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dramatically rip up his speech. the u.s. intelligence community issued a warning that russian interference in the 2016 election was in part an attempt to sew political dissent. perhaps president putin is thinking to himself, mission accomplished. erin burnett out front starts right now. up front next, senator mitt romney taking a courageous stand, voting to convict president trump and the president has just responded. the iowa democratic party forced to make a correction after releasing new caucus results? yeah, what's going on? and michael bloomberg gets a huge endorsement. let's go "out front." good afternoon. i'm erin burnett. romney's courageous stand making american history. trump got his expected acquittal vote during the impeachment trial, there was a big surprise, a republican dissent, a senator
voting to remove a president of his own party. bipartisan vote on the vote today. every democrat plus a republican, mitt romney, voting to convict president donald trump on the first article of impeachment, abuse of power. it was a moment in history and a monumental decision for romney. >> i am profoundly religious. my faith is at the heart of who i am. i take an oath before god as enormously consequential. i knew from the outset that being tasked with judging the president, the leader of my own party, would be the most difficult decision i have ever faced. i was not wrong. the president asked a foreign
government to investigate his political rival. the president when would vital military funds from that government to pressure them to do so. the president delayed funds for an american ally at war with russian invaders. the president's purpose was personal and political. accordingly, the president is guilty of an appalling abuse of public trust. what he did was not perfect. no, it was a flagrant assault on our electoral rights, national security and fundamental values. corrupting an election to keep oneself in office is perhaps the most abusive and destructive violation of one's oath of office that i can imagine. >> and romney is not afraid of what will come, right? trump's inevitable ire.
>> talk about the consequences. you realize this is war? donald trump will never forgive you for this? >> there's a hymn that is a song in my church, old protestant hymn that is "do what is right. let the consequence follow." i know in my heart i'm doing what's right. >> romney saying what trump did was wrong and he is proving, he is proving that he is willing to pay any political price for standing up for what he believes is right. it is a different message than other republicans, some of whom criticized trump for his actions, but ultimately did not join romney in that defining moment. one way that they justified their votes to acquit, despite saying what trump did was wrong, was this. >> are you confident that the president is simply not going to ask another foreign power to investigate a political rival again? >> yes, i think there are lessons that everybody can learn
from it. >> i think the message has been delivered. >> i believe that the president has learned from this case. >> what do you believe the president has learned? >> the president has been impeached. that's a pretty big lesson. >> so, has trump learned? according to "the washington post," he was asked specifically about senator collins' comments you heard there, he was asked by reporters behind closed doors and president trump's response reportedly, quote, it was a perfect call. something he has said to cameras 20 times since he was impeached by the house. 20 times. if trump learned a pretty big lesson, it's that almost all republican senators will back him, no matter what. except for one. kaitlin collins is "out front" at the white house. kaitlan, the president is already making it known how he feels about mitt romney. >> he is tweeting tonight, erin, tweeting a video out where a boy
says mitt romney has been posing as a republican, which is pretty striking, given that mitt romney was once the republican nominee for president and it also claims he tried to infiltrate the president's administration, likely a reference to -- remember that interview that donald trump did with mitt romney for the secretary of state job, of course a job that mitt romney did not end up getting? but at the time the president said he was ready to put the beef that they had between them behind them. now, of course, there's a whole new tension between the two of them, after he did vote to convict on that first article of impeachment today, which is not how the white house wanted that outcome to be. they were confident it was going to be an acquittal vote but they wanted to be able to say it was bipa bipartisan. they've been confident throughout the week that one of those red state democrats was going to cross the line and vote with them, vote to acquit the president. though, of course, none of them did today and mitt romney did end up voting yes on that first article of impeachment. the question now going forward is what are the repercussions
going to be? how is the president going to respond? several people we spoke to said they do not think this tweet that the president sent out a few moments ago is going to be the last of it. it also puts the chair of the republican national committee in an awkward position, given that she is mitt romney's niece but is also close to the president and today said she stands with the president along with the rest of the republican party. we're essentially waiting to see what the president is going to say about this. he is going to make a public statement tomorrow here at the white house around lunch. the question will be whether or not he tries to strike a tone about moving forward or whether he will continue to focus on mitt romney. erin, just a hint of how surprised the white house was by that vote today, we saw senator -- we saw the vice preside president, mike pence, say he believes this is going to be a bipartisan vote, after mitt romney announced he was going to vote to convict at least on one article of impeachment.
