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recommendations from our public health officials. among them that we avoid large groups, that older people and those who feel sick stay at home. this country has endured tough times before. together we will certainly get through this. erin burnett out front starts right now. outfront next, breaking news. the president admitting the coronavirus pandemic is in his words bad and not under control. in his words he said it could last until july or august. and hospitals are running out of bends and ventilators. and a nosedive on wall street. even trump is talking about a recession. let's go out front. good evening. i'm erin burnett. outfront tonight, the breaking news, president trump admits coronavirus is not under control as his administration implements new guidelines to try to stop the virus spread.
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tonight at least 4,245 americans have been tested and shown to be infected. 81 are dead. >> are you talking about the virus, no that's not under control for anyplace in the world. no, i didn't. i was talk about what we're doing is under control, but i'm not talking about the virus. >> and late today a rapid change in recommendation. no gatherings of more than 10 people. just yesterday the cdc had had that limit at 50 people. so slashing that to ten, and the president today telling older americans to stay home altogether. to essentially take themselves out of the mix. the mayor of the largest city in the united states, new york city sounding this alarm. >> this is going to be a war basis in new york city. these are battlefield conditions. >> but the top infectious disease doctor in this country who has not been afraid to sound the alarm again and again and again to raise consciousness
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about this today was also urging calm. he said the life stopping and life altering economic crisis inducing steps that are now being taken around the country affecting everyone's lives dramatically will not last forever. >> the guidelines are a 15-day trial guideline to be reconsidering. it isn't that these guidelines are now going to be in effect until july. what the president was saying is the trajectory of the outbreak may be going to them. these aren't solid in stone until july. >> very significant for all americans to hear what he said there. nick watt is out front in los angeles tonight. nick, how are americans reacting to all of this? >> listen, erin, there have been calls from governors and mayors for more centralized action on this for some time. and there was a real shift in tone from the president. it does seem that now from president trump all the way on down there is a realization that these desperate times do call for desperate measures.
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as the mayor of new york also said today, you know, pretty much everything is now on the table in terms of how we fight this virus. closures and chaos. the message, get used to it. >> we'll see what happens, but they think august could be july, could be longer than that. >> we have the same number of cases now that italy had two weeks ago, and we have a choice to make. >> reporter: because in the past two weeks italy has seen more than 1,400 deaths. to avoid that fate as a society and this fate as individuals -- >> yeah, that's the cough. >> reporter: we must now social distance. at 8:00 p.m. tonight all movie theaters, gyms and casinos across new york, new jersey and connecticut will close indefinitely. bars and restaurants now take out only. other states and cities already
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doing the same. >> you can purchase through takeout. and we hope that goes a long way towards alleviating any economic hardship. >> reporter: in new jersey now all nonessential travel strongly discouraged between 8:00 p.m. and 5:00 a.m., from midnight tonight in san francisco everyone must stay home except for essential needs. meanwhile about 36 million school kids in at least 35 states now forced to stay home, schools closed. >> it would not surprise me at all if schools did not open at all again this year. >> reporter: at airports long lines for screening international passengers. >> very chaotic. >> reporter: some stores now disinfecting hourly. >> when 9/11 occurred i was around, the black outs, the hurricanes. nothing has ever been like this. >> reporter: supply chains slowing as demand explodes.
