. he didn't look like he belonged on that stage ntd last debates. tonight he knew dwr he was there and performed well. booker was good again tonight.
klobuchar there was her best debate and confronted sandersers and warren on the healthcare issue. which is something she was reluctant to do. the only person i had thought had a disappointing night was castro. he overreached in a way -- >> he went for biden suggesting. >> you forgot what you said two minutes ago? it was an overt kind of shot. ageist sort of shot. at biden. remember, these are well liked people. joe biden is a well liked person in the democratic party. >> you can argue, if castro will be saying that thst no telling what trump would say. if he's on the stage with joe biden. he has to be ready for. >> for sure. >> democratic voters have many more options. he blows himself up by attacking somebody that all the voters watching have good feelings about the guy.
and -- >> it was a risk. he's at 1% trying it stay in the race. it was a calculated risk. he lost on that. >> i think pretty much i feel like everybody had their moment. almost everybody at some point sort of popped and did a good job on something. i think warren did a great job. she came in with high expectations sp met them. she didn't get as many questions. she wasn't in the mix as much. but i felt like she delivered on every question she got and was able to parlay the sort of attacks coming from the moderates. and i think cory had a great night. it didn't translate in the poll. i don't know if that would translate. beto same thing. he's becoming a bet of a niche candidate. it's around gun safety. he's getting attention for that. the question is can he build that into something bigger.
klobuchar this was her best performance. no question. and i thought kamala was a little unsteady compared to how she's been in the past. i didn't feel like she really did anything to change the trajectory of where he is now. and i think biden i disagree on. i think he looked unsteady at many points. he had good moments and other points he looked unsteady and deer in the headlights. and he gave some answers like afghanistan. that sound like he was talking about his iraq plan. things when you have the fact checkers come back, i didn't feel like he was that strong and he's still running on the fact he's he was obama's vice president. and people feel like he can win. and feel have affection for him. i didn't think it was as strong
as other people. >> mitch, you have been on the debate stage. >> i have been. very hard. sometimes we get lost in the weeds. the mission is to beat donald trump and restore american values. it's clear to most people in the country who are exhausted by president trump. he is misused the power of the presidency. and abused it to hurt people and divide us. and isolate us as a nation. i think people in america have this intuitive sense we're heading in the right direction. my sense was it was a great debate. almost everybody that was there. and you can see almost every one of the people would be a better president for american values than president trump. i think rit large it was a good night. it was a good debate. the questions were good. the answers were good. they talked about healthcare, immigration, foreign policy. they got into the weeds on segregation and reparations. and talked about tax policy. actually i thought everybody performed well. p the big debate tonight for me
was between vice president biden and elizabeth warren. on the issue of going deep, or stay steady. are we trying to hit a single or over the fence? biden answered that well by saying you can believe in big things you have to have the realistic plan to get there. the engage want of that debate started and that's going to continue. >> we haven't heard that debate on stage. >> you haven't saw that teased out. they haven't stood on the stage together before. warren had a good night. she's smart. she has plans but can she beat trump. she articulates bernie's position better than he does. the best guess is she'll out pace him. the under card was really good. booker did a spectacular job. beto. and secretary castro had weak moments. and klobuchar looked good. she dint gate lot of air time.
tonight -- >> personal. >> senator booker did an excellent job of trying to bring back what his vision is for america to how he grew up and govern ds. i thought they all did well. i was proud. >> you were involved in prep for vice president biden in the debate. >> yes. i'm really happy. i thought he we anticipated a lot. of what was discussed tonight and he felt comfortable going in and being able to rely on his experience. also in the past he's been uncomfortable in talking about his personal like the losses of his kids. which is he doesn't want to make it look like he's using them. for some other reason. his closing was just really who he is. >> beautiful. >> obviously i'm bias.
in this assessment. >> was it were others tougher against him? >> castro. i thought that was a really bad move of him. even the audience booed when he said don't you remember what you said two minutes ago? that was really a low blow. and i don't think it will help him. i do think, it makes me proud to be a democrat. they it just made me feel good. the whole evening. even though there was per cussiveness. it wasn't person. there were arguments about policy back and forth. i felt bad for bernie. he looked like he was getting over a cold and i think his he looked a little red and i felt bad for him. i wanted him to get a drink of water or cough drop. >> healthcare. >> seemed like vice president biden had cough drops.
