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of the capitol police? i know it does a lot of ceremonia things and i appreciate that. everybody has to be taken care of it. but this board and its -- where was the board and how did it function prior to january 6th, and on january 6th? >> so, ma'am, if i could answer that question, as it relates to capitol police, prior to january 6th, i think it is important to note that by statute in order for u.s. capitol police to have the national guard on its grounds in a law enforcement capacity, the capitol police board must first declare an emergency. so in order for us to -- >> the capitol police, your responsibility was to declare an
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emergency before the capitol police board could respond. okay. so by statute, in order for the u.s. capitol police to have the national guards on our grounds, the capitol police board must declare -- >> yes, ma'am. >> was there any emergency declared? of either prior to, the intelligence information that determined that they were coming for the congress and quite frankly in the midst -- what -- where was this board prior to and during this insurrection? >> yes, ma'am. so it is my understanding that chief sund did make the request to the capitol police board to
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declare an emergency. >> when? >> prior to january 6th. >> prior to january 6th? >> yes. >> and the response from the capitol police board was that -- >> the request was denied. >> right. and the issue was, and i don't have all of my quotes in front of me here, but that it was the optics of the national guard being there was that the concern? >> i was not privy firsthand to those conversations. to say whether or not they said optics. but i know the request was denied. >> the request was denied. the request made prior to january 6th that we have national guard on the premise, and that request was denied by
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this board. and it would appear that this board has -- i can't get an -- of when the authority begins and what it is and does it -- rule by fiat, they make a decision and it occurs. mr. blojette. >> yes, ma'am, i believe -- >> you're on the board. >> yes. i'm currently on the board, yes. i was not on the board on january 6th. however, my understanding is it was brought up at the december board meeting. let's go back and check. that chief sund brought up the national guard to mr. irving on the 4th. mr. irving, i believe testified
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the other day that he did not take that to be an ask for a emergency declaration. talked to mr. stenger, they did not believe that the chief ever spoke to the architect of the capitol, prior to that, i believe that is what mr. blanton testified to yesterday and so who was on the board so the yes would have to come from all three. >> hello, i'm kate bolduan and thank you for joining us. at this hour we have been watching a house hearing get into the deadly insurrection in the capitol and what happened, where the failures were and where the failures are now and you could clearly sense that these house lawmakers from tim ryan to jamie her harrah beutler, and democrat and republicans alike, they are not happy with the answerser that getting so far. let's talk about this as we continue to keep our eye on this hearing as they're dealing with some technical issues.
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joining me now is andrew mccabe, and former fbi deputy director and charles ramsey. also the former police chief of d.c. very different tone, i will say, in this hearing, andy, than what we heard in the senate side with other members of the law enforcement that were in charge of protecting the capitol on january 6th. they were frustrated, from tim ryan to jaime herrera beutler and focused in two areas that seemed clearly. the intelligence and the f-- th failures of intelligence and what was done before january 6th and then the failures operational or otherwise on the day. what did you take from this so far? >> well, i have to start, kate, by saying it reminds me as experience of testifying on the house side. it is a more aggressive form of questioning. the members are kind of -- they
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don't really hold back. you know right away when they're not happy with what they're hearing and i think that is pretty evident from the hearing the testimony that we've heard so far. i think you hit on the two major issues that will continue to dominate this process. on the intelligence side it is not only what intelligence did we have but what conclusions did we base on that intelligence and of course how was it communicated and how did it effect the preparation and the operational planning that the capitol police department put into their position for january 6th. obviously a lot of missteps along that process. frustration i have here is that it is really unlikely we'll get to the bottom of each one of the important questions by a ragged charged hearing like this. >> i'm sorry to jump in, andy. that is what i was going to ask you. because i was wondering if you thought it was a satisfactory answer, what you heard from the
