tv Anderson Cooper 360 CNN February 10, 2021 8:00pm-9:00pm PST
good evening. if senate republicans really want to exonerate the 45th president of the united states, they'll have to close their eyes a lot. more tonight than ever, after they were confronted with a minute by minute picture of it all. a new column tonight says that those who vote to acquit the former president will now own it all. more reporting on what senators are signaling they'll do. but first, jeff zeleny on what
they saw today. >> reporter: the rioters on the hunt for mike pence. and images revealed of the secret service detail rushing him out, barely escaping the mob. >> you can see vice president pence and his family quickly moved down the stairs. the vice president turns around briefly as he's headed down. you can hear the mob calling for the death of the vice president of the united states. >> reporter: on the other side of the capitol, the target was speaker nancy pelosi. >> nancy, oh, nancy! where are you, nancy? >> the capitol police deemed the threat so dangerous that they evacuated her entirely from the capitol complex. rushing her to a secure, o off-site location. we know from the rioters
themselves, if they had found speaker pelosi, they would have killed her. >> reporter: this never before seen video from both inside and outside the capitol lay out in the greatest detail yet the timeline of january 6th. officer eugene goodman, saving senator mitt romney, instructing him to turn around. and chuck schumer and his security detail abruptly turning back, after their passage to safety was blocked. the silent security footage unveiled by house prosecutors offered a new perspective of democracy under attack. stacey plaskett helped narrate the chilling images for senators, who were certifying the electoral college vote that
day. and now must decide whether to convict or acquit donald trump. >> they were coming at the urging of donald trump to keep congress, a separate branch of government, from certifying the results of a presidential election. >> reporter: she and other house prosecutors offered a new soundtrack. this time with newly unveiled police radio traffic to show how it escalated. pelosi was taken to safety. the rioters tried to break into a room, pushing again and again before moving on. as members of congress took steps to hide. >> take your pins off. >> pins off. >> it's the other end of that hallway where the mob amassed, and the officers are rushing to protect you. >> reporter: the dramatic presentation was aimed at the jurors, all 100 senators. but it was also for history.
to chronicle the insurrection for the ages. >> because the truth is, this attack never would have happened but for donald trump. and so they came, draped in trump's flag. and used our flag, the american flag, to batter and to bludgeon. >> reporter: jamie raskin called it a plan long in the works for trump and his allies. >> the evidence will be here for you to see and digest. the evidence will show you that ex-president trump was no innocent bystander. >> reporter: trump's own words echoed through the senate chamber, as prosecutors tried to show his intent to incite the riot. >> we're not going to let this election be taken away from us. that's the only way they're
going to win. >> reporter: but once the siege was under way, it was his silence that prosecutors said was damning. >> even when president trump knew his words were damaging, he didn't do anything to stop the crowd. in fact, he did the opposite, he fueled the fire. >> jeff joins us from capitol hill. did anything we saw today move them any closer to proving their case with republicans? >> reporter: there's no question people on both sides were moved by the arguments. republicans found them emotional and compelling. but at tenhe end of the day, ma still say, look, they do not believe that the president actually caused this riot. they're troubled by the riot, they remember what happened in those hours. but even some of the senators
did not realize what was happening in other parts of this building. but there's not a groundswell for convicting him. it appears at this point, it doesn't look like there will be witnesses. but they still have eight more hours to make their case. then the president's lawyers have their turn. >> thank you. now joining us, david axelrod and ann milgrom. ann, how would you describe what you heard today? >> yeah, it was an incredible day. and i think a painful day, to sit back and to watch this. and to really take in the 360 of what happened on january 6th.
