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course we are still in a pandemic. on sunday according to police potter grabbed her gun instead of her taser and shot wright a. 20-year-old father, during a traffic stop, shot and killed him. court documents showed police tried to arrest wright and wright pulled away jumping into the driver's seat and fired. a prosecuteser has charged potter with second degree manslaughter and that could get upgraded. kimberly anne potter caused the death of wright whereby she created an unreasonable risk and consciously took a risk of causing death or great bodily harm to daunte wright. before you give us the latest on this zoom hearing, it's my understanding daunte wright's
family just spoke? what did they say about this charge that kim potter faces? >> the family is saying the charge is not enough. they say it's a step in the right direction but they want to see more serious charges specifically a murder charge. now, the family gathered inside of new salem missionary baptist church and it's in the heart of north minneapolis on the city's north side, and we heard the family speak so passionately. keep in mind they are still grieving the death of the 20-year-old, and while they grieve they are making sure they stand up and propel their message, the message they are repeating over and over is police accountability. listen into what they had to say and then i will tell you about that hearing. >> everybody keeps saying justice, and unfortunately there's never going to be justice for us. the justice would bring our son home to us, knocking on the door
with his big smile come into the house and sitting down and eating dinner with us, going out to lunch, and playing with his 1-year-old, almost 2-year-old son giving him a kiss before he walks out the door. justice is not even a word to me, and i want accountability, 100% accountability. >> his smile, his jokes, everything about him, and she took that from us and i'm very disappointed. >> we can't have him back, so why should she get back in her life? >> the family once again reminding the community and reminding members of law enforcement that might be listening what they believe that officer stole from them. and that officer that they are talking about, 48-year-old kim potter. she appeared in court today for her first initial hearing. now, this hearing took place on
zoom because, brooke, as you mentioned, we are in the middle of a pandemic. the hearing only lasted about four minutes and 30 seconds, and normally during hearings like this the judge will read the criminal complaint which you highlighted at the beginning of the show, brooke, but that didn't happen today. potter waived to have the criminal complaint read. for those of you watching and listening at home, minnesota is experiencing something groundbreaking when you talk about the case involving derek chauvin. cameras were in or are have been allowed inside the courtroom for the chauvin trial but that's a first here in minnesota, and because of rules in minnesota all parties must agree to have cameras inside of the courtroom and today the attorney representing kim potter objected, but interestingly the prosecuting attorney from washington county was in favor of having the cameras inside of the courtroom.
of course we asked to be there and we asked to be inside, but that didn't happen. she appeared via zoom today, her hair down and only spoke once, answering, yes, i am, an answer to the judge if she was present. brooke? >> thank you. let's jump into this. ely, to adrienne's reporting, what will happen next? >> the prosecution has to turn over discovery, you have to turn over all of the evidence and then you enter the phase where the prosecution and defense may engage in guilty-plea talks. we will see if there's anyplace there will come together. and i don't see the prosecutor taking a guilty plea case until it involves significant prison
time, and in derek chauvin's case, they got to trial in about ten months. >> when you go back to the body cam video and you hear the police officer yelling taser, taser, taser, and the police chief said it happened by accident, and tell that to the daunte wright family, they just lost their loved one. should the shape of a taser be different than a firearm? what should be changed here? >> the shape of a taser is actually different from a firearm, and i guess you could argue the handle somewhat does resemble that, and there's something called muscle memory, and you reach for your gun and you don't have to look down and see where it is because you know where it is, and you have done that before, and the same should
apply with the taser, if your mind says taser that's the way you reach in order to get it. i don't know what happened here. it's a high-stress situation. maybe she has not been in many of those type of situations. it's a suburban department. i don't know what the crime rate looks like but there's only 49 cops, and there can't be that much and i am not trying to make excuses, but i just don't get it because it's not the shape of gun and that sort of thing, and it just shouldn't have happened. >> you heard the wright family saying they believe this charge in a step in the right direction, and you heard in the derek chauvin case, how they charged him and could that happen with her? >> once they lodge the initial complaint have the ability to upgrade or downgrade a charge as the investigation proceeds, and we have most of the relevant evidence here in the body cam
