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two more juror were selected in the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin who is charged in the death of george floyd. that brings the total number of jurors selected to 5 with 14 needed, including two alternates. according to a pool reporter, one man appears to be caucasian in his 30s or 40s. another, a black man in his 30s or 40s. there are a black man, and a biracial woman. chauvin has pleaded not guilty to second degree intentional murder and man slatter in -- manslaughter. in floyd's death, which was captured on camera. meanwhile, the minnesota courts clear the way for the trial judge to reinstate a third degree murder charge. the judge would address the matter when court resumes in the morning. >> a reminder, don't miss full circle, our digital news show. you can catch it streaming live at 6:00 p.m. eastern at circle or watch it there or on the cnn app any time
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on demand. that's it for us. let's hand it over to chris for "cuomo prime time." >> anderson, it's right to pick up on the composition of this jury. the first three jurors are really indicated different things in terms of the approach of both prosecution and defense to dealing with the obvious, which is you're not going to find people who don't know anything about this situation. there's also later in the show a little bit of inside scoop on the controversy over this third charge. it was out, now it's back in. they're waiting on the court. we'll talk through why it matters as much as it does. appreciate the coverage. i'm chris cuomo. welcome to primetime. tonight, a huge sigh of relief. >> the yeas are 220, the nays are 211. the motion is adopted. >> the democrats got you all kinds of relief. that's right.
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the democrats. this is a matter of fact. there was zero help from the opposition party. every single one voted against. against a bill backed by a majority of you, including many of the opposite's own republican constituents. against sending americans $1400 checks. against giving unemployed americans a $300 a week boost in support. against cutting child poverty in half. against saving tens of thousands of jobs. now that it is done, some of the opposers are becoming posers, like this. look at this tweet from senator roger wicker, mississippi. celebrating the money for restaurants, remember, he wanted to starve you. he voted against this money for you.
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fact. president biden owns this, good or bad. the first major legislative achievement of his presidency. >> this bill represents a historic, historic victory for the american people. i look forward to signing it later this week. everything in the american rescue plan addressed a real need. >> please focus on this. 61% of americans wanted this rescue. two thirds of the country think it will help our economy. among them, a huge number of republicans. more than a third of working class republicans think the bill should have included even more relief. so you've got to be thinking, why was the opposition so opposed? more important to know is why they were so quiet in their
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refusal. they know many of their own wanted this. they're making a different bet. remember, these are the people who played to the denial of the pandemic. they're betting that they can still make people angry. divide, and therefore, be a safe harbor for the hostile come election time. they're going to be against everything biden tries to do because they're opposing him. that's why they tried to pitch pandemic relief as you paying for them and their kids. what's the message there? ugly and obvious. division by deception. they only want a rescue plan for dr. seuss. and by the way, facts first. it was his estate that decided not to publish more of certain books. no one else made that happen.
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rescue mr. potato head. res cue the royals from any reckoning of racism, because you know, there's something about that meghan markle that seems, oh, i don't know, dark. yeah. you mean like her skin? is she forgetting her place? is that why you're so upset about it? everything they say about markle is code for dividing us by color. remember this day. this was the chance to make up for the pandemic denial that they enabled. instead, they decided to double down, period. the house chaplain today made a plea to the lord for mercy on those who turn their backs in a national emergency. >> we pray your mercy. forgive them, all of them, for when called upon to respond to a once in a century pandemic that has rocked our country, they have missed the opportunity to step above the fray and unite,
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the servants you have called to lead this country have contributed to the spread of an even more insidious contagion of bitterness and spite. >> amen. but i argue to you, the real time for prayer isn't for what's happened in the past. it's about what prayers for what's about to happen. that disease of denial and truth, the disease of denial, the truth and justice don't exist. that's spreading faster than covid. and the feverish effort to oppose now extends to a new fight to make maga stand for a return to jim crow voting restrictions. that is not hyperbole. over 40 states, over 250 laws, all making voting harder, especially for minorities. and the opposition party wants you to think they are suppressing the vote as the lord's work.