up until today, i think i had read a lot about it, i'd seen pictures, but this was the first time it was brought home altogether. and what kept going through my head, anderson, is whati fiona hill said, this was an attempted self-coup, donald trump was trying to stay in power by any means that he possibly could. it was ultimately not successful. but as i watched that today, all i could think was just how close he came, and how much he orchestrated this, as the house managers showed, starting in june and going through january 6th. it was a masterful presentation, but also chilling to watch. >> and senator lindsey graham called the impeachment managers'
legal argument absurd. saying i think there was more votes for acquittal today than yesterday. does that make sense? >> no, graham is a carnival barker for donald trump. but this is different than what anne is accustomed to. this is not a judicial proceeding, and the jurors are partisan politicians, and 44 of them have signaled which way they'll go. so i don't expect that -- i think that the case was devastating today for the reasons that anne said. the description of what happened that day was absolutely riveting and troubling. but really, the case they built
about what donald trump did to provoke that, going back to june and how little he did once the i insurrection was under way, without trying to stop it. especially considering the oath that he took to preserve, protect, and defend the constitution. but i suspect most of the republicans will stay right there. no matter how compelling the final day is, them getting to 17 republicans is highly unlikely. >> and the impeachment managers spent a lot of time praising the actions of republicans like mike pence, william barr, and the georgia election officials, and their role in upholding the election. and the message was, you, too, can do the right thing. they said mike pence did the right thing. he was a patriot. do you think that made for an
effective argument? >> yeah, i actually did think it was effective. i thought one of the things representative swalwell said, first, there were a lot of people at the rally who weren't involved in the insurrection. and then they separated out mike pence from donald trump. this is a conservative, with whom we disagree on a lot of things. but we take the oath to the united states government to protect, and mike pence did the right thing, and donald trump did not when push came to shove. i thought it was effective. and one of the other things that was effective was, the house impeachment managers, they weren't telling people the conclusion to draw. they were telling them and showing them the facts. they showed the picture of mike pence being pulled out to safety with his family. they showed the pictures of the rioters coming in. they showed the tweets that president trump was making and the statements he made on
january 6th. i think it's a really compelling argument, and they also were sending this message of, look, this is one branch of the government, the executive branch, attacking another branch, the united states congress. and i thought it was very effective. >> and with mike pence saying to the republican senators, who are scared to actually vote what i'd say the majority of them actually probably believe, they're scared about not winning re-election, and about being heckled in an airport like lindsey graham was. and that seemed to be enough to get him scuttling back into the embrace of president trump. but they were saying, look, mike pence did this, the republican senators are leaving mike pence out to dry. mike pence did the right thing. he's now persona non grata among the maga crowd. and these senators could have sided with him and done away with trump. but they're not.
>> he's persona non grata with a lot of the republican base. and i've said this many times, there's a reason profiles in courage was a thin volume. the natural thing for politicians to do is to do what they need to preserve themselves in office and in power. there's a tremendous amount of fear among republicans that if they oppose the president and vote to convict him and disqualify him from public office, that they'll face a backlash among republican primary voters in their states. and most of them are not going to be willing to do that. and i give a lot of credit to those who are. the history of impeachments are that very few stray from their own party. the ten in the house, the six who voted yesterday, they
deserve an enormous amount of credit. it is courageous. if you're not risking anything, it's not courageous. they're risking a lot, and doing it anyway. whatever the outcome is, the fact that the nation is watching this very compelling case, and history, of what happened, is really important. this is not an empty exercise. whatever happens at the end, it is important to really understand how it happened, why it happened, and who was responsible. senator murkowski was asked today about the final vote. she's thought to be one who would vote for a conviction. and she said, i don't believe that donald trump can ever get elected president of the united states again. and part of the reason is, because of what is happening in the senate this week. >> david, anne, i appreciate it. next, the congressman and decorated army ranger who was ready to put his life on the
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it was strange today watching a presentation for witnesses to what happened to them a month ago. that was designed solely to remind them what happened a month ago. strange and sad that it was necessary. we remember the smallest moments from decades ago, but republicans needed reminders that their place of work was overrun by people that wanted to murder some of them, or any of them. >> take your pins off. >> yeah. >> what the -- >> take your pins off. >> pins off.