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>> right now we're not charging people when they come in, as long as i can keep getting deliveries, i'll get food. i may go bankrupt. >> reporter: amazon under a surge of online orders now warning of delivery delays. >> when you look at the projections, there's every chance we could be italy, but there's every hope we will be south korea if people actually listened, if people actually socially zn socially distanced. >> reporter: now, inside south korea there has been aggressive testing, strong social distancing, and they are now seeing a dramatic drop in the number of new cases every day. but it did take some time. and there's also a limit here to just how much the government can do. as the surgeon general pointed out this morning, we are not an authoritarian nation. >> no, not at all. and in that context you have to ask people instead of demand of them. and out front now dr. sanjay
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gupta, the clinical professor at medicine and infectious decide, and on the phone dr. mark rupp jones us. he's the infectious control chief at the university of nebraska medical center, and he has been overseeing treatment for coronavirus patients. sanjay, let me start with you. so these new guidelines which trump put forth from the cdc, they say gatherings of no more than 10 people. yesterday that was 50. we know yesterday you had states doing 100 and 250 and 1,000. it has dramatically come down and now down to ten. what does the fact this is changing so quickly say to you? >> well, it says two things. i think first of all these are somewhat arbitrary numbers, obviously. there's no magic number in terms of size of gathering. although one can argue there shouldn't be gatherings. social distance means social distance, and you know no gatherings probably is going to meet that requirement. i think what i get the sense of,
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erin, the strategy is not shock people too much, to introduce these things slowly so people aren't too shocked. and i think when you saw dr. fauci come back up to the lectern in nick watt's piece there it has 15 days to slow the spread. that's the name of these guidelines. in two weeks they may reassess, and i think he's sort of bracing us for that. and at that point the reassessment it might be more stringent, so i think it's more of a slow roll. >> the president predicted the pandemic itself, however many ways you have a patient, could end in the united states this summer, july or august. let me just say play that part again. >> they think august, could be july, could be longer than that. but i've been asked that question many, many times. >> so first of all, doctor, what do you make of that, that he's making -- obviously dr. fauci made it clear that's not
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referring to the emergency measures themselves, that could be alleviated or tightened or whatever it may be. but the pandemic itself over by this summer? >> that seems rather optimistic. i don't think anybody can really make projections about how long this pandemic will last at this point. we still don't have data out of africa really and parts of south asia that probably do have transmission. that's also part of how we think about is this a pandemic or not. we're at this sort of decision point, tipping point where we could be south korea, and we could be italy. and so the next couple of weeks are going to be grulgs for determining that trajectory for the u.s. itself. >> sanjay, do you think it is possible at this point because we keep hearing look at italy and we're two weeks or 10 days behind it. do you think it's possible that the united states, and by the way for every infection we know about there is we don't know how many. we just don't know. we know the numbers are
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dramatically off the reality. is it possible we could still be south korea instead of italy? >> yeah, i guess it's possible. i'm worried. i'm hopeful, but i'm worried because i think, you know, south korea while the next two weeks are very important as dr. gounder said, they were doing things before we were doing things. the testing we talked about so much and i think most people are sick of hearing about it at this point. but having that surveillance early on in south korea i think helped dictate some of their strategies, and they did those things earlier. some thing about some of these social distancing things we're hearing about, it's one of those things where if you're going to do it, you want to do it early. that's where it's going to have the most impact. may still have some impact later on, but i hope we didn't miss that window. i don't think we did. so, yeah, i think we can beat south korea still, but i'm not sure. we lost some time here, erin. >> italy you see them doing this dramatic and draconian
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distancing with no end in sight. and it's hard to contemplate how long human beings can do that. the cdc announced today there is a vaccine in phase one, which is obviously the first of several phases required to put something in a human body no matter how desperately you want to try it. here's what the president said about it today. >> i'm also happy to report today a vaccine candidate has begun the phase one clinical trial. this is one of the fastest vaekseen development launches in history. >> even if that is the case and even if this vaccine ends up being as promising as it indicates this early, these are big ifs, could it actually come to the public? >> i think this is a very quick pace for the development of a vaccine, but it's going to be months if not a year or so before this really gets into production and gets into the front lines and we can administer it to our patients. >> let me ask you another question about the primaries tomorrow, because you're dealing
