tv The Lead With Jake Tapper CNN April 16, 2021 1:00pm-2:00pm PDT
welcome ba"the lead." i'm jake tapper. we start with our national lead. the epidemic of gun violence in the united states of america and another, another mass shooting. this one leaving eight families with funerals to plan and another community asking why, and could there have been prevented and if so how? we know overnight in indianapolis a male gunman opened fire both outside and inside a federal express facility. he killed eight people, injured several others and then killed himself. the fbi says as of right now it is too early to speculate on any motive, but three law enforcement sources tell cnn that a family member of the suspected shooter had previously, previously gone to authorities warning about the potential for violence. we'll have more on that in a moment. today flags across the united states, including at the white house, are back at half staff
yet again. president biden continues to promise action. in a statement he said, quote, too many americans are dying every single day from gun violence. it stains our character and pierces the very soul of our nation. we can and must do more to act and save lives, unquote. this massacre, this latest one in indiana, is the 45th mass shooting in the united states in just the last month, and we're defining mass shooting as four or more individuals shot, not including the shooter. this is a statistic no nation should ever face, and frankly most do not. it is depressing. honestly it's embarrassing. mass shootings have become so common in america that anniversaries of mass shooting are overlapping. today marks -- i'm sorry, 14 years since a gunman killed 32 innocent people at virginia tech in one of the deadliest mass
shootings in american history. we're going to start our coverage in indianapolis today where moments ago we got some breaking news about the fedex shooting suspect. let's go to cnn's miguel marquez. miguel, it appears the suspect used to work at this very fedex facility. >> reporter: yeah. the fedex spokesperson says that the peterm operator used to wor at this very place as investigators try to figure out why this happened. in less than a couple of minutes -- >> he just appeared to randomly start shooting. >> reporter: eight more lives lost in america's latest mass shooting. >> he was firing in the open, and i immediately ducked down and got scared, and my friend's mother, he came -- she came in and told us to get inside the car. >> we heard three more shots, and then my buddy levi saw someone running out of the building and then more shots went off. >> reporter: officials say a
gunman entered the sprawling fedex facility neither indianapolis airport just after 11:00 p.m. last night. after opening fire in the parking lot killing four, he killed another four inside. seven more injured in the rampage. >> he got out of his car and pretty quickly started some random shooting outside the facility. there was no confrontation with anyone that was there. there was no disturbance. there was no argument. >> the shooter used at least one rifle, police say, responding within minutes to what police described as a chaotic crime scene, but gunman had already killed himself inside the building. >> i'm a little -- i'm a little overwhelmed. >> the fbi is assisting local police in searching the suspect's home and car. so far investigators haven't identified the man, but cnn has learned he was known to federal and local officials after a family member reached out to them warning of a potential for violence. >> it would be premature to speculate on that motivation.
i can tell you that there is no further threat. >> reporter: family members of victims and those who worked at the facility gathered at a nearby hotel as police worked to identify the victims. the facility, the second largest hub in fedex's global network with more than 4,500 employees. until a statement fedex said the company is deeply shocked and saddened by the loss of our team members. >> nothing we learn can heal the wounds of those who escaped with their lives but who will now bear the scars and endure the memories of this horrific crime. >> reporter: now, on that -- that indication to federal and local authorities that there was some concern about this individual, there was an investigation open, but the fbi is saying they eventually close it had because there wasn't enough information to keep it open. we expect an update from police in just a few minutes. jake? >> all right. lots of questions there about
whether or not a red flag law could have been invoked, how the shooter got the gun and more still. a lot of questions unanswered. miguel marquez, thank you. joining us now is an emergency room physician who has spent a decade researching gun violence as a public health crisis as it is. dr. rainy, you said, quote, these mass shootings are the tip of the iceberg that a titanic of a country is heading into, unquote. what do you mean by that? >> so mass shootings, jake, are horrific and should be never events, but they represent less than 1% of the gun deaths in our country on an annual basis. every single day more than 100 people are killed and more than 200 -- >> i'm sorry, dr. rainy. we're going to come back to you. but we have to take this press conference out of indianapolis right now. >> after i do that, you'll have a short period of time to ask some questions, and i'll certainly try to answer what i can, but, again, many of those questions are still left unanswered, and i won't be able
to provide that information. just after 11:00 the indianapolis metropolitan police department received a call for service at 8951 mi rabil road which is the fedex ground plainfield operation for shots being fired outside of the building. as they were responding, officers received information of a male walking through the parking lot shooting a rifle. responding officers received additional information that a man shooting a weapon entered the building and multiple people were shot at the location. officers arrived and began securing the scene by searching the business interior and exterior for the suspect and for anyone in into evidence medical services. officers administered first aid and life-saving techniques until the indianapolis emergency medical services arrived on the scene. iems transported four victims with injuries consistent of a gunshot wound to various hospitals in the indianapolis area. two other victims received minor
injuries and were treated by iems at the scene and released. a fifth victim with injuries consistent with a gunshot wound sought medical attention in another county. officers located a male with injuries consistent with a self-inflicted gunshot wound inside the building. preliminary information gathered from the statements and evidence lead detectives to believe the male is the suspect in the shooting at this location. this individual has since been identified as 19-year-old brandon hole. fedex officials have confirmed that mr. hole was a former employee at the facility, and he was last employed in 2020. there were at least 100 people in the facility at the time of the incident. many were changing shifts and were on their dinner break. detectives have served several search warrants at multiple locations and are continuing to gather evidence to determine the facts that led up to thursday night's incident at the fedex ground plainfield operations.