>> all right. thank you very much, kaitlan. before romney publicly announced his decision, he spoke to the desiree news saying, quote, i've never experienced so much sleeplessness, angst, and recognized such consciousness for the country than i have during this process. i appreciate your time, boyd. you have this conversation with senator romney. you can hear how emotional he was. i don't think there's anyone that can admit how deep and personal and genuine. how hard was the decision for him? >> clearly that he felt his oath to god as you played in the clip there, every other consideration had to be laid aside so he had an open mind going in there. that was part of it. the other part, for him, was this idea that we have to get to the truth and do it in a way
that is honorable to the american people. in other words, about 72% of the american people believe the biggest problem in washington is that our politicians are too worried about their re-election, their party and maintaining power than they are for doing what's right for the people. i think it was this idea that you do have to show courage. you have to be willing to show character and, to be honest erin, it doesn't require any courage to stand up to your enemies or political opponents. it requires courage to stand up to your friends, your supporters and your political party. he was able to do that so well. i think he feels it's a solemn moment, a tender moment for him. i think it was very important. one other lesson for all americans is that we can get to a decision on things that is different. oneness is not sameness in this country. and that's okay. and you never heard senator romney, you never heard his counterpart, senator lee from utah, ever question their opponents that they disagreed with, never questioned their
character. never weaponized their words. never questioned their patriotism or commitment to the constitution. and that's an important lesson for us in america, that we can have disagreements. we can hear the same evidence and get to different conclusions, but it's when we weaponize that. i don't think we have a polarization problem in our politics. we have a contempt problem where we believe it's okay to really say, you have no value because you disagree with me. so i think there's a good lesson there for everybody. >> so trump has already now come out, right, and put out a video. this is the beginning of how it's going to go. this is going to be as nasty as it gets. he's ready for it. what will utah voters think? romney is willing to lose his seat over this. that's clear, right? he did what he thought was right. what will the voter reaction be in the state, though? >> i think it will be a mixed bag. president trump has an interesting dynamic in the state of utah. he has very animated supporters here in the state.
and he has a lot of detractors and people in the middle who weren't quite certain. they've been pleased with his work on religious liberty, his taxes, the economy and jobs but have questioned some of the things. part of that with senator romney is no one should be surprised. this is exactly what he said he was going to do before he was elected. he agreed with the president about 80% of the time on policy. >> i appreciate your time, boyd. thank you very much. >> thanks, erin. >> i want to go "out front," with democratic senator richard blumenthal. as we've laid out here, the white house expected a bipartisan vote to acquit. they expected a couple of senators from your side to come over. not only did they get that, but the bipartisan vote was on the other side. they did not know romney was going to do this until he announced it. were you surprised by his decisi decision?
>> i was surprised when i watched his speech on the floor, a profoundly moving moment. and as cynical and distrustful as many americans are about their political leaders, understandably, there really is some reason for hope and other heroes and patriots who came forward, those diplomats and public servants, taylor, vindman, yovanovitch, who risked everything, had nothing to gain, everything to lose, as well as the house members in difficult districts who voted for impeachment. and so i think that there is a lesson here in senator romney's stepping forward for conviction and conscious and i was both surprised and immensely impressed. and i hope that it gives us some hope and faith in the resilience of our democracy. >> as you point out, it was a moment. i don't tire of watching it. he was emotional. and i want to play, again, a brief part of it.
and this is, perhaps, at the core. let me play this one part of it for you, senator blumenthal. >> i am profoundly religious. my faith is at the heart of who i am. i take an oath before god as enormously consequential. >> what were you thinking in that moment, senator, as he was unable to speak, because he was moved by such emotion? >> well, i will tell you, erin, there were tears in my eyes and there are again, as i hear him say those words, but what i thought is, i really would like my four children to be like that. and i don't think there's any greater tribute to anyone. and i will tell you also that as
i heard others of my colleagues, senators sinema, manchin and jones also vote in the right way, i was deeply impressed by them. and as i stood and said the word guilty, i've been a prosecutor. i've asked juries to convict and say those words about a defendant that i was prosecuting. i've never said that word about anyone, let alone the president of the united states, not to mention on the floor of the senate. it was a time, a moment when the full weight of my decision, conscience and conviction hit me as well. when i watch senator romney say those words, i felt sincerity from him that i have rarely seen, unfortunately, on the floor of the senate or in many other places from people in public life. >> well, it was certainly a day for history. and i appreciate your taking the time to be with me tonight.