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with this on the front line which we're going to talk about more about later on the program. but you've got ohio, cec, louisiana postponing their primaries but arizona, louisiana have not followed suit. from where you sit do you think that voting in any way in person is appropriate tomorrow? >> well, i think it's important that we really do emphasize the importance of the social distancing. and we may be able to achieve that in certain situations trying to keep that 5 to 6 feet difference between people so that somebody who goes to the polls potentially could be standing a couple of meters or 6 feet from the person in front of them. there are some ways you could potentially achieve this. overall clearly we need to be doing more electronic means of voting more absentee voting. there are better ways of doing this. >> look, i think people are going to be scared right now
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given all these guidelines coming out. you may have lower numbers as a result. so you obviously don't want that. there are younger people who oftentimes work at these polling places. if you'd like to make this happen voting is important. jiem not sure when we say delay it, delay it until when? it's hard to figure that out. but it think it might be tough to both do it and follow the guidelines that have just come out. >> anyone has seen that if they've been anywhere like a pharmacy or grocery store in the past couple of days as well. next hospitals sound the alarm about a shortage of intensive care beds and ventilators. the window may be closing to have enough of them in time for an anticipated surge in patients. >> we've ordered a lot. we have quite a few, but it may not be enough. >> president trump says he gets a 10 out of 10 on his response to the crisis. his message to governors about those respirators was very clear, get them yourself. is that right? and the dow reports its worst
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federal government, it's always going to be faster if they can get them directly if they need them. and i give them authorization to order directly. >> the president telling governors on a phone call earlier we will be backing you but try getting it yourself. >> as cases surge to more than 4,000 nationwide, and again i emphasize known cases. we know that people who have it is a higher number than that. hospitals are warning they need more supplies to deal with an expected influx of patients. katelyn collins is out front. what more could the administration be doing to respond to this at the federal level specifically? >> reporter: states are saying they don't have enough. what i did you've seen the democrats float in recent days they've, help them have enough because they say it's going to come to a critical time they do not have enough in these hospitals to treat patients.
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because they're going to have to make a decision who gets one who doesn't get one. the president said he didn't have a number for us so he'd let us know about that. you've also seen other ideas thrown around, one from the new york governor andrew cuomo saying he could use the turn into hospitals because another concern is there's going to be a shortage of icu beds. those are all things we're pushing the white house on today because we're really moving onto the next phase of this. where we face these concerns over a slow down and diagnostic testing. now the question is going to be what to do with all these patients. i do want to note in that briefing room today the president seemed to be taking on a different tone than what we'd seen him use in certain days, today saying oh, he just meant he was talking about the administration's response. but also the time line they were giving on all of this, saying this outbreak could last until
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july, potentially august. that's not what we were hearing from the president before when he'd been hopeful it would go away when the temperatures warmed up in the spring. it it seems we're getting a more realistic time line from the white house. >> i want to go to gretchen whitmer, and governor, i appreciate your time. so on this issue of ventilators and respirators, obviously it's crucial for you and other governors. so the president says today if you're able to get them, try getting it yourself. he's saying the reason is it would be longer to go through the federal government. is that true as you understand it, or is there something the federal government could do that would help you dramatically? >> well, i mean it's amazing to hear the head of the federal government say don't go through the federal government because it works too slowly. we have the cut red tape. we have to harness all of our assets and make this happen. this is dire situation because i think this administration didn't take it seriously enough on the front end. they talked about hoaxes, and they've used hyperbole and half
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truths and now everyone is skeptical what the truth really is. and we governors know republican and democrat, we've got to step up and show the leadership in this country. i think, you know, when i issue executive orders around crowd size or around extending unemployment benefits or around closing bars or making restaurants carry out only, it's because there's not that leadership at the federal level. and we're worried because we need personal protection equipment. we need respirators and ventilators. we need to expand our health care facilities that are going to get overrun because people are legitimately concerned about their health, and they haven't had a real leadership come in until we governors have stepped in. so i think, yes, i am concerned about it. we are pulling out all the stops. we're calling in as many michigan companies that, you know, could partner with us in this space. but it is important that the federal government gets their act together and does so post
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haste. >> so today you referenced this but you announced you were closing all public places, restaurants, bars and gyms. and of course, governor, you like governors around this country are asking of your citizens that they make dramatic changes in their lives and dramatic sacrifices in their lives to protect everyone in your community. for every day that this social isolation and this dramatic economic slow down buys you, what are you able to add in terms of respirators, in terms of hospital capacity? every day that the public complies, what are you able to add to save lives? >> reporter: well, i think as we look italy and as you were talking about earlier we don't want to emulate italy. we want to flatten the curve, and that means taking aggressive action now so our health care system doesn't get overwhelmed. so these precious ventilators and respirators too few to meet