anyone with information on this incident is asked to call crimestoppers anonymously at 317-261-tips or the impd homicide office at 317-327-3475. i'll now try to answer any questions that you guys have, if i can. the. >> was the weapon an assault we op, ar-15? >> it was a rifle. specifically i don't know a make and mold, but it was a rifshlgs yes. >> do you know if he was fired? ? if he was fired? >> [ inaudible ] >> i don't have that information. i just know that he was last employed in 2020. >> [inaudible ]. >> so we've recently identified him so now the work really begins trying to establish some of that and see if we can figure out some sort of motive in this, but we don't have that right now. >> what can you tell us about whether or not he was on impd or fbi's radar? >> the only thing that i can tell you he was found in a couple of police reports. that's all that we have.
one of those is from last year, and one was from i believe 2013 possibly. >> [inaudible question ]. >> that's what was in the 2020 report. that's correct. >> did his girlfriend work here? >> i have no information on that. >> are you able to elaborate on these reports? >> excuse me. >> are you able to elaborate on the report? >> i honestly don't have a lot of information on that report. i know a gun was seized in the one from last year but that's all the information i have on it right now. >> how much search warrants total are you executing? >> i couldn't answer that. we have a couple locations. we have a vehicle. we certainly have -- we may have electric nick devices that if we seize those we'll seek search warrants on. >> there is an indication that there was an investigation early
on, that a family member had contacted police here and fbi, that there was an investigation opened and eventually closed, but that gun that you all seized, that was part of that investigation. you don't have any knowledge of that investigation? >> i don't have that information. >> between your department and the fbi? >> there will be discussion between us. >> previous. >> not that -- not that i'm aware of. >> if he was a former employee, what brought him back here last night specifically? >> i wish we could answer that. no idea. >> so nothing happened leading up to this last night? >> not that we've learned at this point. that's obviously -- those are the questions that we work to answer right now, but we don't have those answers. >> have familiar lives all the victims been notified? >> we're still working on that. the coroner's office is working to make those notifications, and that's still going on as we speak. >> have all of the victims and the suspect's body been removed from the scene. >> not at this time. >> do you know if he possess that had gun legally that was
found on his person last night? >> i don't yes. i don't believe that's the case, but i don't know that for sure. >> i don't believe that -- that's correct. >> and not legally -- he wasn't legally -- >> at this point i don't know that it was illegally possessed. >> you don't know if it was illegally possessed. >> correct. >> what did you seize from the home? >> i'm not going to give that information. >> with regard to the victim, was there any characteristics that tied them together, race, religion, anything else? >> not -- not at this time, and we're still -- like said, we're still identifying victims so we still don't have all that information. after everyone is identified then we'll certainly start working to see if there is anything that ties them together, ties them to the suspect, anything like that. >> what kind of police background does he have? >> the report that i'm familiar with is last year, and i know a gun was seized from him in a report approximately a year ago. >> do you know if the suspect had any relationship with anyone
inside the fedex facility, girlfriend, family members, anything? >> no. we don't have any information indicating that right now. >> no information as to why he was terminated? >> i don't know that he was terminated. >> do you know when he last worked here in 2020? do you have anything more specific? >> i don't have exactly when that is. i believe it was in the fall of 2020, but i don't know that for certain. >> did any of your witnesses indicate to you that he said anything as he was going about doing this? >> not that i'm aware of, no. >> the gun that was seized in the march report, was that the current report? what was the status of that? >> we're looking into that. >> and you're speaking to his family? >> sure, absolutely. >> is there something you can share from that? >> we're certainly not going to share our conversations with -- with his family. i don't think that would be appropriate on many levels, but,
no, we're not going to share that. >> what happens here now with the investigation, sir? >> well, the same thing that's been happening, you know, since late last night, early this morning, so we continue. crime lab is still here. they are finishing processing the scene. they are working closely with the coroner's office. we're to the point now are we're identifying victims, making notifications to the family and then hopefully we will wrap up the processing of this crime scene here very shortly and be done at least with this portion of the investigation. >> are all the vix victim's families been identified yet. >> >> that's still going on as we speak. >> thank you. >> [ inaudible ]. >> so the coroner's office is responsible for actually positively identifying the victims, and there's -- there's a very strict set of criteria that has to be met, and so those are either dental records, dna or identification by family, so
