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ability to bring laughter and happiness to whatever room he was in. he taught her endurance and the depth of love. our thoughts and prayers with reanyway-her family we are with you and love you. that does it for me on this friday. thank you for joining me this week. i'll see you back here monday. in the meantime follow me on the twitter. newsroom continues right now with broork baldwin. hi, i'm brooke baldwin. it's friday. you are watching cnn. thank you for being with me. america is just getting pummeled with one national tragedy after another. the latest blow, this mass shooting in indianapolis that has left eight people dead, five more wounded. and the rampage erupted when not just one but three deaths tied to police officers are gripping the country. the most recent coming to light, a boy name adam talado, the city of chicago released bodycam
video of the officer shooting the 13-year-old child days after brooklyn center police in minnesota showed the final moments of daunte wright's death. that was outside of minneapolis. and that happened mere miles from the trial of the former officer accused of killing george floyd. now, in indianapolis, police say the massacre was over by the time first responders actually got to the scene at this fedex facility and that the suspect -- the phuketed gunman killed himself. and it has been exactly one month since the shooting spree in the atlanta area where a shooter murdered eight people, six of them asian women. and that was followed by the attack in boulder, colorado, claiming the lives of ten more people. in the last month alone, the last month alone, the u.s. has suffered through at least 45 mass shootings. and in each of the incidents at least four or more people have been shot, wounded or killed.
and now in a hotel near this fedex facility more families are forced through the worst uncertainty of their lives, that wait, to find out if their loved one made it. cameras captured one major moment where prayers were answered. >> oh, thank you, god. >> cnn's jason carroll is live in indianapolis. and jason, i know -- you know, it's -- i just -- i don't even have the words. i know that these families are looking for a why, like the motive. so if you know anything -- i imagine it's too soon for that. do you know any more about the suspected shooter? it's my understanding he was known to authorities. >> that is correct. and we're going to have more reporting on that for you. what is clear and see
investigators here are really trying to do what they cannot to reveal a lot of information. but a lot of information is coming out nonetheless. i want to start by where we are here at the scene, brooke. the scene of the federal express facility just a short while ago. out in the parking lot where the shooting started about 11:00 last night. we saw a stretcher being brought out through the parking lot into the facility. and that's because some of the victims, their bodies are still inside. and so it's a grim scene here. it's something that -- that you can imagine is -- it's just someone's worst nightmare. and so police are still here. it's still very much an active crime scene in terms of the suspect. a lot of information not being told about him, even though investigators are searching his truck. investigators are searching a house they believe the suspect lived in. they are not releasing the suspect's name officially even
though it's clear they know who the suspect is. during a briefing not too long ago i said you interviewed a number of witnesses did any of the witnesses say they knew the suspect. they couldn't confirm. was the suspect a former or current employee of fedex? they could not confirm that either. but what they did do is go over some of the abcs of what happens when the suspect showed up at 11:00 last night and started shooting. >> this suspect came to the facility. and when he came there he -- he got out of his car and pretty quickly started some random shooting outside the facility. there was no confrontation with anyone that was there. there was no disturbance, no argument. he just appeared to randomly start shooting. and that began in the parking lot. and then he did go into the building -- into the facility for a brief period of time before he took his own life. >> again, eight people dead, the
fbi is actively involved in this investigation. in terms of a motive still wait fog hear what that may be. >> jason thank you so much. i want to talk this over with my next guest charles ramsey cnn law enforcement analyst who led the police forces in philadelphia and in washington. chief, the fact that this happened in one to two minutes, that's how long this whole thing lasted, one to two minutes, eight people have been killed. what do you make of just how fast this happened? >> well, i'm not surprised. i mean, these high-powered weapons being used now can expel a high number of rounds in a very short period of time. i mean it doesn't take long to do it. and so i'm not surprised in the least that it was only a couple of minutes before it was over. >> i just -- i have in perspective of how having my own