footage, and the key legal concept here is culpable negligence. it doesn't matt kwrurb under that statute whether the police officer intended to kill or not, it's did she create an unreasonable risk by drawing anything in the first place, and by making the mistake commissioner ramsey was talking about mistaking the gun and taser for one another. >> let's go back to suburban brooklyn center, and it's a smaller police force and we don't know if she was in the situation before, and i was watching the back and forth of the new police chief, and the black activist asked him, you don't live in our community and are you going to bring your family to our swimming pool this summer? can you speak to why this matters? >> it matters to a lot of people, and listen, i have
experienced one department, the department where i am from, and i have been in d.c. and philadelphia, and philly has a residency requirement, and they just got rid of it. the quality of your service, the way in which you interact with the residents and so forth, you can build relationships and not be from there. but apparently it's a much larger problem they have there when people are raising that issue, when they don't feel the officers are part of the community at all and that's problematic. >> ely, last question, do you think there's a chance a plea deal could be struck here? >> if you are a prosecutor, you have to put her behind bars. that's just -- in terms of
justice, i don't think you can accept a probation plea. it's a big deal for any person to go to prison, especially for somebody who is a 26 year veteran of the police force so this could end up at trial. >> stay with me and i have more questions with you with regard to the other trial happening down the road in minneapolis. we are live in minneapolis's as razor wire is going up around the police headquarters in anticipation of the verdict at some point potentially even next week, and closing arguments are said to start monday. also, the body cam video of the police shooting of the 13-year-old boy in chicago. it is set to be released this hour, and the mayor said she saw no evidence the boy tried to shoot at police. breaking news on the covid front, the pfizer ceo is saying folks who are fully vaccinated, you got your two pfizer shots will likely need a third booster shot at some point this year. we will get you those details.
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police officer decided to invoke his fifth amendment right choosing not to testify. the jury will return monday for closing arguments and deliberations. and josh campbell is live outside that courthouse and this jury has a lot to think about this weekend and on into next. >> yeah, they certainly do, and they received every piece of evidence that will be permitted for them to use as they deliberate. they are on the long weekend and we expect closing arguments in the trial will begin on monday and then they will move to deliberation, and during that process they will be sequestered as they work to possibly render a verdict in the case. i want to show you what the city is doing in the meantime. there's razor wire that is now being put up, i'm told, at all five police precincts here in minneapolis. the one you are seeing is the temporary home of the third precinct which, of course, was set on fire and burned last may during some of the violent protests after the death of
george floyd, and you see authorities leaving nothing to chance out of an abundance of caution, and authorities certainly on edge. >> josh campbell, thank you. let's analyze all of this with ely. up to this point and in your opinion who has presented the strongest case? >> if i am the prosecutor i am satisfied, more than satisfied of how this case came in. it seems this case went as planned. the eyewitnesses were not only rock solid and clear and made an emotional impact on the jury, and i thought the experts on the medical causation and excessive force were about as clear and engaged with the jury as any expert witnesses i have seen in court, and exhibit a in this case has been, is and will be the videotape. the videotape is the thing. i am more than comfortable as a
prosecutor giving the evidence to the jury and letting them do their job. >> what do you make of the former officer not testifying? >> from his perspective probably the best move he could make. he would be totally shredded by the prosecution on cross-examination. there's no upside for him because he will not draw any sympathy at all from the jury, i don't believe. there's no way he can justify his actions, and it was nine minutes and 29 seconds almost half of which the suspect was not even moving, he was not resisting. how do you justify that. plus, you have had chief polices and trainers saying it's not within policy or training as well as other witnesses that have come forward. i don't know how he overcomes that through testimony. all he can do is open himself up
by taking the stand, not only in this case but also his past history. >> just looking at the last 24, 48 hours, there's now a possibility that this case could come down to carbon monoxide poisoning and all the defense needs is one juror to have any doubt. >> yeah, it's wild it could come down to that. this was the theory we heard from the defense medical expert yesterday that one of the contributing causes was carbon monoxide, and that being said i think the cross-examination from the prosecution of that medical expert did damage and then some. he got up and asked the expert, what data do you have to support that, what science, do you have blood measurements and auir
measurements, and he said no. the carbon monoxide thing was a little curveball that came in at the end but if i am the prosecutor i am confident it's something i can address with the jury at closing. >> and you have ever heard of this being an issue in your career? >> i have not heard of it in terms of an arrest, and the only times i have heard about it was suicide or an accidental death from a faulty furnace or something, and that's not something i am familiar with as far as an arrest. >> what can we expect on closing arguments on monday? >> we have seen dozens of witnesses here and they have to be fairly compact, and the prosecution has to bring the focus back to what happened that