>> the whole campaign getting over a cold. biden was chewing cough drops and i was hoping thanksgiviey w share. >> the women would have shared. >> the socialists would have as well. >> they would have shared a cough drop. >> tonight everybody embraced obama. right? nobody -- >> great night. >> obama had a perfect night. >> the big winner of the debate tonight was barack obama. and everybody had to give him credit and i was proud to be a democrat tonight. on this tough discussion on guns. criminal justice. and war. those are the issues that people have tried to dance around and get away with in our party for too long. just honest. it was beautiful. also, first hour, biden ate his wheatties. and he was good.
i'm on the left in the party. biden that first hour, you can say that guy could deal with donald trump. he was good. it's just as you get with the night he makes mistakes and if you are are a moderate looking for a reason to support. you saw it in the first hour. booker and beto are growing. they're growing and they're finding the gear. finding themselves. beautiful. tonight i thought pete shrank a bit. he shrank a bit. he wasn't the pete -- at the end. >> the close was -- >> fantastic. you expect that from him every time. more singles fewer home rups from pete. >> this maybe the last for some of them. >> they're all in the next debate. >> when does the dnc start to toughen the rules? >> after that. november. >> one last thing about booker.
he's -- >> why do you laugh? >> take me to church. >> talking about healthcare. and fighting each other. he came in as healing presence in the healthcare debate. he is trying to to do something that i think a lot of people want to see democrats do. dwoent have to tear each other down build up a vision for a better country. cory booker who looked like yesterday's man in first debate. he's growing. beto had a great night. i'm proud to see a straight white guy take on the issues of racial justice with a passion. it's good to see. i don't think he'll make the president of the united states. he found his gear. >>. >> going off the pobooker momen. second tier candidates look for moments in a debate and know the top tier will snipe at each other and they want to step in like the adult in the room and saw the calming thing.
booker taught a master class in that. you saw buttigieg try to do it. he said let many show yo how it's done. and it was perfect. i agree about democrats saying what they mean. this year. that was my take away. watching this. we are watching democrats say what they mean. because their ideas are not of the mainstream. our ideas are mainly popular. even things we have been told are controversial. like guns. warren talked about the healthcare debate and every issue. in a wa i that people understand. they are not worried about taxes and premiums. they worry about cost. no one likes their insurance company line is a universal crowd pleaser because it's 100% true. she did an excellent job. this was biden's best for biden. i was the bar to be higher for the front runner. i don't like he gets lost in
questions. answering an economic segregation question with venezuela is an odd choice and the flubs get to me. this was reassuring. this was closer than he has been before. the bottom line of this debate is i would sleep better at night with any person on that stage in the white house. i can't imagine being an undecided american watching that and coming to a different conclusion. they have good ideas. >> you're not representative of the undecided american. >> undecided democratic voter. >> couple things. one is a small strategic point on warren. at the front and back she got a lot of buy og any. she was in houston. houston played a big role in her life. that was important. she's doing well with college educated whites. liberals and kids. not breaking through with working class voters, black or
white. partly because she's very much the professor at times. she needs to, her biography is important. in terms of conveying a message of connection with people that they might not -- that was valuable. the thing i miss is you get caught up in the issues. i understand it's exhilarating to hear people articulate the issues. there's something bigger. we're going through a period in history that is unlike anything we have seen. and nobody really spoke to the sort of the highest level or consistently. to the highest level issue which is we go through a mix master every day in the country. and it is driving us to the breaking point. and that is a concern to people not just democrats. but to others as well. and booker touched on it.
kamala did. nobody sort of made that a central focus throughout. and part of what you want to do is drive a message throughout. that's a big message. if i were a candidate i want to seize the message it has a broad base. >> the country has a profound sense that we are in a period of great loss. we're losing american values. we're heading in the wrong direction. the last four years made us worse off. four more years the country maybe unrecognizable. this election may not be about plans at all. it maybe who we are as a country. that will be the biggest challenge. we have to win. the american people have common sense. they are exhausted with seeing this. >> speaking of exhausted. i might be the only person. do we have to have the same healthcare debate every time? i know moderates got in punches.
