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>> excellent by reporting by usaa took care of her car rental, you, nima. that my daughter was ok. thank you very much. if i met another veteran, and they were with another insurance company, ni nima elbaguer reporting from i would tell them, and better service. london. we're the gomez family... i'm wolf blitzer in "the we're the rivera family... situation room." we're the kirby family, and we are usaa members for life. erin burnett "out front" starts get your auto insurance quote today. right now. out front next, mayhem. republicans storming an impeachment deposition with trump's blessing, delaying the ton joe bide within a big witness for hours. one person in the room calling lead. a new cnn poll shows biden it civil unrefrt. is that the new white house leading the democratic primary strategy? plus breaking news, a source race by the biggest margin since telling cnn ukraine's president feeling pressure to investigate april. so he dropped and now surging biden before he was sworn in and topping with 34% followed by joe biden with a big lead in the elizabeth warren and bernie polls tonight. let's go out front. sanders. good evening. i'm erin burnett. it's a 10-point jump on the back "out front" tonight, chaos. of last month. a boost comes from conservative and moderate democrats, the the impeachment investigation descending into a circus after group that south bend mayor, roughly two dozen of trump's clossest allies forced their way pete buttigieg tied for fourth into the secure hearing room is dpritly trying to make where laura cooper was about to inroading to show himself as the tlern toef biden.
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testify in the ukraine vanessa is outfront. impeachment hearings. >> thank you. this is video as the republican >> mayor pete buttigieg is in stunt was about to take place. sources telling cnn that the nevada desert riding high president trump knew about this, after the last debate. >> were you able to catch the knew that it was going to go down and the lawmakers walked in debate last week by any chance. there and we understand it was, [ cheers and applause ] well, sources tell us they were >> okay. good. screaming in each other's faces did i do okay? adding, quote, it was the [ cheers and applause ] >> buttigieg striking a more closest i've seen around here to mass civil unrest as a member of aggressive tone on the heels of last week's cnn "new york times" congress. well, this type of behavior is debate. >> i think it's helped us reach not something that we see in the united states. the next level. >> where he called out elizabeth no, it is what sometimes we see in other countries that don't warren over how she would pay have the strong institutions that we have here, countries for the medicare for all plan. >> we heard it tonight a yes or like ukraine, which is at the no question without a yes or no center of the impeachment answer. your signature is is to have a investigation, yelling, fingers plan for everything, except this in people's faces. >> after raking in a million stuff that, you know, like to dollars in the 24 hours scoff at or laugh at. following the debate, adding to well, that seems to be what this his sizable war chest, buttigieg impeachment investigation is is doubling down on the campaign coming down to now that the president's own top diplomat in trail. including here in las vegas. ukraine bill taylor detailed a >> will taxes go up with your medicare for all who want it yes quid pro quo telling lawmakers or no. >> good question because not he was told trump would withhold everybody has been answering crucial military aid to ukraine this question. until the country lafrned an >> butting is seeking to draw
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investigation into biden and the contrast was his more 2016 election. progressive rivals, touting his testimony so damaging that trump is resorting to smears, tweeting vision for health care, medicare for all who want it as a less never -- trump republican disruptive approach. >> it's a very important difference between me and representing never trumper senator warren and some of the democrat bill taylor who i don't others. and we will continue making sure know in testimony before we have made that clear. congress. one thing to say loud in clear >> yet zpliet the strong on the back of that tweet is performance, a new poll shows whatever taylor's politics may or may not be, he was hand buttigieg holding steady at 6%. picked by trump's secretary of behind joe biden, warren and state mike pompeo. he has served in government for bernie sanders. 30 years under all presidents of knows watching the debate, beginning with robert reagan and 21% said buttigieg did the best. was ambassador by george bush, trailing only warren. and to slam him as a liar is here is one of them. just wrong and another thing, >> i'm all in for pete. trump is now slamming the >> when did you decide that? investigation is unfair. >> the last debate. here's that part. >> and what was it about the do-nothing democrats allowed last debate that sold you? republicans zero reasoning, zero due process and zero >> he was tough in a nice transparency. does anybody think this is fair? respectful manner. >> but matt defalk o a fellow well, if he's going to put that out, his tens of millions of followers it's also important to say loudly and clearly that is how the impeachment process works. felt he was fo combative.