obviously any i.d. that they might be wearing certainly helps us, sets us in the right direction, but we still have to go through the right steps with the coroner's office to make the notifications. >> they said that there's some type of security that employees have to go into before they go into the security. did it happen in the breezeway right there, or are you not going to share that? >> as i said before, there is some physical security inside that entryway and it served its purpose and did what it was supposed to do last night. >> thank you. >> all right. you've been listening to police in indianapolis, specifically indianapolis deputy cheek craig mccartt giving an update on the police shooting. police identifying 19-year-old brandon hole who they identified as a former fedex employee as the suspect in the man shooting at the fedex facility overnight. police say they still do not have a motive. they note that he worked at that
facility until 2020. still with us is dr. megan rainy, an emergency room physician who has reacsearched n violence as a public health crisis. you said these mass shootings are just a tip of the iceberg that our titanic of a country is heading into. please explain what you meant. you can start at the top, of course. >> thank you. jake, let me just say that my heart goes out to the families of all the folks in indianapolis and their families across the country. these mass shootings are horrible. they should never be events, but they are the tip of the iceberg. it's about those 100 deaths and it 200 injuries every day, each of which leaves an equivalent ripple effect tearing apart communities across the country. the things we don't talk about the suicides which make up two-thirds of gun deaths, the domestic violence homicides which are often deeply tied into these mass shootings and the
fact that firearm injury is the second leading cause of death for american kids. each one of those deserves to be talked about, and it's only when we approach gun violence as a public health epidemic and addressing each of those different types of injury that we can even begin to hope to make a didn't in these mass shootings which are the terminal event in the series of horrible things that are going wrong across the country. >> much of your advocacy has been fueled by your experience treating victims of gun violence. what is it like to be in an emergency room where you're dealing with gun shot victim after gunshot victim? >> taking care of gunshot wounds is a daily occurrence for e.r. docs across the country, and too many of us have been on the receiving end of these mass shootings. let me tell you, jake, that some of the worst cases i have taken care of are not what most of us imagine, right. so it is certainly about gang violence, but it's also, again, about the domestic violence
homicides, the young women who are shot by boyfriends, fiancees, the young men who shot themselves to take their own life. it's exhausting. it is emotionally drank, and i think one of the most frustrating parts for many of us over the past 20 odd years has been that we were told that there was nothing we could do about it. we just had to accept it as part of our job, and i often think of the parallels to covid. they are similar in so many ways. there's a from us trafgs sitting at a patient's bedside and wondering what could have been done differently, and that's really what's driven me and many others to take up the clarion call that there is something that we can do to change the trajectory on firearm injury. >> in fact, the people who are responsible in so many ways for stopping any sensible legislation involving background checks and the like, they have actually prevented people like you from doing research on this issue as a public health issue. you've been -- beyond that you've also been discouraged
from pursuing that as you became a doctor because so many of your colleagues said it was too police camp has that conversation about gun violence as a public health issue, has that changed at all in recent years? >> it has shifted, you know. a little over two years ago i and many others across the country led #thisisourlane talking about how gun violence was a public health problem, sharing both our personal stories and, of course, the clinical stories that every physician, nurse, respiratory therapist and social worker has. that led to a shift this year or in 2020 for the first time in 24 years. funding was released from the federal government directly to the nih and cdc to study gun violence as a public health problem. that -- i cannot tell you how transformative that was. i mean, it's the equivalent of saying imagine that we knew covid was here and we hadn't put any money towards studying how to fight it or to create vaccines or to study whether
masks worked or to study treatments. we were in the same space for firearm injury for 24 years where there was really no substantive federal funding to help us create solutions, so it has begun to shift, but it's still only a drop in the bucket, and we are far behind where we should be in terms of creating good public health solutions. >> all right. dr. rainey to be continued. we'll have you back to talk more about this issue. thank you for your time. this terrible week, the derek chauvin child, the deadly shooting of a 13-year-old boy in chicago and the shooting and killing of daunte wright and president biden is today with the prisms japan. we'll bring that to you live from the rose garden. stay with us.