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>> everything about this bill is rotten to the core. this is a bill as if written in hell by the devil himself. >> when he's talking about that, is he talking about this guy? must be. because senator mike lee said what he said on the same day that another shady recording of him comes out pressuring another georgia official to help him steal the election and nullify thousands of votes, including the black vote. i have the tape ahead. can't be talking about hr-1. because the bill is designed to expand voting access. it's not an anti-security bill. it doesn't make things less secure. he couldn't argue that. surely, the devil would not create a bill to make sure all americans of every color have the right to vote and have their votes counted, right? you don't see that as evil, do you?
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is it the devil's work to employ diversity and democracy? i don't think so. why would you say that? ask senator lee. ask the opposition party. but i'll tell you this, hr-1 is the only single step way to stop a wave of wicked, wanton voter suppression from republican controlled legislatures all over the country, including the battlegrounds of georgia and arizona. let's bring in the better minds on what lies ahead. dana bash and natasha alford. good to have you both. dana, why was something that is so hard to vote against giving the wants of your constituency, voted against anyway? >> you know, it's actually part
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of a pattern that we saw during the trump era that is bleeding into what we're seeing right now, which is the party is at times, and this is exhibit "a" voting against the needs of many of their constituents. and you just have to look at cnn's poll this morning, and every other poll about this bill, chris, which i know you have seen. it's not just democrats who support the specifics of what is in here, the relief that is in this bill. it's republicans who do, which is why when you listen to republicans on the house floor today in their press releases, in their tweets, they're just using kind of the -- the cookie cutter republican language, which is it's a socialist agenda, it's a liberal agenda. and it is a big, big, big bill. there's no question. but it is, if you look into the
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bill, into what is in there, the core of it is addressing the needs of the people, many of whom are their constituents. >> right. you have more people who said there should have been more in the bill than people said they're against the bill. natasha, i want to take a listen to senator mcconnell and get context of what he's trying to put over on this. >> spending dramatically more money than we obviously need at this particular point at which time the economy is coming back, people are getting vaccine. we're on the way out of this. we're about to have a boon. if we do have a boom, it will have absolutely nothing to do with this $1.9 trillion. >> economically, he can't know any of that. but he does know, natasha, we're 9.5 million jobs down from where we were before the pandemic. what do you think the play is? >> if you can convince people that there's no real crisis, right, then action is not necessary.
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and i just listened to that sound bite with so much disgust because i know that there are people who are still getting coronavirus. we're still getting warnings that we are in the midst of this thing, and it is not over. and it is so like mitch mcconnell to put the politics above the people. and just like we saw with the trump administ, tout politics above our actual safety. they risked our lives to sell us this big lie that the pandemic wasn't real, and also that somehow the election was rigged. and so i think the american people are going to remember this moment. you know, mitch mcconnell is banking on folks focusing on the politics, but the american people will remember that they stood up against stimulus checks and unemployment insurance and access to medical insurance. these are the things that actually matter in terms of getting things done. if the gop can convince you to focus on the culture wars and the politics, they don't have to engage in policy. they don't have to tell you what better ideas they have.
