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it should give the senators pause that this was about stopping the peaceful transfer of power. that is different from riots in portland and in seattle. it's different. >> indeed, it is. we'll have much more ahead on the trump impeachment trial. anderson cooper continues coverage right now . revealed aud yoet of the assault and house impeachment managers tried to make it as hard as possible for senate republicans to acquit the former president, whether they succeed in securing
conviction remains unclear but will shape or define how future generations remember the 40th president of the united states. we want to warn you what you will hear is some profanity in some of the new material and see at large the january 6th, audio the house managers played calling for help as their positions were being over run. >> we're taking rocks and bottles and spraying the crowd. >> we've lost the line! we've lost the line! all of p.d. pull back up to the
upper deck. all of p.d. pull back to the upper deck asap! upper deck! upper deck! i repeat 1033. we've lost the line. we lost the line. those weren't american soldiers serving in a war overseas with an enemy, foreign enemy entering past their lines. those were american police officers being attacked by americans spurred on by the president. police were trampled that day, beaten, one was nearly crushed to death. yet, despite being out numbered and over run, the bravery cannot be over stated and we saw that today time and time again in videos. impeachment manager stacy showed new video of officer eugene goodman, here he is running as the mob enters the capitol and encounters mitt romney and puts him out of harm's way and he
went to another floor where you'll recall he lured and confronted a crowd, a mob away from the senate chamber up a flight of stairs. >> you know how close you came to the mob. some of you, i understand, could hear them. but most of the public does not know how close these rioters came to you. as you were moving through that hallway, i paced it off. you were just 58 steps away from where the mob was amassing and police were rushing to stop them. they were yelling. >> also seen for the first time this video of senators being evacuated from the chamber, again, just moments and not more than steps ahead of the mob. the managers also showed newly revealed video of the moment vice president pence, his family, his entourage are taken
to a safe location at 2:26 p.m. the vice president fleeing for his life. two minutes later at 2:24 his boss, the man he had been slavishly loyal to for more than four years was attacking him on twitter as a crowd of his follower was chanting hang pence. searching for house speaker nancy pelosi whom the attackers were also trying to find. capitol police managed to evacuate pelosi, some of her staffers had to shelter in place. you see them rushing to the conference room now frayed. this video is the first time we saw that video today. they barricaded the inner door with furniture and hid a table while outside one of the rioters breaks open just minutes later that outer door having already broken into a another portion of the office complex. impeachment manager stacy showed the video of one pelosi staffer speaking on the phone whispering as you hear thumping on the door in the background.
it was with audio and video like that house managers set to drive home what republican senators do not seem willing to face. that this was their workplace that was invaded. there lives on the line and lives were lost that day. house manager eric swalwell tried to make that point as he showed video of one of the attackers and video what house members were going through steps aw away. >> at 2:43 p.m. ashli babbot tried to climb through a house window, to protect the members in the lobby an officer discharged his weapon and she was killed. i want to warn the next video that shows her death is graphic.