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it is not a court of law and by >> i don't need lessons from you the way, there is republican on political or courage. representation in those hearings. every republican on the committee can be there and ask question, same with the >> it felt i felt -- we know democrats. they have equal time to question witnesses. mayor pete and we have a ton of so if that is unfair, okay? respect for him. but that didn't feel like either. if, well, it was certainly quite >> are you concerned this this fair when republicans were in new phone is going to alienate charge. flashback to 2015. potential voters. >> as we have seen the debates trey gowdy, remember him? former chairman who was helped grow support for the investigating benghazi, he said, campaign. and it's still me but sometime non-committee members are not you have to point out allowed in the room during the deposition. differences. i believe in kindness but those are the rules and we have sometimes need to make sure to follow them. no exceptions made. nobody confuses kindness for he was right then. they are right now. weakness. >> this new more aggressive no exceptions, and tonight as the future of trump's presidency approach is something the mayor says he plans to continue on the is at stake, trump is now slamming republicans, hitting campaign trail in order to them really hard because he differentiate himself from the other candidates. now from here in nevada, he is thinks they are not protecting him. >> they don't have a mitt romney heading to two more early voting in their midst. they don't have the mitt romneys of the world. states, new hampshire and south they stick together better than carolina where he are push the the republicans. medicare for all plan for all we have to stick together! who want it and then continue we have to stick together! >> manu raju is out front live the message trying to capitalize on momentum from the debate.
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on capitol hill. manu, what are you learning >> thank you vanessa, very much. about what cooper said when the and next don't forget the deposition actually got started many hours later due to the pepperoni. we try to find a humors side to things. they took the time here to order frickas. what did she say? >> after five hours' delay, she ultimately did testify behind closed doors for three and a dominos. half hours which is much shorter than other witnesses, but we have learned from people who attended this deposition that she gave a detailed and technical readout about how foreign aid has been dispersed and how it typically happens and lawmakers came away how the ukraine aid was dealt with and how it was deviated from that normal process. this, of course, comes in the aftermath of that riveting testimony from yesterday in which the top diplomat in ukraine bill taylor raised serious concerns that the ukrai ukraine aid had been stalled until the ukrainians announced
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the investigations into the bidens in 2016 campaign. when they stormed the proceedings, democrats said this was an effort to distract away from the headline that was generated throughout the day in that closed-door deposition that was about to take place in the morning. i am told that a republican congressman bradley burn got in the face of adam schiff and yelled at him as did louis golmert screaming about the process. there was one democratic pushback one from val demings by a republican saying that they wanted to be this kind of role model for their children and on it went for some time as republicans refused to leave the room. after five hours they did and even so, some republicans here's the thing about managing multiple clouds brought their electronics into a for your business. secure area which is not allowed when you've got public clouds, and some republicans said they didn't know the procedures, and and private clouds, and hybrid clouds- nevertheless adam schiff came out and he was asked if he was things can get a bit cloudy for you. concerned if the facility of the but now, there's the dell technologies cloud, secure facility had been compromised in any way and he
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said yes. he is concerned. he did not elaborate in any way, powered by vmware. but he contended this was all an a single hub for a consistent operating experience effort to scare other witnesses and intimidate other witnesses across all your clouds. that should clear things up. to not come forward in this impeachment probe. >> i want to talk to someone who goldi knows to never compromise. was also there when the republicans stormed in and was too shabby! also there when assistant secretary lara cooper was able too much! to give herr deposition after too perfect! five hours. congressman eric swallow sits on i can rent this? for that price? the house judiciary committees. absolutely. i appreciate your time. what is this, some kind of fairy tale? i want to start first with -- with the news here in the actual it's just right! book your just right rental at thrifty.com. investigation after the five hours. you finally did get to hear from oh! baby bear! laura cooper. she stayed. she gave her testimony. you were able to depose her. did you learn anything new, congressman? >> good evening, erin. yes, we did, and i can characterize it this way. all of the arrows continue to point in one direction which is that this shakedown scheme from the very top ordered by the