>> taking their pins off. in order to hide from the crowd. one of the voices is that of colorado congressman jason crow, a veteran of foreign and now domestic combat. here he is, trying to comfort another congressperson. and today, you tweeted that today was the first time you saw what was on the other side of the barricaded door on january 6th. what was it like seeing that? >> good evening, anderson. thanks for having me. yeah, it was tough to see. i'm not going to lie here. it was traumatic to live through, and traumatic to watch it again. there was a mob, watching it descend on the capitol, we heard what they were chanting, the words of the president and the
other speakers leading up to the riot, and we knew our lives were in grave danger. but seeing the number of folks, the beatings of the police officers, what they were doing to get their way in, was pretty shocking stuff. and i don't think there's anything more clear than the decision that is before the senators at this point. >> what was the moment like when you and other lawmakers said take your pins off? i'm wondering, what was going through your mind, you know, knowing now what was going on outside the door. you know, you've worked hard for that pin. it's something to be proud of. what was that like? >> we were just trying to figure out what we had to do to survive. that was the bottom line. we knew that we had been cut off, we were surrounded. we had barricaded the doors. there was no way out. many of us called our families, i called my wife and told her i loved her, and asked her to tell
the kids i loved them again. then i hung up, and got back into my combat frame of mind. i went through a checklist, what i had to do. we knew they were trying to get to us, to assassinate us, or capture us. we needed to try to assess the situation. it was horrific, and, you know, i'm glad that this video and all of the stuff that was portrayed today, was portrayed to the american people. they have to understand what happened there. we can't move on, we can't gloss this over. this was one of the darkest days in the history of our democracy. >> one of the things i keep going back to are the radio calls from the capitol and metro police. one of these, i want to play for you. let's listen. >> cruiser 50, we're still
taking rocks, bottles. cruiser 50, the crowd is using munitions against us. they have bear spray in the crowd. bear spray in the crowd. >> dso! dso! i need a re-up! i need a re-up here. we've lost the line. pull back up to the upper back. upper deck. cruiser 50. 10-33. i repeat, 10-33. we've lost the line. >> that phrase, we've lost the line, we've lost the line. your
you're a former army ranger. to hear that from an american policeman, talking about their fellow americans attacking them. >> i want to say a word about courage. some people talk about political courage, exercising courage for a vote. we're not asking the senators to exercise courage, actually. this congress makes decisions and votes all the time to send young men and women to war. some of whom don't come back. i've seen young men give their lives for this country. those officers who threw their bodies into the breach to try to save our lives, there are lots of examples of courage in this country. and what we're asking the senators to do is not that. we're asking them to make what should be a pretty clear decision to fulfill their duties
and obligations. but this is not some big moment of courage to stand up against constituents or risk losing your job, because that doesn't do justice to what courage really means. >> and one of the house managers was pointing out the passengers on 9/11 who took over the plane, who attacked the terrorists in order to protect the capitol. and that is courage as well. congressman crow, thank you so much tonight. i appreciate it. >> yeah, thanks, anderson. there's more to come on what the congressman said about courage. the new images seen, and the heroes who put their bodies on the line so that lawmakers and their staff could be safe.
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the house impeachment managers' case today had footage of police officers giving lawmakers and staff the few precious moments they needed to get to safety. officer eugene goodman is one such hero from that day. today, senator romney expressed his gratitude to goodman. he said he was exhausted by that point, and was nauseated by the amount of tear gas he had inhaled. i'm joined by former capitol
police chief kim dyne. the officers are not just heroes, they're part of the law enforcement family to you. what was it like witnessing these proceedings? >> thank you for having me, anderson. it's been a tough day, a tough month. but to see how organized and premeditated and violent this attack on our democracy was and on our officers, it was hard to watch. >> to see individual officers as we did today in these videos, not just officer goodman but others confront this mob, mobs are really terrifying when you're in the midst of them. and to be confronting them with no backup at times, that's just an extraordinary thing. and i think it's something that i hadn't seen a lot of those videos where it was just one officer trying to stop this
flood of people. >> you know, the united states capitol police is a wonderful department, a very diverse federal department. the women and men there, both sworn and civilian have an immense pride. their mission is clear, they literally protect the people, the place, and the process that makes us the united states, and they take that mission so incredibly seriously. they just exude pride every day. and obviously, they showed that when you see that in these videos, putting their lives on the line to protect the lawmakers and the democratic process. >> yodid you ever imagine a situation, a siege like this? >> i don't think we did. i've been doing this for 41 years. i've worked with a lot of people who have been doing it for that time or even longer. many of us have managed demonstrations with hundreds of thousands of people. but a lot of that is predicated
on at least some agreement of a civilized interaction. obviously, the police in this country, which number about 800,000 to 900,000, were outnumbered by 320 million americans. we don't think about literal assaults like we saw today. it was clearly unique. >> if it weren't for the capitol police, things could have been so much worse. we saw that in such stark reality. not just officer goodman selling senator romney to turn around, distracting them. vice president pence being evacuated to a location with his family. you agree, this could have been much worse, if it wasn't for the officers' actions that day. >> absolutely, it could have been much, much worse. the lawmakers were protected,
but as bad as this was, it could have been much, much worse. the officers know the building, and the entire campus like the backs of their hands. so they knew where to go and what to do. >> we've had some reporting from inside the senate chamber, when eric swalwell was talking, he recited a bible verse, blessed are the peacemakers. we're told that the officer assigned to the gallery had tears in his eyes. what is this like for all members of law enforcement? >> it was an attack on the police department, and my heart goes out to the metropolitan police department, where i spent 27 years. they bravely came and helped save lives as well. i think all of us felt literally
attacked by this, but we're proud of the actions of the women and men of those departments for sure. >> chief dine, i appreciate your time and service. thank you so much. >> thank you, sir. just ahead, a live report from florida on the former president's reaction to the evidence presented today. and the video that showed just how close his former vice president came to the mob. ♪ ♪ (quiet piano music) ♪ ♪ comfort in the extreme. the lincoln family of luxury suvs.
