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administration by breaking a promise to the american people. >> some of the variants may lead to increased mortality, and the jury is still out how these vaccines are going to work against these variants. >> this is "new day" with alisyn camerota and john berman. >> welcome to our viewers in the united states and all around the world. this is "new day." a moment of revelation for the republican party overnight. house leadership, republican leadership, taking no action against marjorie taylor greene. the qanon-supporting house republican who endorsed the execution of democratic leaders, harassed school shooting victims, called mass shootings a hoax and trafficked in anti-semitic propaganda about jewish space lasers. she keeps her committee assignments and even receives an ovation from half the caucus after speaking to them last night. today there will be a full vote in the house of representatives about greene's committee post. republicans have to go on the record about where they stand on
this. republican leader kevin mccarthy made the claim overnight he doesn't even know what the conspiracy group qanon is. he might want to check the tape from january 6th. some of them invaded his office. >> or do a one-minute google search. meanwhile, liz cheney got an earful from her gop colleagues but she survived an attempt to remove her from leadership because she dared to vote former president trump for inciting that deadly insurrection. the final vote was 145-61. and it was conducted in a secret ballot, meaning the republicans who stood behind her can remain anonymous. >> joining me now is republican congressman adam kinzinger, an outspoken supporter of liz cheney. outspoken in the suggestion that marjorie taylor greene should lose her committee posts. congressman kinzinger, thanks for being with us. you had a heck of a night last night. how would you describe what happened? >> so, i want to put this up
front. i don't reveal details from conference because -- but what i'll tell you last night was liz survived. and here's the interesting thing. they tried at the end to move without having a vote so we could all walk out with some facade of unity. and i think that having the vote was important because people like matt gates and some in the freedom club had this idea that they had the votes to overtake her and she crushed it. she never apologized for her vote. she defended herself but on the marjorie taylor greene stuff, look, i -- obviously, i won't go into a lot of details but she did address the issue, and i didn't hear an apology personally. maybe she did say it, but the bottom line is, i think until she publicly disavows all her comments from the past and says, you know, everything going forward, you know, i don't take it too seriously. >> how will you vote today on the house floor about whether to strip her of her posts? >> i intend to vote for it. the only thing that could change
is if today she comes out and publicly shows that she has moved on, contriteness. that takes eating a lot of humble pie and it's probably going to hurt her fundraising base so i'm not sure that's going to happen because i think a lot of this kind of boisterousness on her part is to get a bunch of twitter followers and to raise a bunch of money. if she does that publicly today, you know, then i reserve the right to vote against the resolution on the floor. otherwise, i do intend to vote to remove her from her committees and i think it should have been done by the republicans. >> there was an ovation in that meeting. why were people clapping for marjorie taylor greene? >> look, it was disappointing by factor of a thousand. like i said, and i know it sounds kind of inside baseball. i don't like to reveal a ton of conference details, but she stood up and kind of gave a bit of contriteness but then it pivoted into, they're coming after you next. and my -- obviously, i had a
huge problem with all of that. but, you know, the quote/unquote they being the democrats, i think if you're not buying into jewish space lasers and false flag operations and qanon stuff, to think they're just going to come after you next i think is way a bridge too far. look, i wish this vote on the floor, you know today to remove her committees was something that we didn't have to do because it would have been done by our side, but to see, you know, her come out of there strong position was crazy. >> you said disappointing by factor of a thousand. what exactly was disappointing to you. >> i mean, look. at least half the room didn't stand up and applaud her. that's something, i guess. but you know, to see people at the end of it just be all in on marjorie taylor greene. look, i get it. she's a republican in your mind and you want to defend her, but my goodness, look at what's been said. and if she came out again today