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the projected need are able to save lives. and i think by taking these aggressive acs -- i've worked very closely with my counter parts in other states on both sides of the aisle to make sure we're making the best judgments on science and facts not out of fear but pragmatism about trying to flatten this curve and save lives and make sure our economy, while we're going to struggle, that there is, you know, a shorter time line for that struggle. and so all of these actions, everyone doing their part by washing their hands and practicing social distancing is -- contributes towards us flatting that curve. and that's what it's really all about. so when we ask people to make these sacrifices, trust me it weighs heavily on all of us. but we know that for the sake of our public health we've got to be aggressive. and right now these are measures that, you know, all the medical experts are telling you can make a difference. >> before we go, governor, vice
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president biden committed to picking a woman as his vice president in last night's debate. and you've been incredibly involved with the campaign. you said today it's not going to be you. why? >> well, i am 14 months into my job as the governor of michigan. as, you know, this crisis shows there's so much going on. i am grateful to be here. i think there are plenty of phenomenal potential running mates for vice president biden as he runs for president, and i'm grateful to be a cochair of the campaign and i will help him vet to make sure he's got a phenomenal running mate and someone who can step in if god forbid that was necessary. >> governor whitmer, thank you for your time tonight. >> thank you. and next hospitals are in dire straights so what can they do to help handle the patients? and miami's mayor has coronavirus. we spoke to him on friday. he was just starting to feel
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unable to say how many ventilators and intensive care beds exist as the number of coronavirus cases is growing across the united states. but he does admit there may not be enough. >> how many ventilators and how many icu beds do we have right now, and will it be enough? >> i have to get back to you with that number. we've ordered a lot. we have quite a few, but it may not be enough. and if it's not enough, we will have it by the time we need it. hopefully we won't need them. >> so far they've not given us an exact number. >> it's important we give you a number. >> so are u.s. hospitals on the verge of being overwhelmed by coronavirus patients? dr. sanjay gupta is out front. >> we're at a critical inflection point. we have the same number of cases now italy had two weeks ago and we have a choice to make. >> this is the era of coronavirus. hospitals overcrowded in places like china and italy, stretching resources thin and puing patients at risk. and the concern is is that in a
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matter of weeks that could become the united states. >> we are so incredibly under-prepared for a major at hospitals which is virtually inevitable. we have to look at italy and i think we're actually in worse shape. we don't have enough hospital beds, we don't have enough icu beds. >> health officials estimate 200,000 americans will need intensive care and 64,000 will need breathing machines or ventilators, but the problem is the united states has less than 100,000 icu beds and only about 62,000 full featured ventilators on hand with an additional 8,900 in the national stockpile. but since we're still in flu season, many of those are already in use. >> and by the way, even if we got the -- even if we had the 100,000 plus ventilators we actually need, we don't have the staff to operate them. >> so hospitals are bracing for a rush of patients trying to
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free up as much space as possible. that means getting patients who are well enough out of the icu and canceling all elective operations. >> we just have to make this a standard across the board. >> in some cases hospitals are now trying to prevent patients who are well enough from coming to the emergency room in the first place. like building tents to triage and treat potential coronavirus patients, using telehelp so that people can call in from home and building up their testing capacity, in some cases without people having to step out of their cars. but all of this hinges on having enough supplies, which means hospitals are now rationing what they do have. >> my hospital you had masks and gloves that were sitting out and you could use what you needed to use. that's changed. >> that's right. we've had to remove many of these items from the shelves. >> to be clear most people that get infected with the novel coronavirus won't need to be hospitalized, but for a small percentage of patients the virus can be deadly. >> we've had everyone ranging
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from just needing some supplemental oxygen through their nose all the way through people who were in shock and needing to be on 100% oxygen on a ventilator in the icu. >> when that happens hospitals can quickly run out of space and supplies. and if staff don't have the protective protective gear, they may run out of doctors and nurses as well. if this is really affecting an entire community, an entire state, an entire country, the world, are we ready? do we have what we need? >> well, i think we're as ready as we can be. but without knowing what the future holds it's hard to say whether we have enough equipment and have what we need. i think there are concerns, legitimate concerns as a nation if we're ready to handle such an enormous pandemic. >> and everyone is back with me. sanjay, so you just laid out the numbers. that say a moderate situation, right, and we'd hope we won't have to deal with more than that.
