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>> larry: we'll continue to keep in touch. thank you for being with us. the jacksons are here tomorrow night "ac 360" is here right now. larry, thanks. the people amanda knox' parents are talking to, trying to free her from being imprisoned in italy. we'll can their senator, maria cantwell from washington what she's doing and what she wants hillary clinton to do and what she thought of the conviction. we'll look at the backlash as italians ask americans what gives you the right to complain about our courts. also, we want to take you inside a clinic where abortions take place. what do american women go through get an abortion. how do they pay for it? how does insurance affect whether or not they have an abortion. we'll look at all of that on the frontlines. and later, a leading democratic
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senator separated from his wife nominates his girlfriend for a top government job, never mentioning they have a relationship. does that sound ethical to you? you might be surprised by the reaction of his fellow senators. the raw politics on that tonight. first up, though, amanda knox, serving a 26-year sentence, appealing the verdict as her parents launch a full-court press in italy and here at home to free her. secretary of state clinton was asked about the case over the weekend. listen. >> i honestly haven't had time to even examine that. i've been immersed in what we're doing in afghanistan. of course, isle meet with senator cantwell or anyone who has a concern, but i can't offer any opinion about that. >> so you have not expressed any concerns to the italian government? >> i have not, no. >> she says she hasn't expressed any concerns to the italian government. sound like a bland statement, right? well, not to the italians. once again, we have rule number one for an american accused of a
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crime abroad. doesn't matter if they're innocent or not, all that counts is their passport. it goes on to say the administration can't find time to close guantanamo but it can find time attack the sentence in perugia. amanda's parents are asking their senator, maria cantwell to help. i spoke with the senator earlier to might. have you had a chance to express your concerns directly to the secretary of state? >> i have not. we have put in a call. we hope to meet with her and hope that she will advocate for what we believe is the need for a fair trial by an impartial tribunal. that's a standard we think usual be for, whether there's a trial in the united states or a trial in italy. >> so you don't think that amanda knox got a fair trial? >> i don't. i think the issue is that i think there was so much information, false information
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that was, that was unsubstantiated, a system where the jury was not sequestered, and it had so much media attention, i advocated early on that i didn't think she could even get a fair trial in perugia, given the enormous amount of media attention about her in the media. >> that seems to contradict what the state department said. the state department spokesman said he didn't have any indication amanda knox had been treated unfairly. >> well, i'm not sure as he's familiar as the state department spokesperson as the details with this case. we plan to make sure the state department and the secretary of state understand that it's important to make sure when in's a u.s. citizen abroad and they're in legal trouble that we advocate for a fair trial by an impartial tribunal. i would hope that the italian government would advocate for the same things if one of their residents was here in the united
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stat states. >> a lot of legal experts friday night said, you know, they thought she was innocent, but said she was convicted on evidence which frankly many people in the united states would have been convicted on as well. do you buy that? >> i did not hear that from the friday night experts. i heard a lot of friday night experts questioning the process, and you know, the united states and the european union do want to have a rule of law, an that rule of law should be for a fair trial. and that fair trial needs to have an impartial jury. we know in the amanda knox case, the jurors weren't sequestered. the amount of information of tainted evidence, the fact that there was mission information about amanda knox that was leaked to the press and out there in a very pervasive way, makes it very hard for a jury to have that kind of imimpartiality
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in this case. so we suggested a long time ago they move to a different venue, that the jury be sequestered, that information that was false information not be allowed into the court testimony. and we're going to continue to advocate for that. >> do you believe amanda knox is innocent? >> i think the issue is that americans traveling abroad if gotten into legal problems should have access to a fair trial and an impartial tribunal and that's what needs to happen in this case. >> so you're not taking a stand one way or another on her actual guilt or innocence? >> i'm making a point on the process. >> what's the next step for you? >> we are sending letters to the european union about this, and we are hoping to meet with secretary clinton. >> senator maria cantwell, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> more now about what happened in court, what happens during the appeals process which could take as long as two years with amanda behind bars the entire time and what tap haps on the
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diplomatic front between now and then. former assistant secretary of state jamie ruben. a senator can write letters but essentially there's not much the american government can do, is there? >> intervening in a fellow democracy's legal system is pretty tough. italy is an unusual legal system. they have some pretty wild cases there. the cia was just tried in absent yeah far case involving extraordinary rendition. the president is under investigation every week in the italian justice system. but if there is good news is it's in the european system, there are very many appeals processes. and i think if the united states follows this as low asly, there are opportunities to -- i don't think intervene is the right
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word, but certainly provide the support necessary to make sure every legal means are pursued. >> lisa, how do you think all the attention and the outrage is because she's an innocent looking pretty 22-year-old girl. i mean, there are -- as you said on friday night, there are other people in the united states who might be convicted on the same kind of evidence here. >> that's right, i was one of those friday night experts. it's amazing to me, anderson, how many of the harsh criticisms of the italian system in the amanda knox case apply equally well in the united states. prosecutors, for example, do not have to prove motive in the united states. prosecutors use animations as defense attorneys do in closing arguments in the united states. the jury was not sequestered in this case. jurors are rarely sequestered in the united states. so here, of course, many people are convicted on the same type of scant evidence that was present in the amanda knox case. namely inconsistent statements to the police and questionable dna evidence. i would hope the same outrage applies to them as well. >> we'll have more from jamie
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and lisa and we'll talk to barbie in italy about the appeals process. the live chat is also up. log on, let us know what you think. isle log on in a moment myself. as we said, we're digging deeper into the case next, hearing from amanda's parents as well. and later, we'll take a look at some of these e-mails and ask if they are a smoking gun proof scientists are cook the books on global warming. or is the research sound no matter what a few scientists are saying back and forth in e-mails? somewhere in america, there's a home by the sea powered by the wind on the plains. there's a hospital where technology has a healing touch. there's a factory giving old industries new life. and there's a train that got a whole city moving again. somewhere in america, the toughest questions are answered every day. because somewhere in america, 69,000 people spend every day answering them.