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president was well under way this summer. we've not seen an arrow pointing in any other direction, and i do want to thank miss cooper and i know my colleagues do, as well, for enduring this chaotic scene today and still sticking around. she had a lawyer that was a paid to the wait did frowe just win-ners. prouders out of her pocket who she everyone uses their phone differently. probably didn't expect to have to be there for five extra hour, that's why xfinity mobile let's you design but she is a good, public, your own data. now you can share it between lines. mix with unlimited, and switch it up at anytime non-partisan civil servant who so you only pay for what you need. waited around and provided it's a different kind of wireless network designed to save you money. truthful testimony. >> you heard manu explain how save up to $400 a year on your wireless bill. the technical process of how plus get $250 back when you buy an eligible phone. military aid would be dispersed and was able to lay out how in call, click, or visit a store today. this case it deviated from the norm. how important was her testimony to your case for impeachment. her testimony specifically. what i can say, erin is that we know that the president wanted from the ukrainians two things. for them to investigate the 2016 election and exonerate russia and to investigate his upcoming
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2020 opponent and vice president biden, and if they did that they get a white house meeting and the security assistance they needed. miss cooper was a part of the decision making process and was a witness to what others were doing around the security assistance. i will say this, we have plenty of evidence and you saw in the statement that was put in the washington post yesterday from ambassador taylor that the here is jeanne. assistance was tied to the president'sands for >> while accusing democrats of. investigations and miss cooper was a relevant witness today in >> of weird theatrical that regard. >> all right. performance. >> the republicans put on one of obviously which could be their own, storming the secure significant and now i want to get to the five hours' time that room used for impeachment was wasted today. you were inside that secure room proceedings and then ordering when republicans stormed in and pizza. >> i understand that they brought pizza and chick filet. held the deposition up for hours. how would you describe it? >> skeeve scalise ordered pizza we understand there was -- the for the presses. >> the news trickling out in reporting is that we have, was there people yelling in faces, treats. ordering pizza for themselves was there screaming. is that accurate? and the press. >> side note they sent us >> i saw in these desperate times for this president and his
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defenders in congress, they took dominos and got themds we the pizza, arguably the best in d.c. major ethical dilemma facing desperate, distractionary measures. it didn't work. hungry reporters right now, read i think it was unfortunate, and one media tweet prompting the i just sat down, the witness was sitting across from me at the reply, dominos is not ethical table. you had about 50 members of dilemma it's like 5.99. congress already in the room ready for this hearing and then did the press flock to it like i saw the witness abruptly get up and leave and then in comes new york city pigeons. let's see who touches it. all these members who are not on the committee. one touched it we're not sure they're got their electronics who. >> this is woman is all of us out, they're shouting and screaming and this woman, you right now. the y'all, i have become a meme. know, she works for the federal government and just keeps her i'm dead. head down and wants to do her actually she is the press secretary for one of the job is defying orders from the white house to not participate republican occupiers. a departing democrat describe and this is what she's subjected the scene inside the scif. to, but we're not going to let it deter us. >> a bunch of freedom caucus we moved forward. members having pizza around a the chairman is determined to get this done fairly and also conference table pretending to swiftly and they can continue be brave. >> the politic ieszing of pizza even included impeachment jokes. the high hijinks. republican mark meadows walked out and said, off the record, in pizza is for you. there is no quid pro quo.
