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yeah. stay restless, with the icon that does the same. the new rx, crafted by lexus. experience amazing at your lexus dealer. welcome to "unfiltered." here's tonight's headline -- is this the big one? the bombshell revelation that president trump reportedly pressed the ukrainian president to investigate joe biden's son, urging him repeatedly to team up with his personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, to get dirt about a largely debunked republican conspiracy theory is putting outside -- outsized pressure on house democrats to, quote/unquote, do something. and that something, of course, is impeachment. here are just a few of the exasperated calls for congressional democrats to finally pull the trigger on impeachment. attorneys george conway and neil
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katchal in a "washington post" column, "it is high time for congress to do its duty." in slate, democrats who are in an impeachment holding pattern need to act. in "the atlantic," if there isn't impeachable, nothing is. presidential candidate elizabeth warren, "by failing to act, congress is complicit in trump's latest attempt to solicit foreign interference to aid him in u.s. elections. do your constitutional duty and impeach the president." presidential candidates cory booker, julian castro and beto o'rourke making similar calls. we've been here before. with every jaw-dropping unpress denned new low for the administration, the dream beat for impeachment rose louder and louder, but nothing happens. for all the urgency among democrats, nearly two-thirds of house democrats favor impeachment or at least are opening up an official inquiry. public support has barely
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budged. fluctuating between 35% and 38% since the mueller report was released. so is this the straw that breaks congress' back? i'll discuss that with a democratic lawmaker in just a minute. first, you need to know how we got here. okay, here's the timeline of events as we know them. in 2014 the u.s. and european union, including then-vice president joe biden, began urging ukraine's new president to clean up its corruption so that new investment into that country would be more attractive. ukraine's prosecutor general had been investigating a ukrainian energy company where joe biden's son hunter, hunter, sat on the board. that prosecutor general was eventually ousted leave something to wonder if the two were related. one possible hole in the theory, the ousted prosecutor general's successor also took a hard look at the energy company and closed the case in october of 2017,
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never uncovered any wrongdoing by the bidens. here's the deal -- you can choose not to believe the findings of the ukrainian investigation. you can even suspect there might have been more to this, but the president of the united states cannot urge another government to keep digging into the business connections of his political opponent's family in front of an election while, i don't know, threatening implicitly or explicitly to withhold $250 million in military aid. that is what reports are alleging president trump did on a july 25th phone call with president zelensky. trump is denying any wrong doing saying the call was perfectly fine, routine, even beautiful, while also telling reporters someone ought to look into joe biden. that's exactly what the president's attorney said he did. >> did you ask the ukraine to investigate joe biden? >> no. actually, i didn't. the only thing i asked about joe
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biden is to get to the bottom of how it was that lushenko dismissed the case -- >> you did ask ukraine to look into joe biden? >> of course i did. >> what did trump do exactly? is it illegal? is it each impeachable? former fbi special agent author of "crossfire: hurricane inside donald trump's war on the fbi," josh campbell joining us. okay, so the investigation into the ukrainian energy company was conducted and closed. and trump still urged the ukrainian president allegedly to find something on biden. is that in and of itself illegal? >> the question comes down to was this the president trying to get information from a foreign government or getting a foreign government to help with the election. you have to step back and look at this. this isn't any ordinary citizen. this is his potential political opponent, someone who might be on the ticket running against him, and if he is getting a thing of value, quote/unquote, which would include dirt from a
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foreign government, that is illegal. the problem sheer -- and this isn't going to comfort anyone, but looking at the mueller investigation, the just currently holds that you cannot indictsta a sitting president. even if it's a crime under the law it's not going to impact this president. that means it's squarely within the bounds of congress to determine whether or not they are going to impeach him over this. >> so trump tower all over again essentially. so even -- even if we had proof that the president was attaching this military aid to finding this -- if we had proof of that, that's still not -- >> no, i don't think so. again, that's going to frustrate a lot of people. looking at the justice department and how they handled the mueller investigation, the president can essentially do whatever he wants, and they will not go after him legally. again, the question is yet to be seen what will house democrats do, will they actually, you know, there have been so many names to describe what they're doing. a review, impeachment light. we don't know. they're not coming out and saying it forcefully. again, they are the only body that can do something about
