tv Erin Burnett Out Front CNN November 23, 2020 4:00pm-5:00pm PST
they both loved the simple things in life like home cooked meals, puzzles, bingo, and the new york yankees. frank was 94 years old. as a yungs man, he served in the navy in world war ii. rufamina was a telephone switchboard operator who died a few weeks after her brother at the age of 95. they may rest in peace and may their memories be a blessing. "erin burnett outfront" starts right now. "outfront" next, breaking news. the gsa administrator formally launching the transition. trump insiders admit it's the end of the road. plus, more breaking news. president-elect biden making picks and history, among them, janet yellen, the first woman to lead the treasury, and markets are liking that news tonight. we'll tell you why. and a third potential vaccine showing great promise. i'm going to speak to the lead researcher behind the vaccine and ask the question, when can you get it? let's go "outfront." >> good evening. i'm erin burnett.
breaking news. trump kind of gives in, allowing the gsa to begin a formal transition. that's a big setback for him as he says, quote, our case strongly continues and i believe we'll prevail, but moments ago, a key reality. the president says he's recommending his gsa chief emily murphy to begin an initial transition to team biden. trump trying to make it clear he is calling the shots, that he is recommending this happen. even as murphy has now sent a letter to the biden transition team which we have obtained when says in part i was never directly or indirectly pressured by any executive branch official, including those who work at the white house, with regard to the substance or timing of my decision. to be clear, i did not receive any direction to delay my determination. well, a top republican close to the white house tonight telling cnn, quote, it is over. blaring wakep call. another trump adviser acknowledging to us, quote, it's the end of the road.
now, the president has no path to victory, and just to be clear here, he has not since the election was called for joe biden 16 days ago. and tonight, the cards are stacked up against the president even though, of course, he says he will keep fighting and preva prevail. the philadelphia elections officials are meeting as i speak to certify their results. i want to show you live pictures. that is the meeting. that is democracy sausage making in process. once the results are certified, there is no going back. which means president trump will have officially failed to overturn the results from pennsylvania, and the same is true in michigan tonight, despite personal lobbying from trump, a republican on the certification board there joined democrats voting to certify the state's clear results as well. so the winner of michigan is still joe biden. nearly three weeks and nearly 40 lawsuits later, the winner of the 2020 presidential election is still joe biden. and tonight, a trump adviser says the president is souring on his longtime personal attorney rudy giuliani, who has been kind of the standard bearer of the
fight. he's been handling most of the legal challenges. according to that adviser, giuliani's erchlts are looking, quote, very bad, which is not just a commentary on his absurd press conferences at four seasons landscaping, it's also his record, the facts, 1-40 of the nearly 40 lawsuits brought by the president and republicans to try to challenge the results of this election, they have only one win. nothing so far altering the vote tally. as for president trump, again, no public events on his schedule today. the only thing he's done publicly, of course, just tweeted moments ago saying that he is recommending to the gsa to begin this process, even though he'll still prevail. he's sent 332 fund-raising emails and 92 text messages to supporters since 11:00 p.m. on election night, presumably to fund his legal challenges and who knows where else the money goes because the challenges so far have gone absolutely
nowhere. trump's allies increasingly telling him to accept reality. >> the conduct of the president's legal team has been a national embarrassment. >> the voters spoke. and here again in michigan, it's not a razor thin margin. it's 154,000 votes. you have to let those votes stand. it's over. >> among the most fundamental aspects of our republic and a democratic system is to accept the outcome of elections. >> and even steve schwartzman, businessman, trump confidantcon ceo of the blackstone group, he came under pressure after initially accepting trump's vow to challenge the election, but today he says the outcome is very certain today and the country should move on. but on this thanksgiving week, the most fitting words, wow, the most fitting words, they always come from trump himself. and this time, they come from the 2018 annual turkey pardon.