perspective of you know working at cnn for 13 years. i have covered shootings really since virginia tech many, many years ago. and here i am on my last day at cnn find myself covering, you know, yet another mass shooting and according to cnn analysis here there have been at least 45 mass shootings in just the last month. chief, how did we get here? and do you think this will ever change? >> well we got here because we don't do anything about it other than talk about it. and send a few thoughts and prayers around. but, i mean, there is no action at all. you aren't going to so stop every single shooting but i find it hard to believe that certain steps if they were taken might keep the guns out of the hands of the wrong people. i'm not anti-gun. but i do think and believe in responsible gun ownership, which means only those people who, you know, should have guns and in other words are not criminals or they're not suffering from a fishing kind of mental disorder -- not all mental disease but some, where they're
a threat to themselves or others. but it's not going to happen. it's not going to happen after this. just like it didn't happen over sandy hook. >> right. right. all those first graders and teachers and the principal. >> yeah. >> i know, listen -- i know, i know. and here we are again. and this is america, right? this is america. on this particular case in indianapolis sources say a family member contacted authorities about the suspected shooter's potential for violence. and ultimately the fbi close the its inquiry, essentially concluding there wasn't enough evidence to really do anything about it. you know, it just -- having been the head of huge police departments i have to imagine, you know, you've certainly been familiar with this kind of situation. i mean, how can -- how can authorities only do so much? >> well, is it depends on the nature of the information that they're receiving. and i'm sure we'll find more out as time goes on.
but, you know, depending on what the person did was, did he mach a threat? what did he do? i mean, you know, it's easy to find red flags after the fact. but the reality is when you're dealing with a lot of this stuff, the flags aren't red yet. they may be orange but not red. but to be able to take any action, confiscating guns, bring aperson in for questioning all those things, you have to have something, some kind of probable cause in order to be able to do that. you don't always have it. and you have a lot of people out there that really, you know, have dangerous tendencies. and you can't surveil them all. until i know more about what the nature of the threat really was, if it was in fact a threat or the information passed along, it's hard to pass a judgment on it. >> yeah, i hear you. and it's still so new so much we don't know. there are still bodies in the fedex facility, right, chief ram. >> yeah. >> thank you very much. stay with me because i have more for you on something else. to the latest development on the deadly police shooting, new
bodycam video released from kmi police shows the moment this officer made this split-second decision to shoot and kill 13-year-old adam talado after police say the boy was seen holding a gun at the end of chase. happening last month. the police say the video show less than a second passes from the time he was seen holding the dwun to when he was shot and killed by the officer. the video also shows the teen raising his hands an instant before a single bullet fired by the officer takes his life. and just i want to warn you before we show this to you, the video you're about to see is really tough to watch. >> stop. stop right there. blch. >> hey, show me your hands. shot fired shot fired get an ambulance over here now. look at me. look at me.
>> police ooivrd that officer as erik stillman, a lawyer representing him says the officer feels horrible but was justified in using deadly force. cnn's ryan young joins me now. and ryan what more do we know just about the status of the case and what the victim's family is saying. >> well, brooke, as you can understand this has been very tough for everyone who is involved. i've talked to veteran police officers today who work here in the city of chicago who patrol the streets and say a lot of them are even heart broken at this reality, the reality of the fact that gun violence is so pervasive in the city that they felt like this was a justified shooting. but at the same time their hearts are broken for the fact that a 13-year-old was lost. as you show the video and watch it and so many different ways if you watch if full speed, you sort of miss certain details. and of course the chicago police department started spotlighting parts of it so you could see the weapon that they say the teen had in his hand. now all this happened because of
the fact that there was a shot spotter technology in the area. and because of that shot spotter police were indicated that there were eight gunshots fired in the area. a 21-year-old was arrested as well in connection with this. but everyone is sort of focused on the 19 seconds. it's about 19 seconds from the time the officer arrives to when he gets into that foot chase to that fatal moment where in a split second a edition was maid and that shot was fired. the officer of course rendering aid very quickly. but brooke you take that all out of this. there are people who are concerned about exactly what happened and could have something been different. you hear over a and over again as the investigation continues, could the officer have not fired? well, the police department believes the officer made the right decision in that moment. but of course this has been tough for nabeighborhoods and t commune. we were behind protesters i was there walking through the streets of the chicago.