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they violated the rules. you can eat it. is there any repercussion for intd of angry republicans that? >> i'll leave it to the speaker and the chairman to decide that, demanding a more open but if their goal today was to impeachment process. >> show your face. obstruct and delay the >> stuff your face was the order proceedings, it didn't work. clearly, this was sanctioned by the president who met with many of the day. jeannecnn, new york. of them yesterday and told them to go fight harder and this is an overall consciousness of >> anderson starts now. guilt. this is what guilty people do. the president tells them to fight harder because he has a good evening, we begin the guilty conscience. program last night saying that he's confessed, mick mulvaney yesterday could prove to be one has co-signed that confession. of the most consequential days in donald trump as presidency. they don't want to be a part of the process and what was today could prove to be one of interesting today, i'll just say this. the weirdest because the day the people when stuck around for after the diplomat and five hours in that room and held that room, they were in that room longer than the overwhelming decades long public servant laid out the ukraine quid pro quo to majority of members on the house impeachment committee republican side who are supposed to be in that room during these members about two dozen hearings. they show up and complain about conservative republican lawmakers decided to engage in a the process and they bounce publicly stunt storming the scif period. where a senior pentagon official >> were there any republicans that stay in and listen to this? >> yes, there are, and the deputy assistant second laura cooper was about to testify to overwhelming majority of those that come in leave. >> all right. republican and democratic
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and just one other question, the lawmakers some held up phones ones who stay, are they asking questions putting in the time and the thought and the effort? are you getting that feeling from your republican colleagues on the committee who are allowed to be there who get the same time you get to ask questions? >> i am seeing these cockamamie conspiratorial questions that believe that ukraine was involved in the election interference rather than russia, and i credit francis rooney, a republican who was asking the right questions publicly on television about what he's seen. i'd like to see people like him who are visibly concerned by what's going on. i would like to see them have an opportunity to ask fair questions of these witnesses. >> thank you very much, congressman swallow. i appreciate your time. next, i have breaking news. it undercuts a key part of trump's defense. sources say ukraine's president was feeling pressure to investigate biden before he was even sworn in. plus one top republican telling cnn he did not like what he heard after damning impeachment testimony so what are other
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breaking news. ukrainian president zelensky and his team felt they were being pressured by the trump administration two weeks before zelensky was even being sworn in. a source telling cnn the pressure was from both the trump administration and from trump's own personal lawyer rudy giuliani and the pressure was to launch public investigation into corruption cases including into the company joe biden's son hunter was sitting on the board of burisma. this contradicts both trump and
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zelensky who pressure. renee marsh is out front. what else are your sources telling you in this is extremely significant and this is before he's president of ukraine he's made aware that there is pressure from trump for an investigation into biden. >> that's right, erin. as the source describes it to cnn zelensky felt this pressure so much so that this meeting was convened and the people within this meeting spent some three hours talking about essentially how to handle the president and his personal attorney's push for investigations into corruption including burisma. the source says even those early weeks zelensky and his team they realized that ukraine's relationship with the u.s. and a potential face to face with president trump could be at stake if they didn't essentially support the continuation of investigations into corruption and again, specifically burisma.
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zelensky, we should point out, he wanted to know just how to handle this pressure and that was the purpose of -- of this meeting and why it went on so long because he wanted advice essentially on how to navigate both the president's demands as well as rudy giuliani's demands. again, the president spoke for the first time with him when he won on april 21st, and again, we know that the readout of that call was that the president mentioned rooting out corruption and as my source puts it, everyone knew at that point what corruption was synonymous with. >> right. the corruption code word for biden and the 2016 election. okay. thank you very much, rene. obviously, look, another significant development. they all have, of course, supported the exact same set of facts which is this quid pro quo. out front now david axelrod, senior adviser to president
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obama and is the host of "the axe files" on cnn, laura coates and john dean, former counsel for president nixon and nia malika henderson. john, let me start with you. so this new reporting rene is saying that the ukrainian president then incoming was so concerned about pressure from the trump administration and rudy giuliani to investigate biden and you know, they understood what corruption investigation was shorthand for that they called this meeting. what does this tell you? >> well, it confirms my instinct when trump repeated in that personal meeting at the u.n. between zelensky and trump and he said he wasn't pushed and trump made the point and said he wasn't pressured. that, to me, sort of signaled that he had been pressured and that's what trump does. he sort of signals his activities and he repeats the words, and now we're getting the reporting. so this is really not totally surprising, but very important.
