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afghanistan, none wanted to stay there forever but they said now is not the right time. we should note he said today he called former president bush today to let him know of his decision and we found out he called president obama as well, erin. >> thank you very much and thanks to all of you. anderson starts now. good evening, protesters are out again tonight on the streets of brooklyn center, minnesota, a city under curfew starting three hours from now. demonstrations come after another fast-moving day in the wake of doaunte wright's callin by police. the police chief resigned and the officer. the former officer kim potter was arrested and charged with second degree manslaughter and booked into the hennepin county jail but her prosecution is in washington county to avoid confc
conflicts of interest. potter's home is surrounded by fence and a sign saying the area is under 24-hour surveillance. speaking today is the mothers of victims that questioned kim potter's judgment from the beginning. >> it boggles the mind why she would pull him over in the first place, or is it the rules are set aside when you're really being targeted for driving while black? because when you get down to the crux of the matter, when you look at what this officer did, she over policed from every point. >> in a separate statement, crump cast doubt on the idea she shot daunte wright accidently after mistaking her gun for a taser and i'm quoting him now. a 26-year veteran of the force knows the difference between a taser and firearm and according to the prosecutor's office, the way she carried the two weapons
is hard to mistake one for the other. the gun holstered on the right and the taser on the right in the straight draw position meaning she'd have to use the taser left handed and the gun with right her. looking at the body cam video, you can see a piece of paper in her left hand and her gun in the right as the officer struggles with wright. whatever her training and intentions if that's her left hand it was busy holding something other than a taser but she proceeds as though she's got a taser in the right hand even though according to the washington county attorney, she could have only drawn her gun with it and shouts taser, taser, taser and fires the gun just to under score how quickly this unfolded, here is the video in real realtime. >> tazstaser, taser, taser.
holy [ bleep ] i just shot him. >> you can hear her using an expletive and saying i just shot him. late today potter posted bail set at $100,000. her first court appearance is tomorrow afternoon. miguel marquez joins us from brooklyn center. what is your reaction to the charge against former officer potter? >> reporter: there is relief, certainly, she's been charged and been charged so quickly. the fact that she resigned, that the police chief resigned and that these charges have come have all been met with elation by the crowd that gathered here for a fourth night but they is also say it not enough. they want not only her charged with greater crimes essentially, murder charges is what they'd like to see but they want all those everyday transactions between african-americans, people of color and police to seize. this case like the george floyd case before like so many before that has just become a rallying
cry for people to show up here night after night after night. anderson? >> and are more protests expected tonight? >> reporter: i want to show you a little bit what is going on. there are. there are more protests expected tonight. it a bit of a rally, a bit of an organizational event. they are making speeches. there is music. they brought food in tonight so the people have something to eat. the weather is a little bit nicer than it was yesterday with the snow. but i want to show you sort of what brooklyn center police station looks like tonight. protesters along the fence, the sheriff's office is again taking the lead in all of this and then several different levels of sheriffs, deputies in full riot gear protecting the police station. the curfew as you said goes into effect in a couple of hours. a few hours and we will see. they are handing out a legal number because they understand that many of the people who are
coming here want to have their voices heard but many more that are here they want to take it directly to the police and they want to be here every single night. they say until that equality is at a much greater level. anderson? >> miguel marquez, thanks very much. joining us is former minneapolis chief of police. thanks for coming on. when you look at the body camera video, i'm wondering what your reaction is to how this shooting unfolded. >> first, anderson, thanks for having me and i want to say my heart not only goes out to the wright family but i have family and friends still in the minneapolis area and minnesota and i know that they're all struggling now so i'm there with them. when i look at the body camera footage, i think to myself how rapidly things unfolded and how to me it highlights the need for police actions and for those in policing to really look at the
ability to slow down and have some critical thinking. i realize things happen quickly but i felt like there were other things that could have been done. the idea of shooting a taser even, let alone a handgun inside a vehicle has had historically bad outcomes. >> it seems like there were a number of mistakes even just procedural mistakes, even having this encounter take place in front of an open door of a vehicle makes it easy for anybody to get back into the vehicle to drive off as it seems like this young man was trying to do. that's not really standard procedure, is it? >> no, it's not. there certainly seem to be tactical errors. generally, we want to bring a subject behind the vehicle, our back to the squad car, i believe the engine was running.