>> out of fear that they'd be seen or taken by the mob, my colleagues were telling each other to take off their congressional pins. that buzzing sound that you hear in the back -- >> agitated was all of the above. the question remains was it enough to persuade republican senators to convict? more from jeff zeleny that's been at the capitol all day. you were watching the reaction of republican senators to what they were hearing and seeing. we weren't able to see it because maybe you can explain why, wasn't our doing, the negotiations decided by the sen senate. >> reporter: right, the rules of the senate were not changed for this. senators are not seen in this proceeding. think of it as a criminal trial where cameras are not allowed. a sketch artist is drawing sketches of the senators and a hand full of reporters are able to sit in and watch the senators. we saw a variety of remepublica
senators not paying attention but when the sound was playing from the police radio, which really is a new sound track to this, people were paying attention to a person, senators were listening and paying attention. now it on open question if it changed any minds. we've been speaking with senators after, you know, the breaks and coming out and to a person they're shaken by it, lisa murkowski of alaska is likely to vote to convict said she's troubled by this, reliving this once again. senator mitt romney, as well. we saw that video there of him being redirected by officer goodman and anderson, we know officer eugene goodman who was the hero of that day, one of the many heroes of that day, he i'm told was sitting in the senate chamber watching these proceedings. senator rob portman, republican of ohio walked up to him and fist bumped each other and thanking him for his service. in fact, saving many of the
senators and likely the vice president as well. that may have been the most shocking part of the video, seeing how close the vice president was to actually coming face-to-face with though -- the rioters. >> seeing how close these armed attackers, some with zip ties got to lawmakers who are now the jurors in the trial. i just can't imagine them sitting there watching this and not feeling a sense of horror and i mean, i guess, just politics. you can't look at that and not just be horrified. >> no question about it particularly because quite literally is the scene of the crime. some of the desks were ransacked by the rioters on the senate floor but we have to keep in mind this is an impeachment which is essentially a political trial here so at the end of the day, it is unlikely that many republican senators change their
mind because they do not believe based on the reporting so far that the president actually directed and caused this but anderson, this is not just about convicting president trump or acquitting him. it also a trial for history. democrats are very much aware of the fact that this is an uphill battle to convict. they need 17 republican senators to convict. what this is doing is steeping that day into the historical record books in a way it absolutely would not have been if there was not this impeachment proceeding. no question it changes the legacy of this president and how he is viewed whether he's convicted or not. >> jeff zeleny. appreciate it. joining us one of the jurors, independent senator. thanks very much for being with us at the end of a long day. you were canat the capitol. sitting there today watching video after video of what happened krowatching what happe.
ted cruz doesn't think it adequately connects the former president to the attack to prove he committed high crimes and misdemeanors, do you believe the former president is to blame and should be convicted? >> i refer my friend ted cruz to our old law school. we went to different law schools together i would say and ask him the question but for? that's the question law professors ask. would it have happened but for? i don't see how any of this would have happened but for donald trump's actions. starting before the election to delegitimize the election, the only way i can lose if it's a fraud, rigged from the period after the election all the way through to january 6th inviting people there. it was clear that the whole purpose of that rally was to stop the count. january 6th wasn't chosen as a random date. that's the date set for the congress to certify the final results of the election. so i don't see how you can
answer that question and say what if donald trump had conceded graciously at the end of november and said we'll live to fight another day, i'll run in four years, would that have happened and i don't think there is much doubt it wouldn't have. it was -- he was -- his hand prints were on this beginning to end. >> if the crowd had caught mike pence, if the crowd caught and killed mike pence, would that make any difference in terms of the vote in this among those republican senators? >> you know, i've wondered that and i don't think there is much doubt you saw that video of that crowd. they were in a frenzy and people do things when they are in a frenzy they wouldn't do otherwise and i think they would have killed him or nancy pelosi. would that have mattered? i think so. it shouldn't because the offense is the same. five people died. one of them wasn't the vice president. but they were human lives, as
well. and i think one of the most damming parts of the day was the last part where they went through minute by minute of what the president did or in fact didn't do during the afternoon, during the riot that was going on in the capitol. he never said stop. in a lot of his tweets earlier, you know, months earlier, he said stop the steal. stop the rigging. stop -- he knew how to say stop but he never did in the midst of this dangerous riot and in fact, when they were going after mike pence and he had to know mike pence was a target. it was in danger. he tweeted an attack on mike pence. i thought that the passage of that afternoon and what he did and didn't do was really one of the most damming parts of the entire day. >> of course, the first time he did speak that day, he said he loved the people who did this, they were very fine people, very