thank you, senator blumenthal. >> thank you. next senator mitch mcconnell repeatedly refuses to answer whether president trump acted inappropriately. >> i think that's what we just dealt with for three weeks. it's time to move on. plus new results from the iowa caucuses, but then a correction, too. bernie sanders' campaign responds "out front." joe biden goes on the attack after his disappointing iowa results. we're less than an hour away from his town hall in new hampshire right here on cnn. unitedhealthcare medicare advantage plans come with free wellness products like vitamins, pain relievers, sunscreen and more. i like the gummies. $150 in wellness products plus $0 copays on common prescriptions. go ahead, take advantage. a clear plan for retirement to help cover the essentials, as well as all the things you want to do. because when you have a retirement partner who gives you clarity at every step, there's nothing to stop you from moving forward.
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breaking news. senate majority leader mitch mcconnell repeatedly dodging questions about whether president trump's conduct with ukraine was appropriate. >> why is it okay for a president to ask another foreign country to investigate a political rival? >> manu, i've responded to you for years. you know what i'm here to talk about today is a political impact of this. >> was it acceptable for the president to ask ukraine to investigate the biden and subsequently hold up military aid? >> i'm sure you've been paying attention but that's exactly what we've been talking about the last three weeks. >> whether his actions are appropriate. >> that's what we just dealt with for three weeks. it's time to move on. >> in other words, he's not going to answer the question.
cnn political analyst john avlon and david axlerod, senior adviser to president obama. the trial is over. by the way, have you mitt romney. other than mitt romney, you have a lot of people, republicans who are saying, well, what he did was wrong, but -- and they have their but. mitch mcconnell won't even answer the question of whether what he did was inappropriate. >> yeah. that's because, look, mitch has given away the game. it's not about right or wrong much it's about right versus left. it's about winning politically. because he's not -- he doesn't necessarily believe that the president did what was right. i think mitch knows if a democratic president did that, he would be calling for his impeachment on day one and the entire conference would be behind him. that's why you have the contorted explanations by senators. they are being motivated by fear and debrigreed and the desire t, not by what's right. >> senator mcconnell also said he was surprised and disappointed about romney, right? romney's decision to vote to
remove president trump from office for abuse of power. it also caught the white house off guard. should they have seen this coming? everybody knew mitt romney took this deeply seriously. everybody knows he is a person of integrity and conviction and yet this seems to be a surprise to all of them. >> yeah. well, i think he probably was, i mean, under quite a bit of pressure from them to fall in line, as all the other senators did. and i think they assumed he would do when collins and alexander and murkowski did what they did, that he would follow suit. and perhaps they should have known, but the truth is that the momentum there was very much in the direction of everyone falling in line, which is what made romney's decision all the more impressive, and put all of them in a much more difficult position, because he was very blunt about what they were thinking in the bubble boxes above their heads. and he made those who stood up
and said well, he has learned his lesson, which he clearly has not. you made that clear at the top of your program here. he made them all look like what they are, which is politicians scrambling for cover here because of all the reasons john just said. >> john, democratic senator of ohio, sherrod brown wrote an op-ed in "the new york times," republicans in private admit they acquitted trump out of fear. many of my colleagues agree that the president is reckless and unfit, acknowledge his lies and what he did was wrong. unfortunately in the senate fear has had its way. in november the american people will have theirs. private conversations are very different, he has made that point on this show before. what do you make of this? reckless, unfit, lies. what he did was wrong, but they were afraid. of what? >> anyone who has covered this administration, or congress during this administration knows this to be true. they are afraid of being called out by the president on twitter,
being yelled at. they're afraid of their base. this is the problem of polarization. it's taken our politics so off center that the base is deeply devoted to president trump and they can be deployed and they can be deployed in ways that will create political pain, financial pain for these senators. here is the point. if you're a u.s. senator and have lost your ability to have moral courage on the big issues of the day, you should get another job. the reason this stood out is because it was a classic profile and courage speech. but why is that so rare? why is it so rare to hear politicians actually say out loud what they know to be true in their heart? that's the sign of a decaying society and is worth rebelling against. >> let me take a small exception to what john said in that profiles in courage is a book that john f. kennedy wrote about legislators who showed courage. >> yes. >> i've always said it's not a coincidence that it was a slim
volume. you know, that kind of courage has been rare in the past. the degree of partisanship in this reign of terror has taken it to another level. so, you know, political courage is hard to show because it generally means you put yourself at risk. right now, to john's point about what can happen, recall romney is trending on social media. you saw the president's son call for his expulsion from the republican party. he knew all those things were going to happen. he was willing to take it on. the others were not. >> but this is what you do. you punish -- you say dissent is disloyalty. that's how you reinforce group think in these unhealthy environments. the chairman of the rnc go after her uncle, to disavow him. that is not a healthy environment for humans in a democracy. that is the sign of something deeply sick. and the reason we look back on