we ask the driver to shut off the car when we approach them. that set up a multitude of things i. don't know if it was the training officer, not officer potter but the officer she was training making those decisions but i think it helps set up a very bad outcome. >> how in your view could a 26-year police department veteran mistake a gun for a taser especially if indeed they were carrying the taser only the opposite side of the family. ben crump says he thinks this was intentional. >> yeah, i mean, officers do, they're trained to carry it on the opposite side. that's where it is. it's intense training. officers are shot with the taser so they know how it feels and get recertified every year. clearly, it's a different color than your handgun but the unfortunate reality and i do believe it might have popped up this time, i don't know, i have more questions than answers like everybody else but it's muscle memory.
there is the potential that 26 years of probably reaching for your handgun versus not as many years with a taser is the only thing that i can think of that would impact somebody to make that mistake. she's a field training officer. that's probably on her mind. she's responsible for everything that's happening and so like i said, i have those same questions myself. it is really hard to understand for anybody. >> yeah, this tragedy obviously happened not far from the courthouse where derrick chauvin is on trial for the murder e of george floyd. what do you say to those who wonder if there is some essential problem or inherent problem of police training in minnesota or at large? >> so, you know, in minneapolis and in the minnesota area, we actually have highly trained officers. we are all very versed in best
practices and very progressive in training and i think it goes beyond training. it goes beyond the classroom. it is what is happening from the time we train our officers to when they're out on the street? when there is a police culture, i think there is something to be said about that. there is always this kind of conversation of well, you know, that's the classroom. this is real life. this is where things happen swiftly and i think we need to look at what does transpired on the street versus training because we have incredible training in the state of minnesota. >> this mayor of brooklyn center says that none of the officers who work in that community actually live in the community. we've seen that obviously in a lot of places around the country, a lot of cities. how problematic is that in terms of establishing relationships, trust with residents? >> well, i think there is nothing to date. i mean, we've really looked at coming up with ways to incentivize officers to move within the city but there is
nothing concrete saying an officer that lives in the city they patrol makes them more caring, we want officers that have good levels of integrity and we don't want to necessarily make the pool of candidates, those good quality candidates smaller because we require them to live in the city. if we could correlate that, that would be one thing. i don't think that is as much of a more concrete solution in the situation. >> appreciate your time. thank you. >> thanks for having me. >> just ahead, the chauvin trial and the latest from the courtroom today and defense witnesses suggesting heart problems and car exhaust fumes could have played a part in george floyd's death. what the prosecution said about that and the training police get that's supposed to prevent police from thinking they are reaching for a taser and instead, drawing a gun. >> show me your hands. drop the knife! last time. taser, taser, taser.
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there is something going on in brooklyn center now. what is going on? >> reporter: the picture you're looking at now is the front gate to the police station here and you can see protesters, some of them, most the protesters are listening to speeches and a rally not too far away but many of them have crowded up to this front gate, sort of the weak spot that's why they have a big military vehicle here. this is the sheriffs officer, the hennepin county sheriffs officer. you know, the way that they cleared protesters last night has only in someways angered then more. about 60 individuals were rolled up and arrested last night. many of them are still in jail
today. the sheriffs personnel in full riot gear have moved up to that gate and this is very much how it started last night. this is earlier than it started last night but this is very much the same way that it started last night with this particular area being the focus of prot protesters' anger and the pepper spray will start and flash bangs and they will start pushing them back as they feel the station here is being threatened. what they do want to avoid at all costs is a repeeat last summer at precinct three when protesters took that over and burned it down. they have a very, very heavy police presence, as heavy if not heavier than last night. at this station to ensure that protesters aren't able to get through the barriers and have any sort of threat to the station itself. anderson? >> they pushed the curfew back,
correct? >> reporter: it is 10:00 p.m. local. last night was a bit confusing because different cities -- this is not minneapolis. this is foris northwestern minns but different cities put in for different times. tonight is 10:00 p.m. for brooklyn center. other areas, other neighborhoods and cities may have slightly different times that they are on curfew. there is no statewide curfew. but it did cause confusion because some of them started at 8:00, some started at 9:00. some started at 10:00. brooklyn center starts at 10:00 but they made announcements they need to step back, that this is an unlawful assembly and they are blocking traffic on a major thorough fair in this area and there is clear concern that these protesters are not going to end, the protesters are saying they will be back every single night and the death of
doaunte wright has really just solidified the anger at police and years of mistrust in the communities at the worst possible time. just as, you know, this horrific evidence in the chauvin trial has been telecast every day. >> miguel marquez, thank you. a reminder this comes after ex officer kim potter was charged with second degree manslaughter. those charges being filed today even if at very best her use of her service weapon instead of a taser was a horrible, horrible mistake it would represent a failure of training or procedure or both. harry tuck man reports on how police deputies try to prevent the next incident like this. >>. >> reporter: this is the gun range at the camden county new jersey police department. >> all right. go ahead. >> threat! taser, taser, taser.