and they were upset. we didn't finishing march until very late. you know again tonight they'll be back on the streets. >> follow them, give them a voice and follow this investigation. ryan young, thank you so much. coming up on cnn, how brooklyn center and minneapolis are preparing for their weekends in the wake of the death of daunte wright and the closing argument in the trial of derek chauvin. also this racial reckoning in america, all amid a pandemic. i'll talk to my good friend rapper activist, father, michael render, otherwise known as killer mike. what he wants every american to do to know right now. and new research on the vaccine front. testing now underway in children as young as 2. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. we'll be right back.
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. we are back here. you're watching cnn i'm brooke baldwin. for a fifth straight night protesters poured into the streets of brooklyn center, minnesota in response to the fatal police shooting of 20-year-old daunte wright. now these protests remain peaceful and came hours after kim potter, the now expolice officer charged with second degree murder in the death. made her first court date. her next court date set for may. we don't know how the charges will play out. daunte wright's mother says justice will never be served. >> everybody keeps saying justice. but unfortunately there is never going to be justice for us. justice isn't even a word to me. i do want accountability, 100% accountability, like my sister said, the highest
accountability. but even then when that happens, if that even happens, we're still going to bury our son. >> cnn's adrian broads live for us. how is the city preparing going into the weekend. you were talking about the fencing going up. >> more fencing has gone up since we last spoke. here in brooklyn center and beyond, members of the national guard remain overnight in communities across the twin cities. law enforcement officials with operation safety net said about 25 minutes after the curfew expired there were nearly 200 protesters out here. but get this, about 90 minutes or so later there were only 20 people left. so significantly lower. and no reported arrests. but the protesters are echoing the sentiment of the wright family saying they want more
serious charges against potter. she made her first initial court appearance yesterday and lasted less than five minutes via zoom and she only spoke once yes i am when the judge asked if she was present. and earlier today daunte wright's mother talked about that initial appearance for potter. she said her heart broke once again when she saw potter appear on the screen answering that question, and she waved into the camera. she said she was sad, angry and felt helpless. as she spoke today, a group of mothers and fathers surrounded her, all parents who have lost children at the hands of police. and including valerie castille. her son was shot and killed during a traffic stop. listen in. >> how do you keep having murder after murder? we don't have time to recover.
i'm mad as [ bleep ] again. and again and again and again. in is ridiculous. and it's the same thing. i fear for my life. baby if you are not scared you need to to be a greeter at wal-mart. >> for those of you watching and listening, if you live long enough, you might experience or see what it's like to lose someone you love. but these families have not only lost a loved one, they -- they are grieving a bit differently because think about it, their family member dies at the hands of police. and then they have to set their grief aside to stand up to fight for what they call justice. and right now daunte wright's mother is surrounded by families who have been fighting and will continue to fight. brooke. >> a club no one wants to join. adrian, thank you. in brooklyn center. and just a matter of days just
down the road from where adrian is a verdict could be reached into the fate of derek chauvin, the former minneapolis police officer charged in the death of george floyd. closing arguments set to begin monday following chauvin's moves to invoke his fifth amendment right on the defense team calling seven witnesses in its attempt to clear him on charges of murder and manslaughter. now if convicted of most serious charge chauv. faces up to 40 years in prison. elie honig is a cnn legal analyst and former district foreign southern district of new york. charles ramsey with us former philadelphia police commissioner and chief in washington. elie let me start with you. looking ahead to, you know, today and through the weekend, what do the next three days look like for each side as they prepare for closing arguments monday. >> they are cramming like mad. i've been there. the trick with closing arguments is if you're the prosecution you have called 38 witnesses over about two and a half weeks. but you have to give the closing argument to the jury on monday in really a few hours.