the profile in courage is because they stand the test of time. a declaration of conscience against joe mckorth karthy, it took enormous courage but we honor her half a century later or more because of that. why are more senators not having conviction and doing what's right? >> mitt romney has dedicated a lot of his life to public service, no doubt he comes from that tradition but he also has the financial ability to walk away and a lot of these guys don't. >> but most of them do, actually. there's a lot of wealth in the senate. >> there's wealth, yeah. >> it's the power that they want. it's the power they want. you know, they want to do the right thing but if it's a choice between doing the right thing and staying there for 30 years, they'll take the 30 years. that's common. by the way, you see it on both sides of the aisle. right now, there's a reign of terror that is like mccarthyism on the republican side where if you step out of line, you will
be roasted by the president of the united states on twitter and in his comments. and that is something they are afraid to take on. >> thank you both very much. iowa issuing a correction. they released a new round of results and then had a correction, that was mini, but actually meant a total change on who was on top in the popular vote. we'll hear the reaction from the candidates directly. michael bloomberg rolling out new endorsements, including a key governor who just recently called his campaign a long shot. not so long anymore, says she. what changed? tums vs. mozzarella stick! (crowd noise) (bell rings) when heartburn hits. fight back fast.. with tums chewy bites. beat heartburn fast. tums chewy bites.
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breaking news, the iowa democr democratic party releasing more results from the caucuses, pete buttigieg maintaining his lead over bernie sanders. buttigieg remains in first place on state delegates, sanders, warren and then biden. as the party struggles to explain this two-day delay they're admitting what they call, quote acres minor error, which at one point mistakenly put buttigieg ahead of sanders in the popular vote.
but then that wasn't true. jeff zel eelmy is "out front" i iowa. >> there's no question there's finger pointing go on both sides between the democratic national committee and the iowa democratic party. in the words of one person here, the dnc is running the show. so they've sent adviser heers and also working back in washington to essentially try to get to 100% of the precincts reporting here. a lot of this will be discussed in weeks to come. the autopsy of what happened here. who decided to use that app that was such a disaster on caucus night? the dnc is distancing itself from that. some in iowa are saying, no, no, they recommended that. the reality here is this. if pete buttigieg, who still is now leading the way, if this would have been a result in real
time on election night, what a story that would have been. toppling bernie sanders. people thought that pete buttigieg was leveling out in the days before the iowa caucuses. bernie sanders was talking about this huge surge of supporters coming. that didn't happen. erin, one of the biggest takeaways here from the caucuses, the reality is that democr democratic voters weren't that excited. it was the level of participation, closer to 2016, with hillary clinton and bernie sanders, not a lot of new cau s caucusgoers coming in, not a lot of new people coming in to essentially find someone to vote against the president. so, that is one of the questions. as this still gets sorted out here, there's no question that pete buttigieg is still leading the way. unknown if we'll find the actual full results tonight or tomorrow, but i'm told it will be in the coming days. >> in the coming days. okay. thank you very much, jeff zeleny. i know you didn't say it to be funny. >> sure. >> but i'm saying it, i think, speaking for people saying
goodness, here we are. the co-chair of bernie sanders campaign joins me now. appreciate your time. what jeff was just talking about, the iowa democratic party come out with updates. they have an update on results and shows buttigieg, winning on the delegate count but lagging sanders in the popular count. they show buttigieg overtaking sanders in the popular count. that's a big deal, you would think. no, no, then they say there's a, quote, minor correction and sanders is still in the lead in the popular vote. minor correction? do you agree with that? >> i don't, erin. and the iowa democratic party, this is insanity. i really feel sad, you know, for the voters of iowa, who certainly, erin, as you know, pride themselves in this caucus. they didn't deserve this. this is like switching new plays for the super bowl. there's no way they should have been using a new app for the 2020 presidential election. they should have tested that out in elections prior to the presidential election.
thank god we had a paper trail and that was something that senator sanders and on the unity commission, of which i was one of those members appointed by him, were able to negotiate a paper trail. if we didn't have that, god only knows what they would be saying. in terms of the popular vote, erin -- and i remember so many people in 2016 and even mr. buttigieg said the same thing, the person who wins the popular vote wins. but my how things changed in 2020. mr. sanders won the popular vote in the first round and the realignment as well. the constituencies that we need to win, people of color, senator sanders outcompeted with the blook and brown community. we are building the strongest constituency that is going to bed intoed to defeat mr. trump.