>> reporter: and this is where taser training is conducted and while some police departments have different protocols this is what is most commonly done. >> you're right, your gun is always on the right and your taser on the left. >> correct. if you're a left handed ed shoo, your taser on the right side. >> you never have both weapons on the same side? >> absolutely not. >> reporter: you're about to enter the deescalation studio. >> the man has a knife. >> reporter: this is the scenario training these cops do with an screen actors. do they use the gun or taser that weigh less and are yellow helping to differentiate them. this is a cafeteria. >> anybody else in here with you? >> reporter: they quickly learn there is a woman with a knife, a threat but not an imminently deadly threat and then the man on the ground pops up with a gun. >> suspect.
>> hands! hands! threat, threat, threat! >> reporter: the deadly threat leads to the officer using his gun all part of the critical decision making that is emphasized here. >> the life and the preservation of life is the core of what we do. >> the gun is on my right hip. the yellow taser on my left hip. much heavier. >> reporter: i'm given some training a new police recruit would get. >> we're here to help you. my name is garytuchman. >> reporter: we're told this man has threatened to stab a child. >> we're here to help you. >> activity listening. >> i'll listen to what you're saying and we're happy to help you. >> you mess with me? i know you are. >> no, no. >> you're messing with me. >> sir, we're not messing with you. we're not messing with you. >> do you know who i am? [ bleep ] that's who i am. >> sir, we want to help you. please, just listen to me, i'm happy to talk to you and listen
to everything you want to say, please, we want to diffuse the situation. sir, please. >> [ bleep ], [ bleep ]. >> sir! sir! sir! taser, taser, taser! >> okay. no gun here. no gun. that's a taser, everybody. >> did we do it right? >> you did it right. at this time you would walk up to the individual and secure him. so right now we want -- >> so he's okay, though. >> he was okay. >> that was the right way to handle it? >> that was the right way to handle it. >> reporter: the training is intense and part of the training says the chief is never to use a gun or taser unless you absolutely have to. >> if you identify the person they get away you'll still find them. there is still time. slow things down. >> it going to be okay. everything will be all right. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, new jersey. >> more shots fired. >> a lot can happen in the heat of the moment. perspective from our legal and law enforcement team.
charles ramsey and former top cop and senior legal analyst and former prosecutor laura coats. chief ramsey, you see gary's piece and that's familiar to you. what do you say to those asking how an officer with more than two decades experience can get it wrong between a taser and gun? >> nothing is fail safe but you see from the training, the training is intense so, you know, this is a situation where i don't know how much experience she has in really dealing with highly critical situations or not but it was negligence. i mean, to mistake your taser and firearm is not that easy to do. you can see that the weapon looks different. it feels different. the weight is different. it's on a different side of your body. you know, i don't know how she wound up doing it. i don't think it was intentional only because of when you listen to the audio, you can hear her reaction when she fires but that doesn't take away from the
negligence that took place during the encounter plus the tactical mistakes made leading up to the incident. >> frankly, they have to meet the bar saying the person created an unreasonable risk and consciously disregarded the risk. that's important. you talk about intentional, it's about consciously so a lot will be made about whether her oh, expletive comment after shooting was indicative of an accident or not, what steps before hand created the risk and how likely it was she truly did accidently fail to distinguish her taser from her gun. it not unheard of for a prosecutor to make quick assessment but often doesn't end the inquiry for prosecutors. the initial charge might be the initial charge. it doesn't have to be the absolute ceiling.