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but the point you'd make there is we don't have enough ventilators some already in use, but you have half the icu beds as needed. given a 15-daytime frame from dr. fauci when they're going to sort of get a sense in which scenario we're in, is that enough time in any scenario to change that math? >> i think it's going to be challenging and it goes back to what we were saying earlier, i wish some of this had been done before. these are tough decisions. i don't want to minimize the difficulty of these decisions. the hospital system is not built with a lot of redundancy in the system. and, you know, i understand that. but with this sort of -- you know, the pandemic and what people have seen coming for some time, the numbers i was presenting here were the federal government's own projections for a moderate pandemic. this is something they've actually arrived at themselves. so, you know, like they say, i think you want to hope you're not going to need all that extra
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capacity, but looks like we are going to need extra capacity, and we've really got to get moving on it. >> dr. gounder, do you agree with the 15-daytime frame, obviously you would then have subsequent peaks, but now you have this social distancing of whatever level we have achieved, that you would know the impact of that within the next few weeks? >> well, this is -- the coronavirus increases exponentially as it transmits, so we're right at that tipping point. so if what we're doing today and the last couple of days does not make a difference and not have an impact we're going to know pretty quickly because you're going to see numbers shoot-up in the next two weeks. and i'm profoundly concerned that's what we're going to see happen. >> dr. rupp, what are you seeing so far? >> i think one of the things you have to consider when dealing with an outbreak is you're always behind the curve. it's going to take two weeks for
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us to see how we're doing. that's very true because what we're seeing today are the people that were incubating a week ago. what we're going to see next week are the folks inoculating today. so we have to put things into place very stringently with social distancing, all the things we've been talking about what people can do personally to decrease the transmission of this. and then it takes a while to see those things start to have an impact on the curve. in our hospital we're starting to curtail elective surgeries. those operating rooms can be used for icus. those anesthesia machines can be used as ventilators. so we need to put those things into place so we have a little bit of surge capacity as we move forward. >> that's really interesting. i don't know people may not have realized that's what that elective surgery ban would allow. in terms of dr. rupp, when you're overseeing care of some
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of these patients and what you have seen thus far, is there anything you have seen that people should be aware of, in terms of when people are actually coming in the kind of care they're needing? has anything surprised you in terms of the projections you were given? >> well, i think much of the clinical scenarios that we're seeing are very, very predicted from what they've seen in other parts of the world. so we're not seeing too many surprises in terms of how people are presenting. it's pretty much the 80% to 85% of folks are coming in with very mild disease. they can probably stay at home and shelter there and recover there. 5% to 10% are requiring hospitalization. we have seen some patients requiring icu level care. so we are seeing the whole gamut just like has been described. i think what people need to be prepared for is right now we're very much preaching we'd like to test everybody, figure out where the virus is and how it's spreading. but in coming weeks the message is going to be different, which
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is if you have a mild respiratory disease we're going to assume that it's covid-19, stay home, don't spread this to anybody else. if you need medical attention as you get short of breath or show signs of pneumonia, that's when we want you to transition into the hospital and to have the care that you need. >> sanjay, when dr. rupp lays this out, 5% to 10% of people who get this would need hospital care and subset is icu, we know that's focused on the elderly and people with underlying conditions whether it be diabetes or hypertension. two emergency room doctors in the united states, for example, are in critical condition after being infected with the coronavirus. one of them was age 70, but one of them in washington state is in his 40s, and he was treating patients with coronavirus. what can medical workers do? because they seem to be clearly at higher risk. >> no, i mean there's a couple of things there.