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senate republicans were presented with an array of evidence today, tying president trump's words with the rioters who stormed the capitol. senator ted cruz said a direct link was strikingly absent. >> just remember, what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what is happening. >> for more on the reaction from the former president, we're joined by jim acosta in florida. do we have any indication that the former president has shown -- i don't know why i'm asking this question, i know he hasn't. but remorse, for the dangerous situation former vice president pence was in? >> reporter: no, anderson, none. i talked to one adviser was that what trump wanted to see on
january 6th was a show of force, and that's what he got. according to this adviser, trump saw his supporters out there fighting for him, showing force. the kind of force that he wanted to see on january 6th. no, in recent weeks, he has not been showing any remorse for any of this. but as you said, none of that should surprise any of us. >> one of the former impeachment attorneys was on fox tonight. i'm surprised, i guess he is confident he has plenty of time. given the quality of the defense the other day, you would think you would be studying. but he was on fox, and he said that the house managers were just trying to drum up emotion with the videos they played today. >> reporter: yeah, david schoen was on fox earlier tonight. he was having as much trouble
coming up with a cogent argument on fox news as he was in the senate yesterday. this was essentially what they're going to be arguing when they get their turn at the plate. saying the impeachment managers were trying to drum up emotion, playing to the cameras. i don't know how, you know, you can make an argument like that with some of the video that was being shown. i talked to a source who has been speaking to donald trump since he left office about some of the legal problems he's facing. they described the video shown by the impeachment managers as tragic. to see mike pence rushed out of an area of the capitol by secret service agents, and to see a capitol police officer turn mitt romney around in the nick of time, that's stunning video that the public has not seen before. it's not some parlor trick that the house impeachment managers
were unloading on senators today. it's relevant video, and it gets to their case that none of this would have happened had the president not been out there on january 6th whipping people up into a frenzy and lying about the election results for weeks and weeks. so that's what they're going to be arguing. they're also going to be arguing that, you know, there's, you know, some -- there are some problems on the house manager side. there were trump managers and advisers retweeting videos showing ted lieu or eric swalwell using words like fight like hell. but the difference is, there was no insurrection after those words. there's no equivalence there by
any stretch. and people died. >> it's hard to compare it. lastly, how confident is the former president and his allies that they're still on the path for him to be acquitted? i would imagine, quite confident. >> reporter: yes, they're quite confident. they believe there is no way there will be 17 republicans that will convict the former president in all of this. but i think as you and i were talking about this earlier today, donald trump's problems extend well beyond this senate impeachment trial. he has the very real prospect facing him that he could be brought up on charges of election fraud in georgia. that was announced earlier today. the fulton county prosecutors are looking into, investigating that phone call he had with brad raffensperger, the secretary of
state. and one source said he's co concerned about other potential legal problems as well. he may be able to sail through this without any accountability, but that is hardly the end of his legal problems by any stretch. i think the president knows what is coming, and what may be coming, may be very serious for him outside of the senate impeachment process. >> jim, thanks very much. coming up, reaction to the former president's lawyer saying democrats were just trying to drum up emotion today. we'll be right back.