day on the street and has to use that video and appeal to the jury's sense of common sense and decency, and that is allowed and part of the jury process. on the defense side you don't have to beat the prosecution. you don't have to out score the prosecution. all you have to do is create reasonable doubt, even in one juror gets you a hung jury which means the trial could be redone, but if you are the defendant that's what you are aiming for, you are trying to hook one juror that has that moment of thinking, gee, i'm not so sure. >> i know you don't have a crystal ball but on all of your years of experience, roughly when might you see a verdict and what is it like waiting for the verdict? >> i want our viewers to be prepared. it's nerve-racking and the parties finish their closing and the jury goes into the closed room and all we will see is the
notes, and the judge will read notes and some may be questions about the law and some may be ordering what they want for lunch and one of them will say we have a verdict. when will that happen? we don't know. i have seen juries deliberate for hours and days, and they are sequestered and they don't get to go home until they are done and i think we will have a verdict by the end of next week. >> ely, commissioner, thank you. we will talk again. up next, a heated moment between jim jordan and dr. fauci -- >> what standard, what objective outcome do we have to reach before americans gets your liberty and freedoms back? >> you are indicating liberty and freedom, and i look at it as a public health measure to prevent people from dying and
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wanting to stick to the science. i will play the whole exchange for you. listen to this. >> we have one year of loss liberty, what metrics and measures have to happen -- >> my message, congressman jordan is to get as many people vaccinated as quickly as we possibly can to get the level of infection at this country low where it's no longer a threat. that is when. i believe when that happens you will see -- >> what determines when? >> i'm sorry? >> what measure? are we just going to continue this forever? when do we get to the point? what standard, what objective outcome into we have to reach before americans get their liberty and freedoms back? >> you know, you're indicating liberty and freedom and i look at it as a public health measure
preventing them from dying -- f >> you don't think their liberties have been assaulted? >> i don't look at his a liberty thing -- >> that's obviously. you think they should be suspended during -- >> this will end when we get the level of infection very low. it's now at such a high level there's a threat -- >> dr. fauci, dr. fauci, over the last year americans' first amendment rights have been attacked your right to go to church and freedom of the press and freedom of speech have all been assaulted for a year now. for a year now americans have not been able to go to church and even today they are limited to how many worshippers can meet? right to assemble? we had a curfew in penn at ten and when you were in your home
you had to wear a mask and you couldn't have people over to your house. >> yeah, congressman jordan -- >> your ability to petition your government, and for a year american citizens have not been able to come to their capitol to petition their government and talk to their representatives, and freedom of the press, and these pictures just showed to you -- guess what? the press is not allowed in the facilities. freedom of speech? i mean, the governor of the third largest state meets with physicians and that -- that video is censored because they were there to disagree with dr. fauci? i was wanting to know when will the americans first get their liberties back? >> you are making this a personal thing and it superintend. >> it's not a personal thing?
>> you are. that's exactly what you are doing. >> no, your recommendations carry a lot of weight, dr. fauci. we just had the chair of the financial services committee and say you are the greatest thing in the world. >> will the gentleman yield? >> no, it's my time. >> can i answer the question, please? my recommendations are not a personal recommendation, it's based on the cdc guidance -- >> i'm asking the question what measures have to be attained before americans get their first amendment liberties back? >> i just told you that. >> no, you haven't given anything specific. you said we hope -- tell me something specific when they get their -- >> right now we have 60,000 infections a day which is a very large risk for a surge. we are not talking about liberties but we are talking about a pandemic that killed 560,000 americans. that's what we are talking about. >> i don't disagree with that and i understand how serious that is and i also understand
it's serious when people can't go to church and business are shutdown and people can't go to a loved ones' funeral, and i also understand the first amendment is pretty darn important and it's been a year and i want to know when those americans will get their first amendment liberties back? >> you said the americans could not assemble in their homes. and they can -- >> not last fall. >> what is the number? >> when we are all congress is vaccinated -- >> wait, you are claiming my time. >> you're claiming my time. >> regular order! >> mr. chairman, i don't want you to answer my question. the american people want dr. fauci to answer the question. what does it have to be?