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both leaders will speak and then they will take questions from reporters. we'll bring that to you live once it begins, but, first, let's dive into our national lead. on top of the epidemic of mass shootings, the united states of america is facing a different infliction point and crisis when it comes to race and policing. with some unsettling examples just this week. in chicago the police body cam video was released of a 13-year-old boy adam toledo shot and killed in an officer's split second decision during a chase. police claim the boy had a gun in the moments before he was shot. toledo's family attorney says the boy was trying to comply with the officer's demand to show his hands. that's just one case and then in brooklyn center, minnesota in, daunte wright was shot and killed sunday. the then police chief said that now former officer kim potter mistakenly pulled her glock and shot 20-year-old instead of using her taser and then, of course, in nearby indianapolis, the case that put one of the brightest spotlights on rarnl
justice in america the killing of george floyd. closing arguments will begin monday after gripping testimony in that murder trial of former officer derek chauvin. so how is the united states of america handling all this? let's bring in our guest w. camel bell, host of cnn's "united shades of america" along with alfi breeland noble. let me start with you, camel, the mass shootings and deadly shootings, are these moments that will inspire change, or just where were as a country right now? >> you know, i think that we are -- they are not going to inspire change if we keep looking at them as separate acts, if we keep looking at them as individual acts and not as systemic failure of policing then they won't inspire change and that's what a lot of people are feeling. a lot of white people are like i didn't know. we have been known, as i say. we knew this was happening and we have to worry about getting away from the bad apples. at trevia noah said this week
the tree is rotten. system of policing in america is rotten tree built on top of black people and against black people. >> on an emotional level, not the political sociological level that kamal was talking about, but on an emotional level how do we process this? >> i don't know that there's any one way to process it. for many of us it's just heavy. i've talked about how before for african-americans and black people, people of the african diaspora this is daily, unfortunately, and so, you know, this is not just today. this is historical. this is many years ago. this is yesterday. this is hopefully not tomorrow but you never know what's going to happen so i think for most of us who are black and for those folks who love black people, this is just he have and it's traumatizing. we talk about this issue of vicarious trauma. this is pretty much all of us who are black and love us are experiencing in this moment and for other folks it's just witnessing the people they care about struggle with this and wanting to do something but feeling powerless to be able to
make any kinds of change. >> kamal, you went so far as to call conservative pat robertson woke for this moment on the 700 club. let's roll it. >> i'm pro police, folks. i think we need the police and we need their service and they do a good job, but if they don't stop this onslaught, they cannot do this. why don't they hope their eyes to what the public relations are. they have got to stop this stuff. >> as our friend don lemon put, it it can't just be black people talking about this problem. >> yeah, and i think, that you know, first of all, i was kidding i don't think that pat robertson is pretty woke. i don't see him with antifa any time soon, but i do think when you see somebody like that who has been clearly been so pro police and clearly not in the lavin talking about this, the fact that this old man, this old while man, this hold white man
of immense privilege can talk about it, that shows that there's a real problem, and i hope that he keeps talking about it, because this is important that white people hear it from other white people. >> he seems to be saying that he wants police to succeed and as long has police keep ignoring this they are not going to be able to succeed so he's coming at it as an ally. the alfie, these police killings are not new. there was a church in chicago after what happened in ferguson that tried to educate young black men on how to get home safely in a powerful public service announcement. this is from 2014 i believe. let's roll that tape. >> do not make any sudden movements and keep your hands out of your pockets. >> number seven. >> do not. >> do not. >> do not. >> do not. >> do not. >> do not. >> do not run, even if you are afraid. >> even if you're afraid. >> i mean, just devastating