whoever has the next debate, look at the last three. every single time. >> i want to go to houston. there with senator klobuchar. >> we are here in houston. we were sit together watching you. how do you feel? >> it went very well. i had the opportunity to make the strong case i don't want to be president for the half of the country. but all the country. and the way you do that is not just by firing up the base. which we can do and they are fired up. it's by bringing in independents and moderate republicans. people some voted for trump. we need not only to win the president but the u.s. senate. and you do that by making sure that you are winning in those states of colorado, and arizona. and alabama with doug jones. so my argument is that while i was on the right side of the
stage and many of my colleagues were to the left i'm in the middle of the country. in the middle of the party. that's what we need to do to lead the ticket. >> aside from geography. which you mentioned a lot. you're from the middle of the country. how is that message different from joe biden? >> first of all, i live in the middle of the country. secondly, i'm one of three women on the stage. that's important. obviously i'm in a new generation of leaders that had to deal with donald trump and be in power then and both try to work through it. also have seen the horrors of the effects of this guy that he has on regular people. in the promises that he hasn't kept. i'm from a rural state that has both the metro area and rural. i have seen this in iowa. we didn't get to all of it. the effects of his trade policy. effects of the secret waivers giving to oil companies. those are things i can speak
from the heart. for rural america. as well as having a strong argument to make for bringing in suburban voters. that's the pun dits work. where i come from and why i can sgle . >> healthcare. there was a big debate. medicare for all. and there's the rest of you who don't support that. >> let's make it clear, if someone wants a $16 trillion package when the economy is $20 trillion when it comes to climate change. which i have a very smart proposal. i'm probably not your candidate. if you want to have throw off 149 million people in four years off the current insurance i'm not your candidate. if you want free college to rich kids. i'm not your candidate. i think people want something different. to bring us together and lead
and win big. the work doesn't end on election day it starts on inauguration day. that's the clear case i'm making. the more i get out there the better it gets. >> when you were on the stage, i'm curious, and heard castro go after joe biden. about his memory. it was obvious what he was getting at. what was going through your mind? >> i just thought, this is not cool. just because you can have policy differences and i was one of the few up there that was willing to take on bernie and the things even though we work together all the time. i would never do it personally. it was personal and unnecessary. when we have a to unite and we have done this in 2018. we took back the house. we united behind candidates and didn't treat each other like trump. one of the things bothered me is he courseened the rhetoric.
we don't have to change policy, we have to change the tone in the politics. and when a statement like that is made, it doesn't feel like that. it felt like a donald trump tweet. >> you brought up many times out there tonight. there's more that unites us than divides us. that was important. there's a lot of disagreement, healthcare. also guns. you have people with stark points of view. and you have you. you're moderate. like joe biden. what makes you different. one of the moments came from beto o'rourke. talking about guns. hunters in your family. he says hell yeah i'll take back the ak 47s. >> i want to play that moment for you. >> impact high velocity round when it hits your body shreds
everything in your body. it was designed to do that. so you would bleed to death on the battlefield. when we see that being used against children. we'll take your ar 15, ak 47. it won't be used against a fellow american anymore. >> does that go too far? i'm coming if you own it we'll take it back? >> we should start with voluntary buy back. with some from the government. and the private sector. you won't do any of this without passing the assault weapon ban. we are not even close to doing that with trump in the white house. i sat across from him after parkland. i have been a leader. going after domestic abusers and so they can't get a an ak 47. i watched nine times he said he wanted universal background check. i have a piece of paper where i wrote down the hash marks.
he never got it done. he met with the nra and folded. i won't fold. what unites us so much stronger than what dids us up there. >> we don't think we should have assault weapons in the hands of the murders like el paso and dayton. we should do magazine limits and something on the universal background check. and the closing the loophole. donald trump i want him on the stage today. i would have said why did you fold after you told that to me to my face? i can't wait to debate him. and why when the majority of trump voters and hunters and 90% of the people in the country want background check won't you do it? we know the answer. he's in with the nra. >> all right. thank you. >> thank you, senator. >> back to new york. anderson. >> van, you were listening to that. it's interesting. >> that was great. she was great. why didn't you do that before?