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ryan, give us a little context for people not familiar with this case and also you have now seen this video. >> yeah, i have seen the video, brooke. first of all, let's just say it's tough anytime you see a police-involved shooting where it's a fatality and it's doubly as tough when you think about the victim in this, or the person shot was 13 years old. adam tau leto was 13 years old. the city has done as much as they can to present this in a way to show why the events happened in the way they happened. we break it down from the start. in the city we know there's a lot of gun violence and with that said there are shot spotters all throughout the city and they are integrated into a computer system, and you hear the shots, eight shots reported and the officer is responding to it. we saw two people standing on a
corner and it looks like they fired at a moving car as it goes by. this video is very clear. the body cam is activated and and the door opens and you see the officer engaging in a foot chase and then you hear the audio start and he tells the person in front of him to stop running, listen to commands, stop, stop, stop, show me your hands. in less than a second and a half when they slow it down, you can see what looks like a silver weapon in the right hand and the person is turned away from the officer, and that's the 13-year-old, and when the officer says show me your hands, that's when the officer opens fire. it's a split-second decision and it looks like the gun is turning the officer and we have to put it through a process, and it's difficult to watch. it was one shot to the chest. it seems like the officer
responds immediately to try and render aid to that young man, and calls it in. once again, you hear the commands from the second the officer leaves the car screaming towards the young man who is running away, stop, stop, stop, show me your f'ing hands is what is actually said there, show me your hands and it turns and they slowed it down so you can see the gun and it comes up and that's when the officer opens fire. as we talk about this, especially in the city of chicago, one thing i know from covering the city so long, and people don't always drop their guns when running away from officers. this young man was with a 21-year-old. it's believed that 21-year-old was actually the one that fired the shots that set off the shot spotters and that 21-year-old is in custody as we speak. he apparently handed the gun from the 13-year-old as they ran away from officers and that's
when the fatal shooting happened. this will be tough. community members have been calling to see the video for quite sometime. the family had a chance to see the video days ago and they released a joint statement with the chicago police department, obviously -- with the chicago city trying to make calm with folks to make sure there was nothing that would impune his memory and they want to make sure there's no violence in the next few days, and you talk about how difficult it is for police officers making a split decision, and this is tough and when the video comes out there will be a lot of questions, and it appears by the way the video is played it lines up exactly with what the police department has been telling us. the mayor had an impassioned speech today about where we are in this city, and i can say after cuovering the mayor for several years i don't think i have heard her be so clear with the gun violence in the city,
and anybody that lives here, it's heartbreaking to know so many young people have guns and availability to gun, and a stat is that more guns are confiscated in l.a. and new york alone, and it's going to be tough hours ahead to see how the city reacts when they see this video? >> i appreciate all those details and explaining to our audience, we have to put this video through the appropriate systems before we throw it on the air. it's a very delicate system here at cnn. let me ask you this, ryan, just staying with you and given the unrest we have seen nearby in minnesota over those officer involved killings, and these are all difficult, they are all different, but is the city
preparing for demonstrations? >> reporter: brooke, they have to. it's hard to cover the stories over and over again because you feel like you have no recourse to help people, and there are going to be making decisions about the video before they even watch it, but sitting there and watching the video, one, it's very hard to realize that this young man lost his life in those seconds and you realize the split decisions that had to be made by that officer, it appears, because you can see that weapon because when he turns it looks as if the only choice he had was to fire because of the gun in hand and that's what the police department is saying, and it would be interesting to see how the people in the community receive this. my last point before we go, this is completely from what we have, i think you see the coordination between the city and other leaders to try and make sure that this comes across the right way, and it has been very pre
appreciated by some of the community. >> ryan young, thank you for all of those details in chicago. commissioner charles ramsey, what do you think of a all of the chronology of what this officer did? >> ryan has done a great job of duh skr describing the video, and it appears to me that it's a justifiable shooting. it's a tragedy. any loss of life is a tragedy in any individual, especially a 13-year-old. the reality is, if he was armed and turned towards the officer, the officer's use of force would be appropriate within the policy, and these things happen very quickly and people understand that. the question that needs to be asked is what the hell is a 13-year-old doing with a gun? parents know about it? if there was a 21-year-old that handed the gun to him then the
21-year-old needs to be held accountable, and there are things that need to be answered. after the shooting the officer did try to render aid to the young man, again, duty of care which we have talked about over the last three weeks -- >> yes, we have. >> and if you are involved in a shooting you try to help the person you shot the best you can. >> we know this police officer is on a 30-day administrative leave, and this happened march 29th. what do you expect potentially just legally speaking? >> yeah, so obviously the police department needs to do it's only internal investigation and in a lot of jurisdictions it's mandatory any type a police officer fires his weapon. i want to echo and amen at what