>> the winner of this vote was decided by a fair and open election conducted on the white house website. this was a fair election. unfortunately, carrots refused to concede and demanded a recount and we're still fighting with carrots. and i will tell you, we have come to a conclusion. carrots, i'm sorry to tell you the result did not change. it's too bad for carrots. >> ah, he always says it best himself, doesn't he? kaitlan collins is "outfront" covering president trump tonight. jessica dean is in washington covering the biden transition. let me start with this breaking news at the moment, recommending to the gsa they move ahead, even though the gsa is saying he's not telling us to do, not calling the shots. what is he thinking? does he recognize this is over? >> he doesn't seem to in that
tweet by saying they're still going to push forward, even as they have suffered a string of court losses in just the last 72 hours alone. and emily murphy in this letter to the biden transition team basically says that's part of the reason that played a role in the decision that she made today to move forward and to formalize this transition. and erin, what this transition means is that the biden team is now going to get resources to start with this transition, to take over the power of the federal government, but it also means that current trump officials can start coordinating with the incoming biden team because before this, there had been no contact wean the two teams. we saw people like dr. anthony fauci saying he had not spoken to the president-elect or anyone on his team. so the differences here you're seeing with what the president is tweeting and what emily murphy is saying is that the president is saying that even though they're going push forward with their legal fights, he's saying he recommended the gsa make this move. though, of course, he says pretty clearly in her letter she was not pressured by the executive branch or anyone at
gsa, and she says she came to this decision independently on her own and wanted to wait for the constitutional process to play out. the underlying message, of course, is that process has played out. joe biden is going to be the president whether donald trump wants to publicly recognize it or not. but the president saying that he recommended she take this step does not seem to be the situation. because she refutes that pretty clearly in her letter. what we will see is that coordination start to take place as you're seeing more and more republicans urge for this to happen, urge for the president to accept the fact that he lost this election. so that's really the question. the president's own conduct is the only thing that has not been determined yet here. >> all right, thank you very much. now let's go to jessica dean who is covering the biden transition. so jessica, obviously, this has become a bigger and bigger issue there were real ramifications to the delay in terms of national security and other things. this wasn't just a rhetorical thing. but they had been starting to get a little nervous at what point they needed to point the accelerator a little harder. what is their reaction now that
it appears this transition will go ahead? >> you can imagine this is welcome news to the biden transition team, but really, this is less about president trump ever conceding and more about them, to your point, being able to get in and begin the true work of building their transition and moving towards january 20th. logistically, it releases millions of dollars for them to get office space, for background chebs to begin on cabinet nominees, things like that they they were starting to send out emails to supporters thinking they might have to fund their transition themselves. that's what they were saying late last week. now, those funds will be released with all of this. even more importantly to them, this is about data. this is about information. specifically covid. they want to be talking to dr. fauci. they want to be talking to the people at health and human services, especially when it comes to vaccine distribution plans. they know that's critical that they're getting that information. they want a full accounting of the national security interests for the united states, and erin, i thought this was interesting directly from the statement, i'm
quote it, they want to gain complete understanding of the trump administration's efforts to hollow out governmental agencies. so the biden transition team being very stark with their language and really believe they have a lot of work to do when it comes to building these agencies back up. >> thank you very much. i want to go to pennsylvania's democratic attorney general, josh shapiro. attorney general, we just showed live pictures of that certification that would deal the final and formal blow to trump's efforts there. i believe philadelphia has just confirmed they have finished so it's certified, done, now in the rear-veer mirror. is there anything the president can do now to stop it? >> i don't believe so. the certification process has been playing out all across pennsylvania successfully and swiftly today. and we have seen over the course of the last several weeks just multiple lawsuits filed by donald trump before the election and then since the election.