>> she was very good in the debate. >> what you're referring to. she went after the left wing party. >> she dumped her debate prep. all her best lines. in the after show. mitch can tell you, and jennifer. it's hard to stand on the stage and it's easy for us to sit here. >> that line. the perfect response from a moderate to the progressive wing. my wing of the party. if you want to take away sthu s insurance from people. i am not your candidate. it was tough and clear. she o blbliterated our position. after the debate. >> one of the tests of being a candidate for president of the united states is can you these things in the moment? that's it. >> she couldn't tonight. >> quick break. we'll have more debate analysis.
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tonight. a lot of disagreement in terms of policy. klobuchar said there's more than unites the part than divides it. back now with our political team. who move -- did anybody significantly move the needle tonight in obviously the needle is getting difficult to move. >> i want to see whether kamala's strategies pays off. she kept taking it to trump. all night. little jabs all throughout the and they seemed calculate to hit him where he's most likely to respond. her first answer directly to him and go back to fox news. and the great man behind the curtain wizard of oz moment. she questioned the man's masculinity. which is a sensitive area for him. if he comes back at her, tonight or tomorrow. i think we can say maybe she moved the needle. that was what she was trying to get done. >> that's her argument. she's the best to prosecute donald trump. it's the way she used her
background in a positive way. she probably had the best answer to her prosecutor record. it was a tough question. that davis asked her in terms of what do you make of the evolution on any number of issues. and why should we trust you now given you were on the wrong side of the issues before. i thought she had a good answer. talking about working from the inside. she knows the system. she's the best person to change the system. we'll see. >> she adjusted the answer she has been giving us. normally she gets so defensive and attacks the questioner. you got that wrong. and here she said that's not my record but said she appreciated the question. it was a different approach to this answer tonight. that was not nearly as defensive. >> the history of her in the race has been that she has great moments. she hasn't had a consistent
message. i'm not sure she solved that problem. she had good moments in the debate. she had a bad moment which was the yes, we can. to joe biden about guns. it was inappropriate and the laugh was inappropriate. she had good moemtds including the last answer she gave. what's missing is the coherent message she drives throughout. and you see it in elizabeth warren. you don't in kamala yet. >> i want to go back to chief political correspondent. and cnn anchor with cory booker. >> thank you. thank you so much, senator booker. >> thank you for having me. >> you had a different approach. >> yes. >> than the last time. there were no cool aid moments. >> the spirit was the same. i'm trying to drive the message as much as i can. the differences between us as democrats are important. more important than that is the ability to unify.
as a party. and any kind of demeaning and degrading between candidates i'll stand up against it. i have seen this movie before. >> you were tough on your fellow democrats. joe biden. in our debate a month ago. >> you saw the way i did it. it wasn't a cheap shot. it was me smiling with him and going back and forth of an issue of differences around criminal justice reform. my theme in that debate. the same theme i returned to twice or three times. with need to be a team that can unify after this primary fight. and if we can't, our chances of taking back the senate and the presidency are diminished. and the person that must emerge from the party is not just stand their grounds but common ground. that's why i'm running. >> as you were sitting down, you were saying the beginning of the debate it was three people getting time. talking about healthcare. and you got in more.