if you are going longer than a few hours you lose that jury. they have to hit the high points. what were the most important pieces of evidence? who were the most compelling witnesses? and they will remember, remine the jury that exhibit a is that video, the 9:29 is the heart of the case. the defers is not looking to outdo the prosecution just poke holes, a big enough hole so that one juror will say i have reasonable doubt. that's the dynamic we see play on monday. >> as elie pointed out commissioner, the defense is brought forward the seven witnesses to make the case for derek chauvin specifically. of course his innocence. but did you hear any of them really address the fact that chauvin, you know, kneeled, leaned on george floyd's neck for the 9 minutes 29 seconds even after he was passed out? >> no, i didn't. and there is nothing they can say that would justify it. that's why you didn't hear anything. so, you know, people were raising all kinds of other
issues, you know, it was drugs, heart, cashen monoxide you name it. but nobody addressed the issue of 9 minutes 29 seconds. i think the prosecution put on a very strong case. i believe their closing argument will be equally strong. and i agree with elie that the video is the star witness to this entire incident. in my opinion, i mean, he shall be convicted. that's just my personal opinion. but i also understand that juries are juries. and all it takes is one to either have a hung jury or a mistrial. but he should be convicted and he should get the maximum sentence as far as i'm concerned. >> let's go through just for everyone who has been watching in trial with us. there are the three -- elie, the three separate charges the jurors will be considering. so second degree unintentional murder, third degree murder and second degree manslaughter. just help us understand what jurors will ultimately be having
to decide on. >> sure, brooke. first of all i want people to understand, each of those charges stands alone. the jury will vote separately on each of those charges. so they may convict on all three or two of the three or one of the three or none of the three. the top charge is a second degree murder. the prosecution has to prove that derek chauvin intentionally assaulted not necessarily intended to kill, but intentionally assaulted used excessive force against george floyd resulting in his death. the second charge is the third degree murder which charges what we call deappraised mind murder. meaning essentially chauvin created unacceptable really ridiculous risk and took it anyway. the classic example is shooting into a crowd. then the lowest charge is the manslaughter charge. and there you have to prove culpable negligence this is the same charge that's been lodged against the former police officer in the daunte wright case. the jury can pick and choose. we'll see what they come back with. >> chief,s let's pivot to
chicago and the 13-year-old adam talado. remember require young was excellent. he had seen the video now we have all even seen the body camera footage of the shooting and the split second decision and the shot from the officer. having seen it what do you make of it now? >> well, i mean, you have to see all the video associated with the case. and there was a lot of video from a lot of different angles not just the bodycam video. it's still my belief that the officers actions were reasonable. it's tragic, no question about that. but and when you look at it through the eyes of the police officer and, you know, less than a second he had from the time the kid dropped the gun which was hidden behind a fence -- he consee it from where he was to the time he spun around and of course his hands were empty that's not a lot of time for reaction. so, you know, when you look at that here is a 13-year-old with a 21-year-old known gang member at 2:40 a.m. with a gun.
i mean, nothing good could possibly come from something like that. and so it's just a tragic set of circumstances all the way around. but the officers's axes are nowhere near what we've been talking about the last three weeks or so. >> appreciate it, gentlemen. thank you. still ahead researchers are testing the pfizer vaccine on kids as young as 2 years old. that's next. out here, you're a landowner, a gardener, a landscaper and a hunter. that's why you need versatile, durable kubota equipment. our retirement plan with voya, keeps us moving forward. hey, kevin! hey, guys!
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got breaking news for you out of the white house. the major reversal from president joe biden on the number of refugees allowed into the united states. so let's get right to the chief white house correspondent kaitlyn collins what have you learned. >> this is significant because this is something you saw president biden talk about often even when he was asked why is he running for president? he talked about the way president trump treated the immigration system and one of the things he did was lower the refugee cap, the number of refugees allowed into the u.s. each fiscal year to historic lows, to 15,000. and president biden says he was going to raise it by thousands when he got into office. his secretary of state notified congress they were bringing the cap up from 15,000 to 62500. so over 60,000. you can see what a difference that is. but time and time again we had not seen president biden sign
the paperwork formally raising the cap. but it's something the white house was being asked about on a near daily basis. now we learned that they are walking back that pledge. they are no longer going to be raising the refugee cap. and instead they are changing these allocations of which refugees can come from where. this is something that you kind of tried to see the trump administration circumvent which refugees were coming because they only allowed them from certain countries, not allow them in great numbers from places like africa. of course there are a lot of refugees in africa trying to come to the united states. what they are is changing those numbers in a declaration that you're going to see president boyden sign today. but by not raising the number you are already seeing a lot of outrage. definitely from progressives, people like congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortes, tweeting earlier today saying she believes this decision by president biden not to raise this refugee cap is unacceptable. and we've asked the white house for reasons why they are not doing this, what is the change?