they have all lacked merit. they have lacked facts. they have been evidence-free, and they have lost nearly every step of the way. erin, within this span of about 45 minutes today, they lost an appeal in the third circuit and lost a case up in the pennsylvania supreme court. we have rounded the turn. the election is long over. and now the transition begins. >> so when the president says he's recommending the transition begin but then continues to add he is still fighting the fight ad he will prevail, right, which he was very clear to say just again, want to put an emphasis on this, there is no way in the state of pennsylvania. >> no, and look, there's no evidence that he'll prevail, and no evidence, period, of any of the kinds of fraud that he's been alleging. the election was fair. it was secure. that's been said by republicans and democrats alike all across pennsylvania. it would appear that the president is one of the only
people in this country that has yet to come to grips with this reality and the reality is that jooiz joe biden got more votes than president trump in pennsylvania and across the country and earned more electoral votes and will be sworn in as the president on january 20th. >> so i mentioned earlier a trump adviser says that the president is souring on rudy giuliani. his longtime personal attorney. he's been his attack dog on everybody and the standard bearer on these legal challenges. according to that adviser, giuliani's efforts are, quote, looking very bad. obviously, there's the physical nature of it, right, and sort of he was mocked for some of these press conferences, and there's the failure rate, which is, as i said, about 1 in 40. what's your experience been, attorney general shapiro, fighting giuliani and this legal team? >> well, i mean, he is really just been a sad figure to watch. he shows up with absolutely no evidence to back up the ridiculous claims that his client, the president of the united states, makes on twitter
or wherever he says them. he goes on and on and on. he rambles. it's a sad and steep decline for someone who was at one point referred to as america's mayor. he's doing a real disservice, i think, to his client and a tremendous disservice to the country by continuing on. certainly, if he wants to file more lawsuits, we'll be here, and we'll beat him every step of the way, as we have, to protect the will of the people of pennsylvania. and to insure that their voices at the end of the day are the ones that are heard. and erin, really, we have reached the end of the day now in this process. and i think rudy giuliani and his client need to have a tough talk. >> well, attorney general, i appreciates your time. thank you so much. >> good to be with you. >> all right, we're "outfront" now. one of this nation's preeminent constitutional law scholars laurence tribe, who was part of al gore's legal team in the recount of 2000. so, professor, a lot to ask you about. especially in light of what
attorney general shapiro said about rudy giuliani, but let me ask you about the breaking news from the gsa. emily murphy, trump appointee, said she was not pressured to do anything. trump obviously seems to be clearly taking credit. i recommended she do this. i am the one calling the shots. you have been very clear that this withholding of a transition from the gsa and emily murphy as the chief could have been in violation of federal law. do you believe any laws were broken in this delay? >> i do think that laws were broken in this delay, but i think the important thing now is to move forward. whether it is her decision or trump's decision doesn't matter. the fact is that we're now fully into the transition and all of the harm she has done, which cannot be undone, a lot of people, i think, will die because she dragged her feet as much as she did. but i feel like celebrating. and we now know for sure, as we knew before, but now it's
without the slightest doubt, that joe biden is the president-elect. he will be the president of the united states. he's forming his cabinet. he's governing more from outside the government than our pathetic president is from within the government. and it's very clear that there are no options left. and i do want to say that we shouldn't simply focus on the ineptitude of his lawyers. it's not as though if he had a better legal team he could have done anything. when you don't have a case, no facts, no law, even get the best lawyers in the world, you're not going to win. the reason he's lost 39 out of 40 cases isn't just that giuliani and sydney powell were so stupid. it's because they had no hands to play. >> and it's a significant point. it's one of those, i know what you're saying is obvious, yet it isn't clearly said often. i think it's really important you say it. but i'm curious, professor,
about where all the money is going to go. because you know, when i was saying trump's schedule is pretty much always empty and today he didn't even tweet until he made the comment about the gsa, since election night at 11:00, he and his campaign have sent 332 fund-raising emails, 92 fund-raising text messages. that's a lot of money that has been coming in, and they have been saying this is for their legal defense. then the money is still there. what can trump use this money for? is this -- are we ever going to know? >> well, we have to find out whether he is defrauding all of the people he's fleecing for all this money. clearly even at $20,000 a day, giuliani can't consume it all. it's going to go into trump's pockets. it's going to go to fund future campaigns that he's going to run. it's going to go to bail him out to some degree. but he is in so -- such deep debt that even with all of the money he has fraudulently raised
from people, supposedly for his defense, although the footnotes say that he's going to keep 6 cents out of every 10 for himself in one way or another, with all of that money, he is clearly going to do something out there, whether it's starting a new network, whatever it is, he's going to be out of the white house, but he's not going to be out of our hair. he's going to be present in our minds. i would love to just be able to forget the guy because it's hard to sleep as long as he's around, but he is hard to forget. he's going to be out there stirring up violence, stirring up disagreement with the election. he's going to claim we were stabbed in the back, even though all of these courts have said that he had no case. a lot of people will believe him when he says that even though they were republicans, even though he appointed some of these judges, that somehow they didn't understand the truth. >> so you know, you and i have talked about pardons, and you talked about how you felt he