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>> david? >> this is kind of a torpedo to one of their many arguments here in the last 24 hours in reaction to ambassador taylor's testimony, the argument has been really can't be a quid pro quo unless the ukrainians knew that, you know, that this -- this funding was being held up, if they knew, you know, and you know, what's very clear is they knew for a long time what the president wanted. they -- they were aware, as we've seen in other reporting that this aid was being held up, and it doesn't take a genius to put all these pieces together. they were being pressured and they were being -- and this aid was being used as leverage, and there really isn't a good answer to this for the president which is why we see the kind of activities that we saw today. >> it's interesting, because laura, john points out that the president kept saying, oh, i didn't pressure and he's the one that brought that up originally,
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perhaps signaling. he did it -- i counted three times, we found one of them, here he is. >> there was no pressure put on him. this is a scam. this is one of the greatest scams. >> obviously, laura, this reporting shows that that factually was untrue. >> also, remember, bill taylor's own statement suggests that they were trying to put words and feed words and dialogues and sound bites into the mouths of president zelensky in the event he were to go on camera and support exactly this corruption and talk about the investigation. so you do see a pattern here and remember, it is not about it was a successful high crime or misdemeanor or a successful action or that it was a complete meeting of the minds. the impeachment process is very different and it would have to be beyond a reasonable doubt. it's about the subjective intention of the person doing it and if you endeavor to solicit
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this sort of activity, if youen dovor to do so. you have to have the precise scomplj here is a quid pro quo, and the reason he felt pressured for the leverage we already spoke about. >> you bring up the whole point about high crimes and misdemeanors, what the president says he can and can't do abuse of power. ni nia, the bottom line for the president politically here is what david said, it doesn't take a genius. all of the facts are saying the same thing, and it is very clear. the question is how long that people who want to keep their heads in the sand, keep their heads in the sand? >> house republicans are one thing and we saw what they did with the storming of the behind closed doors deposition, but you are hearing different things from the senate, right? mitch mcconnell was asked if he had said to the president that the phone call was perfectly
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fine, and he said no, he hadn't talked to the president and certainly didn't say that the phone call was fine. you see other folks like john thune saying that bill taylor testimony, you know, it wasn't good for this president. we've singled out someone like mitt romney who has been very vocal on this, but listen, i think from the senators so far, the gop senators there hasn't been an effusive defense of this president, right? the process is going on, and house republicans are doing what they're doing and if you're president you are worried and that's why he's taking to twitter, really, displaying this fear whether or not these folks on the senate side and republicans will have his back throughout his thing. >> an impeach of power it's an art and a decision. >> the former acting attorney general for president trump matt
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whitaker. i want you to hear how he defended it. okay, here he is. >> i'm a former prosecutor and what i know is this is a perfect time for a preliminary hearing where you would say show us your evidence. what evidence of a crime do you have? i mean, the constitution -- sort of abuse of power is not a crime. let's fundamentally blew it down. the constitution's very clear that this has to be some pretty egregious behavior. >> yeah. so his defense is abuse of power is not -- okay, abuse of power, but what's your problem? >> that may be why he's not the attorney general anymore. he's not a very effective defender of the president, but look, you know, i think what you're seeing is the president's strategy and he exhorted these congressional members to be more combative is to try and partisanize this debate to the point that it is impossible for republicans to stray from him. he was hitting the never trump
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republicans today very hard in his twitter account. he wants to lock republicans in and keep them from straying regardless of the facts. >> and you know what's interesting, john, on this issue of abuse of power and whitaker's defense is the crime and accepting the predicate which has occurred and i don't say this to be funny, but it makes you fimg are things, that the law would not apply to, for example, when he said he can shoot someone and get away from this. >> what's your view on the fifth avenue example. local authorities couldn't investigate and do anything about it? >> i think once a president is removed from office any local authority. this is not a permanent immunity. >> i'm talking about while in office. >> no. nothing could be done. that's your position. >> that is correct. >> so that's one of the president's attorneys, taking that point when he said i can