special i should say. the former president's legal team is expected to argue the house impeachment mangers were glorifying in the insurrection. does that make any sense to you other than just grasping at straws? >> no, i mean, the violence happened and the film is the film and we know that it happened. i mean, we were here. this is a very odd trial, anderson, that's taking place before 100 people who were witnesses in the midst of the crime scene. the senate floor was part of the crime scene. so everybody knows what happened, and we've seen the film. the other thing that came through to me, anderson, what was a close call this was. it was a close call physically for the senators, for the staff, for the people in the capitol, certainly for the capitol police. it could have been -- it was within a few feet of being a really even worse catastrophe
but also, anderson, it was a close call for democracy and that's what really this case is all about. this case is all about are we going to be a country that abides by elections and has a peaceful transfer of power? one of the things they did mention in 1961 and2001, we had two vice presidents that lost the election who certified the person who beat them. nixon and gore. they were in pence's seat and certified the election that they had lost. now, you know, that's the way this country is supposed to work. this is the first time in american history we had this kind of deliberate efforts to undermine the results of an election in every level, intimidating local officials, legislators, frivolous lawsuits and finally, a riot designed to stop the counting of the electoral votes. >> one of the house managers early in the day said something
that stuck with me. she talked about 9/11 and 20 years ago and that -- on that day there was a plane headed for the capitol and the passengers on that plane stopped it. 44 passengers on that plane rushed the cockpit to take the aircraft against the terrorists and the plane crashed in shanksville, pennsylvania and we honor them every year as we should but the sacrifice that, you know, several dozen people were willing to make for people they didn't know in the capitol and for -- but for the capitol itself. for the white house. for washington d.c. itself. and the sacrifice made by the police officers, some of whom were no doubt supporters of president trump. they were there doing their duty and that -- >> to defend. to defend the capitol. those people -- >> yeah, and these attackers rifled through the desks of some
of the republican senators sitting there watching this and they're not going to do anything about it to defend the capitol. >> well, the only -- the other thing that occurred to me is that our democracy in some ways was saved by republican officers like the fellow up in michigan, the republican certifier of the election, you know, that republican officials around the country, the legislators from pennsylvania and michigan that refused the president's and treaties to reopen the election, the governor of georgia all republicans and i'm thinking about well, this room is full of republicans. what's the difference between the secretary of the state of georgia and my colleagues in the room today? he was willing to step up and say, you know, this is wrong and he did his duty and i think in someways he's one of the heroes of this whole thing. i hope that my friends across
the aisle will channel him and think about and think about those people as you pointed out who literally gave their lives to save the united states capitol and i just, again, to go back to your very first question, you know, well, this was just a crowd that happened to be here and bad guys and they broke into the capitol. that just ignores all the context and the involvement of donald trump going back even before the election and i think today's case was very strong. now, i haven't heard the defense yet. they're going to have their time in court and they're going to be able to make their case but i thought today was pretty powerful and particularly in light of the fact that the very people in that room were threatened by these actions. >> senator king, appreciate your time. thank you, sir. >> thank you. reaction from the president and the defendants. kaitlan collins is at the white house and jim acosta is outside
mar-a-lago. jim, this video played by the house managers showing vice president pence and his family being whisked away as the mob was within 100 feet of where he and his family was shelt reringn place. the president just tweeted against the vice president adds insult and even more horror to it. do we know what the former president had any reaction to that or the rest of today's proceedings? >> reporter: anderson, at this point what we're hearing is the former president believes he is going to be acquitted in all of this and resting that on the fact and i think we can call it a fact at this point we're not going to see enough republicans to vote to convict the former president of inciting this insurrection but what i'm hearing from my sources anderson, donald trump still does not feel any remorse for what happened on january 6th, as incredible or perhaps as believable as that sounds and one of the awful aspects of this
he is not remorseful about is what happened to vice president mike pence. when you see that footage of the vice president at the time and his family being whisked away by the secret service, it's an affirmation what i heard from pence aids they were furious with donald trump because he was sending out the tweets. first of all, he was trying to strong arm the vice president to overturn the election results and then he suddenly sent him off to the lions when he was up on capitol hill there to preside over the official counting of the electoral votes and, you know, when you talk to pence people to this day, they are still just furious about that and by in large because of that tweet that you just mentioned, anderson, as the vice president was in danger and as he wasb being whisked away or around that time the president was going away on twitter. talking to the trump supporters that day and hearing from the trump supporters that day, they were paying attention to just