if more information comes out to suggest this was in fact intentional or not accidental as the resigned police chief would have us believe, they may develop more about that incident but again, this word consciously to disregard it and consciously do something in a way will really lead the prosecution here because it's similar to intentionally but more so about whether you were aware and made a decision to disregard the risk you created. that's a bit of a bar. >> do you think prosecutors charged the case appropriately, laura? >> of the available laws that are available in minnesota now, there is not a negligent where you don't have a culpable negligent standard. the person that shot and killed philando castillo was charged with not only second degree manslaughter but also firing his firearm with reckless disregard. he was acquitted on all of those
charges but there are available things but right now the evidence we have, this prosecutor finds this prudent but i doubt it the end of it. >> chief ramsey, quickly, when you hear someone has been on the force for 26 years, does that automatically mean they do have a lot of experience in actual policing on the street? >> no, it doesn't. i mean, one, this is a smaller jurisdiction. i don't know anything about it but they only have 49 officers. how often they're in high stress situations, i really don't know. i couldn't tell you. the length of time on the job depending on your assignment and things you've experienced during that period of time you can have an officer with three years working in some areas that can have experienced equal to somebody in a slower jurisdiction with 20 years. so it all depends on what they've encountered during that period of time. >> chief ramsey, appreciate it. laura coats, thank you.
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prosecutor's case as they sought to place the death of george floyd on floyd himself. omar jimenez has details. >> reporter: day two of defense witnesses in the trial of former minneapolis police officer derek chauvin and the topic shifted from use of force to cause of death for george floyd. >> did you form in your opinion to a reasonable degree of medical certainty what you thought was the principle cause of mr. floyd's death? >> yes. >> and what is that? >> cardiac arrhythmia due to hy hyper tense sieve cardiovascular disease during restraint. >> reporter: in other words, a bad heart while being restrained by police, no mention of asphyxia as other doctors testified or low levels of action again brought on by being chest down on the street handcuffed with the weight of three officers. dr. david fowler went on to testify what he thought were several possible contributing factors to george floyd's death.
>> so we have a heart that's vulnerable because it's too big. there are certain drugs that are present in his system that make it -- put it at risk of arrhythmia. >> reporter: he added potential for carbon monoxide and testified the force applied by the knee of chauvin would not have directly impacted george floyd's ability topinion mr. ch knee impacted the structure of mr. floyd's neck. >> no, it did not, none of the vital structures were in the area where the knee appeared to be from the videos. >> reporter: but outside of this trial dr. david fowler faces his own legal issues accuse in a federal lawsuit of covering up police responsibility in the 2018 death of 19-year-old anton black in maryland. and falsely attributing the cause of death to a heart
condition, bipolar disorder and/or other natural causes there by blaming the victim for his own death and obscuring official responsibility. a representative from fowler's team told cnn our case is in lit case and we cannot comment. back in this trial during cross-examination, prosecutors pushed back on the doctor's assertions. >> yes or no question. >> yes. >> reporter: they specifically focused on the cause of death, the central argument in this trial. >> if a person dies as a result of low oxygen, that person is also going to die ultimately of a faith l arrhythmia, right? >> correct, every one of us in this room will have a fatal arrhythmia at some point. >> right, because that's kind of how you go. >> yes. >> reporter: taking the witness to a familiar bottom line. >> do you feel that mr. floyd should have been given immediate emergency attention to try to reverse the cardiac arrest? >> as a physician, i would
agree. >> are you critical of the fact he wasn't given immediate emergency care when he went into cardiac arrest? >> as a physician, i would agree. >> reporter: now in the courtroom by all accounts jurors were taking lots of notes on dr. fowler's testimony but they did not hear about what we learned about dr. fowler's prior controversy. they seemed engaged talking to each other during side bars and this was the defense's opportunity to try to encounter medical witness after medical witness prosecutors brought to the stand over the course of last week into this one. >> appreciate it. we'll get perspective from two legal experts back with us former federal prosecutor and cnn senior legal analyst laura coats and mark o'meara. obviously, the defense is trying to do everything possible to convince jurors something other than derek chauvin's knee led to george floyd's death.