>> obviously you're pointing out my goal is not to have people have confidence in results but we want to make sure they're legitimate, right? two days of delays, still not done. in the coming days. then they put something out and then correct and it and say sorry, do you trust the results at this point? >> i mean, we do want to make sure that results are right. we're keeping an open mind about this because of the paper trail. people handling the paper trail in terms of the iowa democratic party, that's something we have to deal with, transparency. something like this should have never, ever happened. then we have to make sure that something like this never happens again. >> to make sure i understand, are you thinking it's incompetence or are you implying something else when you're talking about the people counting? >> it's obvious that something is going on, erin. i don't want to insult -- there's a lot of volunteers. the senator laid it out. there's a lot of volunteers there in iowa who volunteer
their time to be part of this, as they do year after year after year, but there is certainly something that is going on. and whether or not people were trained properly or what, i don't know exactly what it is. but this is really at the feet of the iowa democratic party. i don't want to hear them blaming for the people who come to help those caucuses. this is at their feet. again they should not have used an app that was not tested in prior elections. you don't do that when you're in a 2020 presidential election. >> you wouldn't think you do. of course, they did, which is so shocking. >> they did, yeah. >> let me ask you where we are, nina. pete buttigieg's campaign says they had their single best hour of fund-raising when they launched, the precincts started to report and it was clear he was the winner on the delegates. he's going to have it beyond. he has this victory right now. we're still waiting for results but that's where it stands right now. are you concerned this bounce might help him big time? >> no, i'm not, erin. he does -- we won, senator
sanders -- the media is spinning it this way. senator sanders won the popular vote not once, but twice. let's be clear about that. >> i will just take issue with spinning. it is when you count who gets the delegates and who gets them when it comes to the -- >> we're not done. >> that's not spin. that's the rules. >> what i'm saying is that over emphasis on that instead of emphasizing the fact that senator sanders won both the first vote and the realignment, that's important. and not only that, erin, what's even more important is the type of diversity that the senator garnered. you know, people of color, black people, brown people, constituencies in the muslim community. a satellite office that was union driven and he won that, too. that is the coalition. mr. buttigieg barely has any black people. he polls at zero in some instances and maybe one or two percent. how are we going to win without
having a large coalition of people from all walks of life? that is what it's going to take to defeat president trump and senator bernie sanders certainly has that constituency behind him. and then the youth vote. 17 to 29, he increased the share. it's not true that the share of the voters in that primary or in that caucus was not increased. we did increase it. he increased it over 2018 and also 2016 and 2012. the youth vote, 17 to 29. they came out in force for senator bernie sanders. >> i appreciate your time, nina. thank you very much for being with us, as we await more results from iowa. next, we are less than 30 minutes to cnn's crucial town hall. they're kicking off with joe biden in new hampshire. can biden regain momentum after iowa? >> plus jeanne moos on the reaction to nancy pelosi tearing up -- tearing up, that was somebody else today -- tearing up trump's state of the union speech. >> trump ended the speech and nancy pelosi did this.
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tonight, mike bloomberg rolling out new endorsements, including the chief of the democratic governors association, the first governor to endorse bloomberg for president. >> he'll take on anybody. he's not afraid of anybody. it was an easy call, because he stands above the other candidates. >> "out front" now, governor ramondo of rhode island. joe biden has endorsed you in the past. last year you said biden, quote, has good a chance as anyone in 2020. now you've made a choice. you've chosen bloomberg. why? >> yes. so, as i said today there are a number of excellent candidates running and i admire all of them for doing it. but i've decided to back mike because he unquestionably has
the best chance of beating president trump and that's what i'm focused on. he's the only one running who has run something. he ran a company. he ran very successfully the biggest, most complicated city in america. i know as a governor, as an executive, i want somebody in the white house with the track record of delivering results for people and actually getting things done. so i think ecan beat the president. i know he can beat the president. and that's our primary goal. certainly my primary goal. but i also trust mike to get things done for america, just like he did in new york. >> in december, we were looking back at things that you said as you were making this big decision, you spoke about bloomberg and you said this, i quote you, bloomberg's campaign is a long shot. i think if he were here, he would admit it is a long shot. he got in late, especially being a billionaire, and he is not young. having said that, the race is in
flux. his approach is one we have never seen before. that's your full quote. to state the obvious, he's still not young. he's still got in late. he's still a billionaire. why don't you think he is a long shot anymore? >> what you just said describes an unconventional candidate running an unconventional campaign. and i think that's exactly what we need to beat president trump. if we run the same place we've already run, we run the risk of losing. and mike is innovative. yes, it is a tall hill to climb, especially that he got in late. you know, when i've asked him about that, i say to him, mike, why are you doing it? and he says my country. i'm doing it for my country. i'm doing it for my family. and that speaks volumes to me. so, he has the stamina, the resources, the ideas, the track record to get this done. and, as i said, i think we need to run an unconventional campaign if we're going to beat the president.