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amanda knox, now appealing her guilty verdict in the murder of meredith kercher. a verdict built on her inconsistent statement to police, erratic behavior and dna evidence. despite that, amanda's parents say the system was stacked against them. her parents explained what happened between amanda, her boyfriend and another man convicted earlier for the crime. >> amanda and raffaele were seen at raffaele's house. they cooked dinner, they watched a movie, they hung out. all of that is proven through computer records. all the way up until at least, i think, 9:15. now, they believe that meredith was killed about 9:30. and somehow the prosecution claims amanda and raffaele got totally wasted, ran off, found a guy they didn't know, committed
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this murder in about 15 minutes .. it's ludicrous. >> her parents tonight on "larry king." barbie, in terms of the appeals process, how different is it from the process we saw on the first time around. sit more amenable to political pressure? what do we know about it? >> well, i think one of the things that's important to understand in this case, you know, is the fact that the american embassy has monitored this case all the way through. they've had monitors in the courtroom. i feel like i need to say that. because, you know, this -- the case -- she got a fair trial, i think. whether she's guilty or innocent, i think we need to understand that there was an italian also convicted of murder. and the italians are not new arms as the americans are right now on the conviction of raffaele. i just think that needs to be said first up. but in terms of the appeals process, it's automatic here. they have 90 days for the judge
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to give his reasoning and 45 days after that, reasoning is given, the defense has to file their official appeal and then it has to be heard within a year. so it could be within a year and a half that amanda knox will get her appeal. and then there's another step of the appeal, there will be a third step. if she doesn't get this conviction overturned in that first appeals process, she'll probably get a few years knocked off. then it's likely she would be able to get -- to do, you know, get more of her sentences and have it appealed on the third level. >> it's not as if -- if you listen to marie cantwell, it sound as if the u.s. has been ignoring this trial. they met with amanda knox in prison and have been monitoring the trial very closely. what's the toughest thing the u.s. could do? >> u.s. diplomats are doing their consequence lar duty and the conselar office and
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diplomats have been there. through all of these appeals, there was no justice in the perception of lawyers who really took a good hard look at it. if it was determined that there was some, you know, real miscarriage of justice, i don't think the u.s. could really intervene. probably they could declare this part of italy as a dangerous place for people to go and live and travel there and put it in some sort of travel warning, something like that. but it would be very difficult to intervene in any successful way. >> she won a prison essay contest about a woman being injured during a sex fuelled sex party. regardless of whether or not this is true, how much are any revelations like this going to affect her chances of getting off during her appellate process. i find it hard to believe that story and knowing the press in
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particular, it's hard to believe it. but all these stories, all these -- you know, the stories we read about her in italy, how much more difficult is this on the appeals process? >> that's a very difficult question. you look for excuses and you look for reasons for the jurors to have reached this decision and you wonder if the judges at the appellate level are going to be tainted by the media as well. i don't necessarily believe the lower case jurors were tainted by the media. jurors, and i've interviewed hundreds of them after trials, they always say they decide the case based on the evidence. there was a lot of evidence here. appellate judge are used to case where is there's a lot of media attention. they know the tabloid reports aren't necessarily true. i'll not as concerned about the media as some other people are. i think this jury decided this case, however wrongly, based on the evidence they have in front of them. most juries convict in italy and
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in the united states. 95% come back with a conviction. i think that's what happened here. i think the appellate courts are going to take a closer look at it. >> barbie, do you feel like you know what happened the night of the murder. do you feel you have a clear knowledge of what happened, more than you did before the trial began? >> no. absolutely not. i don't think infollowing this feels they understand completely what happened to meredith kercher and how she really died. but a lot of people following is this case are less convinced of their innocence than they are of their guilt. if that makes sense. there is the false confession. there's a murder weapon which amanda knox' dna was on the handle of the knife and what the prosecution said and presented to the jury was the victim's dna on the blade. that's very powerful. we hear a lot of things there's
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absolutely no evidence. the family says not a shred of evidence. well, there's a knife. there's mixed blood. there's a false confession. there is a lack of alibi. no one was ever able to put amanda knox and her boyfriend raffaele at her boyfriend's house. no one ever testified in court. and i didn't miss a hearing, that they were there. you know? a lot of the story is lost in the translation in the united states. unless you really sat the courtroom and listened to the trial all the way through. the defense didn't do a great job of knocking down the prosecution's weak case. that's the bottom line of the story. >> we'll watch what happens in the days ahead. lisa loom, appreciate it. just ahead tonight, adds abortion takes center stage in the health care debate, we take you inside a clinic toe look at how the battle over abortion and insurance may impact the procedure. a stack of e-mails has critics suggesting global warming was cooked up by climate researchers. we'll bring you the computer messages and the facts so you
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insurance is actually used by women seeking abortions. we want to try to get past all the politics. it's not our intention to talk about whether abortion is right or wrong. that's up to you to decide. but we wanted to see what was on the frontlines of these issues. we want to a planned parenthood convention in new york city. take a look. there's three health centers they operate in the city of new york, all of which provide abortion services. we're here to talk to the director. security here is tight. thrust just to go in, there's a guard. you have to pass through a metal detector before you can get through the clinic and then there's a pass code you need as well. >> we go over with health insurance fars the procedure. if they're going to pay it out
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of pocket. they talk to somebody to review what they're in for and get the coverage they need for all services. >> what's the next step? >> we don't want many people to have too many barriers to care. then they can have whatever services it is that they wanted to come in for. and they can have those services within the same day. >> so everything can be done the same day? >> yes, but that's different nationally. >> in terms of counseling, what do they have? >> a lot of information, this is what's happening today. are you sure of your decision? how can we help you think about all of your options. >> so this is where somebody has an abortion? >> yes, this is a procedure room. >> how much does it cost? >> it ranges, in planned parenthood of new york city, it's $450 to $1,200, but it's very variable across the country? >> different states cost -- >> it would cost more if you were flying in a doctor from out
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of state and you need armed guards at your clinic. the price may be higher for a procedure, depending on what you have available to you. >> what percentage of people use insnurns. >> a third of the parents use insurance. >> and if more people had insurance, i mean, if health reform passes and 30 million people were added to the rolls, what impact would it have. >> it may or may not change how people are paying, whether or not they choose to pay out of pocket. i don't think it's going to change the number of patient wes se see. if a woman is going to have it whether or not she has insurance for abortion, why have insurance for an abortion? >>ening it's going to significantly change when a woman as an abortion if she doesn't have health care coverage for it.
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i think she will delay care and could end up having a much later term abortion, struggling to put the money together. and that certainly is a change in health care. >> and you've seen that? you've seen women delaying the process in other places because they couldn't pay? >> absolutely, yes. '. >> what it's liked in planned parenthood in new york city. let's talk to david gergen now. i know you're doubtful the abortion amendment is going to pass. if it does fail that's a big obstacle when it comes time to put the house and senate bills together. >> that's right. and it's important substantively for an awful lot of women. if they do -- if we do have health insurance reform, will they be able to have abortion insurance very easily. and the bill that's being introduced by senator nelson in the eyes of senator nelson and his supporters will prevent federal money from being used for that abortion but would
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still allow insurance. the other side believes just the opposite. it would put highser barriers in the way of particularly poor women. but there's enormous political implications coming from this amendment by senator nelson. essentially insiders are telling me today, anderson, that the white house and senator reid's office, they need 60 votes to get health care through the senate. they think -- they're reasonably confident about 58. they need two more. there are three senators who are now in play to get -- they need two of those three senators to get to 60. one of them is senator nelson. now, if he doesn't get his amendment passed in the next couple of day, he may turn against it, so they would then need the other two, senator joe lieberman and olympia snowe. they need some combination of two out of those three. whether they get nelson or not is very, very important. if they don't get nelson they have to get the other two.