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this. and whether we sit here for two more years of investigation or whether they get a move on and try to unearth this information, dislodge from the intelligence community what trouble this whistleblower -- troubled this whistleblower so much to report it, that has yet to be investigated, how forceful they're going to be. >> you would know this -- what's happening at the fbi right now? because like you and me, we watched rudy giuliani on television basically admit, yes, he asked ukraine to investigate joe biden. does someone at the fbi say, oh, i might -- i might look into that? >> that's such a great question. inside the fbi, public corruption investigations can begin with a media report. if an fbi agent looks at a newspaper or on our air and tells -- >> watches chris calm uomo. >> they can launch an investigation. that's why it's important to -- there's the investigation itself which is done by the fbi. the prosecution which is done by the department of justice. the fbi isn't going to say,
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well, we can't indict a president so we're not going to look. they are going to move aggressively to figure out what exactly the there there is and we have to remember rudy giuliani's a private citizen. he has no privilege here as it relates to the justice department's view on a sitting president. and so he could be fair game for investigation. that is the lingering question. are there fbi agents now staring at these facts and determining that this is something that warrants an investigation. if the answer to that is yes, i suspect -- i write about this -- we are going to see a full-on assault, campaign against these institutions. once again, 2.0 going after a president. >> and i want to ask you about the book. first, there's this parallel maybe related storyline involving a whistleblower complaint. we tonight know what's in the complaint. some reports allege it has to do with ukraine. i -- i guess we'll find out hopefully at some point. d&i's withholding the complaint from congress. congress meanwhile is saying we'll protect you if you give us the information. can they do that? >> they can indeed. in fact, under the law, the d&i
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has to provide that information on a whistleblower that meets a threshold of severity, that has to be provided. it's not an option. what we're seeing is obstruction and blocking by the executive branch to get that information to congress. now if that information does get to congress, you know, and i say this and some people might laugh because congress seems to leak like a sieve, but i know having worked in the fbi, having been part of information that was briefed to them, the intelligence community specifically, that information rarely leaks, the intelligence committee. other committees are a different story. but there's information that gets to them, and that's what they're asking for. let us know what this whistleblower was saying, what made this person so alarmed that they decided to come forward and let us investigate it. >> your book "crossfire: hurricane inside trump's war on the fbi," explores how trump has undermined law enforcement, undermined intelligence to shape those institutions in his image to protect and serve him. how damaging will that be? not just today when you've got
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people trying to spin this story as a deep state, you know, affair. but into the future? >> you know, politics, obviously it's a dirty business sometimes when you get into elections. people attack each other all the time. there are winners and losers. the problem that we saw and i write about in the book with the president's campaign of attack against the fbi is he's trying to undermine and destroy credibility in an institution that was investigating him. now i write that this will have real consequences to public safety because if the american people don't believe the fbi, don't believe these agencies that are charged with countering these threats, we are all less safer. nevertheless, the president's labeled this the ukraine witch hunt, saying the whistleblower is a partisan deep state objectrative, the same language we saw in the -- objectrative, the same language in the mueller report, trying to convince us that the agencies are corrupt when those of white house understands how it operates know it's nonsense. >> this book is attached to a cause. >> yes. half of my proceeds are going to something that is not controversial. everything we talked about is a
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little controversial. what i try to do is spotlight this funds in particular. since 9/11, there are fbi agents that continue to die from illnesses that are now manifesting. the fbi agents association has a funds that cares for the -- a fund that cares for the children of fallen agents and sends them to college. half of my proceeds go to the fund. the reader, whether you agree or disagree with the book, whether you decide to buy the book, know that you can help others. >> thanks for coming in. everyone, look out for the book. what happens next? does this strengthen the case for impeachment? well, many democrats think so. >> we need to absolutely right away begin impeachment proceedings. he's got to go. >> there is no way to defend the lack of progress on impeachment especially after what we have just learned about this president. if ever there were a time to impeach and hold the president accountable it is now. >> it's a mistake not to impeach this president. >> depending on what the house finds, he could be impeached.