publicly and was very contrite and remorseful, that's very different than doing it just in front of, you know, your colleagues but then going out and tweeting whatever you want because your base shouldn't know what you really said in there. >> some of the reporting last night was that you, quote, unleashed hell on kevin mccarthy. how so? >> so this is where i'm not going to confirm or deny anything because i don't want to get into any details. was i disappointed in the level of defense of her? absolutely. >> liz cheney? >> was i -- what's that? >> disappointed in the level of defense for liz cheney? >> yeah, it was a significant amount of time talking about marjorie taylor greene and a real quick one or two sentences about liz. liz committed no sin except to vote her conscience. who is the one that put everybody is our party in an awkward position on impeachment. it wasn't liz cheney. it wasn't me. it was donald trump. and, boy, last night, i'll tell you what, the people that claim
they had the votes to remove her are embarrassed today. your matt gates and stuff like tha that. to have stood up and even defended marjorie taylor greene, i thought for sure she'd lose her commits. i'm still bewildered about why there was no change whatsoever. are we really that broken as a party that we can't even take a stand on something like that? i don't know. >> i understand not wanting to reveal the details about what you said last night. so let me get your take on something mccarthy said after the meeting about qanon. listen to this from leader mccarthy. >> i think it would be helpful if you could hear exactly what she told all of us. denouncing qanon. i don't know if i say it right. i don't even know what it's right. >> there's no place for qanon in the republican party. i do not support it. >> the first part of that congressman kinzinger was leader mccarthy last night saying i don't even know what qanon is. how can any leader of a party claim at this point, after everything the country has been
through, that they don't know what qanon is? >> you can't. he used the same qanon thing in the press conference. we all know it's qanon, and by acting like we don't know what it is, it's not convincing anybody we don't. we're not saving our own bacon and we're not doing a service to the people that deserve to know that we're taking this threat seriously. the threat that trampled the u.s. house of representatives and the senate. you know, look, to be here a month later and act like, you know, january 6th wasn't a big deal, qanon wasn't a big deal, none of this stuff really happened, really the big thing is, you know, fighting the executive orders, which, look, we should have battles over political differences but you're not going to gain any followers by pretending a month ago didn't happen. >> how do you feel about having kevin mccarthy as your party leader after what you went through last night? >> i thought last night was an embarrassment, but it was really
vindicating to come out with a massive liz cheney win. i think, you know, look, kevin needs to be very clear that he's going to stand for truth in this party. >> but it's not -- saying you don't know what qanon is is not true. >> that's what i'm saying. he needs to stand for truth and recognize this party, the future is not going down to mar-a-lago and being with donald trump. so he's going to be our leader. i'll support him as leader, but i think if they're going to go after liz cheney, i think kevin mckaecarthy has to think about leadership and how to lead this caucus going forward because she goes to defended last night by 145 of us. >> so 61 voted to remove liz cheney last night. if that's the over/under there for the vote today on the house floor, whether to strip marjorie taylor greene from her committee post, do you think fewer than 61
republicans will vote to remove her? how many do you think will vote? >> i would be surprised if we get ten. i don't know what the number is, but it's not going to be very high because last night, you know, it was all about defending liz and defending marjorie taylor greene. i defend liz. i don't defend marjorie taylor greene. i don't know what that number is but i don't think it's going to be super high. >> adam kinzinger, thanks for being with us and telling us what you can about what happened last night. it's important to speak to somebody who was in the room. >> you bet. take care. all right. so as you just heard from adam kinzinger, he thinks the house minority leader kevin mccarthy should have prevented the vote that's going to happen today on congresswoman greene. he chose not to. you heard how upset kinzinger was about that. what does mccarthy do next?