did what you heard today seem credible compared to the prosecution's case? >> absolutely not. i found myself saying are we two hours, three hours in and still have not heard any mention of the use of force? when you fail to address the obvious elephant in the room in front of a jury if you're an expert, you fatally undermine credibility not to mention other theories of death including carbon monoxide because his head was near an cause pipe without this expert examining whether the car was turned on or emitting anything and by the way, it wasn't as if george floyd even if that were true that he was down on the ground voluntarily and so you had moments where even obvious concessions that could have been made led for the jury to have the opportunity to question if this person is unwilling to essential recall, you know, a ball and a strike, then what else can't we trust this person on? that's a really stark contrast from what we saw last week from
the pulmonologist, cardiologist, forensic both ol' gist and medical examiner. >> mark, how do you think this defense witness acquitted himself? >> well, we have to remember that the defense's job here, any defense attorney's job is to highlight the potential of reasonable doubt. so this testimony from one prospective is literally changing three or four or five degrees a view of the very same facts. it didn't change the facts very much. he gave his interpretation of it and if the defense can do their job of saying look, we're not going to blow out of the water two weeks of very strong state witnesses but here is some alternatives. interestingly, the carbon monoxide coming to the forefront, again, is going to be viewed as a cheap shot without evidence. maybe, but the defense job is to get one or several of those jurors to think i have a doubt now as to how it may have fully happened, what the true cause of
death was and here is the reason i can attach to that doubt. the defense does not need to prove up their case. they need to show reasonable doubt. that's where he's starting to try to go today. >> laura, i want to play another portion of the testimony of this dr. fowler. let's play it. >> in my opinion, mr. floyd had a sudden cardiac arrhythmia due to his hyper tense sieve heart disease, you can write that down multiple ways. during his restraint and subdual by the police or restraint by the police. >> it interesting he called floyd's death sudden. the jury knows how long mr. floyd was restrained and on the ground for. >> that's what i mean. the idea of word choice being important and not only was the
word sudden important in the context of things because there is nothing sudden about 9 minutes and 29 seconds of action when somebody is imploring you to stop for multiple minutes, four or more the person is not breathing and conscious and the emt appeared to be dead when they arrived. the other aspect is that word during as if somehow there was a coincidental occurrence here at this exact point in time, it wasn't george floyd who was in the wrong place at the wrong time under the knee of derrick show individual, it was derrick chauvin the wrong place at the wrong time because george floyd was going to die at this moment anyway. that word during rubs people the wrong way because it's so disingenuous. >> appreciate it. thank you. breaking news up next, kcdc vaccine advisors just ended a meeting on the pause of the johnson & johnson vaccine. we'll tell you what they're saying when we continue. eat for us!
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breaking news from the cdc a day after recommending the pause of the johnson & johnson covid vaccine a panel of advisors decided to end the emergency meeting without making a decision whether to continue the pause or recommend the vaccine be put back in the delivery system. members of the committee said they need more information about the extremely rare cases of blood clots discovered among a
hand full of women. joining me is a pediatric surgeon and founder of the black doc doctors consortium. what do they want to know before making a recommendation on the johnson & johnson so-called pause? >> this is an advisory committee so they would give recommendations to the cdc. listening in on the meeting, what they really want to figure out is are there certain things that tie these six women together? are there certain common denominators, certain medications this they may have been taking or anything else that may have increased their risk for this trying to sort of piece this together. but i think also, more practically speaking anderson, now that this is out there, clinicians around the country are hearing about it. they are trying to figure out are there more people out there that had this same problem. committee member put it is this sort of a needle in a haystack or is this the tip of the
iceberg? they want a better sense of the scope of the problem. still sounds very rare to be clear about that. but i think those are some of the questions they still want answered. >> dr. stanford, you started administered the johnson & johnson vaccine on march 12th i understand. how has the pause impacted your efforts? >> i think it was the right thing to do. when you see something that can be potentially so catastrophic to an individual and there is an association, you have to dig a little deeper and make sure there aren't some preventive things we can be doing. for us, we did vaccinate yesterday. we changed everything on our social media and let people know we would not be administering johnson & johnson and to stay tuned for more information, which we'll do some of that tomorrow. >> dr. stanford, according to the kaiser family foundation poll, vaccine among african-americans dropped and 55% of people said they had been vaccinated or planned to be, you
started combatting vaccine he is t -- hesitant si last fall. are you worried? >> yesterday we had the typical 700 to 1,000 people to get their moderna she cot and second shot yesterday. i went room to room telling folks about johnson ands& johns and let them know we have more information coming out with educational systems the remainder of the week so people can get their questions answered. >> sanjay, we learned today at least four out of the six women that developed blood clots were given the wrong treatment at first. how dangerous was that? >> that can be quite dangerous, anderson. this is a complicated problem. the way to think about this is you have two almost opposite things happening at the same time. these blood clot so you get a collection, a blood clot in a blood vessel draining blood away from the drain. so typically if you get a clot,
you may think well, let's give blood thinners like heprin because of the clot. the problem is you're collecting a lot of the clotting platelets in one area so that you're also at risk of bleeding in other parts of your body. so you wouldn't want to give heprin in this case. it a lot to observe but you're clotting and potentially at risk of bleeding at the same time. >> heprin is a blood thinner? >> yes, there are other thinners that would work better in this situation or other medications together. it's not that common a problem so that's part of the reason for the pause to say hey, look, these sconditions need to be treated in a certain way. >> correct me, i'm probably wrong but people have covid in autopsies, they see a lot of blood clots.