>> what was the most important moment you had? >> the spirit. i ended with it and began with it. we are facing just unprecedented times. as a senator i rare republicans unfortunately away from the public talking about the moral vandalism going on in the country. i don't care left or right. so many things on the common ideas and purposes. pulling children in cages or 90% of americans agree on let's do something about gun violence. we have so much common ground than what divides us. this is a moral moment in the country. it's not a referendum on one guy or office. it's who we are and who we will be to each other. on so many issues that matter, we're falling behind from life expectancy. to even how well our children do. we lead industrial nations on
infant mortality. the call of the country is find a way after this time of deviciveness and a common vision. that's the leader we need. >> we have been talking about castro when he called out joe biden. saying you don't remember what you said. klobuchar was here telling us she thought it was uncool and trump like. what did you think in the moment? >> if you saw senator klobuchar. we were on the end. we were talking about the notes. >> is that the cheap shot you were referring to? >> look, i think woe are at a tough point. there's a lot of people concerned about joe biden ability to carry the ball across the end line without fumbling. and castro had really legitimate concerns about can he be someone in a long grueling campaign that he can kbet the ball over the line and has every right to call it out. the tone and te nor is
important. we can respect a vice president bb and disagree. i tried to show that. where we have strong disagreements. we shouldn't do things that at the end of it. when you demonize somebody and create bad blood it's hard to unify after. >> do you think biden did a better job tonight? do you think -- he could take the ball over the line. he was stronger. >> there was a lot of moments where a number of us were looking at the stage when he tends to go on sometimes. he's talking about people in communities like mine listening to record players. >> they're back in. >> the vinyl is hot. maybe he's cooler than i am. there are moments where you listen to joe biden and you just wonder. i don't know -- >> are you saying he's too old to be president. >> i have listened to him over the years. and often felt like there were
times he is going on or in his speech. i want someone that can excite and energize and call us to a campaign like we saw in 08. and 12. we had the record turn out. and somebody who can speak to the fullness of the democratic party. if i believe biden was that person i wouldn't be sitting here. i believe the people who win it party, they're never polling ahead this far ahead. considered under dogs. but show the ability to inspire. to ignite. and you see the incredible almost movement like election es. i'm not sure is joe biden can do that. i believe i can. that's why i'm in the primary. criticisms are not demeaning or diminishing. an extraordinary statesman in america. who has been at this for a decades and decade. i have such reverence for him.
we don't need a safe bet. we need to inspire and engage. and importantly, a time of different voices can unify us. >> senator, thank you very much. we appreciate you. >> i'm so grateful. you'll feel the bern in a few minutes. >> right there. >> all right. we'll reset. we're looking forward to seeing you in a minute. >> stalking you. >> the senator is saying that booker is stalking us. >> with that you can take it back. >> all right. a lot to unpack from that interview. we'll take a short break. and the sanders will talk about his intense back and forth with joe biden.
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when i tried to do is make the case that we have to move beyond a dysfunctional healthcare system. and in which we are spending twice as much per person as the people of any other country. while 87 million americans are uninsured or under insured and we pay by far the highest prices in the world for prescription drugs. i think i hope i made the point over four year, we should expand medicare to cover everybody in the country. and at the end of the day it will save the average american a lot of money in healthcare costs. >> i want to ask you about that, there was a moment when vice president biden contradicted you on that plan. i want to play that for the viewers and talk about it. >> the fact of the matter is we're in a situation if you notice he hasn't answered the question. let's have a big idea. the tax of 2% the senator talking about. that raises about $3 billion.
guess what? that leaves you $28 billion short. the senator said before it will cost you in your -- there will be a deductible. in your paycheck. some are making 60 grand with three kid. they'll pay 5,000 more. that's a reality. it's not a bad idea if you like it, i don't like it. >> i think he meant trillion. but what's your response to that? >> joe doesn't know what he's talking about. i like joe. he's a friend of mine. i don't think he knows what he's talking about. we're spending $30 trillion over ten years on healthcare. that's a lot of money. it is. if we maintain the status quo. according to to a study we'll spend $50 trillion. we're now spending twice as much per person on healthcare as the people of any other nation. by far the highest prices in the
world for prescription drugs. the current system is incredibly expensive. every study i have seen shows medicare for all which eliminates 100 billion in profits by the healthcare industry. which ends the bureaucracy and administrative nightmare in the system. which has hundreds of different insurance programs that have to be dealt with. we can save many hundreds of billions of dollars provide healthcare to every man, woman and child. and save the average person significant sums of money on healthcare costs. >> mayor buttigieg said your plan doesn't trust the american people to do what makes the most sense for them. >> i'm sorry? >> mayor buttigieg said your plan doesn't the medicare for all doesn't trust the american people to do what makes the most sense for them. >> that's wrong. look, what the american people