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acing capitol police chief who was the head of intel on the day of the insurrection when she said that we had intelligence, we know about the fbi bulletin, but the intelligence failed to predict the scope of the attack and failed to predict, in her words, that everyday americans would take on this mob mentality, that is how she put it, taking on this mob mentality and rushing the capitol like they did. is that an acceptable answer? >> you know, i don't think so. i think if the leadership expected the intelligence bulletins to tell them what to do and predict the future of what was going to happen, they were misguided. the information is very rarely ever prescriptive. here is exactly what is going to happen and here is the steps you should take. i also think that the reports that we know they had included comments how there were some
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indications from the chatter they were hearing that the capitol itself would be targeted. so the question is why do they make the decisions they did having that information in their hands and i don't think we've gotten to the bottom of that? >> and chief, i wanted your take. because there were clear operational break downs and clear failures. from communications to how the acting chief put it, the capitol lockdown was not properly activated, that communications broke down, operational protocol not followed. these are a lot of words that i would like to understand if you could put into plain english what that means if they admitted to anything today? >> well, i mean, what you saw is and what you're seeing even a couple of days ago is a lot of cya in my opinion. there was a lot of breakdowns that took place. they weren't prepared to the level that they should have been prepared even though with the number of peoples that stormed the capitol, perhaps they would have lost it any way, but i think they could have done a lot more to prevent the actual
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encouragement to the capitol. that is why you need to have an independent body actually take a look to find out exactly what took place. and andy is absolutely right, rarely do get you get intelligence that could accurately predict, if you want to use that word, what might occur. but it gives you an indication as to what level should you prepare for. i think part of what you're seeing here is an over-confidence on the part of the capitol. you could say arrogance in some sense, that that sort of thing just wouldn't happen. when you table top an exercise, there are supposed to be difficult scenarios and in some cases the worst case scenario and what you do as a result of that. and so, you know, the numbers people they have available and they talk about national guard, they have mou's in place with other law enforcements, the mpd, arlington, fairfax, i believe i
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did when i was in metropolitan police department, they could provide help. not national guard. but other law enforcement. so was that activated, was that asked for? there is a lot of unanswered questions. >> and ramsey, down to jaime herrera beutler, she said i'm frustrated many times because sheer hearing a lot of process and not hearing what they're doing right now to actually fix the problems that they're admitting to. and she had as reqquestion to m that seemed if it was a simple question, it seems simple. why were we left on the house floor when the senate was already being evacuated? when you knew that they were in the building, she didn't get a straight answer. >> good question. but there needs to be an answer to that. because the possibility of something like this happening again, god forbid, but it is possible that it could happen. but you still have plans and hope you never have to implement
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the plans. and part of the problem here, the bureaucracy that exists there. the chief has to work with the board and ask the board for approval, i'm sure they got a run it up their chain a bit. in any emergency situation, the police chief ought to be able to make certain decisions and get it done. if they can't do that, you hired the wrong person to be the chief. if you can't trust them to make decisions in the middle of a crisis. i mean, it is ridiculous to think that you have to go through this many layers in an emergency. that works under normal circumstances when everything is c calm and nothing is going on. and believe me, i was a police chief for 17 years and in major cities and i've had more than my share of incidents occur. you keep your bosses information but you have to be trusted to make the decisions. >> your leadership during the d.c. sniper, when you talk about when the pressure is on, sf
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especially for an extended period of time. we'll continue watching this hearing and clearly very important. still ahead for us at the very same time, the challenge of a 50/50 split in the senate, how members of the president's own party are creating problems for his cabinet nominees and his massive covid relief package. how will the white house get past this? we were the first to bring 5g nationwide. and now that sprint is a part of t-mobile we're turning up the speed. upgrading over a thousand towers a month with ultra capacity 5g. to bring speeds as fast as wifi to cities and towns across america. and we're adding more every week. coverage and speed. who says you can't have it all? the world around you may seem like an immovable, implacable place. it is not. it can be bright. quiet. and safe.