today house lawmakers will take a vote on whether to remove congresswoman marjorie taylor greene from the education committees after she harassed school shooting survivors. joining us now, dana bash. also jeff zeleny. great to see both of you guys. dana, congressman adam kinzinger was just on with john. he said he did not hear her apologize last night. kevin mccarthy wants us to trust him that she apologized. but when she's had a chance in public on radio shows, on social
media, to apologize, to step away, recant anything that she said, she has loudly and proudly refused to do that. and, again, congressman kinzinger said he didn't hear her apologize last night. >> right. and he explained very clearly the reason why, which is never mind the fact that she might actually believe the things that she said, but more importantly now that she's a member of congress, that's how she's raising money and it helps boost her and bolster her power which is incredibly enhanced now after the meeting last night. one of the things that -- two things that kevin mccarthy said last night that are very telling to me. number one, on this note, he said it would be helpful for her to come out and say what she said in the conference in public. he didn't say i demand it. i didn't say as part of the deal for me not kicking her off the committees myself, she must go out and do that, which is what
we've seen leaders do time and time again on both sides of the aisle. that didn't happen. and the second thing which i thought was very interesting was more than once, mccarthy talked about winning the majority back in two years. that is his focus. that is the whole ball game for him and what he thinks is the most important for republicans right now to focus on winning, and he wants to be the speaker at that time. and that, from him, from his point of view, that's what this is all about. trying to make everybody happy and that means allowing somebody who was told so many dangerous lies pushed bigoted conspiracies to remain unchecked by his -- by her own party leadership. >> he's trying to thread a needle, but it's interesting, jeff. he didn't completely successfully thread that needle based on what we heard from adam kinzinger. i know kinzinger doesn't lead
dozens of house members but he's part of a group, the ten that voted for impeachment. i don't know if they'll get ten here. unless she comes out with a full-throated apology, it will be a bipartisan vote on the house floor to remove her from committees. in this environment, that's not nothing. >> it's not nothing. we have a metric. we have something we've not seen yet in the post-trump era. that's that secret ballot vote last night. 145 members to 61 voted. that is as good as you get. as dana well knows, we've covered these closed-door conference meetings so many times over the years. that's an extraordinary number. and that is the best sort of gut feeling of what republicans are thinking. and that is a lot of republicans who voted to support liz cheney. and y it's a slightly different thing than marjorie taylor greene, but these are basically the same pots of people. but one thing that leader mccarthy did last night without question, he accepted full ownership of anything that congresswoman taylor greene does from this point forward. he basically was giving her the
benefit of the doubt saying, oh, she said all these things before she came to washington. the fact is that's not true. you saw the drum beat from the other side of the u.s. capitol, which rarely happens. you rarely see senators getting involved in the lower chambers' business. that's exactly what was going on with mitch mcconnell opening the flood gates and so many senators came forward. i'm not sure i can recall anything like that in 20 years of covering that building. dana, i think would agree. that was extraordinary. what we have today is this. how is the georgia freshman congresswoman going to conduct herself? is she going to turn the page or is she going to double down? or mix of both? we've already seen she's fundraising over this. we'll see if she is bragging about any more conversations with the former president. but my biggest takeaway from really the last 12 to 24 hours is that this is no longer donald trump's republican party in whole, in mass. he has a sliver of them but not
entirely. last night was the first vote to break the party away from that. boy, kevin mccarthy owns all of that. we'll see if he can hold that big tent up. precarious for him. >> marjorie taylor greene is not going away. i predict this is not going to end well for kevin mccarthy because, dana, again, just two days ago, she was given an opportunity to apologize. she said, i don't think i have anything to apologize for. that doesn't sound like somebody who has come to her senses. and the interesting thing, there's the politics of this and then there's just the human side of this. you know, donie o'sullivan talked to a qanon adherrent and she said, had donald trump ever said, this isn't real. i don't believe in qanon, it would have broken the spell for her. it would have broken the spell for these cult followers. similarly, marjorie taylor greene has their attention. she can break the spell. she's choosing not to. >> right. exactly. and that's why what john was asking adam kinzinger about.
leader mccarthy last night saying, i don't even know what qanon is. never mind the fact that we know he knows what it is, instead of saying that, you know if you want to break the spell when you are a leader you say, i know what it is, a la mitch mcconnell, and it is not what our party stands for. our party stands for lower taxes, smaller government, so on and so forth. it doesn't stand for, you know, wacky ideas that are based in bigotry in many senses. so that is number one. the other thing is, the other point i want to make on just the raw politics of this, kinzinger saying that he doesn't think many more than ten of marjorie taylor greene's fellow republicans will vote to remove her in this vote we're going to see today. that is the reason democrats are holding this vote, politically. obviously, the main reason they're holding it is because they don't think she belongs on those committees, the principle
of it, the morale of it. sec secondarily, the democrats want to be able to run against every one of the republicans who are in even remotely vulnerable seats and say, oh, you know, congressman x, look at what he or she did. he or she didn't vote -- voted with marjorie taylor greene. so that could box in kevin mccarthy or box out kevin mccarthy from being the speaker which is one of the main reasons he has not stood up to marjorie taylor greene. and so that is one of the most fascinating kind of political ramifications that i'm going to be watching about this, never mind the way and the direction of the party and whether or not liz cheney is going to use the capital that she now has according to a source i spoke to close to her in order to help steer the party in a way that mccarthy is not. >> do you have to know, dana,
how liz cheney is going to vote on marjorie taylor greene today? >> i don't. but it would surprise me if she didn't vote to remove her. >> i agree, for sure. for sure. >> you agree, jeff? >> for sure. she can't go down this road and not do it. this is a fork in the road. she certainly owes kevin mccarthy. he did stand up for her in the conference so that is no small thing but the democratic national campaign committee already doing ads for vulnerable republicans calling them members of q district. that's so fascinating here. that's why that vote today will be remembered for, you know, the next almost two years before election day 2022. >> guys, really interesting points. so glad you guys share them with us. as we've seen, too many americans are falling in the rabbit hole of conspiracy theories. how can they get out of it next.