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i'm not making that judgment now. the house should investigate it. >> well, the bodies are piling up for trump with political casualties in his two-plus years in office. there's still hesitancy with democrats, notably speaker of the house nancy pelosi saying the democrats didn't have the votes. nadler indicated this week that while he personally supports impeachment, it doesn't yet have the will of the american people. all that, though, was before all this. the ukraine news. will this tip the scales? let's ask a member of the house oversight committee. now, congressman, the oversight committee is investigating that temporary withholding of ukraine's military aid. where does that investigation stand? >> we had sent a letter two weeks ago, the state department has refused to give us the documents. the justice department and the white house have been stonewalling. we have asked for a transcript of the president's call with
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president zelensky. we have asked who all was participating in the call. i've been talking to colleagues on the committee, the committee is going to do something very big, early next week. if we don't get the documents that we've asked for. >> what is that? what do you mean something very big? >> well, i don't want to go into the details of that. let me just say that we're going to take very aggressive action. it could be anything from subpoenaing people who were possibly involved in the call to doing everything possible to get the documents that we believe that were out. >> so is -- is what trump is alleged to have said on the phone call, is that bribery in your mind and, therefore, a clearly impeachable offense? >> well, it's clearly an abuse of presidential power. you can't bully a foreign power to try to undermine your political rival. if there is any evidence of that, it's a complete abuse of power -- >> but is it a high crime or
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misdemeanor in your mind? >> yes. if there was -- if there is proof of that it is. it's an abuse of power that would justify impeachment. i can't think of a worse offense than trying to get a foreign power to interfere in an election and bully your political rival or undermine your political rival. >> jerry nadler believes congress needs the support of the american public before moving to impeach. do you? >> i believe we have to do our constitutional duty. we are in impeachment proceedings. we are collecting the evidence. the impeachment is expanding. i will say this -- the speaker, jerry nadler, will have to get the votes in congress, and so while they want to proceeds, they have a tougher task than interest of the president's candidates -- than some of the presidential candidates. they have to get the 218 votes. i think they're being deliberate so when they do bring it they have the votes. >> i want to ask you about that, being deliberate. every day i read about the quote/unquote tensions between pelosi and nadler, that they're
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squabbling. you know, i don't buy it. i don't think anything happens in the house without pelosi as direct sanctioning. so am i really to believe that nadler's gone rogue against pelosi? or isn't he doing exactly what she wants him to do to satisfy democrats who want impeachment while she, you know, sort of steps on the brakes a little? >> well, thank you for pointing that out. you're absolutely right. nothing happens in the house of representatives without speaker pelosi's green light. >> right. >> if she didn't want jerry nadler to start impeachment proceedings, jerry nadler wouldn't be starting impeachment proceedings. >> that's what i thought. >> they are on the same page. they're proceeding. but the reality is this -- look, i've come out for impeachment inquiry, a know a lot of the presidential candidates -- we don't have to get 29 -- 218 votes. if the speaker brings and it fails, that's a problem. she's trying to build the case, i don't think it's as much about
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the public or polling, it's making sure we can make the case with colleagues and more and more people are coming on board. and i think this incident with ukraine may be the straw that breaks the camel's back. >> we will see for sure and have you back to discuss. either way, congressman, thank you so much for joining me. >> thanks for having me on. the president and his supporters are already trying to spin the narrative on this pretty alarming story by, you guessed it, blaming the media. it's worked before. will it work this time? and the president's unique ability to spin conspiracies into gold may be a legitimate problem for joe biden whether he likes that or not. all that and more coming up.
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to put kindly, "the new york times" is having a rough year. there have been a number of controversial and regrettable flubs. earlier this year, publishing an anti-semitic cartoon in its international edition. a columnist's questionable response to a professor who called him a bed bug. caving to twitter mobs to change headlines or add more opinions to their news coverage, then there was the botched brett kavanaugh story.