about everything donald trump was tweeting at that time. >> caikaitlan collins, is there response from the white house? >> reporter: not really. they're trying to keep their distance from what is happening. you can't be that removed from it because of course, president biden is in a remarkable and historical situation where it's his first 100 days in office and dealing with the impeachment trial of predecessor and not affecting his agenda but it is even down to his schedule. look tomorrow he has a meeting with a bipartisan group of senators in the oval office at 10:00 a.m. that's two hours before day three will get started. it really is the sense that donald trump and this trial are really hanging over everything in washington and that includes the white house and the agenda that they are trying to push through. so they've tried to not answer on it yesterday president biden told me that was the last time he was going to comment on it for now as he said all he had to say on impeachment, but whether or not he gets asked when he is sitting with the very audience tomorrow that will have to vote in a few days whether to acquit
or convict donald trump it remains to be seen. >> jim, former vice president pence was the focus as we talked about a lot today. as of now, there is no sign of witnesses being called. if they were called, would pence possibly join as a witness in this trial? seems unlikely. >> reporter: it is unlikely and we're told by our sources anderson we should not expect that to happen and the vice president, former vice president wants to lay low and get through all of this but make no mistake, you know, the vice president's relationship with donald trump is still damaged. i talked to a source familiar with this relationship earlier this evening that said they have not patched up this relationship that at the time when they had this long conversation about what happened on january 6th, they essentially just decided to try to get to january 20th and hand off the white house to the incoming president at the time joe biden. not that we are going to, you know, cry a river over the relationship between the former
vice president and the former president but anderson, you were just talking about this earlier, how this is all going to stand when it comes to history, the fact that the president of the united states would put his vice president in that kind of position, no matter what the relationship was like in the past, it's staggering to think about to this day, to see that video which encapsulated what donald trump was doing to mike pen pence at that time. >> staggering but not surprising. kaitlan collins, jim accost to, th thank you. let get perspective from our guests, cnn legal analyst that took part in the first impeachment and laura coats a former federal prosecutor. ross, i know earlier today you said you watched the impeachment managers presentations from someone that is undecided. day two, how do you see things? >> yes, i'm actually watching it from perspective of somebody who defended impeachments.
and yesterday i thought the managers did a terrific job. today i thought they also did just an amazing job of weaving together facts and emotion and videotape and audio and all of those things and, you know, yesterday was about legal things, jurisdiction and first amendment. today was stripping it away. this isn't a technically legal proceeding. it's constitutional proceeding. and i dare anybody to watch the presentation that they put on today and not feel moved. anybody who cares about the country, who cares about the cap t toll, who has family members they can picture in that building. and one of the things the managers did skillfully is they made clear, tried to make clear this isn't a partisan issue. they had video of staffers in danger. they had video of police
officers we don't know if the police officers are democrats or republicans, we don't know. they have video of romney being saved by a police officer and pence being escorted out of the building. the managers did a very, very good job laying that out in a non-partisan way. way tonight see what trump has to say about this and what his legal team's response is but today flgs a home run for the managers. >> i think it was, too. to me, it was like watching crime and it was peeling back this project of donald trump who claimed he's the demagogue saying there was a rigged election then he was someone trying to convince election officials they ought to lie about this election and who won for example in the state of georgia with brad and then it was about the transfer mansion
of this demagogue and into somebody who for whom winning was so important that he could not bring himself to criticize the people who were invading the capitol and threatening the lives of his vice president and speaker of the house and instead, thanked them and as congressman castro said on january 6th, trump left everyone in the capitol for dead. and when you have that picture in your mind and you've seen the videos and you understand that donald trump is somebody who tweets 50 times a day at least at that point and he was silent for hours while this was going on, you have to raise a question about did he want it to happen? and would it have ever happened without him and without his lies and the answer to that is no. >> laura, i mean, they really
laid out not only chronology of events but how the president reacted to the events or as much as they could. >> this was as much about what he did as what he didn't do. the actions he took in preparation for january 6th as what he chose knot to do during the actual insurrection, i mean, imagine a president knowing the legislative branch is under attack and he waits, sits idly by and does nothing and makes telephone calls to ask how to vote on a largely ceremonial certification. that's not somebody honoring their duty in office and a high crime misdemeanor is not about tieing it specifically to a particular crime in the criminal code but it's about the misbehaviors of an elected official in the executive branch and surely, under any criteria, a president watching their congress being under attack and doing nothing, that's certainly a high crime and misdemeanor.