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. as the senate heads into the third day of the ex-president's second impeachment trial, the question remains what will be the outcome? you've already heard several republican senators cast serious doubts about obtaining what in effect would be a guilty verdict. he thinks five or six republicans would vote to convict. let's get perspective from a usa columnist, and amanda carpenter, former communications director for senator ted cruz. amanda, jim acosta is reporting the former president isn't remorseful at all. are you surprised at all? and could the lack of remorse make it into the impeachment managers' prosecution? >> this is the thing that worries me the most. i think republican senators have the inability to play this tape
forward. they all think that this is donald trump's problem, and they can just acquit him and move on. that's the big mantra, but how will donald trump take this when he is exonerated again? what happens when he starts holding the rallies again very soon? because what the takeaway from this is there are very extreme elements who feel that they have standing in donald trump's republican party, and if there is not accountability exercise, they will exercise the power that they feel that they have, and so i just -- i have a lot of questions. even if the republican senators think that they should acquit donald trump, what are they doing to mitigate the chance of violence in the future? have any of them distanced themselves from the groups that organized that protest? have they taken any kind of measure to denounce those figures? but instead they just said,
well, you know, this can be handled in the criminal courts and not my problem. that's what worries me, anderson. >> i think amanda raises really salient points. it seems the republican senators are in this fantasy that the former president is going to remain in mar-a-lago just, you know, table hopping. he's going to be doing rallies. he's going to be doing everything he can to claw his way back into, you know, prime time news coverage and, you know, make money. i don't understand why these republican senators do not move now to rid themselves of this former president hanging over their heads and tormenting them for the next four years. >> because i think they don't feel like they have the power to do that. i think they feel like he has all the power, and so they have to basically kowtow to him and do whatever he wants and not do anything that will upset him and
not do anything that will upset that base that he has behind him. and so i think that they have put their interest in getting reelected above their interest in what's right, and this idea that we'll let the court system handle it. well, look, the founding fathers obviously understood that there were courts, and they still came up with the idea of impeachment. and so impeachment is for a certain kind of behavior, and is certainly seems that what has occurred is exactly the kind of behavior that you would want to impeach a president over and that you would want to hold people accountable and you'd want to hold the person who actually incited this horrific act that we've been watching, you know, the video of over the last many days including new videos, and every time i watch it i still have to say, wait, this happened. >> yeah. >> you know, it's still so shocking that this actually happened, and that we actually have a president, former president who still has not admitted that he lost an
election. so, you know, there's so many things that he needs to be held accountable for even if this had never happened. >> also, amanda, i agree with what you're saying about how shocking it is. it doesn't seem like a lot of these republican senators find it all this shocking. maybe they feel that the mob wasn't there for them, but i mean, if mike pence had been caught and killed by this mob, would the vote be any different in this trial? i don't know that it would. >> yeah, it's a difficult question to contemplate because i think we know what the answer is. they would say, oh, that's too bad but it's not donald trump's fault. i mean, really what we're witnessing here is such a closing of the republican mind, a complete denialism to the reality that they exist within. i mean, really to hear the reports that these senators are just doodling in their books and
staring off into space while these videos are being played and maybe they're only interested if they can see themselves on the videotape. that's just jarring, but that is really the story of what has happened to republicans under trump's control is that they've just closed off to reality and become so tunnel vision focused on protecting trump and his interests that they failed to see anything and everything around them. >> you know -- >> can we talk about the fact that they don't think that donald trump is responsible for this even though it never would have happened if he hadn't said -- if he hadn't lied about the fact that the election was stolen, but they think democrats are responsible for black lives matter protests, which when there's been violence they have condemned, contrary to what they say. you know, joe biden has condemned when there was violence repeatedly. but nobody at black lives matter protests is carrying a joe biden flag. this was a donald trump inspired
attack by people who were carrying donald trump flags and wearing donald trump hats, right? it's just like -- it's just strange that they don't see like a connection there, but they can draw this connection in the other place even where there's been clear condemnation. >> yeah, kirsten powers, amanda carpenter, i appreciate you being here at the end of a very difficult, long day. thank you. we'll be right back. >> thank you. fights cancer. world blocking the pd-l1 protein, lets the immune system attack, attack, attack cancer. pd-l1 transformed, revolutionized, immunotherapy. pd-l1 saved my life. saved my life. saved my life. what we do here at dana-faber, changes lives everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere. everywhere.
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officers to protect the capitol shown anew. i'll be back tomorrow when day three of the trial begins. we'll go on the air at 11:00 with that. we're not done tonight. the news continues. let's turn things over now to chris cuomo. >> appreciate the effort, great job as always. i am chris cuomo, time to take the baton. welcome to a live late night edition of prime time. special coverage of trump's trial day two. trial two, and it may not be the last. it's midnight here on the east coast. we knew the trump mob got dangerously close to lawmakers on the 6th of january, a day that must live on and in infamy. we knew that they were close to reaching vice president pence, whom some wanted to hang, but we didn't know how close. there are now new videos released by house prosecutors, and they show how this really came within feet of an all-out