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first of all, i think health care workers they may be getting a larger exposure to the virus because they're taking care of, you know, really sick patients. and so i think that's going to put them at higher risk in the first place. but also i think that there have been, you know, subsets of the population, younger people who have also been getting quite sick. we didn't see as much of it in china, but you are seeing some of that in other countries, so i think we have to be a little bit humble when we look at this data. the china data is what i think a lot of people pay attention to. it's a pretty homogenous country, a lot of people smoke over there, who knows what the risk factors are. the younger people we have to pay attention to. >> thank you all so very much. and someone who fits in that young group age 42 has coronavirus. he is speaking outright here next with the latest on his condition. and an ugly and historic day for the dow. historic in the worst way, worst
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tonight the miami mayor speaks out about having coronavirus. he tested positive on friday after coming in contact with the brazilian official who has the virus. you knee the same one that interacted with president trump. president trump's test was negative. the miami mayor francis saurez joins me now via skype. i know the last time we spoke you said you started to notice symptoms, maybe some chills. how do you feel now? >> i'm in that 80% category which is basically feeling minor symptoms. i've had some chills, had some aches, had some congestion, but that's about the extent of it. i've been fortunate so far. i've been video blogging the experience on my twitter account at francis suarez, and it's very
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comforting for people to see the progression and it's reducing anxiety levels. >> i'm sure for many people inc incalcuably valuable. if had not been for coronavirus and you came into contact with someone had you thought about getting tested or kind of just feeling like i'm just feeling under the weather? >> i probably would have. and to be honest with you from symptoms and it could have infected more people certainly. it could have hurt people that i come into contact with that are elderly in particular because as mayor as you can imagine you come into contact with hundreds if not thousands of people on a given week. so i'm very frpt the department of health called me. when the picture surfaced i was in very close proximity with the person who tested positive and that led me to get tested right
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away and determine what my results were. >> obviously you've been making all kinds of changes, you know, in miami about trying to reduce people who are going to venues, right, whether it be bars and restaurants. so what do you say to them? when they look at you they say, okay, you're fine, that might be me, you're young, too. there's a reason why you got that test, why you were proactive, why you chose to stay home, and that was because you could infect other people even though you yourself were not going to get very sick, right? >> yeah, that was the responsible thing to do. and you can't just think about yourself in these situations. you have to think about your loved ones, the elderly and your own family. we do among the elderly this can be a fatal disease and we do the fatality rate among the elderly can be significant according to some of the early reports we've seen. so we are asking all elderly members of our community to stay home. we're asking all members of our
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community to respect social distancing, and we are closing restaurants and bars other than for take out essentially. >> mayor suarez, i appreciate your time. i'm glad to talk to you again and i'm really glad it's under the circumstances that it is, that you're doing so well. all right, thank you, sir. and i'll talk to you soon. and next the stock market in another free fall, another historic drop. and finding any bit of encouragement as people are just so suddenly and stunningly cut off from their every day lives. >> this is my dad, mel brooks. hi, dad. ose... jamie, are there any interesting photos from your trip? ouch, okay. huh, boring, boring, you don't need to see that. oh, here we go. can you believe my client steig had never heard of a home and auto bundle or that renters could bundle? wait, you're a lawyer? only licensed in stockholm. what is happening? jamie: anyway, game show,
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president trump said the outbreak might not end until august and admitting something that may now be obvious but he had denied about the economic hit. >> is the u.s. economy heading into a recession? >> well, it may be. >> may be. nats a big concession from a president who of course has prided himself on the economy and saying this would be a quick thing. it isn't. it's a recession. and it's fair to say that at this point. "outfront" now, austan goolsbee. this is a huge admission for the president. the question is not if there is a recession. it's how long and how deep it will be. >> i agree with that. i thought -- i actually took some heart from the president's press conference today because for the first time he did not seem to be trying to minimize, downplay, or otherwise convey some information that you didn't have to pay any attention to this. we still have to deal with this fact that we've undermined our
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credibility. but i think this is a right place to start. now you see the fed has thrown everything it has. we have the interest rate down to zero. we have gone back to the world of qe, and the market doesn't think that's going to be enough, and they're right, was when you're in a panic, stimulus does not yet work. as they say in financial crisis, you can't do anything until the bank runs stop. and right now, we're having a health run instead of a bank run, and we've got to tone that down. >> so on that front, and you talk about the fed did everything it could do, and qe, quantitative easing, they're trying to do everything to prevent a debt crisis. you do think there is a stimulus that would have to do with the virus itself, and things like, you look at china, wuhan, the u.s. isn't china, but they were building hospitals in six days. that's how they solved their icu and ventilator problem. where we're hearing we don't know if we can or can't.