>> in fact, let's play the first video we saw of the president, which was still during while there were folks attacking the capitol. this was hours into it, tlet's watch. >> this was a fraud election. we can't play into it. go home. we love you. you're very special. you've seen what happens. you've seen the way others are treat that are so bad and so evil. i know how you feel. >> do those words have more meaning now? >> they absolutely do. that's saying that a boy, good for you. let me hedge and do a cya video here but really, i'm giving you a wink and nod you're doing the right thing. i know how you feel. the idea of calling people evil, the very people they have tried to now attack they are scurrying
away with the capitol police, the notion that the president is saying these things and obviously intentionally aloof there is actually extraordinary violence going on. this say continuation that representative did well but when they say the president of the united states uses winks and nods, the affirmation and patriot being code word for you're doing what i'd like you to do for me. that is turning the commander in chief into somebody that commands a mob. >> one coming back to if this was any other grown up or black americans assaulting the capitol or muslim americans assaulting the capitol is that the message the president would have put out afterward, you're special people? i love you? >> of course not. you would have seen with the reality of america, you would have seen hundreds of hashtags that proceed the names of black americans in this country and those are the ones who stayed at
the rally and didn't become insurrectionists. the idea that we saw the distinction between how the police treated and again, they were out numbered. i'm not going to minimize the notion that they were out numbered. they were out gunned. they had gallows. they could not defend and repel the attack but you see here what the president affirms as appropriate behavior and who he decides and designates are the appropriate patriots and as long as they're trying to act in the interest of the preservation of his power as opposed to those who are actually in many instances legitimately commenting on abuses of power, i mean, it is surreal to continue to want this and every time i saw this anderson, today, my stomach tied in knots and i said to myself the question jamie raskin asked, is this america? it was that day and it might still be. >> also, you know, norm, with proceeded this was shown very clearly today. you know, one of the events
which kind of has gotten lost in this is the assault on the m michigan state house by armed, a lot of the same folks in tactical gear are armed, streaming, getting the face of law enforcement, screaming to apprehend legislators in michigan. again, the president praised them as great people as patriots. >> it is the same attitude as was events in that video not the commander in chief, the insurrectionests in chief. here is the challenge, anderson. we've fallen into a dangerous divide in our democracy and these house managers and that trial team are heroes of democracy. they know it is going to be very tough to -- it shouldn't be but it is going to be very tough to persuade republicans to be loyal to the constitution and to our democracy in the senate instead of to the insurrectionists in chief.
they're arguing to them as ross pointed out skillfully with people that they like but they're arguing to the country, anderson, because that is where the ultimate solution lies. >> maybe they have a couple more tricks up their sleeve. it seems to me they have to tell us what the president was doing for those five hours. did he know for example that the vice president's life was being -- >> it does have communications. >> of course. >> the secret service can't say where is the vice president right now. >> right. >> the vice president's life is in danger. these are questions that might be answered because then it would show you that he was completely not doing his job. >> we haven't heard anything from the president's team. >> yeah. >> other than sort of this kind of general hey, no, he was working on stuff and that is what i'll be looking for. >> you heard a lie because in the brief they said the president was concerned. he was not concerned. that we know for sure today.