could pardon his family, but pardoning himself would be a much more complicated thing. as this moves forward, a transition moves forward, whether he publicly concedes or not, he is going to leave. he has a decision to make about pardoning himself ahead of any possible legal challenges. will he be able to do that, as you have continued to analyze this? >> i still believe that the constitution doesn't allow a self-pardon. the very language says you grant a pardon. you don't, you know, if it included pardoning yourself, you wouldn't grant yourself a pardon. you would simply say pardon me. but even though he may try to pardon himself, i assume that courts will keep in mind that 400 years of history point the other way. but whether he tries that or not, whether he tries to get pence to pardon him, he's not going to be able to extend a pardon or get a pardon vis-a-vis
the prosecutions that await him in new york state and by the manhattan district attorney. those await no matter what he does. >> professor tribe, thank you very much. i appreciate your time this evening. >> thank you. and next, trump's former defense secretary with a message for the president-elect. abandon america first. will biden take jim mattis' advice? >> plus, another potential coronavirus vaccine showing promise tonight. this one may also prevent transmission, something you may have thought was guaranteed with a vaccine, but not so. so that's significant about this vaccine. i'm going to speak to the lead doctor behind it, and another recount of georgia, votes just hours away. really, the third recount. lieutenant governor is with me. experience clean in a whole new way. now roomba vacuums exactly where you need it. hey google, tell roomba to vacuum the kitchen counter. and offers personalized cleaning suggestions for a clean unique to you and your home. roomba and the irobot home app. only from irobot.
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blinken, for secretary of state. linda thomas greenfield for u.n. ambassador. avril haynes who would become the first female national intelligence director, alejandro mayorkas who would become the first latino director of homeland security, and jake sullivan. on top of all this, all of this announces, president trump's former defense secretary jim mattis making a plea to biden's team in which he wrote in part, and i quote, in practice, america first has meant america alone. we hope they will quickly revise the national security strategy to eliminate america first from its contents, restoring in its place the commitment to cooperative security that has served the united states so well for decades. "outfront" now, cnn senior politic politicalalist john avlon, and susan glasser. john, you wanted to come out with all of these names at first to say you blocked the transition, but i'm going
forward a whole lot of things, a lot of history making nominees. aufrb one is a polar opposite from what trump did and would do in those spots. >> absolutely. and i think the headline biden team is looking for is make government work again. the contrast is with the unique trumpian cocktail of incompetence and chaos that has defined this administration, and notably, this is not a team of rivals approach. these are people who are deeply experienced. they have credibility, in some cases across the aisle, but they have a record of working well together. and i think that speaks to how biden is approaching this. a team that's ready to work on day one and restore our country to historic commitments in the case of the national security team, almost exactly like jim mattis was saying, a commitment to international institutions with america leading in the world, and the message there is america's back again. we're no longer going to alienate our allies and embrace our enemies. >> susan, how hard is that going to be? they're going to announce this team and go full steam ahead. and you know, you just -- you
hear the attorney general and professor tribe talking about, you're going to have trump out there. he's not going away. he's going to be there doing everything he can to stymie this and many millions of people perhaps supporting him. so what's the biden strategy to combat that and to get, you know, the whole world to say look, this country has changed? >> well, you know, erin, i think you're really right. it's a very difficult thing. it's much easier tosay, hey, we're back. they're going to be much more popular. remember when obama came in after george w. bush, the numbers spiked, hundreds of thousands of people greeted him in germany. joe biden will be similarly greeted with open arms by our western european allies. they're tired of being treated as adversaries insatead of allies. i think you're going to see a much more positive surround sound. he said on day one in this team of tony blinken and jake sullivan will absolutely rejoin international institutions and treaties that the u.s. has pulled out from, such as the
paris climate accord on day one. but that being said, it's a lot easier to improve the atmospherics than to deal with the structural problem that the world has realized that the u.s. is so sharply divided, there's a real question about how much you can count on our word anymore. if you make itt an iran deal wih jooid, if we rejoin that deal, what's to stop the united states from changing course in four years once again? that's exactly what happened the last time we made a deal. >> yeah, i mean, these are really serious questions. and as you point out, it's not just, okay, you can flip a switch and everything is back to quote/unquote normal again, and it's also not even going to maybe be this easy. a lot of names we went through need approval. they have to get senate approval, and some top republicans have been silent about the nominations. mcconnell, no comment. the foreign relations chairman, risch, no comment. marco rubio, acting chairman of the senate intel committee, no
comment. so why that silence? is that somehow related to still wanting to placate trump? >> this is a party that has been utterly spineless during an attempt to overturn a democratic election. that silence can almost be read not only as fear of trump but is not particularly adversarial. each of these folks will judge individually. republicans are going to do what republicans do, but the silence to date says more about what they have done until the gsa announcement, which is about damn time, their complete fear of standing up to donald trump and standing up for principles, than blocking this transition, which now many are acknowledging as real. remember, we still have more foreign leaders who congratulated president-elect biden than republican senators. let's see if that ratio changes in the next 24 hours. >> susan, some of these names are familiar to people.