want is to be able to go to any doctor that they choose. by the way, under the current system advocated by biden and others, many people do not have the doctor they want within their insurance net work. they have to pay out of pocket to get the doctor they want. we trust the american people to choose the doctor they want. the hospital they want. the med call procedures they want. that's what medicare for all is about. freedom of choice regarding doctor and hospital. which we don't have right now. >> i think the question the american people got to ask themselves, why we are the only major country on earth not to guarantee healthcare to all and spend so much more than other countries. whether it's appropriate that the drug companies and the insurance companies make tens of billions of dollars why so many people are uninsured and 500,000
americans go bankrupt every year in this system. >> maybe nobody likes their health insurance they have. but you are telling voters essentially trust the government. we're going to have a better healthcare system for you. and you're going to give up your private insurance. you're asking people to give up something for something they don't know themselves. they have not seen. >> that's what medicare does right now. medicare as you know is the most popular health insurance program in america. all we want to do is expands it over fo four years. we're talking about comprehensive healthcare including home healthcare. it will be a very strong program. and i think that is the direction of the american people want us to move into. >> you were standing next to
vice president biden. when castro went after him saying have you just forgotten what you said two minutes ago. he was actually wrong about that. there wasn't a disparity. but i wonder what you thought of the people in the audience who thought it went too far. klobuchar was out saying she thought the tone of that was unnecessary. >> well, all i can say is during this debate and tonight and forever, i will be contrasting my views and my positions and my record with joe biden. as i said tonight, joe voted for the disaster war in iraq. he voted for very bad trade policy. which cost us millions of dollars. good paying jobs. a bad bankrupt bill. a bail out in wall street. i i voted the other direction.
i will disagree with joe on our record and our vision for the future. i won't go after him personally. that's not right. >> senator sanders. appreciate your time. >> thank you. >> back now with the political team. wow. >> that's what everybody should be saying. i'm not going to go after people personally. it was so wild. cory booker who i was praising just went and kneecaped joe biden. >> do we have the -- that -- the booker. do we have it? let's play it. what he said in the after show. >> i think that we are at a tough point right now there's a lot of people who are concerned about joe biden's ability to carry the ball across the end line without fumbling. and i think castro had really legitimate concerns about can he be someone in a long grueling
campaign approximate get the ball over the line. he has every right to call that out. tone is important. and we can respect a president biden and disagree with him. i tried to show that. we have strong disagreements. we shouldn't do things that at the end of this when you demonize somebody. it creates bad blood it's hard to unify after wards. >> don't go out and say can he carry the ball. over the finish line. that is suggesting a personal attack and i i don't know -- i'm biassed. i was in this debate prep with him and spent days. the guy is utterly sharp. he is. he knows his facts. he's strong and -- >> booker went on saying the democratic party the front runner doesn't usually win. >> that maybe technically true.
what he said that was insidious. that's an insidious argument. that's testing the vice president mental acuity. the guy is sharp. had showed up at every debate. everybody is throwing the book at him and he's standing. that was inauthentic. >> it's odd. if your whole message was about unifying the party and -- when this primary season ends we have to -- the party has to be some unified force. within minutes of saying that. >> i don't think that's what he was saying. he asked if he was talking about his age. this is something i felt for a long time. >> i have a get in a break. reaction to the debate from mayor pete buttigieg. ♪ ♪ award winning interface. ♪ ♪
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we're reflecting here. you have had a few minutes. how do you feel? >> it feels great. we had a real opportunity to explain why my vision for america is different. to have ideas that are bold enough to meet colossal challenges in front of us. to do in way that's unifying when the country is polarized. the boldest idea is the left most. it's ambitious enough to meet the challenge. there's a strong american majority. for action on everything from gun violence to immigration to wages to climate. we have to activate that american majority. that's not just a question on how to win the election. but govern when we do. >> so much of the focus has been on whether the party because of the very strong voices of sanders and warren is moving too far to the left. you have been trying to pull it back to the middle. do you feel like you were heard more on that tonight?
you had more voices singing from the song sheet nont. >> there was an opportunity to challenge the ideas out there that we can just deliver for example in a matter of a new years flip a switch and change the entire american healthcare system. when we can meet the same goal in a different way. this isn't about dialing down aspirations. this is about medicare for all who want it. for example. giving everybody the choice. create that public alternative. biggest reform to american healthcare since medicare. but it doesn't divide the american people. on issue after issue we have to think about how to make sure we can unify a polarized american people around getting something done. it's not always about the lef center thing. that's the useful frak work for folks trying to cover politics. less and less people are thinking in those terms. most folks in term in my neighborhood and industrial midwest want to know how their lives will be different. >> that's true.