seeing these little boys and girls saying this. and as you know these cases present a unique stress when it comes to black boys and men in particular. how do parents break through? how do you make sure you're having these conversations effectively? >> i think my spouse and i were actually talking about this today, and my spouse is a male and a black man, and he talked about, you know, what's horrifying is even with all of those admonitions, even with all the encouragement around, you should do "x," you should do "y." don't run. be still, be complaint. say yes and no. be very clear there's still no gaur guarantee that you won't be hurt, you won't be shot or hurt. that's the part that's scary and horrifying. i'm a black mom with a son and a daughter and it just horrifies me. it scares me, so one of the things that we can't do is we scant stop having these conversations with our children in age appropriate ways. we don't want to overwhelm kids. i think we also have to ask
parents and the friends, the parents of our children's friends to also be accountable and not shy away from these conversations because we can't have these conversations in a vacuum, so for parents, you know, for black parents out there, i say keep talking to your children, keep shielding them from things until they are ready to engage and take them in, and i think often we're the best judge of when our kids are ready to have the conversations, how much information, the ways in which we share the information, but what we can't do is avoid it and act as if these things aren't real because our kids are going to confront these every time they walk out of the door, so we have to be be prepared and prepare them. >> absolutely. it's a conversation that white parents need to have with white kids as well about what this is like and how it's not fair that you have to have those conversations with your children. >> just be clear. none of that guarantees your black child is going to come home safely. >> right. >> that's the frustrating part. that's why we have to talk about the system. tackir rice doesn't know what
happened. john crawford doesn't know what happened. cops have shot black people who didn't even know they were getting shot by cops. >> that's right. >> they just shot and died. >> w. kamal bell and alfie, thanks for talking to us. catch a new season of kamal's show "unit shades of america" that premiers sunday at 10:00 p.m. eastern on cnn. president biden with the japanese president and we'll bring you the press conference live and also the covid vaccine, getting as many people vaccinated as possible. stay with us.
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welcome back. president biden is about to speak from the rose garden any minute now. it's a joint news conference with the prime minister of japan and we'll bring that to you live as soon as it starts. in the health lead, a huge milestone, more than 200 million vaccine doses have been administered in the united states, more than 200 million and starting next monday every adult in america will be eligible to get a vaccine. that doesn't mean it's going into their arms as of monday, but they will be eligible, so when, of course, the big question -- when can children start getting vaccinated? when will it be safe? cnn's nick watt filed this report. >> what i'm most concerned about the numbers which are most monmy mind are the rising cases and hospitalizations among those who are not vaccinated. >> reporter: average new daily
cases up more than a quarter in just a month. those more contagious variants now count for about half of new infections, so -- >> the administration is investing $1.7 billion from the american rescue plan in an effort to more effectively track emerging and circulating variants across the country and to better prepare the country for the next pan demic. >> reporter: vax news now nearing a quarter of the u.s. population. fully vaccinated come monday, every adult in america will be eligible, but no johnson & johnson shots for at least another week. cdc committee will meet again next friday if benefits outweigh potential ring. reports of these blood clots after vaccination appear to be literally about 1 in a million and -- >> putting this vaccine on pause for those that are front line health care workers have really been devastating. >> reporter: meanwhile pfizer says this. >> there will be likely a need
for a third dose somewhere between six and 12 months and glen there there will be an annual revaccination, but all of that needs to be confirmed. >> ongoing already are clinical trials looking at a boost of the original wild type virus vaccine as well as a boost with a variant swiss figure. >> reporter: researchers now testing that pfizer vaccine on kids. >> why don't give it to her right in her arm. >> reporter: and kids as young as 2. the key, what size of dose is best for little bodies? now, two teams of doctors say they are getting pretty close figuring out what might be causing the clots, the very rare clots seen after some johnson & johnson and aft zeneca vaccines this. they say will help them treat the clots whether they are connected to the vaccines or not, and, remember, no link has actually been establish.