some of them are new but some are familiar, even if not in the roles they're in now, because of president obama. these are names that had been around before. here's what the former president had to say about some of these national security picks today. >> there's been some damage done that is going to take some time to -- to dig ourselves out of. but there's no doubt that joe's got the right people to do it. and i have every confidence they will be able to do it. it just may not happen instantaneously. >> susan, part of this, the appeal of biden to his supporters is the continuance of obama in some ways. right? president obama has confidence in many of these individuals because he knows them. they served under him. is that a good thing or is it also possibly a problem if biden's team looks a lot like obama 2.0? >> well, look, the world moves on, and it wouldn't be possible to turn back the clock even if they wanted to. i think a key asset that this
new national security team has is not only that they have experience working together under president obama, many of them are directly biden loyalists, tony blinken has worked with former vice president joe biden when he was on capitol hill, when he was a chairman of the senate foreign relations committee and then when he was vice president. when he travels around the world, i think leaders will have a strong confidence that secretary blinken speaks for the president of the united states, which was never true for trump and his secretaries of state. >> not in any of those cases, i know we all had i'm sure many conversations with people around the world who say, i don't know, rex tillerson said it, it means nothing to me. thank you both very much. >> next, coronavirus hospitalizations, an all-time high in the united states. as millions of americans appear to be ignoring the cdc's warning to stay home for thanksgiving. >> the chances are that you will see a surge superimposed upon a
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breaking news. the u.s. reporting a record-breaking 85,000 plus people hospitalized with coronavirus. new cases also skyrocketing, 150,000 new ones reported as of tonight. the 21st day in a row with more than 100,000 new cases. and dr. anthony fauci warning things could be about to get much worse. why? well, in part because more than 1 million people passed through tsa yesterday. the most travelers since the start of the pandemic. >> if in fact you're in a situation when you do the things that are increasing the risk, the travel, the congregant setting, not wearing masks, the chances are that you will see a surge superimposed upon a surge. >> a surge superimposed on a surge. just all the more tragic because vaccines are coming.
not in time to save any of those lives, though. we are, though, getting encouraging news on the vaccine front. astrazeneca and researchers at oxford university say their vaccine shows an average efficacy of 70% in human trials with participants suffering -- no participants suffering severe cases of the virus, and there's also a crucial thing here that it could prevent transmission. let's get to the bottom of it now with professor adrian hill. professor, you and i spoke a lot through the spring here. you were optimistic, and now here we are, you know, with these results. and i want to get straight to this so you can explain the bottom line here. i know you had two different dosing schedules. so when you gave a participant half a dose, my understanding is it was 90% efficacy, and then when you got a full dose a month later, 62% efficacy with the two full doses among the parts. so tell me what all that means, why you average it, why don't you just go with the single dose that's 90% effective?