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and that's where this other question you introduced tonight becomes important. there's a second negotiation going on right now in the senate about whether to have -- how to form late the public option. and that is, there is a -- there's a view growing that there ought to be something less than a public option, that both lieberman and snowe might agree. if they could get that, they would then vote. the senate may have a clear passage way to passing this in the next couple of weeks or so. so big, big politics are under way. we are in the home stretch of health care reform in the senate. and too two major issues -- abortion and public options are right on the top of the burner. >> amazing it boils down to those three senators convincing enough of them. senate majority leader harry reid said today, the republicans are going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to health care reform. he made a come bare son that angered a lot of republicans. let's listen. >> you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're right. when this country belatedly
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recognized the wrongs of slav y slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said slow down, it's too early. wait. things aren't bad enough. when women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote. they were told simply slow down. there will be a better day to do that. today isn't quite right. michael steele said reid was way out of line. he actually questioned harry reid's state of mind saying he's lost the ability to reason. do you think reid has gone too far? >> i do. but i think it's important to understand it in context. and senator reid's people told me tonight he's extremely frustrated by the blocking action. the efforts that he sees by republicans over a long period of time to tear down president obama and make sure he has an unsecond sszful presidency. the republicans, on the other hand, feel like this is a bad bill. and they're dragging their heels. and what i do think, anderson, is that he spoke out of
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frustration, but it was also intemperate. i have a lot of respect for senator reid, but i do think in going over the line, here's the danger. it goes back to what we were talking about. the danger is -- the political danger is that it may so alienate the republican caucus that it makes it hard to get senator olympia snowe to vote for the final bill. this final thing could antagonize her and make it much more difficult to do. if substance and politics weren't now intertwined in this health care fight. >> snowe, lieberman, nelson, all boils down to them right now. >> seems to. >> climate change skeptics say prove scientists have distorted the facts on global warming. we'll show you some of the e-mails and show you both sides of the debate. you make up your mind. plus a powerful senator no, ma'ams his girlfriend to a top job in the justice department. does that sound fair to you? you might be surprised to hear
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on sale at bookstores everywhere. >> another united nations convention on climate change began today. 200 countries are attending the sul mitt in copenhagen. the goal is to reach an agreement on gas emissions that most scientists believe are warming the planet. the meeting comes as the head of the environmental protection agency labelled the green house gas emissions a public health threat and said there's scientific evidence to prove it. that's being called into question with thousands of stolen and leaked e-mails from a leading research body. i'm going to show you two of the most explosive e-mails. they were sent among leading climate scientists and what they're saying is creating a new firestorm over the case. they indicate the figures may have been twisted and manipulated. one says trick and writes about
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trying to hide data that doesn't jibe with his position. so the e-mails were stolen from a british university. john roberts is in the uk tonight taking a close look at the e-mails. john, you know, you read these e-mails and there's a lot of them. but many of them, they don't look good. >> yeah, and even the man who wrote them admitted it doesn't look good at first reading, 1999, phil jones write, aye just completed mike's nature trick of adding in the real temps to hide the decline. if you're skeptical, you say wait a minute, they're trying to manipulate the data, they're trying to hide things and use a trick to do it. he said no, no, no what indeed phil jones was trying to do, he had two different data streams and one ended at a certain point and the other one began and he was trying to put the two of them together. oh, that's a clever method of
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being able to do this. but perhaps the one most problem plattic is the series of e-mails trying to resist freedom of information act requests. he actively says if somebody tries to get their hands on this data and gets it through the freedom of information act, he will delete the file before he releases it to them. i put that question about the e-mails to the acting director of the climatic research unit. here's what he said. what's your understanding? >> well, i think the university is trying as fast as possible to deal with freedom of information requests. we've had a huge number, i've got to say. and it takes a lot of time to deal with them. >> he was doing more than just trying to comply with them. he was trying to resist them. >> i can't comment on that. that's the subject for the review. you've got to look at it in the broad herb context as well. individual scientists have views on a particular work that someone else has done for instance, they may well express
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that in certain terms and they may be quite negative about it. that doesn't mean that work is hidden. >> but for a lot of people, this raises a lot of concerns about climate research in general, and the e-mail's impact, not just the research from this university but all climate research going on. >> well, it at least affects this university, penn state, which ch is where michael mann works. and as well boulder, colorado, where another fellow who was in this e-mail chain works. at least three institutions. their work now is somewhat under the microscope of skepticism. but every researcher i talk to -- now, these are all people who do support the concept of global warming, anderson, they all believe even if you took the work these scientists are doing and set it aside, there's aed. that suggests the earth is warmiwarm i -- there's a preponderance of the evidence that there's global
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warming. it won't be until the springtime, and meantime, the copenhagen climate conference will long be history by then. >> john robertings, thanks. so was the professor's use of the word trick lead to deception. do the leaked messages make it tougher to convince people. patrick, let me start with you, you do believe that climate change is real and man contributes to it but not as catastrophic as we fear and not really something man can reverse. if that's correct, what about these e-mails trouble you? >> a lot that troubled me were the attempts to hide things from freedom of information abouts. you've got to wonder what's being hidden. listen to this one.
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can you delete any e-mails regarding the u.n. report. we will get casper to do likewise. and the subject line is foi. >> you were mentioned in some of the e-mails. what did they say about sglou. >> well, they did not like the fact that i had a bunch of articles published in the literature, so they decided they would see who the editors were for those journals and influence their editorial decisions in the future. one famous one says we may have lost control over climate research. we don't want to lose, i think it's geophysical research letters. lose control. these guys are saying they have control over what goes into the scientific literature and they're going to edit papers. that's really dangerous. it biases the referee literature and that's the cannon of science
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we all rely upon to make our consensual decisions. >> bill nye, patrick seems to have a point, trying to manipulate peer review journals doesn't seem like a pretty ethical thing to do. >> having read the e-mails to the best of my ability, with the regard to the expression climate research, that refers to a specific journal that a specific scientist doesn't especially care for. so there you go. the world is still getting warmer, humans are still to blame. the e-mails when you get to them carefully, the e-mails are guys who are generally very, very concerned about the efficacy, about the quality of their research. and their concern is that people like dr. michaels are going to scrutinize it so carefully that they will be able to discredit it without really embracing the overall message. e so it's a concern. these e-mails are hacked. people referred to other people as idiots. i'm very confident that each of
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the three of us have been called an idiot from time to time. but the details in the e-mails are extraordinary. the work they're trying to do, trying to cover so many details, so many millions of data analyzed over centuries is difficult business. and sure enough, if you go through them carefully enough you find phrases that are out of context. >> if your mind, do you have any questions there was a deliberate attempt to manipulate and skew the dat? >> absolute lit. -- absolutely. they said they wanted to boycott certain journals if they publish certain articles. that means that the editors will all of a sudden certainly view things that might get them a boycott with a little bit of trepidation and, in fact, there were resignations from these journals. another one -- >> isn't a boycott good for you, though? >> not at all.