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walk down fifth avenue and shoot something and saying actually he could and he would be immune. >> not true. it's a policy. it's a policy decision by the department of justice. it was originally written because they wanted po prosecute agnew when he said he could only be impeached and they said no, mr. vice president, you can be indicted and it's the president that can be indicted. in 2000 it was repeated as good policy, but not law. it's never been tested in court. >> all of you please stay with me. next, the president is now ca calling members of his own party human scum. someone just spoke out about it and joe biden with a 10-point jump in a new poll. why? fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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new tonight, president trump slamming republicans willing to speak out against him claiming they are, quote, human scum. not only tweeting it, but pinning his tweet at the top of his twitter page. the never trumper republicans are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our country than the do-nothing democrats. watch out for them. they are human scum. the tweet coming hours after the second most powerful republican in the senate john thune said this about the testimony of top u.s. diplomat to ukraine bill taylor. i quote john thune. the picture coming out of it based on the the reporting that we've seen, i would say is not a good one. everyone is back with me. nia, senator thune is the number two republican in the senate. he can keep his mouth quiet on
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this, but he chose to say what he chose to say. how significant is it that he said it publicly? >> it's significant. if you're the president you are watching this unfold on tv, right? and he looks at tv and he doesn't see any of the major folks in the senate coming out and offer full-throated defense of him, right? so that is worrisome to this president because he's got to keep all of those folks in line. listen, it's one thing to be able to keep folks that come to his rally in line, right? and be able to come up with an applause line that suits those folks, but listen, mitch mcconnell matters. john thune matters. mitt romney matters, lisa murkowski, a lot of these folks, you know, who you're looking at to see what their response is so far. a lot of them haven't necessarily said anything public. mitt romney, of course, has and lisa murkowski wasn't too pleased with what mick mulvaney said last week essentially saying there was a quid pro quo. the president is nervous and
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afraid. is he going to be able to keep the red wall in the senate together or are there going to be cracks which could spell a tough situation for him. >> senator thune is now questioning the president on ukraine and i think it's safe to shorthand it that way because he said what he said publicly, okay? as nia mentioned, the majority leader mitch mcconnell said, my call with ukraine was perfect and mitch mcconnell said i don't know what he's talking about. go ask him. doesn't back it. adam kensinger came on and he took the president on about this calling republicans human scum. here's what he said. >> i mean, it's a call anybody human scum is beneath the office of the presidency, right? you have different standards and it's not because i think the democrats have never committed any verbal sins or i haven't ever committed a verbal sin, but once you're the president of the united states your words have a massive impact. >> yeah. well, he's certainly right. we're saying things on tv we've
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never imagined -- >> i sort of watched that dumbfounded. >> actually that really does matter in terms of the course of our politics and our country, but leaving that aside, let me just offer you a reality check. cnn had a poll the other day. donald trump had a 90% approval rating among republicans. if there is a trial in the senate, republican members of the senate will have to stand up in a public forum and say they're voting to remove the president of the united states. we are a long way from here to there because mitch mcconnell is up for re-election this year in kentucky and i, you know, i'd like to believe that they'll judge the evidence and make the decisions they think are best for the country, but the reality of politics is they're going to be -- >> yeah. >> the republican party is in his throng and what he's trying to do is send a strong message that i'm coming right after you if you don't stand with me. >> right. we can say, oh, what is it?
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26%, 27% of the country self-identify republican and it is those republicans that put those senators into their seats. you've seen an impeachment show before. you hear the caution coming from david, but is this how it starts? a party that will turn on its president? >> it happens very slowly and never totally. with nixon, only until he released his smoking gun tape confessed he'd obstructed justice did the last of the republican party that was objecting to that move over and support that after he'd left. some republicans never left his side. the other two articles never voted for them. so -- >> it was enough. it was enough to get the outcome. they also got defeated, too. >> and it resulted in a turnover. >> you need 20 republicans to vote to remove the president of the united states. there are a lot of bricks in that red wall that nia referred to before and it's going to take a lot for those bricks to fall.