put it in english for us. >> sure. well, it's great to be back, erin. you're quite right. we used two different immunization ratios in this large phase three trial of about 22,000 people across the uk and brazil. and what we discovered yesterday when we analyzed the data for the first time is that there is a difference in how effective the two regimens were. the standard two-dose regime gave an efficacy of only 63%. but when we gave a half dose first and then a full dose second, the efficacy was 90%. now, that's intriguing, and the mechanism isn't immediately obvious. but it has several advantages. firstly, obviously, higher efficacy. secondly, dose sparing, in a situation where the world doesn't have enough vaccine, giving a half dose helps. and thirdly, the main reason we did it at the time was to make
the vaccine better tolerated by giving half a dose the first time. so it looks like this could really be the sweet spot, this vaccine regime. and certainly, we're going to take that forward, explore its mechanism in more detail and go to regulators saying this is our preferred regime. >> so let me ask you another thing, because you also have dada that shows you may actually be able to reduce transmission of the virus. so you know, and by that, you kept testing participants to see for asymptomatic infections, you saw the numbers drop as well. on the issue of transmission, again, i want to emphasize this, because as laypeople when we hear a vaccine works, we all may have the implicit assumption, i don't get it, not just that i don't get sick, but i'm not transmitting it to others. that clearly is not necessarily a fact. so please explain how significant it is that it may reduce transmission itself. >> absolutely. a lilt bit of background.
a lot of infections come from other people who are totally well and don't know that they are infected. that's very clear. so what can you do about that? well, the best solution is to vaccinate a large proportion of the population, to stop people getting silently or so-called asymptomatically infected. in previous two trials to our understanding did not measure asymptomatic infection, because frankly, that's a lot of work. what you have to do is invite your participants to swab their noses and throats every week, typically, for months on end, send in those swaps to a centralized lab, and we have 10,000 or more of those swabs analyzed in oxford. what we see is pretty encouraging efficacy against asymptomatic infection, and if you're not -- if you have no virus detectable in your throat, you're not going to transmit to
anybody else. this is really a first evidence with any vaccine that vaccines can do this. they can prevent people transmitting virus to other people. and that's really important in an outbreak or a pandemic situation where you're seeking to control the virus and get rid of it. >> absolutely, absolutely. i think you just explained very clearly how, you know, we all made that assumption but it was an assumption. it would be very significant if it didn't actually just prevent someone from getting sick but from getting others sick. professor hill, thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. next, they're about to count the votes in georgia a third time. given what we have just learned about the gsa moving forward with the transition, should this recount go ahead? well, the lieutenant governor of georgia is "outfront" next. and trump's recount efforts have targeted big cities, not suburbs. what's the difference between the two?
breaking news. even as the gsa has formally begun the emission of president-elect joe biden, georgia is set to begin its second recount at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow. that recount happening at president trump's team's request. if you are a little confused because you say, didn't georgia just do a recount? you are correct, they did just do a recount, and georgia's republican secretary of state said that hand recount netted p president trump 496 more votes. joe biden still the winner of georgia. out front, the republican lieutenant governor of the state of georgia. i appreciate your time. let me start with the recount.
the gsa moments ago finally saying they're ready to begin the formal transition process with president-elect biden. have you heard from the trump campaign about the recount? is it still happening? >> we continue to follow the letter of the law here in georgia, and certainly, we had the election itself and had the early results come back. then we were formed, as the law provides for, a risk-limiting audit, which turned out to be a full hand count of the presidential vote, which was 5 million votes, and of course, now that the margins are so close, within a half a percent, a candidate is allowed to ask for another recount, which is going to be a machine recount, which i believe starts at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow morning. outside the purview of any sort of ongoing conversations around gsa, we will continue to follow the letter of the law here in georgia. >> again, just so people, because people really do want to know the timing of these things. it matters so much. the hand recount, that was a involved process by definition, hand. when you say machine recount, how quickly will we know the
outcome from that? >> yeah, i would refer you back to the secretary of state's office, brad raffensperger, they're doing a good job of working well, communicating, you know, certainly it will take a little bit of time, but it will be quicker than the hand recount. we have 159 counties in georgia, which is an abnormally large number of counties so each one has their own election process they work through. >> let me ask you about the senate minority leader chuck schumer, because he says of this gsa, right, the gsa, the chief of the gsa says she has made this decision. the president tweeted about it, that he recommended she do that. he's continuing with all his challenges. he's sure he will prevail, but you know, he recommends she begin this transition. chuck schumer says, quote, this is probably the closest thing to a concession that president trump could issue. do you agree? is this the closest thing to a concession that we'll get? >> well, i caught the quick word when i came in to the studio that the president had made those comments.