day of joe biden's inauguration. they also believed there's a global sex trafficking ring being run out of a pizza parlor basement. but some of the hard core followers of qanon are now beginning to snap out of it. here is what one former qanon believer told donie o'sullivan. >> if he were to have said something, and if he were to just say q is illegitimate. nothing is real in there, i think some people would leave. maybe not all the people too far into it, but i think it would help a lot of -- >> it would have helped you? >> uh-huh. i thought the world of him. if he would have said, that's not real, i'm not coming back it is over, i would have believed him. >> she's talking about president trump there. if he had said anything. if he had said it wasn't real, she would have believed him. joining us is aria kofler, a political consultant and independent researcher who studies the far right. great to see you, as always. i share your fascination with
qanon, and i want to understand their mindset. and that interview that donie o'sullivan did with that woman was so helpful because she was quite reflective. now that the smoke cleared for her and she snapped out of it and realized it had all been lies she'd been falling for, she was really reflective and introspective, which i appreciate. one of the things she told donie, she was indoctrinated by tiktok and youtube and facebook. that's where she began believing the unreality. is that the portal for people? >> yes, absolutely. i would suggest the vast majority of people who believe in qanon and its conspiracy theories found their way to it through social media. now whether that is through the recommendation algorithms. you're watching one video and it shows you another, and shows you another. or whether that is because you are in groups where other people
who already believe, where they're pushing it, those two methods pulled in a lot of people. t. >> she said that. it is the echo chamber algor ithm. it starts feeding you more and more of that. here's what tiktok says about that. they told cnn, we're committed to countering misinformation and advancing media literacy in our community. content and accounts promoting qanon are not allowed on our platform and are removed as identified. is that true? >> it's true to an extend but they're not winning the battle by any means. perhaps the most significant source of qanon radicalization for the last couple of years was youtube. it's the biggest platform and there were these huge videos with millions and millions of views promoting qanon ideas. and youtube didn't take systematic action until october of last year.
so a couple of weeks before the general election, which is, you know, crazy. reddit already banned qanon sites in 2018. before the midterms. you know, they are reluctant to, youtube, facebook and tiktok, to take action. and it is difficult. it's a big problem. they particularly allowed people to become essentially influencers in the qanon scene. those accounts get bigger and bigger and bigger. if it acted earlier, perhaps there wasn't be others following this in the first place. >> she said there if donald trump had ever said anything about it not being real, it would have helped her break the spell. that's, i mean, she's just being honest. she was also very honest when she said, i've always been someone that you just tell me what to do, and i do it. i grew up being told i was a republican so i have always been that. i know that you're not a psychologist, but have you found that there's a certain
personality type that falls for this more than others? >> it's an interesting question. in particular in qanon, it emphasizes independence, ironically enough as a lot of cults do. there's a big message of do your own research, find out for yourself and essentially, by helping you do the right google searches, you feel like you've discovered the conspiracy for yourself and that makes you that much more invested in it and you think it's that much more real. i have seen, in particular, in the broader trump forums, the maga worlds, a slightly different tone where people in particular are thinking, tell us what to do. trump, tell us what we should be doing right now. but there are a lot of people who started out as hard-core trump fans who got radicalized into qanon and fall between the two. >> the reason this is so important today is marjorie taylor greene, a congresswoman, is a qanon adherent. she's never publicly said she isn't.