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and the white house is working overtime to try and keep all senate democrats together and unified. this is really putting into sharp focus the power of two moderate democrats. joe manchin and krysten sinema. lauren, you have new reports on the senators and how the biden white house may have miss calculated their power? >> reporter: that is exactly right, kate. these two senators have revealed themselves to be crucial to passing anything through the u.s. senate. and we should note, any one democratic senator could have outsized power given the narrow majority that chuck schumer holds right now in the u.s. senate. but specifically, these two senators have endangers perhaps neera tanden, the office of management and budget as well as potentially the covid relief bill. and i want to talk about neera tanden first. manchin came out against her
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nomination on friday. we haven't heard how krysten sinema would vote on him. the early national security nommies, they moved quickly and easily. this is a different story. we also are going to be keeping an eye on the two members because of what they are arguing on the the $15 minimum wage. krysten sinema doesn't believe that a minimum wage belongs in the covid bill. if they don't get republican votes, they need every democrat to fall in line. manchin could be open to reducing that minimum wage bill. we should also note that the senate parliamentarian may be the one to urge the democrats to take this provision out because it does not comply with senate budget procedure rules. but it is important to remember that any senator could have an outsized role but these are the members who are already standing
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up and standing against certain aspects of the biden administration agenda here. >> and john, is there any indication that the white house plans to change its approach with regard to neera tanden or even the covid relief bill. >> not at all because there is a distinction between cinema and manchin. manchin is a declared know. cinema is not. if you get a republican to support neera tanden and we have one indication of a possibility and that is lisa murkowski, the moderate from alaska, if she's willing to support neera tanden. i think they believe party solidary would lead krysten sinema to support it and she would pass. if lisa murkowski is a no and
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that is when you see them go to an alternative nominee. in covid relief, it is out of their hands because if the parliamentarian knows that they don't have a vote to overrule the parliamentarian's decision and in that case the minimum wage would not be an issue in this bill. if the parliamentarian said $15 minimum wage could stay in, then you have the beginning of a conversation and a negotiation with manchin and cinema and then the question is if they insist on a change or reduction in the $15, what does this do on the house side or if the house could not move then you have a threshold test for manchin and cinema, are you willing to bring this bill down because of your objections. i think the white house is still betting at the end of the day that when it comes to final passage on that bill, whether it is a $15 minimum wage or no
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minimum wage or something less, $13, they'll hold all 50 democratic senators but we'll get the proof in the next couple of weeks. >> we will and maybe even today in terms of the first step with the parliamentary an ruling. thank you very much. we have 50,000 deaths from coronavirus in the state of california. the governor is facing a recall effort over his leadership and the state's lieutenant governor is our guest. their only friend? the open road. i have friends. [ chuckles ] well, he may have friends, but he rides alone. that's jeremy, right there! we're literally riding together. he gets touchy when you talk about his lack of friends. can you help me out here? no matter why you ride, progressive has you covered with protection starting at $79 a year. well, we're new friends. to be fair. eh, still. visible is wireless that doesn't play games. it's powered by verizon for as little as $25 a month.
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a new concerning variant is spreading rapidly in new york city. according to researchers, it contains a mutation that allows it to dodge the body's immune system and weaken the effectiveness of vaccines. and also alarming information about a variant surging in california. studies are suggesting it might not only be more contagious but cause more severe illness. this comes all as california becomes the very first state to see 50,000 deaths from coronavirus. accounting for roughly 10% of all deaths in the united states. governor gavin newsom is facing a recall attempt over his
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response to the pandemic. one of the biggest points of criticism involves schools. most of the states 6 million students haven't had in-person classes for almost a year. last week newsom announced that starting march 1st, 10% of the vaccines will go to teachers and school staff. but will that be enough to get teachers and students back in classroom now. joining me now is the lieutenant governor, elleni kounalakis. the superintendent of the largest school systems have not been able to answer which is when will schools reopen in person. what do you say to parents right now? >> well, kate, thank you for having me. and greetings from california. you laid it out pretty well. we have a big challenge ahead of us in getting schools reopened. but, you know, we are the largest state in the country, 40 million people, we have 1,000
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school districts. so everyone knew this would be challenging and the focus of the negotiations is how to get student and educators back into school safely. and as you noted, starting march 1st, every county will be required to set aside 10% of their allocation of doses for teachers and educators. we think that is going to go along way. we also have a situation now why wr our positivity rate in the state has been dramatically reduced. so just at the beginning of january, we had about 14% of the tests coming back positive. we're down now to about 3%. so when we see the incidents of the virus decreasing, that gives us a lot more confidence that we could bring people back in the classroom safely along with vaccines and ppe and hand
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washing stations and masks in order to resume our normal education process in a safe way. so that is really the direction that we're going and as i said, no issue is consuming leaders in california more right now than getting our kids back in school. >> but still, this isn't a new problem. and what i don't hear is a date that you're confident that you could say kids are going to be in back in person. you mentioned that vaccines is an issue. the cdc has said vaccinations for teachers and school workers with not a prerequisite for reopening but the second largest school district in the country is not reopening because of that very issue, the demand from the teachers union in l.a. is that they are fully vaccinated before returning to in-person. does that make sense to you? >> i think it is an ongoing negotiation at this point. >> why is it a negotiation if we rely on the scientists of the cdc to tell us what is safe?