i respect the decision to start the transition process. you know, i think it's one that's important for us to make sure that we are an orderly nation. i also think for the republican party, this is, you know, a starting point or at least points us in the direction of starting to talk about what potentially gop 2.0 looks like. you know, because there's a little bit of a crossroads going on. the top of the ticket obviously did not win at this point. does not look that way. but we watched republican legislatures all over the country continue to strengthen their majorities. we watched congress become even more republican and gain seats. so i think we're going to begin that conversation over the coming weeks and months about what it looks like. you know, i think for me, the middle, the moderates, really enjoy the policies out there that president trump has put forward. understand, you know, the things that we're doing. i just think at the end of the day, they just don't like the way he's communicated and we'll certainly have that conversation. >> when you say gop 2.0, and you're talking about the split of the ticket, what is it you're
saying? it's not a policy point but you're saying a repudiation of the person, right? trump himself, trumpism, not necessarily all policies, is that what you're saying? >> i think it's an important opportunity for us to continue to get better. good the top of the ticket is not going to win this election and we're going to have vice president biden is going to be sworn in as the fris46th presid we have an opportunity to put forward. here in georgia, we have two senate races. they're extremely important, not just for us in georgia but for all republicans nationally looking at an opportunity to put a firewall up against any bad ideas like higher taxes on small business owners, any chance to remove resources from law enforcement officers. things that i think are nonnegotiable bad ideas. so we're going to work hard on that, and gop 2.0 is just an opportunity to get better. and certainly, we're all going to be a part of that. >> i spoke with a longtime republican donor, and he's deeply concerned about the president and how he's handled
all this. he thought it was terrible for the republican brand, and he spoke in even more strenuous words than that, but he said that specifically. he said that this whole issue, this delay, the way the president is handling it, has hurt georgia's republicans. and you're talking about downticket, the two senate races you now have in georgia are going to determine the split in the u.s. senate. this is crucial. here's how mr. eeber heart put it. >> as a republican, what's best for us is to make mitch mcconnell the strongest we can, which is to win those two seats down in georgia, and what's best for the country is to prepare to hand joe biden the keys. >> so would you agree with that analysis, and now that the gsa transition has begun, is this good in terms of the focus on your senate oriole races? >> all eight snat constitutional officers are republicans. the state house and senate senate are republicans. i look forward to doing
everything we can to get senator loeffler and senator perdue re-elected. i think georgia is a conservative state and one that appreciates conservative leadership. governor kemp has been a great leader throughout the pandemic process. if not the lowest, one of the lowest unemployment rates. we continue to find that crucial balance between lives and livelihoods. i think georgia is a conservative state and we're going to move forward. but erin, at the end of the day, i voted for president trump. i campaigned for president trump. i supported an overwhelming number of his policies. and so did millions of other americans. i think at the end of the day, folks are just -- they're not comfortable with the way he communicated, at least those 10% in the middle, and certainly, we're going to keep working hard in georgia to make sure we keep the firewall in in the senate. >> thank you very much, lieutenant governor. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. tonight, nearly 250 million spent on advertising for those two senate runoffs in georgia. why do democrats think they have a chance at not one but both of those seats, and in what the
lieutenant governor says is a red state, but it just went blue. kyung lah is "outfront." >> to understand how georgia flipped from republican to democrat, take a trip to henry county. and meet the women who represent a rapidly >> what did it look like? >> it was predominantly a white community. >> my representative did not look like me. my elected official did not look like me. >> not any more. half of the county's population is now black and hispanics and more liberal like many of atlanta suburbs. henry county's population has boomed. thanks to low cost of living and job growth and tech and transportation, that's affected poll if he citic
politics. >> people want change and what they are doing is getting more involved. the numbers the backed her up in 2016. hillary clinton edged out donald trump by 3.5 points. four years later, joe biden won by 20 points. >> reporter: harold ran for office herself. >> i ran again and i won this election by almost 60% of the votes. >> change has come to georgia. change is coming to america. >> reporter: the democratic challenger jon ossoff and ref ra warnoff says their battle is a victory.