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none of these discredit the excellent journalists and editors they employ, but they're not helping. with me is cnn's chief media correspondent brian stelzer. i'm not interested in beating up on the "times" gratuitously. for the paper of record, it seems there's been a rash of bad howard county. >> you always -- bad headlines. >> you always need strong editors who are able to see when something's going to embarrass you and your news organization. it seems like -- >> the big picture end -- >> that's right. both on the web and in print, i think sometimes what's happened here is you get the sprawling news organization, not unlike cnn, made up of thousands of people. once in a while there's a bad headline, a bad banner. in the case of "the new york times," the errors are magnified. it matters more because it is the paper of record. it's a place that i worked for more than six years. they put out hundreds of great stories a day. but when there are mistakes made, those mistakes are amplified and do damage more broadly than just "the new york times." then politicians like president trump can use it as ammunition against the media as a whole. so what i hope is happening at the "times" and what i think is
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happening is that kind of conversation about where are the checks and balances, the multiple layers of editing that everybody needs, everybody needs a good editor. >> i want to talk about "the new york times" as a partisan, a conservative, i talk about as someone who also use today to work there. >> right. >> and wants them to do well for the sake of all of journalism. our colleague, oliver darcy, wrote in particular about the flubs in the opinion section. to your point -- and there's been more than what we just outlined over there. james bennett became the opinion editor in 2016. do you think he has some responsibility for these flubs? >> he does. it is his responsibility. i recently asked in an interview with oliver, he declined. i wish he could talk about the issues. one time he said we're putting out incredible work every day. you can't judge us based on these mistakes. however, these mistakes adds up, and they make people wonder about the paper. i think in this twitter age we all live in, we might hate it or love it, it is the age we live
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in, individual screw-ups and embarrassments are taken and blown out of proportion. you have that, and you have to react accordingly. bret stevens has been criticized, rightly so, to overreacting to social media china terry about him. he got -- commentary about him. he got pissed for being called a bed bug. you have to tune out the noise. that's what your readsers deserve. that's what your readers are expecting. >> i bring this up to make a point about the president. yesterday at a press gaggle trump blamed the media for the whits blower story saying, quote, everybody's laughed at it, another media disaster, and the media has lost so much credibility in this country. a couple of things -- virtually no one has reads it because it not been made public or to congress. it's unclear what he means about a media disaster. we didn't invent the phone call with the ukrainian president. and his attorney went on the media with our own chris cuomo
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to corroborate the story. are mistakes in the media helping feed the narrative? >> he's spent the last three years tearing down the press for this moment. for moments like this. >> yes. >> for moments like this. where there is a damning story with possible criminal conduct. she trying to destroy the rep -- he is trying to destroy the reputation of the press for moments like this. it is true, mistakes help him do that. i would point out to the audience at home, there are hundreds of stories produced by "the new york times" day and the "washington post" and -- i made a mistake and was mortified. my editor was behind us. we had a tense conversations about my screw-up, and i learned from it. that's how places work. that's how numerous work every day. you make mistakes and learn from them. president trump uses mistakes to tear down the press. he's doing it in cynical calculation so people won't know what to believe. that's what's disturbing about the whistleblower story, ukraine, people don't know what to believe. they're confused by the story. it's up to all of us to help cut through the fog and explain
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>> donald trump has made clear that he does not respect the rule of law. congress has one responsibility on this, and that is to initiate impeachment proceedings. this is about donald trump and his belief that he is above the law. he is not, and it's up to congress to hold him accountable. >> she's feeling pretty confident about her campaign right now and with good reason. warren is consistentliy polling in second place behind biden and has emerged as the second leading choice candidate. numbers suggest her support is rising among african-american voters. that's a key biden block. in head-to-head matchups she's routinely beating trump now. the latest from fox news has her up by six points. but after the polling surprises, we all saw in recent presidential elections, particularly the 2016 cycle, pollsters warn we may be overindexing warren and under indexing trump.
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here to discuss are strategist maria cardona, republican strategist evan sigfried. maria, the polls are snapshots, and no one poll certainly should tell the story today. >> absolutely. >> but they can also send some warning signals. and warren is climbing. but support for her is softer when it comes to her electability. >> uh-huh. >> she's also relatively weak among white, non-college, working class voters in her own state. >> right. >> which might be a bad omen in important states in the midwest. >> sure. >> is she doing as well as it seems, or should she be monitoring some weaknesses? >> i think she should be monitoring -- looking at the weaknesses. i think she should assume she's not doing as well as the polls. that's always a better place to be than to assume you're doing great and take things for granted. because that is where you're going to get into a lot of trouble. >> right. >> the good thing, it is still very early. you know, one thing you said in the intro i think is critical. she is rising among
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african-american voters. and as you'll recall at the beginning, that's where everybody was saying, oh, she doesn't have any -- >> can't get it. >> she can't get it. look at what she's doing. while they should always take this with a grain of salt and make sure that they are not taking anything for granted, what you do look at is not one poll or two polls but you look at the trend. >> right. >> her trend is exactly what you want to be right now. >> evan, on the other side, trump's polls aren't great. however, his job approval rating this week according to a real clear politics average is just a shade, less than a point, higher than obama's at this time in his presidency. and some pollsters say respondents are still reluctant to admit their support for trump. could he be doing better than his opponents think? >> well, i think some poemsters right now -- pollsters right now are trying to protect themselves. in 2016, nationally they got it right. at the state and local level they got it wrong, didn't see the trump win coming. >> right. >> what i've seen a lot of it in