because last week i had asked the press secretary, jen psaki if president biden was committed to raising the cap to 62,000 given he talked about it so much and his secretary of state talked about it. and last week she said yes. they were committed to doing so by september 30th, the end of the fiscal year. but now we are seeing them change it. and one reason they did say was not just the way the trump administration changed the refugee program in the ways they did but also because of the surge of migrants that you see at the southern border. even though it's one office that processes this or two different programs that do it. but they say that's a contributing factor to sigho why you are seeing president biden walkway back on this campaign promise. >> thank you for the update on the change on the frunles thank you at the white house for us. let's get to covid. researchers now testing the pfizer covid-19 vaccine on children as young and 2. stanford medicine in california started administering doses to
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spread it easily. it's not as easy for them to wear masks and practice good hand hygiene. until we really get them vaccinated we're not going to be out of the woods yet. >> i know that at least kids under the age of 16 they remain unvaccinated, even as they head back to school. could we see covid vaccine requirements then for kids? >> it's very possible. and you know, schools colleges, some of them are already talking about that requirement. elementary schools, high schools may be doing it as well, because, again, this is where kids are in close quarters. it's almost impossible to keep kids appropriately distanced if they're not vaccinated. that's part of the growing up experience and part of the socialization that's goes on in schools is allowing them to be close to each other. i think vaccination is a key element there. >> dr. raj, good to see you thank you so much. >> nice to see you. >> republicans across the country are still working to limit access to voting. where things stand right now, next.
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right now across the country republican lawmakers are trying their hardest to pass these voting laws, the critics say would make it harder for so many people to cast ballots. supporters of the measures insist is makes voting safer. the sweeping bills include measures limiting access to ballot boxes and restrict mail-in voting to name a few. and cnn chief political correspondent dana bash is following this for us. tell me start with florida. tell me about the legislation. >> um-hum. well, look, brooke, this is very similar to what we saw in your home state of georgia to what with see trying to move through the legislator in texas. and i'll give you some examples of what is in this legislation in florida. it would require all votes to request a -- voters to request vote by mail ballots more
frequently. it would limit hours for drop boxes, allow only immediate family members to drop off vote by mail ballots and would have a signature matching requirement. so the, again, just like we have seen in other states, this is being done by republicans who argue that this is all in the name of protecting the authenticity and the integrity of the elections and not about suppressing votes. and you certainly see in here a lot of people saying, you know, give me a break. just for example, a drop box, why won be there be more drop boxes for people especially if you can make sure itself in most of them look at 2020. there was surveillance, cameras, waying to authenticate that you know what they were putting in there were actual ballots. and you know, it's just the open question, again, brooke, why would any state make it more
difficult, not easier for people to vote, especially given the fact that, you know, despite what we have heard from so many. >> yeah. >> you know, conservatives who are just not telling the truth, there wasn't any evidence of widespread fraud, not even c close. >> or even drink water have bottled water in the line. tell me about the bill in arkansas, this no water bottles for voters bill. >> it's similar, really similar again to georgia. and that is a bill that would ban water bottles for voters. and it would -- non-voters would not be able to go to the perimeter of the polling place. it would -- the bill would ban clerks from sending unsolicited absentee ballots to voters. and the measure would require strict signature match for mail-in ballots. again, there are a lot of people who are looking at voting reform
and voting integrity and saying, you know, there does need to be assurances that, you know, that the person giving the ballot in really is that person. and it really does mean to vote for whomever it is, the slate of candidates that they are voting for, that that's fine. but, you know, your question was important, why falnot water. >> right. >> because the election system is still really antiquated in a lot of places. people who are determined to vote sometimes have to wait in line for a very long time. >> yeah. >> especially in the south where it's still hot around election time. why shouldn't they be able to have water brought to them? again the people putting the bills in place argue that, because you can't trust the people coming up to them online, you don't know what's going to happen. but -- you know there are ways to make it -- to allow people to hydrate and make it safe. >> right. right. how do you think this affects mid-terms in 2024?