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>> school districts are the ones who get to make the final decision. what the governor and legislature can do is offer resources and financial support to be able to get there. we have to continue to talk to them to try to create the right conditions that they're comfortable going back and feel safe about it. it is a very difficult situation. and for your viewers, you know, about 80% of the students in the los angeles school district live at our below the poverty line. we're talking about people who live in very close quarters, people and students who live in multi-generational families where they come home from school and living with grandparents. we need to make sure we're getting into the communities not just making sure that the schools are safe, but that the homes that students are coming from are also safe. so -- and it is difficult but we want to make sure that we do it in a way that is safe for
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everyone. the negotiation is ongoing. the governor feels strongly we should be able to do this without every person being vaccinated and at the same time we are making ollo cases to get doses available to educators. >> the governor is facing a recall effort right now. sparked by his response to the coronavirus pandemic. and a big part of it is schools. you have been very clear, lieutenant governor, your support for governor newsom. how likely is it that he's going to face a recall election? >> well, kate, we don't know yet. it is this process that does not happen that often in california. but it does appear that the republican effort to collect signatures, 1.5 million valid signatures are needed. it is very well funded now. it was fueled by of course discontent, this is a global pandemic, it is a very difficult time. nothing is perfect. but it does look as though there
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is a likelihood that it will qualify. and then the governor is going to have to make his case. but he is still quite popular in this state. people recognize he's been dealt a very tough hand. and i'm very hopeful, first, i believe that he does not deserve to be recalled but i'm also hopeful that californians will recognize that this is a republican-driven effort built on a fantasy that they could slip a republican governor into the blue estate in the country. so it will be a noisy, chaotic distraction from the task at hand but we'll have to fight it. >> and that is the key. sorry, lieutenant governor, that is part of the key. these aren't just some signatures that come in. these are vetted and validated qualified voters who are signing on to say that they are not satisfied with the governor and
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that would be in support of a recall election, no matter who it is funded by. these come from the voters who signatures say that they support seeing a recall election. and it is interesting that you think that there is agood likelihood that this is going to happen? >> we just don't know. but it does appear that the numbers of generation of signatures will get to that 1.5 million threshold. i'm not personally involved in that, so i'm not -- i can't tell you for sure. >> because you have a role in the whole process for our viewers to know, if it qualifies, it is up to you to formally call the recall election. if it would qualify, it has to be qualified by april 29th. there is a lot of red tape that is involved in the process afterwards. when do you expect that you would formally call the recall election if it is validated, if it is qualified? >> kate, it is too early to be able to answer that question. we just don't know yet. we have to see if there are
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enough signatures that are validated and then we have to look at the calendar. but the fact of the matter is that the governor still remains popular, that his focus and all of hur focus in elected office is getting people vaccinated, getting doses distributed, getting our kids back in school and getting people back to work. and we're moving forward in reopening our economy. we look here in san francisco that next week indoor dining in restaurants is likely going to be able to resume. so we are focused on that reopening on ensuring that we do the best that we can for the california economy and for the health and safety of our people. if there is a recall, we'll deal with it. but, again, i really do believe that californians will see that the leadership has done absolutely the best possible job in this state. and people will be more looking
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toward the future than trying to condemn the governor for any mistakes that might have been made in the past. >> lieutenant governor, thank you for your time. thanks for taking the questions. appreciate it. >> thank you, kate. still ahead for us, the weekly jobless numbers just out. what they show about the health of the economy and why the fed share said america's unemployment is actually probably quite a bit worse than the statistics show. a capsule a day visibly fades the dark spots away. new neutrogena® rapid tone repair 20 percent pure vitamin c.