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>> you know, i have been encouraged to let this moment breathe a little bit. this is a big win. nope. the real fight is the next one, and not just because it's the next one. not everybody thinks the way i do, that success is only failure averted. the hr-1 fight and these laws that are going to fan out all over this country because the republicans have been smart, they have been working these state races. they have been winning these state races. they own a lot of these state houses and governorships. now comes hr-1, which is the only chance to stop the spread of those laws. and just like the pandemic bill was sold soto voce, by the opposition party as, do you really want to help them pay for their kids and get them out of poverty? that was code. today, they drop the code, my friends. listen to what was said on the floor of the congress. >> black lives matter in the last election. i know it's a group, that it doesn't like the old fashioned
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family. disturbed that we have another program here in which we're increasing the marriage penalty. >> what? and nobody said anything about him, dana. nobody said anything. no one in the party stood up. if i said anything even like that right now, both of you would start yelling, whoa, way wrong. i don't want anything to do with that. cnn does not deserve to be under that guy's name. nobody came out and said anything about him, dana. >> yeah. i mean, because this is what happens when you have the big lie and then extensions and tangents that come out of the big lie. and so when you look at what they're doing in georgia, in iowa, and other places where they have as you said, republican legislatures and they're working on rolling back
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the really unbelievably open ability for so many voters to actually go to the polls early, to have more opportunity at different times to vote, when the main reasons they're doing that is because, just look at georgia. they don't want voting on sundays. why is that? that's souls to the polls. >> they know, souls to the polls is exactly right. they know who votes. dana, you hear that in shock. me, it's a sense of shame. natasha, when you hear that guy say no irony, no sense of guilt or anything, he's got the mask on, but you can see from his demeanor he's fine saying it, that black lives matter, you don't believe in our idea of the family, old fashioned. how does that hit your heart and your head? >> well, you know, as a black american, racism has never had to be hidden, right? so i'm not surprised that he just came out and said it. i think it reflects this country. this is the same country that
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emancipated enslaved people and was like, wait, here are some poll taxes. here are literacy tests. these are all these road blocks to you accessing the vote. this is a continuation of the american tradition. we know these restrictive voting laws, they don't have an equal impact on everybody. they always hurt the black voters the worst. and the voters of color who they don't want to engauge. these voter restriction laws are really racism wrapped in a bow for 2021. and everything that you would think would make america actually great is in hr-1. automatically registering people to vote, expanding early voting. we know what it's like to stand in long lines. and making sure that you can't just randomly get kicked off the voter rolls. if we have a government for the people and by the people, then why would the gop be afraid of something like this? >> two members of that party, one comes out and says that giving voting rights to everybody and making sure those votes are counted is the devil's
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work. another guy comes out and says that black lives matter, which is just a euphemism for black people, don't like our idea of family. no one says anything to shut any or either of them down. that's where we are. dana bash, natasha alford, thank you very much for helping the audience tonight. appreciate you. >> now, major relief is coming. good. to who exactly, how much, but most importantly, when. i can't answer that last one, and it's the big question. but i will break down what's actually in there to give some sense of what the opposition party decided you shouldn't have. and my next guest is going to expose that they are making a play because what they just rejected in this bill they used to like. fake news, you say? we have the receipts. democratic senator tim kaine next. ♪ limu emu & doug ♪ liberty mutual customizes your car insurance
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now, by now, everybody pretty much knows the headline of the covid bill, right? $1400 checks. extended unemployment. more money for vaccines. but it's important to understand what else is included and why. the child tax credit, the changes there mean that millions of parents could soon get up to $3600 a child. that alone could cut the child poverty rate in half. now, on a purely economic level, that's expected to generate about $800 billion in benefits. but on a human level, it's incalculable, because poverty kills. we don't even have the latest numbers but wi do know this, the pandemic has caused at least 2.5 million kids who were not poor to become poor. they jacked up the number of kids going from hungry to somewhere around 11 million. and we know there are more hungry in this country than at any time since the great depression. how do you not vote to address
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that need? restaurants, among the hardest hit. more than 110,000 are gone. so now, instead of competing for ppp checks, there's money targeted to help save the small and mid-sized restaurants that remain. there's more money, in fact, than the last two covid bills combined to finally give schools what they need to open safely, like what? reduce the class size takes money. ventilation takes money. janitors, staff, ppe, money, money, money. it's in there. in the midst of a generational health crisis, this bill tries to do something else, prevent another one. how? many of our fellow americans are out of work. so we have seen a spike in people without health insurance. in fact, more than at any time than during the great recession. okay. 2008-2009. the covid bill will mean more people will be eligible for subsidies to buy insurance. and it takes steps to lower