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there is breaking news on the death of brian sicknick. investigators are pointing to leads with the help of video. evan perez joins us with details. what is the video authorities unco uncovered show? >> this narrows suspects they believe they can focus on. that's down to a hand full of suspects and that's tremendous progress, actually, because we know that the investigators have been struggling to build a federal murder case in this investigation. there has been just very little to go on and, you know, there is
so much video that you've seen obviously, but trying to see the moment that something happened to officer sicknick that could be used as the cause of death, used in a murder investigation, that's a lot. so we heard today from some of the video, some of the harrowing video and audio we heard in the impeachment trial, you hear some of the audio from officers saying they were getting sprayed with bear spray. that is a theory or leading theory that investigators are working on right now, anderson. they believe officer sicknick was sprayed with an irritant and that caused him to collapse later on at his office. he was rushed to the hospital and died the following day. this is still a very difficult, very complex case. but this represents some real progress they believe this video shows a limited number of suspects that they can work with and again, this remains a top, top priority for investigators
trying to figure out who could be charged in this murder. >> so he actually collapsed later on after -- >> yeah -- >> -- he was at his office? do we know more about that? >> right. so the -- he is attacked at the capitol. he goes back to his office, and that's when he is overcome by something, and collapses and then he's rushed to the hospital and he dies the following day. so that's the timeline that the investigators are working on. again, if there was anything indicating, you know, anything that shows the attack by now they would have charged somebody. so that's been -- that's been part of the difficulty for investigators. if you remember, anderson, early on there was stories and reports that they thought perhaps he was hit over the head with a fire extinguisher. that is not true. investigators have determined that is not so. again, that's what is so difficult about this case. it a top priority for investigators and they believe
they will get and figure out and be able to bring charges. >> hold on. i want to play you the audio you're referencing where you hear a police officer talking about the bear spray. let's play that. >> we're still taking rocks, bottles and pieces of glass. the crowd is using bear spray against us. they have bear spray in the crowd. bear spray in the crowd. >> we've lost the line! we've lost the line! p.d. pull back up to the upper deck. pull back.
pull back, we've lost the line. >> we've lost the line. the new video, do you know where it came from and is there video that hasn't been gone through or taking time to analyzing the video they have? >> yeah, i think that's the case. there is a lot of video and i think one of the things that happens is there are hours after video at this point the investigators have been going through, anderson and sometimes you go back over things and you see things that you perhaps did not see before. placed into context of additional information and that's my understanding of what has happened here and, you know, if you listen to video, what i'm told happened again from people who were there was that, you know, the attackers had better equipment in some cases, they had better sprays like the officers obviously have pepper spray and things they can control the crowd. some of these people came with
what people describe as industrial strength pepper spray and bear spray, things that sprayed longer distance so they could launch from a further distance at these officers. that's what they were dealing with in addition to the hand to hand combat you heard about. >> what is also interesting, inch p impeachment managers showed the person who had his feet up on nancy pelosi's desk and he actually had what authorities say was a very strong taser which is obviously something we saw a lot of people there. evan perez, appreciate it. in the wake of what the senate saw and heard, there is praise tonight for the officers who defended the capitol bravely. we we played this video at the top of the program. it's remarkable and horrific to watch. the officer involved is recovered and well. here is another look at the security video showing eugene
goodman leading mitt romney indicating to get to safety. romney said tonight he had no idea he was that close to the rioters and didn't know it was officer goodman until he saw the video and wanted to thank him. romney was seen talking with goodman. with me to talk about the steering images we su taw todayd images, the chief of the washington d.c. police and cnn law enforcement analyst and deputy director of the fbi. with everything laid out like today, capitol police officer eugene goodman, warning romney to head back and officers using their bodies to barricade doors so rioters couldn't breakthrough, how much worse could that day have been if it wasn't for the actions of those law enforcement officers? some of them, you know, all alone standing up to crowds. >> you know, anderson, there is no bottom to how bad that day could have gotten and there is absolutely no question that that kind of spiral towards violence
and who knows, death and destruction was stopped by the heroic actions of those folks, those men and women, the officers from capitol police and npd on the scene that day. we've had a lot of questions about how did law enforcement handle intelligence prior to the attack and were the proper precautions put in place? those are good questions we need to have answered but let's put that aside and honor the men and women that saved the lives of those lawmakers and in several cases their family members by simply throwing themselves into the fire. it was remarkable, remarkable thing to watch and really harrowing. >> chief ramsey, we're reporting president trump's legal team plans to or is considering to argue that democrats glorified violence today by showing all the videos in a chronological order essentially recreating minute by minute as much as
possible the attack on the capitol. is that what you saw today, glorifying violence? >> no, it was simply what took place. it not golorifying violence. that's heard at the united states capitol and no ignoring it. i couldn't agree any more with andrew and his comments around the hero wisdom of the police. when they laid it out the way they did in a timeline and showed the video, both video from inside the capitol that i haven't seen before as well as video from outside the capitol over an extended period of time, you can see what they were up against. it's absolutely remarkable. i've been in policing a long time. i was in active service of 47 years and started the vietnam war was taking place when i started and you had protests associated with the vietnam war, which got pretty bad at times.