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these guys are major contributors to journals. anyway, and geophysical research editor, they had a problem with an editor because he was at university of virginia. just because i was there doesn't mean the editor was biased. then they said the league was pl -- leak was plugged there. >> does this raise concerns for you, bill, about the vast research on climate change that's been produced over the last few years? not just from this university but in general? >> when you refer to that university, by the way, that's where those data are stored. they have that responsibility. so no, it doesn't. i think just as the gentleman you had from east anglican university referred to -- made mention, when these things are carefully reviewed, you'll see that people are chasing ghosts or phantoms. it's not that serious a business. >> it's not chasing ghosts to say can you all delete your
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e-mails in response to a foi request? >> here's another problem. you're a public figure, have you ever been audited? >> are you talking to me? >> ooieither one of you. it's a very difficult business when you're audited. apparently, my understanding from what i could infer from this e-mail. they have a requirement to report within 20 day, this is in the united kingdom. that's quite a burden. people are in the middle of their academic research, they might have obligations to teach classes. so to have -- in my interpretation of the word skeptic, to have a burden to report in 20 day, we don't want to bother. >> so let's delete the e-mails. >> bill, for you this does not change your view? >> it reinforces it for me. >> the planet is warmer than it was, but the problems aren't going to go away because of these e-mails.
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>> i wish we had more time. >> we still are getting warmer and we still need to do something. thanks, anderson. >> james arthur ray, did he try to cover up the death of another follower in another case? here's a preview. >> july in san diego. scores of people looking to improve their lives paid self-help guru james ray thousands for his three-day seminar. they were told to pretend they were homeless. a bus dropped them off downtown. they had no money or cell phones. when it ended, one woman did not get back on the bus but it ended anyway. less than hour after the event started, colleen jumped off a balcony and killed herself. >> she was a jane doe. >> why she committed suicide was a mystery. her oodbo bod a mystery. her oodbo by wasn't identified l seven hours later.
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and the seminar continued. >> it was disturbing and upsetting. it smacks of cover-up. >> there are disturbing allegations about the conduct of james ray and his company after her death, which they deny, but which were also heard after the sweat lodge deaths. >> we'll look into that and also update you on the sweat lodge deaths tomorrow on "360." coming up next, a lawmaker's personal life becomes a political scandal. imagine that. this time it's senator max baucus. he recommended his girlfriend for a political appointment. and a very close call caught on tape. watch what happens when a woman's purse gets stuck in a train door. what's complicated? shipping. shipping's complicated. not really. with priority mail flat rate boxes from the postal service shipping's easy. if it fits, it ships anywhere in the country for a low flat rate. that's not complicated. no. come on. how about... a handshake. alright.
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broadview security for your home or business-- the next generation of brink's home security. call now. max baucus in the chairman of the finance committee with a big role in the health care debate. tonight he's caught new an unfolding scandal that involves a high political post and a personal affair. while he was separated from his wife, he was seeping another woman, a woman he championed to be u.s. attorney for his state, montana. the republican national committee chairman michael steele is calling for a senate ethics committee investigation. cnn caught up with baucus. here's what he said about his recommendation. >> everything was straight on the up and up. she just so good, she's just so qualified. she just shines above everybody. >> so did he do anything wrong? when he recommended his girlfriend did he say this is my
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girlfriend or a friend of mine? >> nope. and according to law he didn't do anything wrong, but common sense, you have to ask, what was he thinking? he recommended her as three nominees he's suggesting for his job. he had his fellow u.s. senator sit with him as he interviewed this woman for the job. and he had a private independent vetter interview for that job without telling any of those parties this was his girlfriend. it miegts not be illegal, but that's just not how things are done, at least in the private work place. >> it's also not a private position she's going for. it would be one thing if he's recommending his girlfriend to some friend of his who has a law firm. this is a public position. >> it is a public position. it's ultimately the president's decision, not the senator's. and his defense is that she was imminently well qualified for the job. he says and he is not embarrassed about it. he's not apologizing, he says by
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withholding the fact that she was his girlfriend, he was preventing other people from being bias in favor of her. if they knew shefs with the senator, they would have chosen her .ultimately, she withdrew from consideration so it's not going to go anywhere an issue, but it's amazing he didn't see anything was wrong here. >> are there any other senators saying this is inappropriate? >> the bottom line is that -- >> it's powerful. >> there's so much nepotism in congress they're not shocked by it. the way they're depending this is look, it happens all the time. if it's not your girlfriend it's a senior staffer that served for you for many, many years. and baucus himself is saying basically that he's really happy with his life right now, he says my life with melodee is wonderful. we're in a romantic relationship we're very close. he says it's very, very happy in my life right now. this story comes down to tmi,
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too much information. >> good for him that he's happy and stuff. but the point is -- he's not recommending somebody who worked for him whose work -- you know, it's somebody -- you know, it's somebody he's having a relationship with. >> right. >> appreciate it. thanks. coming up next tonight, sarah palin's popularity, a shift in opinion and a divide among men and women. and a commuter nightmare. watch what happens when a woman's purse got stuck in a train door. but it is impossible to build a wall that separates a man from his freedom. because freedom always finds a path... to build peace. this film is dedicated to aung san suu kyi, still prisoner in burma. tell us about the goal-line stand. well, i owe my great hair to head & shoulders.
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erica hill has the "360 bulletin." >> a major winter storm has dumped snow as far south as arizona, trirging blizzard warnings. a new cnn opinion research poll finds 46% of americans have a favorable opinion of sarah palin and 46% do not. it's even. her popularity dropped to 38% after she resigned. she's most popular among republicans and men.
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a terrifying moment at a boston subway station. the woman's purse got caught in the train door. she was trying to free it but the train attendant gave the all career. she gets slammed into a wall. she suffered a bloody nose and bruises. the employ eee who gave the all clear has been fired. the train operator has been suspended. crazy. >> everybody's nightmare on a subway. we showed you tom foreman's work in a batting cage. he talked about what happened to him when he -- oh, i'm sorry, you talked about what happened to him -- >> yeah, when he tried to leap on to it. standing on two feet, he tried to dump up on a desk. he was going for a quarter we could do it. we tried to find the picture friday night, but there's good news tonight. we managed to dig that photo up.