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premiums for poor americans. too many rural hospitals are on the brink of collapse. google it. there's money in there to make sure there could be a hospital for people when they need one within reach. there's specific help for native american health care providers. why? you see the numbers on the reservations. they have been among the hardest hit areas by the pandemic. now, here's the question we can't answer. we know what the bill will do. what we can't answer is how quickly can it do it? take schools. some of that aid is spread over years. schools need it now. and since it's not contingent on reopening this year, what could districts do? they could pocket the money and still wait until next fall to reopen. the fact that it's a tax season, what does that mean? it could slow down the $1400 checks. the labor department has to get updated guidelines to states quickly to make sure that there's no gap when the last unemployment extension ends next weekend or you could have people
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who are literally broke not getting that extra help of unemployment in time. that's the question. can they get it done? lots to get after with the democratic senator from virginia named tim kaine. senator, i told you i would have you back, and i'll make another date before we even see how this one goes because i do want to take aumf, but there's no reason to discuss it when it isn't relevant. first, about the work of government, and then i want to go into the politics behind this. how can you make sure that the government does what it can as quickly as it can, specifically on schools? >> chris, we're going to have to really push this. good news is, you know, we have done it already. we put school funds out in the c.a.r.e.s. act last march. and schools were using it. and so now, it's not like we're doing it for the first time. schools and states have to make
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decisions about the way they want to use it, and that's something that's tough. you pointed out janitors, cleaning, ventilation systems, broadband upgrades. some school systems may decide what they want to do is enhanced summer instruction to help kids recoup the learning gap from the last year. different school systems are going to make different uses of these moneys. but the size of the investment in schools, in reopening child care centers, and in higher ed, is going to give greater flexibility for getting our kids back in classrooms, which makes it easier to get their parents back to work. >> you say you can make the case to expose the politics here that were played by the opposition party. how so? what do you have as receipts? >> okay, so i have got the house version of the bill in front of me. and you can see all these yellow tabs. republicans decided to vote against it in the house and in
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the senate. uniformly, but i have gone through quickly and just tabbed all of the provisions in this bill that were initially introduced as bipartisan. support for keeping our healers healthy, the lorna green act, which was mine to make sure our health care providers get the mental health they need. public health modernization so our state, local state and federal public health agencies share data with one another. child care tax credit. support for restaurants. you mentioned this. the republicans voted against supporting america's restaurants, but today, one of my republican colleagues, roger wicker, in mississippi, is already putting out in mississippi, hey, we did this great thing for restaurants. you should apply. small business support, support for closed entertainment venues, direct checks to individuals. remember, president trump said the $600 mitch mcconnell check wasn't enough.
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we should do $2,000. it's now $2,000 with the $1400. 8 million people in virginia will get checks because of this additional -- this additional bill that the democrats passed. state and local government aid. that was bipartisan introduced in the house in may. and finally, vaccination support. so this is the house bill, all of these yellow tabs are things that the republicans asked for. we put it in the bill. they decided to vote against it. they're bragging about it now. it's popular with republicans. it's popular with the american public. so yeah, they can play to vote against it if they want, but we're going to deliver results. we are when president biden does it, this will be felt in every zip code and every house in this country. >> so the focus is forward. will you keep petting the snake? the snake will bite you. it bit you on this. it just couldn't kill you because you had too many people against it.
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hr-1 is the battleground. 40-plus states, 250-plus laws. you're the historian, but from my reckoning, we have never seen a wave of anything like this since jim crow. minorities are disadvantaged in almost every one of those states and attempts. the only way for you to counteract it is hr-1, and you will never -- i shouldn't say that. do you think you have any chance of passing hr-1 with the opposition party playing the way they are right now? >> chris, you raise a great point. this is going to be the biggest battle on the floor of the senate since the civil rights acts of the 1960s. because you're right. after joe biden won and after president trump's big lie that he didn't win was revealed to be a sham, what's happening in states with republican governors and legislatures is a dramatic
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effort to roll back voting rights so that we can squeeze and choke the electorate so they can't participate. hr-1 and s-1 are bills to make sure we protect people's rights to vote. and that bill passed out of the house, and now on the senate, we're going to take it up in the senate in committee and on the floor. and we're going to let the republicans show what they think about voters and participation. and look, if they decide that they want to block voters and participation, the same way that the filibusterers in the 1960s did, then we're going to have a moment of reckoning on the floor of the senate to decide whether senate rules are more important than people's rights and ability to participate in this democracy. >> that side of the aisle is calling hr-1 devil's work. they had someone stand up on the floor of the house today and say those blm folks, they don't like our idea of what a family is about. that's where they are.