>> you know, i mean, it's -- assuming that these pieces of legislation go through the state legislatures in these key swing states that we're talking about, like florida, like georgia, it could really affect these -- these state races, these senate races, these house races in particular, because one of the main reasons -- let's just stick with georgia -- that georgia for the first time in generations went to the democrats for the presidency, the democrats for the senate, is because the democrats followed the voting laws that the republican legislature put in place and got out their voters. and so if now the law makes it harder for voters to do that democrat duty, it could change the vote in a very big way, because the numbers were so high for democrats. and that is the goal. there is really no other way to
look at it. and in any moment of candor republicans who are doing this will pretty much admit it. >> um-hum. all right, friend. thank you. good to see you good to have you on. >> thank you, brooke. >> thank you. >> we'll miss you, brooke. >> oh, thank you, thank you, dana. >> after weeks of seeing black men die at the hands of police, is america ready to reform our criminal justice system? activist rapper michael render, killer mike, joins me next.
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indianapolis that's the number of mass shootings we have had in the u.s. so far this year. that's according to the gun violence archive. in the last month alone these are the cities deal with all the tragedies across the country, cities like chicago in the midst of the reckoning of how police respond to these incidents, the 13-year-old fatally shot by a police officer in chicago. of course in minneapolis we've all been following the trial. george floyd's family waiting for this verdict. and one of the most consequential murder trials in recent memory. on my last day here at cnn, the one person i knew i wanted to have on, my friend, activist rapper, father, community leader, michael render, killer mike. mike, i love you. thank you for making the time. i know i've been head down for months in a record studio. thank you. thank you for coming on with me. >> thank you for having me. you just unofficially announced i've been recording. but i've been recording the past six months. so. >> sorry, mike.
sorry, mike. >> >> what better place to come out and say, i've been rapping. >> i love you and i apologize. let's -- let's -- >> let's do it. >> let's do it. i interviewed, i think it was seven years ago in the wake of ferguson. here we are again and again and again. you know, we're having these conversations. this is america. you're a father. how are you doing? >> well, man, it's been a rough week. my youngest son went on dialysis and is going to need a kidney transplant in the next couple of years so i wanted to talk about more about that as the summer comes. i want to wish similar solidarity, but i'm supposed to be at the center with him. your dad loves you and i hope you're watching. i would like to say as a dad in this country it's a scary time because officers of the state continue to use the uniform of the state in an abusive way. that isn't just the killing.