ryan said, the family is working with the city and authorities together, and that should help a lot. legally speaking, commissioner ramsey is an expert on the nuances, but i can give you two sort of book ends here. generally speaking police officers are not permitted to shoot somebody just because that person is fleeing even if that person is armed. on the flip side, if somebody is brandishing a gun and pointing it at the police generally speaking they are justified in using it. >> thank you both so much for that. coming up next here on cnn, the ceo of pfizer says even people fully vaccinated may not be finished yet. what he is saying now about a third booster shot, next. ♪ like an echo in the forest ♪ ♪ (singing in korean) ♪ ♪ like an arrow in the blue sky ♪
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big news from pfizer this afternoon, and pfizer ceo says people will likely need a third vaccine dose within six to 12 months after their likely need a third booster shot in six to 12 months. dr. matthew, nice to have you back. we have heard about the potential for booster shot for months. this sounds more solid than anything we've heard to this point. what to you make of this? >> brooke, i'm not surprised. this is such a contagious and easily transmissible infection, racing to kill 600,000 people in the u.s. so, ultimately, what you want in a vaccine is to protect you from the longest time possible. so far, the studies are showing
that we at least have six months of protection. i want to clarify that, brooke. a lot of people are thinking that the science is saying that you only have six months. that's not true. this is is a pandemic that's going on in real time. so, so far, all the people that are vaccinated, you have at least six months. i think it's probably going to be a year, but, yes, with these variants looming and how deadly they are, i would not be surprised if this is going to be a yearly vaccine with boosters. >> adding this to my calendar, doc, thank you. what about michigan? michigan is seeing an incredibly high number of covid cases right now. officials there are literally begging people to get vaccinated. do you fear that this uncertainty around the johnson & johnson vaccine will have a negative impact when it comes to vaccine hesitancy? >> the johnson & johnson vaks o vaccine rollout, unfortunately,
has not been the greatest. it could have been a save-all vaccine for not only the u.s. but the entire world. one shot, done. people who are bedridden, hospitalized, elderly people who cannot get to a vaccination center could have really been saved by this vaccine. i just hope that the cdc can come back quickly after they have enough information. let's keep in mind, it's only six people that developed this very rare condition. and it's a rare blood clotting condition. i've actually seen it one time in my residency. it is deadly. i'm not undermining it. ultimately, they will come back and have some age restrictions, maybe 50 years and older, no women can get this vaccine but, yeah, of course i'm concerned about it. one last thing, brooke, about that point. this is the time while there is a pause in the johnson & johnson vaccine for people to go ahead and schedule the moderna and pfizer shots, which are very safe and effective. and they don't have any of these
blood clots associated with those vaccines. >> dr. mathew, thank you so much as always. >> good luck, brooke, with your future. tomorrow is your last show. thank you for everything. we'll miss you. >> thank you. thank you so much for that. president biden says he will talk to vladimir putin today after slapping new sanctions on russia for its meddling in the u.s. presidential election. adam schiff speaks to cnn about it, ahead. we didn't stop at storage or cloud. we kept going. working with our customers to enable the kind of technology that can guide an astronaut back to safety. and help make a hospital come to you, instead of you going to it. so when it comes to your business, you know we'll stop at nothing. [typing sound]
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eight years ago today, the world watched that deadly bombing at the finish line at the boston marathon, killing three people, injuring more than 260. this week's cnn hero is one of the survivors of the blast. heather abbott's life was forever changed by the injuries she suffered that day, and yet she found a way to turn that tragedy into triumph. >> i heard the first explosion just ahead, in front of me. the next thing i knew, a second explosion occurred just to my right, and that was the last thing i knew before i landed in the restaurant on the ground. i was in the hospital for
several days while doctors were deciding whether or not to amputate. it was hard to come to terms with the fact that i am an amputee at first and had my injury not happened in such a public way, where there was so much assistance available, i never would have been able to afford multiple prosthesis. so i decided to do what i could to help people get those devices that simply couldn't get them because they were out of reach. it has been life changing for them. and a lot of them remind me of that. feels very rewarding to be able to do that. >> so special. you can see how heather is helping amputees get these custom prostheses. while you are there, take a moment, nominate someone you
think should be a cnn hero. i'm brooke baldwin. thank you for being with me. hope to see you tomorrow. my last day at cnn. hope you'll tune in until then. "the lead" with jake tapper starts now. we begin with the world lead. i'm jake tapper. imposing sweeping sanctions on russia, blocking 46 russian officials operatives and entities all of them from entering the united states. and also preventing americans from doing business with them. the biden administration also today expeling an additional ten russian diplomats/operatives from the united states. the moves are, the administration says, punishment for moscow's interference in the 2020 election, its occupation of the ukrainian territory crimea and the massive solar wind