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you think there's something the government can do here with the stimulus front? >> i do, because when we're in the first part of the bank runs, what i call the virus economics, anything that slows the rate of spread of the virus or gives people the feeling that there is a bound that it will not get worse than blah if you are diagnosed with the virus, all of those things are the best stimulus there is. the best thing you can do for the economy has nothing to do with the economy. it's to slow the spread of the virus. so if we had a ramp-up of stimulus, which is pay double and get triple, quadruple the number of ventilators we have now, expand the icu space, rent out hotels for six months. the entire hotel to make it a waiting space for non-critical care. all things like that, as well as lots of testing so that we can
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isolate the people who have the disease, if we have a peak and then it goes down, then you reopen the door to the economy being able to come back. and hopefully, potentially come back in a rapid basis. now, you do still need to make sure that people don't starve. people don't get foreclosed on, they don't get thrown out of their homes, businesses don't go bankrupt. all of that stuff, too. >> right, but the bottom line is if people have a confidence if they're sick, they would get care and they would get the best care and there is want this fear around that, that removes -- because right now, the market doesn't know what it's going to do. >> it's got this uncertainty and there's no lower bound. erin, you know, you covered and we were there in the financial crisis. it has that same feature. the crises often have that feature, if there's uncertainty and no lower bound, then they go nuts. >> thank you.
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tonight, americans are hunkering down and they're getting creative with how to pass the time. here's jeanne moos. >> going stir crazy? how to fill those endless hours of quarantine. the internet has plenty of suggestions, from a pac-man type puppet, gobbling up vehicles, to the fitness instructor in spain who gave a workout class to his neighbors.
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to turtle tic-tac-toe, the turtle is the o, competing from permanent quarantine in his aquarium. the turtle tanked. there were plenty of cheerleaders like max brooks. >> this is my dad, mel brooks. hi, dad. >> urging younger folks to protect older ones like 93-year-old mel. >> if i give it to him, he could give it to carl reiner who would give it to dick van dyke, and before i know it, i have wiped without a whole generation of comedic legends. >> model heidi klum posted herself kissing her husband through glass, and arnold schwarzenegger trotted out a pet mini horse and donkey. >> yummy. >> to promote eating at home, while these live action matchsticks representing the power of social distancing caught fire online, created by los angeles visual artist
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rondelcan and his wife valentina. the message everywhere, don't be a spreader. >> i'm going. i'm going. >> let's hope the message is contagious. >> look at this. >> jeanne moos, cnn. >> nee biting. >> new york. >> that is weird. thank you for joining us. ac 360 starts now. good evening. tonight, some unsettling truths about the coronavirus. last night, there were 3336 cases in this country and 65 deaths. tonight, more than 1,000 new cases reported, 4,412 and 81 deaths, all in one 24-hour period. that is unprecedented for this country. we also heard an admission from president trump today that this pandemic will not be over anytime soon. it could go on until at least july or august, he said. markets, again, fell dramatically today. the dow down nearly 3,000 points, the

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