she's publicly espoused their same ideals. and so the woman who came out of qanon, that donie o'sullivan spoke to talked about that and why that's so dangerous. let me play a portion of this for you. >> if they're not going to call her out on it, then everyone else believing it, there's got to be some sort of truth. if there's some truth, why would anybody leave? >> so if senior republicans aren't calling this out, they're essentially endorsing it in some way? >> yeah, uh-huh. i think that anybody that has an affiliation with like a jan conspiracy, they have no business being in government because it's dangerous. things have a potential to get very dangerous with them because they are thinking that they are going to have to fight for this country. >> so what's the answer to getting people out of this? >> i think it's very complicated. i think that part of the problem
is qanon's much more bipartisan than you think, by which i mean they think the republicans are in the conspiracy, too, and any republican who does speak out against them is just going to be tagged as, oh, he's a member of the conspiracy. you saw how quickly they turned on mike pence and on mitch mcconnell. so i think it is very difficult. the one person who is immune from that is former president donald trump. although at this point, people are so deep, if donald trump came out tomorrow and said it's all fake, people would just think it isn't really him. it's a clone or a deep fake. i think the best part out for many people will be with the help and support of their families and people around them trying to dig them out rather than encouraging them to dig in further. >> we have heard that from someone who deprograms people after cults that it requires just loving support and constantly reinforcing what is reality. arieh kovler, thanks for sharing your research with us.
this is cnn breaking news. >> we have breaking news. a new look at the unemployment crisis in the united states. chief business correspondent christine romans now with that. new jobless numbers. >> 779,000 people filed for the first time for unemployment benefits in the latest week. and they're under the pandemic programs another 348,000 filed. so that's 1.1 million people who lost work in the most recent week filing for unemployment benefits. it shows you the layoffs are continuing as the virus rages in this country. john, this is 46 weeks in a row i've sat here at 8:30 eastern on a thursday morning and reported the depths of the crisis in the jobs market. overall people with at least two weeks of unemployment benefits, 4.5 million. taken altogether, all the people who are getting unemployment benefits, 17.8 million. the treasury secretary this morning saying that essentially
we need to get back to jobs. and if people don't have jobs to pay their bills, we have to find support for those people to pay their bills. this is the backbone of the economy. earlier this week, john, we learned the congressional budget office, cbo, thinks the u.s. economy will get back to pre-mechanpr prepandemic size by the summer. you won't get back to prepandemic jobs until some time in 2024. >> oh, my gosh. i hadn't heard that yet. christine, thank you very much for all the reporting. so millions of americans are receiving food stamp benefits for the first time amid this pandemic and the economic fallout. struggling families turning to food banks to feed their children. cnn's vanessa yurkevich has been following this and joins us now. >> that's right. that's why the department of agriculture is reviewing the program that they run this food stamps or s.n.a.p. program. we know from our reporting over the last ten months, it is not enough. many families are having to
cobble together several forms of getting food in order to just put it on their tables. >> it was life or death. we were either going to starve or we were lucky enough to qualify for s.n.a.p. benefits. >> reporter: it's that black and white for veronica. unemployed with three children at home, the government's food stamps program is her lifeline. >> see if we can get you to go all the way around. >> reporter: many families are facing hunger for the first time. the number of americans on food stamps or s.n.a.p. has grown by more than 20% during the pandemic and spending skyrocketed to $90 billion. >> s.n.a.p. benefits came in perfectly to help me subsidize the meals that we're going to increase because everybody was at home for every meal and every snack. >> reporter: s.n.a.p., the supplemental nutritional assistance program is just that. designed to boost food budgets
for families who live below the poverty life. >> it is supposed to be enough, but many experts and more fundamentally, the families who use it are worried that it just isn't enough. so we're actually taking a look at that now to see if adjustments are needed to make it so that families can afford a basic diet with our benefits. >> reporter: that's why these americans find themselves here in this single food line at the los angeles regional food bank. those on s.n.a.p. say they need more food. >> i am homeless so i'm staying with my sister. so, you know, it's hard to be able to go to the market and she'll go to market with me and stuff but it's definitely not enough. >> not enough, but, you know, i lost my job. >> i get like 200 bucks, and you know, i can make it stretch, but, you know, once it's gone, it's gone. >> reporter: the l.a. regional
food bank serves 900,000 residents a month. one-tenth of the l.a. population. in georgia, 1 in 7 adults and 1 in 5 children are now food insecure. in new york, public health solutions says s.n.a.p. sign-ups are up fivefold. >> this is a bit of a stop gap. it's better than nothing. it's great. but it's not helping people feel confident that they can put food on the table for their families every day. >> reporter: she didn't know when she'll be back at work. a sign the recovery has a ways to go. president biden's proposed relief plan hopes to extend the s.n.a.p. benefits increase through september. >> i would like for the administration to remember that we're real people. and that we're not, you know, welfare queens that are just taking advantage of the system. i am a real person who had a real job. and now i need help so that i can provide for my children during this hard time.