meanwhile, the biden administration and the cdc saying, listen, this pause of johnson & johnson proves that our safety system works. this should in fact increase confidence in the vaccines, not to increase vaccine hesitancy. jake? >> all right, nick, thanks so much. appreciate it. let's bring in dr. sanjay gupta, the chief medical correspondent. let's start with the pfizer trials on kids as young as 2 years old. you have three kids. i've got two. i'm eager to get them all vaccinated. if testing goes well, how soon could we see the vaccine available for children? >> well, i think this is actually going faster than we even thought, jake. we know in the 12 to 15-year-olds there will be an emergency use application, really just an amendment to the emergency use authorization. they are going to basically show the data that they have on 12 to 15-year-olds. it looks good. the fda will review that. first we thought that wouldn't happen until the fall and sounds like this might happen this summer and as nick watt just
mentioned kids as young as 2 years old in five different sites around the country, 144 of them are in this trial looking for safety, looking for the right doze, and, again, if that data kofnlgs back positive by the end of the year possibly there could be an amendment to the authorization for them as well. moving along pretty quickly. jake. >> what will that mean for getting kids back into classrooms? >> well, you know, it's interesting. i think it will be helpful. it will help lower risks because these kids will now be vaccinated. i think as you and i have talked about, i think it's -- it is possible to -- to create environments where the schools are safe now, even seaver than the surrounding communities, so i think the vaccine will be helpful, but kids are obviously at lower risk of getting sick. they are at lower risk of getting infected, so it will have some difference. i think the bigger difference may be that it helps us as a country get towards herd immunity because there may be so many adults who aren't getting the vaccine that kids may make up that shortfall percentage.
>> and san. as more people get vaccinated, 200 million shots so far, what's your advice to those who are worried about potential symptoms from the vaccine? you and i both experienced some relatively minor symptoms from when we got vaccinated. should people take painkillers before they get vaccinated after specific drinks to stay hydrated, what do you think? >> yeah. i don't think you take the painkillers before, two reasons. one is that you may not need them. why take them and if you're an older person it may be risky to take some of the painkillers but if you need them afterwards you can take them. the second reason not to take it before is in part you're giving the vaccine and basically inducing this inflammatory response. if you give anti-inflammatories ahead you may blunt the response a little bit. if you're having significant symptoms take them after. plenty of fluids and also sometimes people will sort of get this itchiness or a covid
arm that can look quite dramatic. antihistamines can help with that. covid arm in one arm the first time, second time ask to get the shot in the other arm, but things like that, but symptoms are pretty self-resolving, jake. >> yeah, i had the chills and then it went away. i was fine the next day. dr. sanjay gupta, thanks so much. appreciate it. we're standing by for president biden to start his first in-person joint news conference with a world leader of his presidency. we'll bring the two live from the rose garden as soon as it begins. stay with us. presidency. emergency planning for kids. we can't predict when an emergency will happen.
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than one forgotten mask in your jacket pocket, in your car, your junk drawer. what happens when the pandemic is over and all the n95 masks get thrown away. as cnn's bill we are reports the sudden mass production of ppe is causing a waste problem around the world and the biggest consumer, the health care industry, is finding creative solutions to help save the plan in the early days of covid the dire shortage of ppe left many frontline health care workers painfully vulnerable, but now so many masks are made each year they can cover an area the size of switzerland. >> now everybody is aware of ppe, and everybody in health care is being asked to use more ppe. >> we now have almost 70,000 people to potentially use a mask every single day. so the number went from 200 operation theaters and patient floors to literally 70,000 a day. >> that's from one hospital
adding to an already staggering amount of plastic waste coming from our health care system. >> we estimate that it's somewhere around a million tons per year of clean plastics. they had a million tons per year in the u.s. we're estimating it's probably equivalent in europe and probably about the same amount in asia. unfortunately, today i would say probably the majority of it is still going to landfill. >> landfills if we're lucky. the ocean conservancy collected more than 100,000 pieces of ppe during the second half of 2020 alone, and that is just a tiny tip of a mountain of pandemic plastic waste. manufacturers went into overdrive to produce billions of pieces of ppe, things like gloves, things like garments, things like masks, beard nets, hair covers, suit covers, personal protective equipment has already been around but due to covid it's now a monster
stream. >> reporter: recycling conditions are taking note of discarded p p-but those coming from hospitals aren't as simple to process. >> waste coming from certain areas like hospitals does qualify as hazardous waste which means legally from a regulatory standpoint we can't touch it. >> recyclers are afraid to take materials from hospitals because maybe there's a shirng in there, something came in that wasn't supposed to and they didn't catch it in time and they had to shut down their whole plant and disinfect everything. recycling is really third on the hierarchy when comes to dealing with waste. the first to reduce the use of plastic and the second is to reuse and then the third is recycle. >> reporter: it's a situation that's forced the cleveland clinic to rethink and look for other ways to reduce their plastic footprint. >> we found a local company, cleveland whisk, that started to make the sanitizer for us. we bottled the sanitizer and send it out to err facility every day and we have a combination of glass and blastic containers where we're filling
these things constantly. >> we started a collect early on of the ppe that we could resterilized, the n-95 masks and other gowns and personal protective equipment and nobody ever imagined that that was even a possibility. >> reporter: we've also been trying to innovate and we're building a process to actually turn those lower value plastics that we can't recycle into fuel. >> we went and found seamstresses in the city of cleveland, and we sourced a really good cloth material, and we produced cloth masks. >> reporter: as masks help fill our land fills all the faster, the flow of plastics into our oceans is expected to triple by 2040. more than two-thirds of u.n. member states would be open to a paris-style agreement that might stem the kind of pollution found now in every link in the food chain. the u.s. so far has been notably silent. bill weir, cnn, new york.