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2017 he started to go and take the polls, and we look at data from voter registrations and different little elections in the local levels and the statewides. in 2018, the same thing, we saw voter registration surge and polls shaped up and showed what they're showing today. look at the economy. we see people acknowledging overwhelmingly this is a great economy. when you ask are you better off than you were a year ago financially, two-thirds of the american people say they are either the same or worse off. and that's really bad if you're donald trump because it's like -- the economy is like a party that you are hearing about but not invited to. >> maria, i get concerned because i've covered a number of these presidential elections now, and polls can actually move a narrative. >> yeah. >> for those of us covering it. like these are the tools we have. i mean, you know, we have these polls, we use them to tell a story. >> exactly. >> there's not more we can do. but sometimes do you think
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they're driving a story? and they're a little too important -- >> yes. i could not agree with that more. yes, yes, yes, underscore. which is why i think it's important for a campaign to do -- to look at what's going on the ground, in the states that matter, with the voters that they know they have to get. >> tune this out or -- >> not tune it out because it's -- it also doesn't mean that polls are unnecessary. again, they tell a long-term story, right. you want to look at the trends of what polls are talking about. but i think where what happened in 2016 i think we're all kind of still burnt by that, it is still smart for campaigns to look at what they still need to do, to not let the polls drive the narrative. if they feel like they are going in the right direction, i'll use again elizabeth warren as an example. >> early on she seemed to know something that we didn't, right? >> exactly. and not only that, but the people who see her seem to have
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a completely change of mind if they go into it -- >> there's something about -- >> with the narrative that they've heard on television, right. it does turn when you see her in person. and that is a critically important aspect of her campaign. >> evan, before we go, polls can also mean you don't get into the next debate. that seems maybe to have a little outsidist influence on our political process. >> yes, it absolutely does have an influence on it. but also i think the voters have an influence on it, where you can see it at the rallies. you saw it with bill de blasio, there was nobody showing up to his, and he didn't get into the last debate and obviously dropped out. you see cory booker, he is struggling right now. he is in the flex debate, but it's tough. >> you two, stay right there. we'll come back and talk about some other things, shakeups in the democratic field. joe biden, though, says the president is targeting him with false accusations because he knows, quote, he'll beat him like a drum. that's colorful. next. our 18-year-old was in an accident.
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in the red file tonight, an indignant joe biden. he arrived in des moines, iowa, to a swarm of press and supporters and lashed out at the president over the ukraine story. >> trump deserves to be investigated. he is violating every basic norm of a president. you should be asking him the
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question -- why is he on the phone with a foreign leader? trying to intimidate a foreign leader, if that's what happened. that appears what's happened. you should be looking at trump. trump's doing this because he knows i'll beat him like a drum. and as usual the abuse of power and every element of the presidency, trying to do something to smear me. >> that was a lot of pointing in reporters' faces. he is unquestionably angry, but is he also in peril? with me is democratic strategist scott mull howser who deserved as biden's former deputy chief of staff. scott, this story could revitalize biden. i know he's ahead in the polls, but he's suffered from a couple, more than a couple gaffes. he looked like he had that fire again today in iowa. but i think some worry it could also maybe injure him. as one pollster at monmouth university told "politico," he doesn't want to talk about this, his family. your thoughts on how biden
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should handle this new fight with trump. >> i mean, for starters, it's just an awful day, an awful news cycle for the president. and that's -- that -- let's start there. >> yeah. >> just sort of american -- the voters like to pick their president was campaign rallies like the one you saw. and steak fries and the rest. what we've seen is pretty remarkable. i think the president's seen the vice president and a half dozen other candidates beating him in poll after poll, state after state, and it's clearly leaving the president reeling. that's what -- >> i understand. we've talked about the president. i want to talk about biden. >> sure. >> you know biden. how should he, you know, he was angry there. i mean, i was watching that and flinched a couple of times at how aggressively he was pointing his fingers at the press. which is an interesting tactic. >> sure. >> how do you think he should be responding to this? like that, or in a different way? >> sure. i think -- look, i think it's clear, you know, it became personal. i think it's also a statement, i not he's looking at what it says
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about what the president thinks of our democracy and what he thinks about the office and the white house and has clearly decided that enough is enough. and i think for a guy who's ahead in the polls and had a real enduring appeal, there is just sort of further energized him. i think you're seeing it. i think you saw it today, and i think he's fired up and is happy to let the voters and candidly the american public and the world know it. good for him. >> how far do you think he wants to go, though, in this story? you know, some could argue the further he wades into the business angle, the family angle, could open some other doors that he probably doesn't want to open. >> that's fair. it's probably not his favorite topic to talk about. it put him on the stage with the president one on one. it not only takes the other candidates out of the equation for the news cycle and clearly the days to come, but it also shows the president's worried about him more than a year out. >> good point. >> yeah. i think the headlines become, you know, the two of them back and forth.