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730,000 americans filed for first time unemployment benefits last week. that is less than expected. but according to fed chairman jerome powell, the unemployment problem is worse than it appears. the unofficial unemployment rate was 6% last month but powell believes it is closer to 10%. his alarm comes as the house is preparing to vote on the massive coronavirus relief package tomorrow. it is expected to pass on a party line vote. and just moments ago nancy pelosi spoke out about the need to pass the emergency relief. >> over 75% of american people support the legislation overwhelmingly, democrats and republicans and independents
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support the legislation. so hopefully by the end of the day tomorrow it will be passed and then prepared for to send over to the senate by monday morning. >> but will it be enough to speed up america's economic recovery? joining me now is grant thornton and diane swan. good to see you again. would love your perspective on all of this right now. you've got on the one hand the number of weekly jobless claims going down but you also have the warning from the fed chairman yesterday that was quite a warning. how did you make sense of the how the economy is really doing right now, diane? >> well, what we've seen is we saw a slowdown in the fourth quarter. we have had three months of negative retail sales and lost some employment at the end of the quarter and thennan was a flat morm. we got a back bounce because of stimulus that was passed on the
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$900 billion on december 27th, signed into law. and so what we've seen is how contingent the economy is on the course of the virus and the need for aid and stimulus for people who have really suffered through no fault of their own. i think it is also important to note that you have to add on to those initial claims, the special pandemic unemployment insurance extended to gig and furloughed workers that puts it over a million for the week that just ended february 20th and some of the decline came from a deep freeze and in the oil patch where people couldn't file for unemployment insurance so we could see a tick up. at the end of the day chairman powell pointed to the low wage unemployment rate. those hardest hit by the crisis have unemployment rates over 20%. and i think that is very important to understand, that we really have a year into the crisis, 49 weeks of unemployment insurance claims worse than
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anything we saw just on the initial ones and not the extensions during the great recession in 2008 and 2009 and in any one week and i think that is important. the other important issue is that many of the extensions to unemployment insurance are about to expire again in march. and already there is fears, many people haven't received what they could get with the 900 billion that was passed. that going to expire in the middle of march and there is worry about another lapse for those people who are most in need. >> you don't have to be a chief economist to understand fit and starts and stops and beginning again is just not way to run a railroad and no way to keep economic recovery going or even started. that is obviously. on the covid relief bill, you have capitol hill and one big part of it has become minimum wage, diane, and capitol hill is right now all over the place on the minimum wage part of this. what do you think a minimum wage increase to $15 an hour would
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mean for the economy? >> well, we know that the congressional budget office said it could cost up to 1.5 million jobs, but, and this is important but, but it could also lift people out of poverty. so out of the 1.5 million jobs are the double jobs that people have. so that is important. and i think what we've also seen out there is that minimum wage increases at the state and local level, regardless of your political stripes are voted in and have been voted in overwhelmingly so in every state that has put it on their ballot since 2014. so the effective minimum wage is much higher for the overall economy, but there are some states that it is much lower and you do want to phase it in for those states so saespecially coming out of this, the small businesses have the hardest time meeting the minimum wage are not put out of business. so i think we could deal with that. but right now the debate is not
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even that nuanced and that is the hard part. you lose in tran lation what the reality is what of the economy is doing. >> and democrats are supporting and republicans are not, the $350 billion to help state and local governments. the democratic mayor of milwaukee said we definitely need this. republicans do not think that is true. what impact do you think that kind of chunk of money would have? >> well, we're down over a million jobs at the state and local level back to the early 2000s level and we know from the crisis of 2008 and 2009 that actually it was because of the state and local level and a loss in employment through 2013 that made it a subpar recovery in employment. so the very moment that you want everyone coming back, you could have state and local governments cutting even deeper into the budgets and even though some
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states fared better than others, what they do have in the bill is differences to go to states that hit harder, like florida or nevada, that got hit harder to receive more funds and that is important as well. even though the amounts are a little more than estimated, there are shortfalls not counted how much the states have paid deal with covid and put up front in terms of costs. so even though the revenues maeve might not have fallen as short as many thought, many local governments did have shortfalls and you need to plug the holes an learn a lesson from the 2008/2009 crisis and do the transfers to the states. i think it is really important if you want to ensure that the employment recovery is more full. >> very interesting. >> and a lot of theons that were low wage jobs we're losing perm neptsly now, too. >> that is exactly right. thank you for that.