>> reporter: and another program that the usda is looking at is the wic program. that's supplemental nutrition for women, infants and children. we know during this entire pandemic women, particularly women of color, single moms, have been very hard hit. and both president biden and the republicans have proposed in their stimulus bills adding another $3 billion to that wic program, alisyn, in order to meet this growing need. >> let's hope they can get that resolved quickly. vanessa, thank you very much for all of those stories. >> thank you. how republicans vote on congresswoman marjorie taylor greene today will tell us a lot about where the party is headed. we get the bottom line, next.
cnn senior political commentator david axelrod. can i start with today before we go back about what we saw last night. what do you think today will tell us when the whole house will vote on whether to strip marjorie taylor greene, the qanon supporter, of her committee posts? >> well, let me just refer to your intro there. the question is whether this is a post-trump republican party. kevin mccarth is a finely calibrated weather vain when it comes to politics. and what we learned is the prevailing winds still come from mar-a-lago. he was resistant to do anything about her. he has been very tepid in deal with her, you know, outrages, and i think what you're going to see today are a bunch of republicans doing what republicans have done lately, which is seek safe harbor in precedent. seek safe harbor in procedure and say, well, you know, we
think what you said was vile but we don't think this is the proper way to go. this will set a bad precedent. they'll say she said these things before she was a member of congress so, therefore, she shouldn't be held accountable for them including calling for the assassination of the speaker of the house. but next week, republicans in the senate are going to argue, well, trump said those things in office, so he shouldn't be held accountable for those. so they are looking for a life raft on procedure and i think some large number of them will vote no on this. but others are going to, you know, peel away. i think you have a divided republican party here. but clearly, trump still holds sway with large members of this -- large number of members of that party. >> no better example of the divided party than last night. and so what are we supposed to take away from this high stakes behind closed door meeting during which both liz cheney and
marjorie taylor greene survived. >> well, i think that was mccarthy's solemnonic solution. he wants to run as the party of liz cheney in the suburban swing districts and the party of donald trump in the red districts and tkeep those districts from flaking away from him. he wants to maintain his leadership position. he was on a highwire last night and thinks this is the way he balanced it. but the fact of the matter is you still have marjorie taylor greene sitting there. she probably will be punished by what the democrats do, but a lot of republicans will now be forced to be on record supporting her. and her outrageous conspiracy theories. she apparently apologized to some degree within the caucus and got a standing ovation while liz cheney got hours of blistering tirades, but she hasn't done that publicly. she continues to be defiant. she goes on a right wing podcast
and media and doubles down. so it's really hard to see, you know, from the outside, why she is any different than she has been for most of her public life. >> i want to talk about one person and one place that hasn't been part of this discussion over the last 24 hours or few days that everyone has been so focused on marjorie taylor greene. that's president joe biden and the white house which has very aggressively said we're not going to talk about that. and it seems interesting to me because this is something we saw from the biden campaign, even starting a year ago, right, at the iowa caucuses. joe biden has always seemed this version of joe biden to be playing the long game politically. this is what i'm going to do. i'm going to concentrate on these things. this is what i'm going to be. now that he's president, i just wonder if between impeachment and marjorie taylor greene and all these fights going on, if america is going to wake up, you know, the first week of march with a very big relief package
that gets passed and be like, wow! joe biden did this while everyone else was focused on something else. >> yeah, well, i think he rightly understands two things. one is that the country is very weary of divisiveness being from the white house and he wants to be a unifying figure. he's going to be judged on the basis of how quickly he gets us out of this horrendous crisis with the virus and how quickly he revives this economy. if he delivers something big, that's going to be a huge, huge plus. most americans are not talk about marjorie taylor greene. most americans are talking about how and when we're going to get out of this virus and when they can get out of their homes, when they can get their jobs back, whether they can revive their businesses. that is the -- that is the kitchen table talk of most americans. biden understands that, and he's keeping his eye focused on that.