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and it -- it elevates -- it further elevates the vice president and makes it sort of a tete-a-tete contest. and that puts them on the same stage and leaves the others behind. >> yeah. for those of us who hate hoe divisive politics has gotten, biden's overtures to republicans, even republicans who are no longer in office, you know, may sound good to some of us. but it's been considered downright treasonous to some progressives. do you think biden gets where the party, his party, is at right now? >> so it's actually fascinating. our firm bully pulpit has a campaign tracker that tracks every single dollar on line and where they're spent and how they're spent. and what's remarkable is across -- candidacies across demographic groups, candidates are looking at voters the same way. they're spending to try to hit traditional democratic constituents, in particular female voters in their 40s, 50s, and 60s. you know, he may rhetorically or be perceived in a different way, but the dollars and where the
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campaigns are actually going is actually remarkably similar across campaigning and across candidacy, which i think is pretty fascinating. >> it is. former deputy chief of staff to vice president biden, scott mullhowser. you've got to come back and join us again. thank you so much. >> thanks. just over an hour from now, we'll have the latest members from iowa. for some, that's good news. for others, the writing may be on the wall. stick around. kim is now demonstrating her congestion.
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the most personal technology is technology with the power to change your life. so goes iowa, so goes the nation? not urgely. since 1996 only three candidates who won the iowa caucus on either side of the aisle went on to win the presidency. jimmy carter, george w. bush, and barack obama. but many more who have won the first in the nation caucus have gone on to win their nominations. so how important is it depends on who you're talking about. my panelists back with me,
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democratic strategist maria cardona, evan sigfried, republican strategist. the candidates have spent enormous amounts of money on iowa. cory booker and kamala harris have among the largest staffs in iowa. just there week, a reporter overheard kamala harris say i am effing moving to iowa in october. how important is that state for kamala harris? >> i think for her, it's very important. and i think the importance depends on where you are in your campaign vis-a-vis your other competitors as you go into iowa, right. if you are one of the top-tier candidates, perhaps iowa isn't that important because you have other options. you have other paths, right. if you are at the bottom and you don't make a showing in iowa, then pretty much a lot of people are going to assume that's the end of your campaign. >> she'll have south carolina -- >> yes, she will. >> where she could do well. >> correct. >> okay. >> but i think if she doesn't
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show in iowa, her -- the reason for her going into south carolina, people are going to say, well, maybe not so much. >> evan, does elizabeth warren need a good showing in iowa? because as i see it she likely won't win new hampshire. she's not polling very well there. or south carolina. i think it's a long shot for her. so isn't that kind of an important spot for her? >> well, warren's banking on a strong showing in iowa. hopefully something with the bleedover from massachusetts into new hampshire because -- >> no -- >> and then to go into nevada and really go out full force. she has been organizing on the ground there in a way that is very impressive. and i think she really is -- we say it's a three-person race. i think now the top tier isn't bernie sanders, i think he's below that. it's joe biden. >> hillary clinton narrowly defeated bernie sanders in iowa.
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49.8 to 49.6. that means he almost won the iowa caucus. can he win big there again this time? will voters want to give him that sort of take-home trophy? >> clear that's what he's looking for. clearly in terms. trends he's not trending in the right way. what we're seeing is that elizabeth warren is actually the one who's taking a lot of the support from where his voters were before. she's the one who's really speaking and mobilizing them the way that he should be. so you know, yeah, he should be one to have a top showing in iowa. but he very well may not. that's not going to bode well for his campaign. >> to the point, if you're polling very well, if you're the front-runner like joe biden, maybe you don't have to win iowa. is that what he's banking, iowa maybe matters but there will be other opportunities for him? >> joe biden has said his firewall with south carolina because of his strength with african-americans voters. we've seen elizabeth warren starting to peel away a little bit. if warren peels acertain percentage away from joe biden, does well in iowa, maybe has an
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okay showing in new hampshire and then does well in nevada, she is going to be the presumptive nominee. >> stay right there. we will be back with more questions for my panel on the other side. ♪ spending time together, sometimes means doing nothing at all. holiday inn. we're there. so you can be too. our because of smoking.ital. but we still had to have a cigarette.
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