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diane, i appreciate it. coming up for us, police are revealing disturbing new details about a deadly kcar crash involving the attorney of north dakota. now the calls for his resignation growing.
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if you see wires down, treat them all as if they're hot and energized. stay away from any downed wire, call 911, and call pg&e right after so we can both respond out and keep the public safe. the governor of south dakota is now calling on her attorney general to resign after new evidence was just released of a deadly car crash he's been charged for. the attorney general, initially claiming he had hit a deer in the car crash, but the victim's broken eyeglasses were found inside his car. cnn's lucy cavanaugh has the
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details. >> then, wham. the incident happened. i never saw anything. >> south dakota attorney general jason roundsburg is facing misdemeanor charges after he struck and killed a man on february 12. he originally told them he hit a deer. >> this is ali, how can i help you? >> ali, i'm the attorney general, and i don't know, i hit something. >> reporter: roundsborg told officials he returned to the scene the next morning and found the body of 55-year-old george beaver. >> i came back and it was a man. and he's dead. i believe i did not do anything wrong, and i obviously replayed it in my mind about a thousand times. >> reporter: but now the public official is facing mounting
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calls for his resignation, in light of disturbing new details thursday night in which investigators said they found beaver's broken glasses in roundsborg's car. >> i wondered about that. >> that means his face came through your windshield. >> it's a tough thing. >> i was thinking his face did not come through because -- i would have thought there would be blood everywhere then. now that i've thought about it -- >> you've had time. his glasses are right there, jason. those are joel's. >> reporter: the attorney general faces three misdemeanor charges for careless driving, operating a vehicle while using a mobile electronic device, and illegal lane change while carelessly driving, crossing lanes unsafely. but no felony at the death of
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beaver. >> it was insufficient to bring criminal charges in south dakota. >> reporter: the spokesman said roundsborg has not yet responded to the charges brought against him and a court date has yet to be set. on tuesday lawmakers started impeachment proceedings against roundsborg. >> it's a sad day. we need to move forward in the state and do what's best for the citizens of south dakota. that's why i'm asking or recommending for our attorney general to resign his post immediately so the state can move on, the governor can appoint a new attorney general and we can get this behind us. >> reporter: lawmakers introduced two articles of impeachment, one for the fatal crash, the other for roundsborg's statements and actions in reporting the crash in which they said he undertook actions unbecoming the attorney general. christie known is also asking for the attorney general to go, saying, now that the
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investigation is closed and charges have been filed, i believe the attorney general should resign. but roundsborg is rebuffing the request to step down. his spokesman said he has no intention to resign. at no time has this affected his ability to the work of the office. >> reporter: george beaver's life was cut short at the age of 55. his family is very disappointed at the misdemeanor charges, but they're also not surprised. that's because there is a law in south dakota available to prosecutors. other states have the negligent homicide law, south dakota does not. the family is now calling for a change to these laws and says they're going to file a case against roundsborg in civil court. kate? >> lucy, thank you for that report. still ahead, democrats divided over president biden's
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