and he's right to do so. and he'll be rewarded politically if he does. but it's also the right thing to do. >> i thought it was interesting in that phone call that he had with democrats where he said, i'm not going to start my administration by breaking a promise to the american people. if he's going to deliver those 1400, he thinks he's going to deliver, he plans to deliver those $1400 relief checks to americans. >> yes. and he'll do it, and he'll do it with masterful legislative, you know, command. and part of that will be that this package will be different than the one that he introduced. there will be some concessions made. not so much to get republican votes, although i'm sure he'd like to have them but to keep his caucus together. joe manchin has raised some issues that need to be addressed. so biden, you know, spent 36 years in that body. he knows a few things. and i think he -- meeting with republicans was the right thing to do.
he will -- there will be some concessions, but not major concessions. and this package will pass through reconciliation is my guess. and it will largely be intact. and that will be a big win for him in the first months of his administration. >> david axelrod, thank you very much. great to see you. more americans, meanwhile, are cooking indoors, in their own houses, not going out during the pandemic. in this week's human factor, dr. sanjay gupta introduces us to a food blogger who learned the connection between food and mental health 11 years after nearly taking his own life. >> i think my earliest memory of feeling depressed and anxious was when i was in the fifth grade. in our household, we kept family things to ourselves. i didn't feel like i had an outlet. >> in his late 20s, he lost his job and lost his girlfriend. >> i decided it was time to end
my life. i researched how to cut my wrist and i had drawn sharpie marks on my arms. >> reporter: he believes a random call from a former counselor saved his life. >> i started to tell her what i was feeling. i never unpacked that before with anybody. >> reporter: ultimately, medicine and exercise made kevin feel better. but it wasn't enough. he needed to change his diet to improve his state of mind for the long term. >> you can never outtrain a poor diet. if i was going to make significant change it had to start in the kitchen. so i started to cook. >> reporter: kevin posted his dishes online. >> i started my blog in august 2012. i began to grow. that's what created fit men cook. a global community of people dedicated to living healthier and happier lives. >> reporter: today kevin uses social knmedia to promote bette health through food. he's also published his own cookbook, but his biggest
accomplishment is simply being alive. >> i'm so happy that at the end of the day, with all that's gone on, that i am still here. >> what a wonderful story. and that food looked fantastic. >> i'm so hungry. >> i want to be a fit man. i'm going to go on to that website. we're moments away from hearing from president biden. he's going to address the national prayer breakfast this morning. cnn's coverage continues, next. >> the headline, you want to be a fit man. >> i do. we made usaa insurance for members like martin. an air force veteran made of doing what's right, not what's easy. so when a hailstorm hit, usaa reached out before he could even inspect the damage.
voting on something kevin mccarthy refused to do. that is to strip marjorie taylor greene of her committee assignments, including the education committee. this morning we're no closer to understanding exactly where the party stands, what direction it's headed in. here's why. republicans voted to keep congresswoman liz cheney in her leadership spot, number three in the party in the house, even after she voted to impeach the former president trump. and at the same time leaders in the party chose not to punish in any way a congresswoman who peddles a series of dangerous conspiracy theories. just a reminder, here's a saemping. she denies that terrorists attacked the pentagon. she claims the parkland school shooting in which children died was somehow faked. she has even shared the idea that a giant space laser caused the california wildfires. she is and remains a member of the house education committee. >> that's right. cheney at times was berated. cheney berated by her colleagues last night at th