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in honor of tom foreman's birthday. >> so this is tom foreman attempting to jump on a desk. >> keep in mind, he's 29. the war wound that existed, there he is, having it checked out. can you see the large gash in his leg? there's an assortment of medical supplies checking him out. >> i believe so. that's mona's dad. >> looks like he has a lot of drugs on the table there. >> i don't think so, no. those would just be band aages r him. but we put together a triage kit for him next time he's in town. happy birthday. >> it's his birthday? >> today. >> you missed the cake? there's still some left on the snack table. >> amanda knox's murder conviction and the transatlantic fight to free her.
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the people amanda knox's parents are talking to to try to free their taughter from a legal system they believe is stacked against her. tonight we'll ask her senator senator maria cantwell of washington what she's doing, what she wants hillary clinton do. and italians ask americans, what gives you the right to complain about our courts? also the issue of abortion threatens to derail health care reform. we'll going to visit a clinic. what do american women go through to get an abortion? how do they pay for it?
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we'll look at all of that on the frontlines. and later, a leading democratic senator separated from his life nominates his girlfriend for a top government job, never mentioning they have a relationship. does that sount ethical to you? you might be surprised by the reaction of his fellow senators. the raw politics on that tonight. first up, though, amanda knox, serving a 26-year sentence, appealing the verdict as her parents launch a full-court press in italy and here at home to free her. secretary of state clinton was asked about the case over the weekend. listen. >> i honestly haven't had time to even examine that. i've been immersed in what we're doing in afghanistan. of course, i'll meet with senator cantwell or anyone who has a concern, but i can't offer any opinion about that. >> so you have not expressed any concerns to the italian government? >> i have not, no. >> she says she hasn't expressed any concerns to the italian government.
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sound like a bland statement, right? well, not to the italians. once again, we have rule number one for an american accused of a crime abroad. doesn't matter if they're innocent or not, all that counts is their passport. it goes on to say the administration can't find time to close guantanamo, but it can find time attack the sentence in perugia. amanda's parents are asking their senator, maria cantwell to help. i spoke with the senator earlier to might. have you had a chance to express your concerns directly to the secretary of state? >> i have not. we have put in a call. we hope to meet with her and hope that she will advocate for what we believe is the need for a fair trial by an impartial tribunal. that's a standard we think usual be for, whether there's a trial in the united states or a trial in italy. >> so you don't think that amanda knox got a fair trial? >> i don't.
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i think the issue is that i think there was so much information, false information that was, that was unsubstantiated, a system where the jury was not sequestered, and it had so much media attention, i advocated early on that i didn't think she could even get a fair trial in perugia, given the enormous amount of media attention about her in the media. >> that seems to contradict what the state department said. the state department spokesman said he didn't have any indication amanda knox had been treated unfairly. >> well, i'm not sure as he's familiar as the state department spokesperson as the details with this case. we plan to make sure the state department and the secretary of state understand that it's important to make sure when in's a u.s. citizen abroad and they're in legal trouble that we advocate for a fair trial by an impartial tribunal. i would hope that the italian government would advocate for the same things if one of their residents was here in the united states.
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>> a lot of legal experts friday night said, you know, they thought she was innocent, but said she was convicted on evidence which frankly many people in the united states would have been convicted on as well. do you buy that? >> i did not hear that from the friday night experts. i heard a lot of friday night experts questioning the process, and you know, the united states and the european union do want to have a rule of law, an that rule of law should be for a fair trial. and that fair trial needs to have an impartial jury. we know in the amanda knox case, the jurors weren't sequestered. we know that the process is different in italy. but the amount of information of tainted evidence, the fact that there was mission information about amanda knox that was leaked to the press and out there in a very pervasive way, makes it very hard for a jury to
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have that kind of impartiality in this case. so we suggested a long time ago they move to a different venue, that the jury be sequestered, that information that was false information not be allowed into the court testimony. and we're going to continue to advocate for that. >> do you believe amanda knox is innocent? >> i think the issue is that americans traveling abroad if gotten into legal problems should have access to a fair trial and an impartial tribunal and that's what needs to happen in this case. >> so you're not taking a stand one way or another on her actual guilt or innocence? >> i'm making a point on the process. >> what's the next step for you? >> we are sending letters to the european union about this, and we are hoping to meet with
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secretary clinton. >> senator maria cantwell, appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you. >> more now about what happened in court, what happens during the appeals process which could take as long as two years with amanda behind bars the entire time and what happens on the diplomatic front between now and then. former assistant secretary of state jamie ruben. a senator can write letters but essentially there's not much the american government can do, is there? >> intervening in a fellow democracy's legal system is pretty tough. italy is an unusual legal system. they have some pretty wild cases there. the cia was just tried in absent yeah far case involving extraordinary rendition. the president is under investigation every week in the italian justice system. but if there is good news is it's in the european system, there are very many appeals processes. and i think if the united states follows this as low asly, there are opportunities to -- i don't think intervene is the right word, but certainly provide the
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support necessary to make sure every legal means are pursued. >> lisa, how do you think all the attention and the outrage is because she's an innocent looking pretty 22-year-old girl. i mean, there are -- as you said on friday night, there are other people in the united states who might be convicted on the same kind of evidence here. >> that's right, i was one of those friday night experts. it's amazing to me, anderson, how many of the harsh criticisms of the italian system in the amanda knox case apply equally well in the united states. prosecutors, for example, do not have to prove motive in the united states. prosecutors use animations as defense attorneys do in closing arguments in the united states. the jury was not sequestered in this case. jurors are rarely sequestered in the united states.
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so here, of course, many people are convicted on the same type of scant evidence that was present in the amanda knox case. namely inconsistent statements to the police and questionable dna evidence. i would hope the same outrage applies to them as well. >> we'll have more from jamie and lisa and we'll talk to barbie in italy about the apeelts process in particular. the live chat is also up. log on, let us know what you think. i'll log on in a moment myself. as we said, we're digging deeper into the case next, hearing from amanda's parents as well. and later, we'll take a look at some of these e-mails and ask if they are a smoking gun proof scientists are cooking the books on global warming? or is the research sound no matter what a few scientists are saying to each other in e-mails? maybe this is one of the most important. new centrum ultra women's. a complete multivitamin for women. it has vitamin d which emerging science suggests... supports breast health... and more calcium for bone health. new centrum ultra women's.