is that -- are the blood clots that these few individuals in the johnson & johnson vaccine have been -- is that relateded to colovid? >> first of all, you're right. the disease covid is a cause of blood clotds and you have people that developed deep venous thrombosis in their legs and covid toes. this is a different sort of blood clot. the location is typically in these blood vessels in the brain but the cause of the blood clot is different so you can't sort of lump all the clots together. a lot of people said look, maybe it's the birth control pills that increased this. possibly. those typically cause different types of blood clots if a woman is taking those and develops one. >> i see. sanjay, dr. sanford, appreciate it. good to have you. what happens when congress tried to ask matt gaetz about
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federal probe on congressman matt gaetz involving drugs and late-night house parties attended by the florida congressman and local republican. two women in attendance who spoke to cnn said the women were asked to put away their phones to prevent anything being documented. according to receipts reviewed by cnn, gaetz and an associate used digital apps to send hundreds of dollars to at least one woman who attended the parties. associate jill greenberg has been providing information to federal authorities especially on gaetz. he was quiet when cnn caught up with him today. >> congressman, have you spoken with the fbi?
have they seized your phone? has the fbi seize your phone? have you shared nude photos on the house floor? that members have told us that you did? have you spoken to leader mccarthy about the situation about the investigation? the fbi hasn't taken your phone? >> also of interest, investigators in 2018 trip to the bahamas with friends and young women that cnn has previously reported on, politico has new reporting on that. matt duxon shares the byline in the story. what have you learned about gaetz's time in the bahamas? >> most notable about it, i heard in the clip you played there that he wouldn't answer questions about if the feds had seized his phone. they certainly have seized his phone in december. they seized his ex-girlfriend's phone also in december and so
that is sort of a new development in the trip to the bahamas back in 2018 is all sort of part of this extended investigation that we're all -- you know, you guys included -- sort of digging through. there was at least five women involved. they came in and out of orlando and they got stopped by customs in and out. there's several elements and several data points that have helped to sort of put this together based on his cell phone being seized and also that bahamas trip. but there's, you know, obviously still a lot of questions to take a look at. >> he has clearly intimated that he has paid for travel of people he was dating. is that -- i guess that's what authorities, one part of this that authorities would have to figure out, is this it shall are these people he was in a relationship of whatever sort with, or it was this -- a
professional relationship? was it a transaction? >> right. well, it's incredibly important to point out that matt gaetz has not been charged with anything at this point. i don't know necessarily the pushback. another version of this is that it's not illegal to pay for travel of women that you're dating or seeing in some romantic fashion of age. that is absolutely his version of this. you know, there seems to be other elements and the feds are investigating that story and trying to poke holes in it as we speak. but you're right. the point you just made is certainly valid and that is congressman gaetz's version of it. >> there's also been questions asked about the ages of some of the women on this trip. >> yeah. no, without question. the underlying allegation, the biggest allegation that congressman gaetz is facing is that he had sex with a
17-year-old and there's a trafficking allegation across state lines. sources we have reported that's public in politico stories, sources are saying the women were all over 18, specifically on the bahamas trip. so we're talking about the trip that is to the bahamas in september of 2018, that is being investigated. we have folks telling us everyone was of age. but whether or not matt gaetz had sexual relations with someone who is under age is part of this investigation. >> and you're saying you have clear reporting that the feds took matt gaetz's cell phone? >> yes, both his cell phone in december of 2020. his cell phone number abruptly changed. at the point we didn't know exactly what that meant. we couldn't quite figure it out. through hindsight, several months later, it's our understanding his cell phone was taken and an ex-girlfriend of
his, her cell phone was also taken and seized by the feds as part of this broader investigation, yes. >> any sense of where the feds are in their investigation? >> not at this point, from a timeline perspective. cnn, "the new york times," politico have all reported his friend or former friend, joel gr greenberg, a local florida elections official, is facing serious time in prison and is cooperating with federal investigators. at this point, i think that's the extent to which we know from a timeline perspective. that's kind of where we're at, at this point. >> matt dixon, appreciate your reporting. thank you so much. >> thanks so much. >> president biden announcing america's longest war will soon be over, ordering withdrawal of u.s. troops in afghanistan after 20 years. what some of his senior-most advisers told him before he made his decision when we continue. just get a quote at libertymutual.com.
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