this rivals anything that i have seen in my career and my hat is off to the men and women of both those departments that fought to try to protect those inside the capitol and had they not done that, i hate to say it but i do believe we may have lost some of our elected leaders that day because some in that crowd really had some very violent intentions apparently. >> andrew, the scene we're looking at now of them trying to get in entrance of the capitol, one of the law enforcement officers earlier in the day in a video was quoted, one of the law enforcement officers dragged into the crowd had items taken off his person. they were trying to get his gun, as well. he described it almost like a siege and battle from the middle ages and from this vantage point and the police officer's body cam footage, it really is this almost battle between these crowds in close quarters and it
goes on for hours. >> for hours anderson. can you imagine the terror of being traged into that crowd losing your defensive weapons and just thinking like am i going to live to see the other end of this thing? it was terrifying to watch on television. i can't imagine what it was like for those folks to go through it and they got up and stood back in the line and they took that beating and did their job for hours and hours and hours and the presentation today wasn't a gl glorification of that. we go into court and present the evidence and truth and that's what they did today. it may have been a hard truth for republicans to watch but probably a good one for them to see. >> yeah, we should feel a sense of shame about what happens and
certainly those who are responsible should as well and should see what happened. charles ramsey, andrew mccabe, thanks very much. more on what the house managers presented and the evidence in the record and dan rather joins us when we return. ♪ ♪ yesterday's thinking is done new ideas we have a ton so keep pushing forward toward a better world for everyone. make a different future start different at godaddy.com
the case brought by house impeachment managers today is important not only to the trial of the former president but how history will judge him as well. in the words of one manager, the goal was to show the mob was summoned and assembled by the president of the united states. joined by dan rather who has seen more than his share of historic moments. he's also the co-author of "what unites us, reflections on patriotism" and now has a newsletter available called steady. dan, thanks so much for being with us. what is your reaction to the trial so far? >> well, thank you, anderson. always good to be with you. you know, it's a mixture of being mad, being angry, at the same time being sad that our country has to go through this. but you know, the evidence is
overwhelming. there's absolute clarity. this was an armed insurrection that happened at the capitol on january 6th. it was much more serious, much more violent than we realized at the time, when we thought at the time it was very violent. and sad to say, it was incited by the president of the united states. now, it is true that the president's defense attorneys began presenting their case very soon, but it's not a rush to judgment to say this evidence is so overwhelming that we have to move to the question of where is the conscience of the republican senators? you know, i recognize that most people think there's no chance at all that they would convict president trump, and that may turn out to be the case, but this is a classic profile in courage opportunity. it's a matter, an hour of decision for conscience for these senators.