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nobody is checking them. the only real fight is within your own party to see what you do with the filibuster. senator tim kaine, you're welcome back to talk about whatever matters are in the state of play. be well, senator. >> absolutely. thank you. >> to understand the psychology of, come on, man, why are you describing on this animus to the republicans. i'm not talking about people. i'm talking about politics, they play. if you want proof about why they're playing it this way, we have tape for you that captures what it's all about. and it's of the head of their party talking to a top investigator in georgia. and he's asking them to do something that they know they can't. you listen to it for yourself, and then we'll discuss what they're doing in georgia right now, which sounds just like what you'll hear on the call. next. first up is this french onion dip. i'm going to start the bidding at $5. thank you, sir. $6 over there! going once. going twice.
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this is the battle of the generation over freedom. these election laws. and here's where it starts, the former president once again on tape, obtained by the "wall street journal," pressuring another georgia elections official. >> i won georgia, i know that, by a lot. the people know it. and you know, something happened. i mean, something bad happened. and if you can get to fulton, you are going to find things that are going to be unbelievable, the dishonesty. good sources, really good sources. but fulton is the mother lode, as the expression goes.
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fulton county. >> right. >> when the right answer comes out, you'll be praised. >> that's what it's about. they want to rig the elections. that's what he was asking to do. he knew everything he was saying was a lie. few know the reality of voter suppression efforts better than insay ufa, the executive director of the new georgia project. welcome to primetime. >> thanks for having me. >> first of all, is it a done deal, what's happening in georgia, the bill that passed the house and senate? kemp has been silent on it. it makes it a misdemeanor to give food or water to voters in line. it eliminates early voting on sundays. is this as obvious as it seems? >> it is absolutely as obvious as it seems. this is exactly what you think it is. and full on, full throated attack on black and young
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people's participation in georgia's elections. what we saw in november and nine weeks later in the january runoff was georgia's multiracial, multiethnic, multigenerational progressive majority, if you will, slim majority that it is, come out in historic numbers and participate. that because of the attention, the visibility of our elections, and because our elections are secure, that these barriers to participation had been removed, and now, because the republicans have been embarrassed, they're doing everything they can to attack our election infrastructure and attack our democracy. exactly what you think it is. >> because you don't have as many voting centers in the communities that tend to be minority dominated, you don't have as much staff, so they're not as efficient, you hurt black people more if you make it a misdemeanor to give people food or water.
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we saw people standing in line for three, five, seven, ten hours in 90-degree heat. >> right. yes, i mean, this is -- and the thing is, you know, while i am grateful for how georgia's elections have been covered, and particularly black voters who have overcome a pandemic, overcome extraordinarily long lines, massive voter purges, and we're proud of how, you know, folks have dug their heels in and said that they will not be moved and that they want to participate, it should not be this hard to exercise the freedom to vote. >> early voting on sundays. souls to the polls. for those who are not blessed with growing up around an african-american community and understanding church as culture and understanding what that does in terms of participation in community, who gets hurt by cutting early voting on sundays?
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>> the attack on sunday early voting is a direct hit on black churches. it's a critical institution in the black community. there's a long history of black americans, black believers, voting and participating in public life as an expression of their faith. and so the idea that -- and let's be clear, republicans have been attempting to attack sunday voting in georgia for quite some time. and this is the latest in their effort. >> do you think kemp goes for it? >> it's not clear to me. but his silence in this moment is deafening. you know, we witnessed national republicans bullying brian kemp, our governor, bullying secretary raffensperger, georgia's secretary of state. and you know, i remember folks saying, giving them congratulations, patting them on the back for defending our elections. and defending our democracy. and so their silence in this
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moment, again, is deafening, and it's peculiar. we also watched while the lieutenant governor of our state, jeff duncan, refused to preside over the vote for a senate bill 241, giving us sort of another indication that there is a huge split between sort of trump supporting republicans who are continuing to push the big lie and other members of the republican party. but their silence is insufficient. this is the moment, this moment calls for nothing less than a full throated condemnation of these ridiculous attacks on our elections. >> ten times justice kagan presented, ten times more likely than white voters or black voters to vote on sunday. the proposition is easy. do you want to have the label of having brought back jim crow? because that's how you'll be remembered if you are for this. you are fighting the good fight. thank you for doing so on my show.