>> with us very versus anybody else. >> lives would be changed if something like medicare for all actually -- >> we have to focus on what's the core principle here. it's not important in principle that the government be in charge. the government ought to be part of creating a solution. what's important in principle is everybody get healthcare. we will challenge the private sector by competing them out of business or daring them to come up with something better. we can't come at it from ideology frame and govern well. or win. what we can do now is not watering down values. we have to focus on what we can get done. it can't wait four years or ten years. >> there was a moment obviously castro was referring to biden's memory and soon after you and others you reacted. you said this is why presidential debates are unwatch
shl. this is what people with not stand. is that referring to what castro said? >> it was femaieling like a skr up there. it's a debate. sometimes i think the frame work has candidates and advisers thinking the only way to get anywhere and poke a hole in a fellow democrat. we have to compete over the best for america. and the most important thing we're talking about, the person we're talking about is not us. or the stage or the president. it's the person at home watching wondering what it will mean to them. >> for the people who weren't watching. let's play what she was referring to. >> this is why presidential debates are becoming unwatchable. this remind efb of what they cannot stand about washington. scoring points against each other. poking at each other and telling each other your plan, my pln.
>> that's called a primary election. that's an election. >> this is what we're here for. it's an election. >> a house divided cannot stand. that is not -- >> everyone we know we're on the same team. >> do you think that you were able to differentiate. i know we may see things differently than you see as candidates. we like the heat and the back and forth. and healthcare. you call it a skrum. it was a moment joe biden said you only get $3 billion. and your plan would cost more than 30. >> i think that part is healthy. i appreciated the opportunity to demonstrate how my vision would deliver healthcare in a way that can unify the american people. the important thing is we make sure the focus is always the person at home. whether we're talking about how to make college affordable or what it will take to keep kids
safe in school. any of the extremely strong and serious challenges that the country is faced with we can rise to meet them and talking about how. it's a contest. it's a competition. it's supposed to be competitive. we can do that without tearing each other up so there's nothing left in the general against the president. >> thank you. >> back with the panel. in new york. do you think it is -- we were talking about the back and forth before. is it too much? >> you know, i have to tell you that i'm not like an there are plenty of veterans of politics. this doesn't strike me as particularly, the castro line was person personal in a way that was off putting. will it rip the democratic party apart? i don't think so. >> let's play the sound that you're talking about.
>> barack obamas vision was not to leave ten million people uncovered. hepted every person in this country covered. my plan dwould that. your plan would not. >> they do not have to buy in. >> you just said that two minutes ago. you said they would have to buy in. are you forgetting what you said two minutes ago? are you forgetting already? i can't believe you said two minutes ago that they had to buy in. now you said they don't have to. you're forgetting that. >> anyone with a grandmother who has no money. you're enrolled. >> i'm fulfilling the legacy of obama. and you're not. >> i'll be surprised to him. >> that was actually wrong about biden. >> in the sense he was touching -- he was trying to
exploit this issue of biden's preparedness or age really. this is what it was about. that was -- but clearly something on the stage one on one with president trump. >> if he's on the stage. he's proven himself capable of doing. that's the nature of these campaigns. they expose who you are. i said years ago, there are mris for the soul. whoever you are, people know by the end of it. either biden can handle it or he can't. if he can handle it, he's going to get nominated, i suspect. if he can't, someone else will. >> one of the reasons that we're having this conversation right now is because the leadup, all day, was warren versus biden. it's gonna be big. it's gonna be amazing. >> i think you said that. >> i heard you say that. >> you were the hype man. >> but actually, the two big, you know, titanic, you know, forces, really talked about policies and numbers and they