they know, every single one of them knows this is not the america we want. and they also know that if we don't move to stop it now, it will be the america that we become. and so it's a critical time. you know, anderson, with god's grace, i have been around for a long time. and never have i been quite as worried about the country as i am now. i'm an optimist. i think we'll get through this, particularly if we can make the right decisions. but in the two occasions before where i worried about the country, at the start of world war ii when it looked like the nazis and japanese were going to be conquerors, and then immediately in the wake of 9/11. but those threats were external threats. they brought our country to a crisis point from the outside. this we're doing to ourselves. so the evidence is clear, we have the proof. we have the clarity. what we need now is the reckoning and the
accountability. and we need the justice that will ring forward for generations far ahead of us. that this cannot stand. this is not the country we want to become. once we get there, then we can start on trying to reunite ourselves again. but efforts at unification are not going to go very far unless we bring this around to the conclusion that at least we decide whatever we decide with president trump, that we decide this cannot stand. we cannot let this continue. we cannot let it happen again. >> i'm haunted by the voice we heard, the police officer calling for re-enforcements and telling his fellow officers to fall back, and he repeated, we lost the line, we lost the line. that's something you hear, you know, you think about vietnam and, you know, foreign enemy getting inside through american lines. and inside the wire. this wasn't a foreign enemy. this was american police
officers. it was american people who called themselves patriots, and called themselves, you know, believers in law and order and supporters of the police, attacking police. >> well, it is true, that line is a haunting line. they're inside the line. anybody who has been in the military or in law enforcement will recognize how haunting that line can be. but here's the thing. this happened before. a version of this happened in michigan, if you recall. and we didn't -- we as a people, as a country, didn't stop it then. >> the president praised that at the time. >> and it will happen again if we don't stop it now. >> and the president praised what happened in michigan at the time. he tweeted about, you know, the people who went in with long guns, were screaming at police officers, screaming at lawmakers in michigan. and he was praising them for what they did. >> well, there you are. that's why i say we have
clarity. we have proof that the president was involved in inciting what happened on january 6th. >> you tweeted that this is the trial that republicans truly feared. how so? because from the rhetoric, many of the republican senators so far who are clearly just worried about getting elected again and worried about trump's hold on the party, they don't sound that concerned. >> no, their fear was that more and more americans were going to see actually what happened. and it was going to be embedded in the public's mind. that's their fear. now, they have even more to fear because of the people who watch this there can't be any doubt. i agree with you, their greatest fear now is their own personal political future. they're not putting country first. they're putting their party first, and putting their own political futures first. but history will judge them very, very badly. >> yeah. you think -- and also, you know, when you see the loyalty that mike pence had to this
president, i don't -- and how the president just tossed him aside, was tweeting about him, against him while he was under threat, i don't understand the loyalty that some of these republicans have to the former president, because he will turn on them on a dime. he's already insulted many of them or their wives in the past. >> you know, anderson, you put your finger on one of the great mysteries to me. i don't know how any republican who is staying loyal to president trump could do so in light of what president trump has done with vice president pence. for the exact reasons you say. the way the president has treated pence, given how loyal pence has been, is absolutely, you know, it's beyond my understanding. and it certainly is not something to be admired, to say the least. >> dan rather, i appreciate your time. it's great city you again. you take care. >> thank you. thank you, anderson. >> as you heard dan say, one of the big questions now is what republicans will do next.
he said connecting trump to the far right group the proud boys was, quote, absurd. video played by the house impeachment managers showed a rioter calling the vice president a treasonous kid. graham also called the house case hypocritical. he said hypocrisy is pretty large for these people. and he said riters once came to his house. also the house of the fellow republican senator susan collins, and no word that they rioted in the house, but i guess he said people came to outside the house. he seemed to indicate somehow that that exonerates the president. when asked if he thought that was the direction the former president's defense should take, he said, oh, yeah. he then said that if he were on the former president's defense team, the house impeachment managers would be in serious trouble, quote, i would eat them alive. >> lindsey graham. another historic day on capitol hill. quick programming note, we'll be back live at 11:00 p.m. eastern with a special edition of 360. news continues. i'll hand it over to chris.
>> i'm chris cuomo, and welcome to prime time. predictable and foreseeable. that's what house managers argue january 6th was. and they showed new footage of a near massacre, way worse than we knew. they showed clearly what should now be obvious. trump baited anger with lies about the election for a long time. he brought people on january 6th by design to a rally premised on a lie that the election was stolen. once there, he stirred up that same crowd with inflammatory talk about how to fight back at the capitol. and then they did that and only that. that was the case today. jurors were shown what you're watching now. new surveillance from the