>> another big question about how to beat this president is, of course, how to handle how he treats people, right? and everything has been tried, from ignoring what he says to fighting back, ala marco rubio, and nothing has worked, right? the bloomberg campaign has traded insults with president trump. he has made fun of bloomberg's height. the bloomberg campaign responded by calling trump a pathological liar, mentioning had his fake hair, obesity, their word, and quote even his spray-on tan. did you talk to mayor bloomberg about how he will handle the inevitable personal battles that are going to come here? they are going to come and trump personally will not shy away from it. >> yes. mike bloomberg is a fighter. he has never shied away from a fight that he believes in. he has fought and won with the nra around gun safety, fought and won against fossil fuel companies in the interest of addressing climate change,
fought and won against entrenched special interest and the status quo in new york city and delivered, created half a million jobs for the people in new york city while he was the mayor. so, listen, if we're going to beat the president, mike bloomberg is the guy we want in the ring. i also think he's such a contrast to the president. you know, mike bloomberg started out like so many people, middle-class family. he worked his tail off. put himself through college. and then became very successful. he is a real businessman, a successful businessperson that created 20,000 jobs. president trump is a fraud. he's not a successful businessperson. and he began with a multimillion dollar loan from his father. so, mike will take it to him. and, as i said, i like his chances. >> i appreciate your time, governor raimondo. thank you very much. >> thank you. and "out front" next, joe biden about to take questions at cnn's town hall in new
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for ripping up his speech. the state of their join is ice cold. >> she ripped him a new one. >> i think it was a new low. >> the shredder wasn't available, so she did what she needed to do. >> i wasn't sure if she was ripping up the speech, or ripping up the constitution. >> reporter: mike pompeo tweeted lisa simpson ripping up her civics essay, then he got ripped by a former "simpsons" producer, saying, mr. secretary of state, please do not ever, ever, ever use simpson's material. both fans and critics dubbed pelosi nancy the ripper, unlike their previous run-ins when she famously pointed a finger at him and clapped back at the president. this time, he didn't see it coming. of course, when nancy pelosi went on a tear, others couldn't resist following suit. >> it was very clear. >> i'm moving on from this. >> wraps up the show. >> we got radio talk show host. >> speaker pelosi told house democrats he shredded the truth,
so i shredded his speech. >> it was the courteous thing to do, considering the alternative. >> reporter: the shredding, even eclipsed the snubbing, if that's what it was. >> it looked like he blew her off with the handshake. some people say, no, no, she just didn't see it. okay. >> he saw it. >> and then there was all of that head shaking. >> i keep my promises. we did our job, by nancy. >> the big pharmaceutical companies, we have approved a record number of -- >> reporter: and other democrats, along with mouthing things like "not true." >> illegal aliens, forcing taxpayers to subsidize. >> what is wrong with her? she looked like she was reading the cheesecake factory menu. >> reporter: the guy who avoided pelosi by hanging a towel over his tv missed the big moment, but team trump turned it into what mitch mcconnell thinks of the articles of impeachment. does that count as a rip-off? jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> and thanks for joining us,
cnn's democratic presidential town hall with joe biden live from new hampshire begins right now. . and live from st. ann's college in manchester, new hampshire, a cnn democratic presidential town hall event. i'm anderson cooper. we are at a critical moment in the 2020 election. the president has just been acquitted. iowa is still counting votes. and the first in the nation primary here in new hampshire is just six days away. over the next two nights, the top democratic candidates for president will be on this stage, taking questions from new hampshire democrats and independents, many of whom are still undecided. later tonight, we're going to hear from elizabeth warren, andrew yank, and tom