left each other alone. castro jumps in, he tries to score some punches. i think he was wrong on the facts, in fact, he was wrong about what biden said. i think he was also probably wrong tonally. i think he's going to regret that. however, it's touch for these undercard candidates. if they just sit there and play nice all the time, it's very hard to have a moment unless you have the skills of a cory booker. so, getting scrappy has paid off, at least the sugar high for some of these guys. i think that there's a concern about the -- the disunity. the people who are speaking to it best, we just heard one of them. pete buttigieg. he has a magic to him. he is able to make the moderate position, which he ultimately comes to, seem somehow inspiring. and i do think he's right. i don't think it's always left versus right. i think it's boring versus inspiring. like, you know, cool versus stale. there's other ways that people process this stuff, and i don't think that pete had the night he
usually has, but he is a blessing to this party. and i thought his closing statement, talking about coming out, was a beautiful moment in the campaign, not just tonight, in the campaign. >> and about the fact that there's -- there are things more important than winning. >> yes. >> beautiful. >> so often lost in politics. >> and he didn't do it tonight, but throughout the campaign, he has been the democrat that's talked about faith. >> yeah. >> in a different way. when he said it's really not just left versus right, it's a different kind of thing. he's been showing how to do that. >> he's dothe only veteran up there, he's gay, which is totally different, he's, you know, he's a mayor and he comes from the midwest and he's young, he's got the whole generational thing. he's got so many pieces that could really shine. his message on unity is -- this is what democrats want to be bathed in. they want to hear people saying, we're going to come together in the end. >> let's take a quick break. everybody stick around, we'll be right back.
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talked a lot tonight about the candidates going after each other. there was a lot of moments of unity, as well. >> the way beto -- excuse me for saying beto. >> that's all right. beto is good. >> the way he handled what happened in his hometown is meaningful. to see those kids, understand those parents. >> mr. vice president -- >> back here with our political team and their final thoughts. mitch? >> i thought it was a good night. the focus was to beat trump. i think there was a unifying message. i know they got after each other, but not withstanding a couple of moments, everything was in bounds. >> who comes away stronger tonight? >> i think biden and warren came
across stronger. i think they both did well, so, it was harder for everybody else to come up. but everybody on that stage had a pretty good night. >> i think biden, klobuchar, i think she could see a few point bump. i do think beto could see a little bit of a bump and i do think that booker -- booker did what he did last time. he didn't get that much of a bump last time. so, it will be interesting to see whether he gets a bump. and obviously warren was strong. >> let me correct -- i think castro may have actually been right on the facts. people still trying to argue about that, but i think beto really found his gear tonight. kamala has not yet found her gear. chef has those moments. it sputters, it stuffers. you can see the potential there. not there yet. i felt, for some reason, yang is blowing up online, so even though i don't think he had a strong night tonight, he's still killing it online. yang gang. and that's it. >> if any democratic
front-runner could hire the yang gang to be their social media manager, i would highly recommend it. i think elizabeth warren is going to see the most out of tonight s tonight. she got personal and did it really well. i hope we see more of it. >> i would -- i would just say that -- i don't think the race changed much tonight at all. i think the dynamics of the race are pretty much fixed there. i would say, you just played joe biden on beto o'rourke. almost all of his opponents on that stage praised him tonight and that's part of why he had such a good night is because everyone around him was praising him. >> and is he able to jump up. he's never really been consistently part of that top five. >> well, if he does jump up, they won't embrace him as much. >> yeah. >> good point. >> we're going to leave it there. thank you, everybody, appreciate it. >> thank you. >> a lot to talk about, no doubt we'll be talking about this all throughout the evening. want to thank the panel, also to erin burnett and dana bash in houston. our coverage of the third democratic presidential debate
continues now with chris cuomo. chris? >> thank you, anderson. compelling conversations. let's have them continue. i am chris cuomo. welcome to a special late night edition of "cuomo primetime," after this highly anticipated third democratic debate. the top ten democrats came to play. did any of them prove they are the clear choice to beat this president at the polls? does the head of the party see a clear conquerer emerging? mr. tom perez is about to join us. and so are some of the candidates who were on that stage just a short while ago. so, what do you say? let's get after it. well, it looks like the former vp, joe biden, learned from his past debates. the democratic front-runner didn't let anyone walk over him. he didn't worry about time cues too much. and he did make a point to take the game to other candidates. and