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and other information to read and consider carefully before investing. t. rowe price. invest with confidence. god, i'm lost. which way is me? i guess i have to do everything. [ gasps ] [ angelic voices vocalizing ] on sale at bookstores everywhere. amanda knox, now appealing her guilty verdict in the murder of meredith kercher. a verdict built on her inconsistent statements to police, erratic behavior and dna evidence. despite that, amanda's parents say the system was stacked against them. tonight on "larry king live" her parents explained what happened between amanda, her boyfriend and another man convicted
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earlier for the crime. >> amanda and raffaele were seen at raffaele's house. it shows computer activity at his house. they were there, they cooked dinner, they watched a movie, they hung out. all of that is proven through computer records. all the way up until at least, i think, 9:15. now, they believe that meredith was killed about 9:30. and somehow the prosecution claims amanda and raffaele got totally wasted, ran off, found a guy they didn't know, committed this murder in about 15 minutes. it's ludicrous. >> her parents tonight on "larry king." back with our panel. barbie, in terms of the appeals process, how different is it from the process we saw on the first time around. sit more amenable to political pressure? what do we know about it? >> well, i think one of the things that's important to
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understand in this case, you know, is the fact that the american embassy has monitored this case all the way through. they've had monitors in the courtroom. i feel like i need to say that. because, you know, this -- the case -- she got a fair trial, i think. whether she's guilty or innocent, i think we need to understand that there was an italian also convicted of murder. and the italians are not new arms as the americans are right now on the conviction of raffaele. i just think that needs to be said first up. but in terms of the appeals process, it's automatic here. they have 90 days for the judge to give his reasoning and 45 days after that, reasoning is given, the defense has to file
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their official appeal and then it has to be heard within a year. so it could be within a year and a half that amanda knox will get her appeal. and then there's another step of the appeal, there will be a third step. if she doesn't get this conviction overturned in that first appeals process, she'll probably get a few years knocked off. then it's likely she would be able to get -- to do, you know, get more of her sentences and have it appealed on the third level. >> it's not as if -- if you listen to marie cantwell, it sound as if the u.s. has been ignoring this trial. they met with amanda knox in prison and have been monitoring the trial very closely. what's the toughest thing the u.s. could do? >> u.s. diplomats are doing their consular duties and the onsular office and diplomats have been there. through all of these appeals, there was no justice in the perception of lawyers who really took a good hard look at it. if it was determined that there was some, you know, real miscarriage of justice, i don't think the u.s. could really intervene. probably they could declare this
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part of italy as a dangerous place for people to go and live and travel there and put it in some sort of travel warning, something like that. but it would be very difficult to intervene in any successful way. >> a paper reported today amanda knox won a prison essay contest about a woman being injured during a sex-fuelled sex party. whether or not that's true, how much are any revelations like this going to affect her chances of getting off during her appellate process? i find it hard to believe that story and knowing the press in particular, it's hard to believe it. but all these stories, all these -- you know, the stories we read about her in italy, how much more difficult is this on the appeals process? >> that's a very difficult question, anderson. those of us who feel this is an unjust verdict, and i'm one of those people, you look for excuses and you look for reasons for the jurors to have reefed this decision, and you wonder if the judges at the appellate
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level are going to be tainted as well. i don't necessarily believe the lower case jurors were tainted by the media. jurors, and i've interviewed hundreds of them after trials, they always say they decide the case based on the evidence. there was a lot of evidence here. appellate judges, of course, are used to cases where there's a lot of media attention. they know the tabloid reports aren't necessarily true. i'm not as concerned about the media as some other people are. i think this jury decided this case, however wrongly, based on the evidence they have in front of them. most juries convict in italy and in the united states. when a prosecutor gives them the case, 95% of them are going to come back with a conviction. i think that's what happened here. based on the jurors wrong-headed view of the ed, and i think the appellate courts are going to take a closer look at it. >> barbie, do you feel like you know what happened the night of the murder? do you feel you have a clear knowledge of what happened, more than you did before the trial began? >> no. absolutely not.
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i don't think following this feels they understand completely what happened to meredith kercher and how she really died. but a lot of people following is this case are less convinced of their innocence than they are of their guilt. if that makes sense. there is the false confession. there's a murder weapon which amanda knox' dna was on the handle of the knife and what the prosecution said and presented to the jury was the victim's dna on the blade. that's very powerful. we hear a lot of things there's absolutely no evidence. the family says not a shred of evidence. well, there's a knife. there's mixed blood. there's a false confession. there is a lack of alibi. no one was ever able to put amanda knox and her boyfriend raffaele at her boyfriend's house. no one ever testified in court. and i didn't miss a hearing, that they were there. you know? there is sort of a -- a lot of the story is lost in the translation in the united states. unless you really sat the
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courtroom and listened to the trial all the way through. the defense didn't do a great job of knocking down the prosecution's weak case. that's the bottom line of the story. >> we'll watch what happens in the days ahead. lis da bloom, appreciate it. just ahead tonight, abortion takes center stage in the health care debate, we take you inside a clinic toe look at how the battle over abortion and insurance may impact the procedure. a stack of e-mails has critics suggesting global warming was cooked up by climate researchers. we'll bring you the computer messa messages, the controversy and facts so you can decide for yourself what's going on. natural gas is a cleaner burning fuel,
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tonight, senate democrats say they may be nearing an agreement on the sweeping health care bill, but for much of today, the fight for abortion was back in the middle of the health care battle. today, democratic senator ben nelson who opposes abortion introduced an amendment that would bar any private insurance company that receives taxpayer money from covering abortion. opponents say the amendment is too tough and would restrict women's ability to get abortion. we're going to talk to david gergen about the politics. but we wanted to take a look at basic facts about abortion, how
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much it costs, how much insurance is actually used by women seeking abortions. we want to try to get past all the politics. it's not our intention to talk about whether abortion is right or wrong. that's up to you to decide. but we wanted to see what was on the frontlines of this issue. we want to a planned parenthood convention in new york city. take a look. there's three health centers they operate in the city of new york, all of which provide abortion services. we're here to talk to leslie, the director. security here is tight. just to go in, there's a guard. you have to pass through a metal detector before you can get through the clinic and then there's a pass code you need as well. this is the waiting room, someone comes in here, then what? >> they would have called us on the phone and we would have gone over with them whether they have health insurance, whether that covers the procedure or not, whether they were planning to pay for it out of pocket. we offer them to see an
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entitlement counselor when they come in to review with them what programs they may be covered for and to get the coverage they may need for all services. >> what's the next step? >> we don't want people to have too many barriers to care. then they can have whatever services it is that they wanted to come in for, and they can have those services within the same day. >> so everything can be done the same day? >> yes, but that's different nationally depending on what state you're in. >> in terms of counseling, what kind of counseling does a woman have? >> a lot of information, this is what's happening today. are you sure of your decision? how can we help you think about all of your options. >> so this is where somebody has an abortion? >> yes, this is a procedure room where an abortion would take place. >> how much does it cost? >> it ranges, in planned parenthood of new york city, it's $450 to $1,200, but it's very variable across the country? >> different states cost -- >> it would cost more if you were flying in a doctor from out