a 2 point victim ior victory th trump. joe biden won again by 14 points. more liberal voters like adams tilted blue. >> diverse, i think it is making a big difference. >> reporter: the state's conservative group runs deep. >> we are not going to let them take georgia. the grand old party still prevails except for georgia's metro area. mo >> reporter: voters cast their ballots for president trump this year than in 2016. historically the run-offs, republican voters show up. they pledged their incumbents will win with the funding and support of national republicans on their side. >> a lot of people are exhausted after this election. >> we are not republicans.
we are ready to go and fight with our president and will win. >> reporter: the democrats lost to the republicans by double digits and large part because democrats did not show up. erin? >> kyung. thank you very much. after transition and now officially going forward. president trump appears to be souring on the train of rudy giuliani. just admit, he's exaggerating some of his claims of voter fraud.
well, guess what? he comes out and said he exaggerated a whether i will bit. he admitted that when he talks about her. >> the only place may be worse is michigan and particularly the city of detroit. i am exaggerating a little bit but all you have to do is look at statistical data and you can see that fraud was rapid and out of control. >> you don't exaggerate a little bit about a claim like that.
a claim that's been amplified by the president who says in detroit there are for more votes than people. nothing can be done to secure that giant stamp. in michigan, that crucial part of it of the more voter part is an exaggeration. t trump is losing patient with rudy giuliani. congresswoman, i want to ask you about that. first, the gsa news at this hour. 16 days after the election now finally starting the transition process. what do you say? >> it is good to be back with you, erin. that's excellent news. a little late. good news is always welcome. it is about time we heard of the last few days and concerned about our national security and et real it is really the most important
concern. it is the foundation on which we build everything else by this country so regardless of whose ideas it was, it was welcome dallas morning news to he news to hear the gsa that the biden's transition team can begin their critical work. >> i want to begin in the state of michigan of these republican canvas leaders didn't work. they have certified with the democrats, all of them certified the results, 150,000 plus margins in the state of michigan. it was not close. rudy giuliani came on and you heard him and say this whole thing of voters more than people campus an exaggeration and the president going out again and again. here is something rudy giuliani said this again and again. here is what he said a couple of days ago in a news conference. >> the only surprise i would have found in this is philadelphia had not cheated in this election because the last
60 years they cheated in every single election. you can say the same thing about detroit. >> so detroit and philadelphia. philadelphia tonight certifying it is done. pennsylvania is done as well. not true in either case. but, he came out and said this again and again and now he admits oh a bit of exaggeration. >> let me start off with this, of course the president has everything right to due process. however regardless of who you are, you have to have evidence of wrong doing. it has been clear since november 3rd that the president's legal team has absolutely zero evidence of any wrong doing. you know how desperate can you get? it is very disappointing to hear even rudy giuliani say that there is massive fraud for 60
years that it is blatantly obvious. when he's particularly talking about predominantly black and brown communities and philadelphia and atlanta, detroit. the bottom line is they lost. the president has one more opportunity to faithfully execute the duties of his office by conceding and participated in the peaceful transfer of power and cooperating with president-elect joe biden transition team. >> do you believe that he'll formally concede tonight as the closest we got? >> tonight is the closest that we are going to get but erin, that's a start and what we need is for the gsa and others cabinet officials to start cooperating with the biden's administration so they can get much critical information that's needed to keep our country safe and so if that's the closest we get, i will take that.
just so the biden and harris team getting the information we need. congresswoman demings. >> thank you. >> thank you so much for all of you, anderson starts right now. all right, breaking news. joe biden won. again. john berman here for anderson. it is crystal clear that joe biden won for two weeks and was the president-elect. the voters knew it and the courts new it and the states knew it and even republicans knew it. tonight is different and will constitute a major development. the trump administration admits it and ascertain it. a story that cnn broke a short time ago, they have finally ascertained that joe biden won the white house, the green light