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good luck. >> thank you, chris. thank you. all right, let's turn to pandemic messaging. got to get people to take the vaccine. got to assure them it's safe. got to have the proof it's safe. so here on the show we start testing the new guidelines. it seems like they're playing scared here at a time that they have to give people confidence that they say they should have. we get beat up. our next guest says they should have done better, and now they're saying they will. the top health authority who believes that the clock is ticking once again. why, and what are the variables? next. ♪ ♪ ♪ when it comes to your financial health, just a few small steps can make a real difference. ♪ ♪ ♪ guidance on your terms. confidence feels good. chase. make more of what's yours.
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good news. the story of vaccination is a good story for now. 10% of us are now fully vaccinated. the numbers are rising. they're rising faster than they thought they would. still, the cdc urging an abundance of caution, especially when you have states like texas officially doing away with its mask mandate today and fully reopening. wyoming, utah, maryland are some states saying they're going to follow.
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it's hard to understand how that won't create cases given the rampant growth of variants. but given that, is it still the right thing for the cdc to be so cautious about what vaccinated people can do? even when it comes to traveling. okay, that's very important for people. the cdc director says vaccinated people shouldn't do it. listen. >> what we have seen is that we have surges after people start traveling. we saw it after july 4th. we saw it after labor day. we saw it after the christmas holidays. currently, 90% of people are still unprotected and not yet vaccinated. >> right. but if you are vaccinated, what does the science tell you about how likely it is you get sick when you travel and how likely you can give it to somebody else? do they know? do they know when they're playing scared? let's get to the facts on this and the science.
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dr. lena wen, thank you for joining me once again, doctor. the idea of, you still shouldn't travel even with the vaccine, do you think that's the right call? >> i do not. look, i do understand the situation that the cdc is in. they want to be cautious. i do have sympathy for that. they don't want to overpromise initially and have to dial it back, but i also think that there is a cost to saying things that don't meet the common sense test. air travel, for example, alone, is very low risk when everybody is wearing mask. if somebody is vaccinated, that risk is lower still. the risk actually, i would be concerned about unvaccinated people who are traveling, going on spring break, going to lots of bars and hanging out and spreading it to one another. i'm not concerned about the vaccinated grandparent who is traveling across the country just to spend time with their extended family. i think that kind of nuance really needs to be spelled out or else it's not going to make sense to people, and not meet the reality test. >> you have messaging here being
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balanced with risk. because as you have laid out to me earlier today on the radio show, which is why it's so important for you to be here tonight to echo it to this audience, we're in a race, you say. and that people, we won't always have less supply than we do demand. that we're going to have to motivate people to want this vaccine. and it may not be as easy as people suspect. what do you believe that race is, the variables are, and what the messaging should be? >> my main concern is that we're not going to reach herd immunity because of vaccine hesitancy. and i know that's hard for a lot of people to believe who desperately want the vaccine right now, and they're thinking, oh, it's a small percentage of people who are actually anti-vaxxers, and that's true, there's the anti-science, anti-vaxxer contingent, but there are many more people, millions of people who for whatever reason have concerns about the vaccine, who just don't know what's in it for them. and we need to make it clear to them that the vaccine is the ticket back to pre-pandemic
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life. and the window to do that is really narrowing. you were mentioning about how all these states are reopening. they're reopening at 100%. and we have a very narrow window to tie reopening policy to vaccination status. because otherwise, if everything is reopened, then what's the carrot going to be? are we going to incentivize people to get the vaccine? that's why i think the cdc and biden administration needs to come tout a lot bolder and say, if you're vaccinated, you can do all these things. here are these freedoms that you have, because otherwise people are going to go out and enjoy these freedoms anyway. i fear a situation of coming into the fall where we never reach herd immunity and then we get hit by the next surge of covid-19 in the fall. something we could have prevented if we got people vaccinated now. >> thank you, dr. leana nguyen. appreciate it. another big story we will be tracking every day every time there is a development, all right, that's the ford motor
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trial. two jurors were seated. now they have five. that's not small because the decisions that are being made here really profile what this case is about. this third charge that you've heard about, it was out, it was in, the judge said they don't want to review it. why does it matter so much? i'll tell you next. what you need? nly pay for i mean it... uh-oh, sorry... oh... what? i'm an emu! no, buddy! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty, liberty, liberty, liberty. ♪ at jackson hewitt, we offer safe and easy ways to file with a skilled tax pro. securely drop off your documents, have them picked up, or upload them, and work with a tax pro online from home. safe and easy ways to file that work around you. these folks don't have time to go to the post office they use all the services of the post office only cheaper get a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to and never go to the post office again.