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of state and you need armed guards at your clinic. the price may be higher for a procedure, depending on what you have available to you. >> what percentage of people use insnurns. >> a third of the patients we see at planned parenthood of new york city use insurance. >> and if more people had insurance, i mean, if health reform passes and 30 million people are added to the roles, what impact would you see here? >> i don't think it's going to change the number of people we see having abortion. it hay or may not change how people are paying, whether or not they choose to pay out of pocket. i don't think it's going to change the number of patients we see. >> if a woman is going to have it, whether or not she has insurance for an abortion, why have insurance for an abortion? >> i think it's going to significantly change when a woman has an abortion if she doesn't have health care
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coverage for it. i think she will delay care and could end up having a much later term abortion, struggling to put the money together. and that certainly is a change in health care. >> and you've seen that? you've seen women delaying the process in other places because they couldn't pay? >> absolutely, yes. >> what it's liked in planned parenthood in new york city. let's talk to david gergen now. i know you're doubtful the abortion amendment is going to pass. if it does fail that's a big obstacle when it comes time to put the house and senate bills together. >> that's right. and it's important substantively for an awful lot of women. if they do -- if we do have health insurance reform, will they be able to have abortion insurance very easily. and the bill that's being introduced by senator nelson in the eyes of senator nelson and his supporters will prevent federal money from being used for that abortion but would
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still allow insurance. the other side believes just the opposite. that it would put higher barriers in the way of poor women in particular getting abortion. but as you point out, anderson, there are also enormous political implications coming from this amendment by senator nelson. essentially insiders are telling me today, anderson, that the white house and senator reid's office, they need 60 votes to get health care through the senate. they think -- they're reasonably confident about 58. they need two more. there are three senators who are now in play to get -- they need two of those three senators to get to 60. one of them is senator nelson. now, if he doesn't get his amendment passed in the next couple of day, he may turn against it, so they would then need the other two, senator joe lieberman and olympia snowe. they need some combination of two out of those three. whether they get nelson or not
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is very, very important. if they don't get nelson they have to get the other two. and that's where this other question you introduced tonight becomes important. there's a second negotiation going on right now in the senate about whether to have -- how to formulate the public option. and that is, there is a -- there's a view growing that there ought to be something less than a public option, that both lieberman and snowe might agree. if they could get that, they would then vote. the senate may have a clear passage way to passing this in the next couple of weeks or so. so big, big politics are under way. we are in the home stretch of health care reform in the senate. and too two major issues -- abortion and public options are right on the top of the burner. >> amazing it boils down to those three senators convincing enough of them. senate majority leader harry reid said today, the republicans are going to be on the wrong side of history when it comes to health care reform. he made a comparison that's angered a lot of republicans. let's listen. >> you think you've heard these same excuses before, you're
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right. when this country belatedly recognized the wrongs of slavery, there were those who dug in their heels and said slow down, it's too early. wait. things aren't bad enough. when women spoke up for the right to speak up, they wanted to vote. they were told simply slow down. there will be a better day to do that. today isn't quite right. republican national committee chairman michael steele said reid was way out of line. it was disgraceful. he actually questioned harry reid's state of mind saying he's lost the ability to reason. do you think reid has gone too far? >> i do. but i think it's important to understand it in context. and senator reid's people told me tonight he's extremely frustrated by the blocking action. the efforts that he sees by republicans over a long period of time to tear down president obama and make sure he has an unsuccessful presidency. the republicans, on the other hand, feel like this is a bad bill. and they're dragging their heels. and what i do think, anderson,
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is that he spoke out of frustration, but it was also intemperate. i have a lot of respect for senator reid, but i do think in going over the line, here's the danger. it goes back to what we were talking about. the danger is -- the political danger is that it may so alienate the republican caucus that it makes it hard to get senator olympia snowe to vote for the final bill. this kind of thing could antagonize her and make it much more difficult to do. so you can see, it's both substance and politics that are not intertwined in this health care fight. >> snowe, lieberman, nelson, all boils down to them right now. >> seems to. >> appreciate it. thank you. still ahead tonight, hacked e-mails climate change skeptics say prove scientists have distorted the facts on global warming. we'll show you some of the e-mails and show you both sides of the debate. you make up your mind. plus a powerful senator no, nominates his girlfri top job in the justice
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zhu zhu pets do not violate safety standards. a consumer group raised questions over a potentially harmful metal found in one of the toy hampster models. the u.s. consumer product safety commissions reviewed the toys and determined the little guys are safe. and billionaire entrepreneur richard branson showing his rocket that will take tourists into space. 300 people have already paid $20,000 deposits towards the 2 1/2 hour ride. the first flight is set to launch in 2011. are you on the list? >> i've been mocked because i reveal i've been watching "battlestar galactica" lately. >> he's addicted to "battlestar galactica" people which is fine. >> a senator nominated his
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one scientist uses the word trick and trying to hide data that doesn't jibe with his position. so the e-mails were stolen from a british university. john roberts is in the uk tonight taking a close look at the e-mails. john, you know, you read these e-mails and there's a lot of them. but many of them, they don't look good. >> yeah, and even the man who wrote them admitted it doesn't look good at first reading, for example, take this e-mail from 16 november, 1999. phil jones writes, i've just completed mike's nature trick of adding in the real temperatures to each series for the last 20 years to hide the decline. now, if you're a skeptic of global warming you take that e-mail and say wapt, thit a min y they're trying to manipulate the data, they're trying to hide things and use a trick to do it. he said no, no, no what indeed phil jones was trying to do, he had two different data streams
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and one ended at a certain point and the other one began and he was trying to put the two of them together. if you're a scientist you say oh, that's a clever method for being able to do this. but perhaps the most problematic is the series of e-mails trying to resist the freedom of information act requests. he actively says if somebody tries to get their hands on this data and gets it through the freedom of information act, he will delete the file before he releases it to them. i put that question about the e-mails to the acting director of the climatic research unit. here's what he said. what's your understanding? >> well, i think the university is trying as fast as possible to deal with freedom of information requests. we've had a huge number, i've got to say. and it takes a lot of time to deal with them. >> he was doing more than just trying to comply with them. he was trying to resist them. >> i can't comment on that. because that's a subject for the review. you've got to look at it in the broader context as well. individual scientists have views
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on a particular work that someone else has done for instance, they may well express that in certain terms and they may be quite negative about it. that doesn't mean that work is hidden. >> but for a lot of people, this raises a lot of concerns about climate research in general, and the e-mail's impact, not just the research from this university but all climate research going on. >> well, it at least affects this university, penn state, which is where michael mann a lot of these e-mails were addressed to, works. and as well boulder, colorado, where another fellow who was in this e-mail chain works. at least three institutions. their work now is somewhat under the microscope of skepticism. but every researcher i talk to -- now, these are all people who do support the concept of global warming, i should point out, anderson, they all believe even if you took the work that these scientists are doing and set it aside, there's a preponderance of evidence that suggest the earth is warming and manmade causes are to blame. so they really do have faith in the science.