that is the abuse in the way i've seen people online be talked to by police. that's in the way i've seen a u.s. soldier be engaged by a police officer, a lieutenant. that's the way i've seen people who have the authority of the state, including people who belong to the united states army, bullying a black child in the same neighborhood. there is something wrong in this country where regular citizens who are empowered by the state are choosing to abuse that power on other citizens. and i think a day of reckoning is coming in which the greater base of us, the actual citizens who pay with our tax dollars, these people's taxes, there's a day coming in which everything must radically change. law enforcement the way law enforcement has changed, people who make laws. things have to change or we will not be electing them and the way people should be protected once they make brutal mistakes like killing people. bitcoin, ben & jerry's ice cream are pushing to allow officers of
the state to be held accountable. >> your father was a police officer. you have two cousins who are police officers. i have been in your barbershop, swag shop, right, where you all, the door is open, members of the community, members of the law enforcement community. mike, ultimately, black men and boys and women continue to be killed at the hands of law enforcement in this country. you mentioned your project with ben, but how else do we make it stop? >> qualified immunity is a big one. in america, america understands two things -- violence and money. if you're able to finally sue, not only sue the departments and the city, because what happens is police department are killing people that look like me and not look like me, and we have to continue to pay for their tension, and as taxpayers, we have to pay the families. the families would much rather have a live family member. let's get qualified immunity
thrown out. beyond that, i am not a fan of people policing areas that they don't look like the people there. they're not sympathetic or empathetic to the people there, they don't live in that community. >> you think that matters? >> yes. >> i was talking to chief ramsey, and he said not neces necessarily. black man, been in policing for 40 years. but you say absolutely? >> absolutely. i have no personal disagreement with chief ramsey, but what i do say is chief eldrin bail in alabama was inspired by the first eight black policemen in atlanta that were not even allowed to carry guns. they had to change in the butler's pantry not in the police office. it's because of those officers that men like my father and cousins were able to be policemen here. i absolutely, unequivocally disagree. if your city is 50% black and you don't have a 50% or better black police force, you're going
to encounter problems. i don't care if that's detroit, atlanta, chicago, jacksonville, anywhere in between. not only if you're not black, but a black person that's sympathetic and empathetic to the community. i introduced the world to tommy no norman. you dealt with his community. you got a chance to see him marry a black woman, see him be a person who was sympathetic and empathetic to the people he's policing. no way an officer of the state who is brown should be harassing and spraying in the eyes pepper spray of another brown person. so, that brown person shouldn't be a police officer. i need him replaced with a brown person that understands and will walk and talk that other brown person through in the same way i've seen a 61-year-old white man hit a policeman with a hammer, drive off with a cop in the car and get taken in without being shot. the state is empowering people who look like me and don't look like me to be less empathetic, more sympathetic and more brutal. this must end. if you cannot empathize with the community you're in, you should not be policing that community.
>> just going to let that sit for a second. i want to broaden this out. this is my final last question for you. something that you said once upon a time to me really sat in my heart. i wrote about it in my book. in is outside of law enforcement. something so simple. it touched me so deeply when you said it to me in 2014, i had my team cut the sound bite. roll it. this is killer mike in 2014. >> on a daily level, how can we make this better. >> first of all, we can get out of our comfortable norms. meaning you can go to a different church with a friend on sunday and have a different experience. you can engage in i a different social climate thain you're used to. you can make a friend that doesn't look like you and you can find someone that doesn't look like you to converse with and be open and honest. >> do you remember that and how that is so damn important? >> absolutely. absolutely. i challenge you, who just heard
that for the first time i challenge it for the people that heard it seven years that did not do it, do it. this friday go with your muslim friday. this saturday go to synagogue with your jewish friend. go to a different church or mosque or synagogue, go to a different temple. go somewhere and meet someone and have a conversation with someone who is not like you, not from your cultural background and continue to push humanity forward. i got an opportunity to ask the dalai lama a question a few days ago. i asked him why when every religious organization, every religion ever has told us love is the greatest conquerer as all that we as human beings continually choose here? i don't know if he answered correctly but the answer was profound. we must put our religious and cultural differences out the door and see ourselves as one race and species and people. the only way you get to oneness is to acknowledge your difference, make friends with people who are different from you so you can see and
acknowledge the differences on a personal level and then begin to see the similarities that bond us all. the creator that put my people closer to the equator, which calls me to be dark with curl canny hair is the same creator that causes those to have lighter kin and lighter hair. there's no difference in the origin where we come because we were created with a purpose to have us live in peace and love and harmony and every day we choose not to connect with others is a day we choose chaos and warfare over there. >> killer mike, i love you. i hope you'll still talk to me after i said the thing. >> absolutely. i love and respect you. i always will. what a better place to know i've been rapping and non-cnn related, fellow journalists, i want to send love and respect out to jovita moore, local there atlanta, she's having surgery for brain tumor. she's someone i would like my daughter to grow up and be like. love and respect. >> love and respect, killer
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