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s. we're standing by for president biden to speak alongside the japanese prime minister. they will also face some questions from reporters. that could possibly include questions on an ever shifting policy on refugees from the biden administration. right now officially biden has said he's not going to raise the annual limit on the number of refugees from the position that trump had it so he'll keep it at the previous level under president trump. multiple humanitarian groups called it disturbing and shameful but it's also possible
that this is going to shift again. let's bring in cnn's kaitlan collins. biden went after trump when he was a candidate and then he announced they would have the same level, only 15,000 refugees, and now what's going on after the announcement, they are shifting is again? >> reporter: yeah, it's a backtrack of an earlier pc track, jake, that's all happening in one day and now the white house is saying next month president biden will set a new refugee cap that comes after he set one already this year saying he was going to bump it up from the historically low level set by president trump at 15,000 and raise it is to 62,500 by the end of this fiscal year, so september 30th. yet, of course, it's april. he still has not actually signed that paperwork, so for weeks we've been asking the white house why hasn't he signed it yet, because it was having real life repercussions. these are people who have gone through years of vetting sometimes who had plane tickets booked to come to the united states and the tickets were
getting cancelled because they couldn't actually come in under this historically low limit set by former president trump. earlier today officials confirmed to cnn and the "new york times" and "washington post" and multiple other outlets they were going to leave that cap at 15,000 because they had several reasons. they blamed it on the lack of infrastructure really in the refugee process over at dhs that was left over from when president trump was in office. they also said because of that surge that you're seeing at the border, that that was affecting it, but they did say, yes, it's staying at 15,000 and now we have a new statement from jen psaki talking about raising this cap next month. we don't know what that number is going to be, but it doesn't appear that that's going tonight 62,500 level. just to give you an idea, jake, of how quickly all of this is changing on the white house behalf. this is what jen psaki said last week when i asked her is president biden committed to raising it to his original stated goal that he had in january? is the white house still committed to raising that cap to
62,500 by this fiscal year? >> yes. >> reporter: of course, that's no longer happening, even in the new statement we got a few minutes ago jen psaki said it's unlikely after meeting with immigration officials that they would likely be able to achieve that goal of 62,500 so we'll be waiting to see what it is from the white house. of course, people's lives are hanging in the balance kind of waiting to figure how the what this number is going to be and now jen psaki says we'll figure out the new refugee cap in about a month from now, jake. >> about a month from now. so a reverse of the reversal. all right. my head is spinning here. kaitlan collins, thanks so much. tune into cnn this sunday for "stunion. "my co-host dana bash will be joined by democrat karen bass of california, dr. anthony fauci, jake sullivan and former speaker of the house john boehner.
we continue right now with more coverage. thanks for watching. welcome to our viewers from around the world and here in the united states. i'm wolf blitzer in the "the situation room." president biden is holding his first in-person meeting with a foreign leader, japan's prime minister in what one administration official describes as, quote, a clear signal to china. they are getting ready to hold a joint news conference in the rose garden over at the white house. we will, of course, have live coverage. that's coming up momentarily. well ear also learning new details about the suspect in a mass shooting at a fedex facility in indianapolis that left eight people dead as well as the gunman. a short time ago police said the suspect was a 19-year-old former employee, and we've learned that authorities were previously warned about his potential for violence. this is at least, at least the 45th mass shooting here in the united states in the last month alone. we're also following developments in chicago right now where the mayor is urging calm as the city braces for