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as far as professor jones goes, they also believe he's going to be exonerated when this review is all said and done. but again, that won't be until the springtime, and meantime, that coalen haguen clpenhagen c conference will long be history by then. >> so was the professor's use of the word trick leading to deception? do the leaked messages make it tougher to convince people? patrick, let me start with you, you do believe that climate change is real and man contributes to it but not as catastrophic as we fear and not really something man can reverse. if that's correct, what about these e-mails trouble you? >> a lot that troubled me were the attempts to hide things from
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freedom of information acts. you've got to wonder what's being hidden. listen to this one. can you delete any e-mails regarding the u.n. report. we will get casper to do likewise. and the suggest subject line for that e-mail is foi -- freedom of information. what in the world? >> you were mentioned in some of the e-mails. what did they say you? >> well, they did not like the fact that i had a bunch of articles published in the literature, so they decided they would see who the editors were for those journals and influence their editorial decisions in the future. one famous one says we may have lost control over climate research. we don't want to lose, i think it's geophysical research letters. lose control. these guys are saying they have control over what goes into the scientific literature and
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they're going to edit papers. that's really dangerous. it biases the referee literature and that's the cannon of science we all rely upon to make our consensual decisions. >> bill nye, what do you think about that? patrick seems to have a point. trying to manipulate peer review journals doesn't seem like a particularly ethical thing to do. >> having read the e-mails to the best of my ability, with the regard to the expression climate research, that refers to a specific journal that a specific scientist doesn't especially care for. so there you go. the world is still getting warmer, humans are still to blame. the e-mails when you get to them carefully, the e-mails are guys who are generally very, very concerned about the efficacy, about the quality of their research. and their concern is that people like dr. michaels are going to scrutinize it so carefully that they will be able to discredit it without really embracing the overall message. so it's a concern. these e-mails were hacked.
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people referred to other people as idiots. i'm very confident that each of the three of us has been called an idiot from time to time. but the details in the e-mails are extraordinary. the work they're trying to do, trying to cover so many details, so many millions of data analyzed over centuries is difficult business. and sure enough, if you go through them carefully enough you find phrases that are out of context. >> in your mind, do you have any questions there was a deliberate attempt to manipulate and skew the data? >> absolutely. they said they wanted to boycott certain journals if they publish certain articles. that means that the editors will all of a sudden certainly view things that might get them a boycott with a little bit of trepidation and, in fact, there were resignations from these journals. another one -- >> isn't a boycott good for you,
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though? >> not at all. these guys are major contributors to journals. anyway, and geophysical research editor, they had a problem with an editor because he was at university of virginia. just because i was there doesn't mean the editor was biased. then they said the league was plugged there. come on, bill. >> does this raise concerns for you, bill, about the vast research on climate change that's been produced over the last few years? not just from this university but in general? >> when you refer to that university, by the way, that's where those data are stored. they have that responsibility. so no, it doesn't. i think just as the gentleman
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>> did he do anything wrong? when he recommended his girlfriend, did he say this is my girlfriend or a friend of mine? >> no, he didn't anderson. according to common sense, you have to ask what was he thinking? he recommended her to the president on a short list of three nominees he suggested for his job. he had his fellow u.s. senators sit with him as he interviewed this woman for a job and he had a private independent vetter interview her for that job. it might not be illegal, but it's not how things are done in the private workplace. >> it's also not a private position that she is going for. it would be one thing if he's recommending his girlfriend to a friend of his who has a law firm. this is a public position. >> it's a public position.
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it's ultimately the president's position and not the senator's. his defense is that she was eminently well qualified for the job and he says and he's not embarrassed about it or apologizing. he said by withholding the fact she was his he girlfriend he was preventing other people from being biassed in favor of her because maybe if they knew she was with the senator, they would is chosen here. that's his defense. ultimately, she withdrew from consideration, so it's not going anywhere as an issue. it's amazing he doesn't think there was anything wrong here. >> is there any other outage or any other senators saying it's inappropriate or michael steele out there right now? >> you'd think there would be. there's so much nepotism in congress, they're not shocked by it. other members of the senate the way they defend this is look, this happens all the time. if it's not your girlfriend a senior staffers who served with you for many, many years that get recommended to posts.
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bauk coupcus says he's happy wi life right now. we're in a romantic relationship and very close. he says it's very, very happy in my life right now. bottom this story is tmi, too much information. >> good for him that he's happy and stuff. it's not recommending somebody who worked for him. it's somebody he's having a relationship with. >> right. >> appreciate it. jessica, thanks. next tonight, sarah palin's popularity. new poll numbers show a shift in division and a divide among men and women. details ahead. a commuter nightmare. watch what happened when a woman's purse got stuck in a subway door. we'll tell you what happened ahead.
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let's get the latest on other important stories we're following. erica hill has the 360 bulletin. >> a major winter storm has dumped snow as far south as arizona triggering blizzard warnings. it will hit the plains and upper midwest tomorrow and wednesday. a new cnn research poll finds 46% of americans have a favorable opinion of sarah
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palin, and 46% do not. it's even. palin's popularity dropped to 39% after she resigned as governor of alaska. the current polling finds she's most popular among republicans and men. what a terrifying moment at a boston subway station. look at that. so the woman's purse got caught in the train door. she was trying to free it, but the train attendant gave the all clear. you can see the train is moving, and she's dragged trying to hold onto her bag. she gets slammed into a wall. she suffered a bloody nose and bruising. the employee that gave all the all clear is fired and the train operator has been suspended. crazy. >> it's like everybody's nightmare on a subway. on friday night we showed you tom forman's impressive work in the batting cage in washington. he talked about what happened to him when he left -- i'm sorry. you talked about what happened when he -- >> when he tried to leap onto
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it. standing on two feet he tried to jump up on a desk, he was going for a quarter that he could do it. we tried to find the picture friday night and didn't get it to you. there's good news tonight. we managed to dig that photo up. in honor of tom forman's birthday, this is today. >> this is him attempting to jump onto a deck. >> yeah. keep in mind he's next year when he's 30 he'll have better look. take a look at the aftermath here. the war wound that exists. there he is having it checked out. can you see the large gash in his leg propped up on two cares. >> is that a doctor checking him out? >> i believe so. >> that's mona's dad that used to work on our show. >> it looks like he has a lot of drugs on the table there. >> no. those are bandages for him. we put together a triage kit for the next time he was in town in case he needed it. happy birthday, tom. >> it's his birthday? >> to

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