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almost half the jury in the derek chauvin trial has been selected. he, of course, the man charged in the death of george floyd. the minnesota court of appeals just cleared the way for the judge in this case, peter cahill, to reconsider reinstating a third degree murder charge against the former police officer. this could be a very pivotal point in this prosecution. why? cahill originally threw out that charge in october. why? arguably it does not apply as a middle ground between intentional murder and manslaughter. but last week prosecutors got the appeals court to make him reconsider it. the state supreme court declined to hear chauvin's appeal, which means the judge has a big decision to make tomorrow. will he add a third degree
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murder charge to the other two counts that chauvin already faces? former federal prosecutor eli hoenig joins me now. first let's look at the people then we'll talk policy. we have a graphic here for the audience to see that there was some interesting choices made on the first three jurors. they said that they knew about this. they showed sympathies for blm. they showed skepticism into police, and yet they were found amenable to both sides, somewhat of a nod to how hard it's going to be to find a complete tab la rasa, a clean slate for anybody here. what did you see between choices 4 and 5 today? >> chris, i think looking at the jury as we have it now, the first five jurors, if i'm the prosecution, i'm happy with this jury. if i'm the defense i can live with it. inherently as you say, the only jurors who are going to get through this rigorous process, they all have to fill out the questionnaire, they've been questioned by the judge and the attorneys are jurors who have open minds and have something that both sides like and
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dislike. the two new jurors are good examples of that. one of them said he would tend to credit police officers a little more, but he would still scrutinize the testimony carefully. i think both sides have something to like there. juror number 5 said he felt like he could see that happening to himself. now, prosecutors have to like the sound of that. i don't understand why the defense actually did not strike that juror. >> why? >> because when you say, i can see that happening to me, that shows you can identify with george floyd, right? so if i'm the defense, i would use one of my precious strikes to remove that juror. >> so why didn't they? >> they may be saving the strikes. they may have seen something else they like. remember, this is an african-american juror. the parties have to be careful here. they're not permitted under the constitution to use those strikes in a racially discriminatory way, so there may be have been some consideration of that important guideline. >> the tea leaves are the defense is pretty simple here. to the extent they even put one on. all of you at home remember the
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prosecution has the burden, not the defense. but it's going to be this guy had a lethal dose of fentanyl in his system that killed him. that's what they're trying to do, get him to the hospital, he was fighting them, showing all the symptoms of somebody that was in drug hysteria. >> yeah, chris, i expect that to be a defense. i don't expect it to be a strong defense. here's why. they have to show that the fact that derek chauvin kneeled on george floyd's neck for 8 minutes 46 seconds has nothing to do with it. if you look at the autopsy and forensics in the case, that's not what the facts appear to be. if you look at it, all the prosecutor has to show is that 8 minutes 46 seconds of pressure, a man's body weight on someone always s's neck, if that had some contributing factor to george floyd's neck, the prosecutors are going to win, they're going to get a conviction. i understand why that's going to be a defense. i don't think it will be successful. >> that's why the third degree murder charge is so important. now, you observe at home, i'm not debating with eli what
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happened. that's not helpful in these cases. once we know what the judge decides, we will discuss and analyze the impact. that's the way i'm going to cover this trial. there's no reason to engage in speculation, doesn't help anything. eli hone hoenig, you help everything. thank you, brother. >> thanks, chris. >> we'll be right back. stanley,l collective of thought leaders offers investors a broader view. ♪ we see companies protecting the bottom line by putting people first. we see a bright future, still hungry for the ingenuity of those ready for the next challenge. today, we are translating decades of experience into strategies for the road ahead. we are morgan stanley.
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