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>> so laura, on that point as the president accuses republicans that call out his ukraine actions to call out human scum, he contrasts them with democrats which apparently are less scum. here he is. >> you know, they're vicious and they stick together, but they're lousy politicians. they stick together and they don't have a mitt romney in their midst. >> laura, obviously, that's sort of what he tweeted yesterday. they're vicious, but they stick together and calling out mitt romney specifically. he's doubling down on this and slamming republicans. he thinks he can get them in line through fear. >> i think he's doing that because, of course, it helps him in his quest on a political way in terms of an impeachment not a criminal proceeding and a political decision to say listen, they are not, the democrats in the house are not acting out of conscience or a constitutional directive, and they're acting on a partisan
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line. as long as they can have a mob mentality and be considered what they're doing then he issing r furthering his own narrative and there are objective ways of saying that he has, in fact, done what he has said he did and mick mulvaney is one person who is well and he actually did his thing and is he part of the human scum to say he admitted and retract it later on and the notion of being human scum if you are simply trying to follow what the founding markets have sa said that is your duty for the abuse of power in this fashion, he's saying all who follow the constitution are not only not patriotic and not doing their duty and somehow they should be vilified and that contradicted his platform to be a law and order president. >> it would certainly seem like that. on that note, thank you all. next, president trump is taking credit for solving, he says, of course, the crisis he created.
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today is the chaos as the impeachment inquiry was unfolding, president trump took credit for pulling troops out of syria, credit, addressing one of the major concerns which is that isis fighters in syria have escaped from prisons and camps where they were being held. so here's what the president says. >> there were a few that got out, a small number, relatively speaking, and they've been largely recaptured. >> okay. so you heard him, right? they've been largely recaptured and there were only a few who got out. unfortunately, it's not true. his own special envoy for syria and the global coalition to defeat isis an hour before the president said that said the exact opposite thing about the escaped isis fighters. >> we would say that the number
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is now over a hundred. we do not know where they are. >> so who do you believe, the president, relatively few and they've been largely recaptured or the guy in charge it's been largely 100 and we don't know where they are? out front, bob baer worked as an operative in and around syria. i'm pretty stunned, bob, to hear this is just ridiculous. it's completely the opposite thing. does the president not know the truth? did he just lie? >> oh, erin, i think he's long ago left the fact-based world. i mean, i don't know what happens to somebody his age, by the way, i know jim jeffrey and the man's brilliant and he doesn't make things up and if he says a hundred are gone of probably high-value isis members he's right and that's not to mention pulling our troops out. we don't know where the rest are. the kurds at this point are so
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did dispirited, we've been fighting them for four or five years. lost tens of thousands of people and you just picked up and left, you know. anything can happen. this situation is so fluid it's impossible to predict where it's going to go. >> so the president, you know, he just says what he wants people to believe, right? so ever since the cease-fire deal was announced, bob, he says that it's a wonderful thing and it's a huge victory and here's just a couple of the times. >> we've done something that's very, very special. >> we have a lot of good things going over there and they're going very well. >> it's an incredible outcome. we've gotten everything we could have ever dreamed of. it's really a great day for civilization. >> i mean, okay. so then here is again, the ambassador james jeffrey. here is what he had to say about the troop pullout. >> we obviously, had troops
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there for a mission. the mission was defeating isis, so if you remove those troops before that mission is complete then you have a problem. and we do have a problem right now. >> okay. so he says the mission wasn't complete and we have a problem. the president of the united states said we got everything we could have dreamed of and it's a great day for civilization. it's an incredible outcome. it's very, very special. >> well, erin, this is the worst sort of gaslighting from the oval office. first of all, we gave away part of an arab country to turkey and effectively iran and russia. we left our tail between our legs. we gave up our bases. the kurds go from allies to throwing potatoes at our troops and that's not to mention demoralizing the american military. we've had guys there and girls dying in the last couple of years for this objective and to abandon the kurds like this is an act of betrayal that's never
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occurred in my memory and probably most people's memory. >> all right. thank you very much, bob baer. next, joe biden has just had a very big boost in two new polls, why? what is behind that jump and republicans storming that closed-door meeting today. they took a moment to order domino's. ou're ready for what comes next. at fidelity, we make sure you have a clear plan to cover the essentials in retirement, as well as all the things you want to do. and on the way, you'll get timely investment help to keep you on the right track, without the unnecessary fees you might expect from so many financial firms. because when you have a partner who gives you clarity at every step, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward.
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