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gaining more intelligence about al qaeda. here's a look inside that compound in abbottabad, pakistan. also inside the mansion was a cash of computers. more than 100 storage devices filled with dvds, disks and thumb drives. now, it's up to the intelligence community to sort it all out to see exactly what is there. to see if they now have critical operational secrets on al qaeda. we are also learning more about the operation itself. check out this animation. you see the two helicopters coming in? is one crashed, and was scuttled by the s.e.a.l. team. the navy s.e.a.l.s then headed up to the third floor, under heavy fire, where they shot osama bin laden, once in the head, once in the chest. there apparently are pictures of this whole thing. cnn has learned that photos were taken of the operation, showing all of those killed inside. there are pictures of bin laden's body after it was taken to afghanistan. and photos of the burial at sea.
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right now, the white house isn't saying if they plan to release any of those pictures. the u.s. says pakistan had no role in the actual operation, but the pakistani foreign ministry says their information helped the u.s. find bin laden. they're also expressing concerns over the fact that the u.s. did not tell pakistan they were coming. in an interview with "time" magazine leon panetta says there was concern pakistan might warn the targets. international correspondent nick robertson is live in abbottabad, pakistan. what do you make of the pakistani comments? >> reporter: they have to deny everything. i mean, they have to deny they didn't know where he was. they have to deny they weren't involved. why do they have to deny they knew where he was? because obviously, they should have arrested him. they should have brought him to justice if they knew where he was. why do they have to deny they were involved? because if they said that they
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were heavily involved in the actual boots on the ground operation here, they would very likely be a backlash against the pakistani military and security forces. there may still yet be that backlash by taliban and by al qaeda elements in the country. and the government is very worried about that sort of backlash. which is why they're sort of playing it down. and an op-ed in the "washington post", one of the things he said clearly at the top is, well, he's dead now, meaning bin laden. and later on in the article, it's time to move on. the government here really is trying to put this behind them, and make the best of it, and hope they don't draw too much attention for whatever involvement and knowledge they had, randi. >> and nick, what have you been able to see of this compound in question? is there a lot of security around it now? are neighbors milling about? can you set the scene there? >> reporter: it's really interesting. you walk across the fields as we did this afternoon, and it's perhaps 50 yards away from the
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nearest house, a couple of hundred yards away from a whole row of houses. and it's fampl farmers' fields, cabbages, heavy concrete wall. when i reach my hand up the side of it, it barely goes not even halfway up the side of the wall. what was interesting as well, peeping and looking through a tiny gap in one of the gates that was sealed and secured by police officers there, perhaps a couple dozen of them around the whole compound, there didn't appear to be a huge amount of damage. i was expecting to see bullet pock marks on the walls, signs of explosion in the building. the main building itself looked relatively undamaged. even when we viewed over from neighboring houses. so clearly, the firefight and the intensity of the fight that took place there must have taken place inside the building. at least that's what we can see from looking -- looking in from the outside at the moment, randi. >> which really plays into i
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guess the decision of whether or not to bomb it or whether or not to go inside. and they certainly chose to go inside. all right, nick, thank you. good to talk with you. president obama will travel to ground zero thursday to meet with families of 9/11 victims. we have seen celebrations and solemn reflection at the site since bin laden's death was announced. but it's possible no one summed up the feelings better than "daily show" host jon stewart. it is today's "sound effect." >> last night was a good night for me, and not just for new york or d.c. or america, but for human people. the face -- the face of the arab world in america's eyes for too long has been bin laden. and now it is not. now the face is only the young people in egypt and tunisia and all of the middle eastern countries around the world. freedom rises up. al qaeda's opportunity is gone. >> more developments related to the death of osama bin laden on the way. but there is some other news to tell you about, as well right
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now. british police say they arrested five terror suspects near a nuclear plant in northeastern england. all five men are from london and are in their 20s. no charges have been filed yet, and police are not saying exactly why they were arrested. even though the arrest took place one day after the death of osama bin laden, police say there's no evidence of any connection. [ explosions ] >> that's when it looked and sounded like as the army corps of engineers blew up a levee on the mississippi river in southeast missouri. they were trying to save the nearby city of cairo, illinois. farmers had opposed breaching the levee, arguing that silt from the river would cause long-lasting damage to their land. missouri asked the supreme court to block the move, but the court refused to intervene. after a worried search in an arkansas national forest, six missing boy scouts and their two leaders have been found safe and in good condition. the scouts from laughette, louisiana failed to return from a weekend camping trip.
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they were spotted today by a national guard helicopter and air-lifted to safety. the security breach at sony was worse than originally thought, it turns out. just last week, sony confirmed that hackers had gained access to personal information from as many as 77 million playstation and curiosity media streaming accounts. now it's disclosed that the breach also affected nearly 25 million sony online entertainment accounts, which makes everquest, and it went offline yesterday. no word on when service will resume. a burning question at the white house and on capitol hill in the aftermath of the killing of bin laden. can pakistan be trusted? an in-depth look at a fragile alliance, right after this. her morning begins with artitis pain.
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laden was hiding out there. for many, this raises the question, can the u.s. now trust pakistan? the trust question goes both ways, and explains why the relationship has been fragile at best. here's why. pakistan believes the u.s. tilted toward india during their 1971 war. in the late '70s, president carter cracked down on islamabad because of alleged human rights abuses and nuclear proliferation. and in the '90s, the u.s.-imposed sanctions again due to pakistan's nuclear program. another sore point. take a look at this map. it shows the border between afghanistan and pakistan. the northwestern area on the pakistan side is a vast prescribal region that serves as a safe haven for the taliban. another sore point, pakistan's intelligence, otherwise known as isi. during the soviet war, it if you believed most of the money and weapons to the most fundamentalist groups. it's also accused of aiding terror attacks in india. it also supported the rise of the taliban after the soviet
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defeat back in 1989. and washington says it continues to support the taliban today. joining us now is former u.s. ambassador to pakistan, wendy chamberlain. ambassador, thanks for taking the time to talk with us today. do you think pakistan was protecting bin laden and taking billions of dollars from the u.s. at the very same time? >> well, look, i think you framed pakistan -- the reasons for the distrust between our two nations very well there. but it's a very complex relationship. and there is, a on the other hand aspect of the relationship, or we wouldn't be such close allies with pakistan. on the other hand, we need pakistan's support, as we transport most of the supplies for our efforts in afghanistan from karachi across pakistan. on the other, pakistan military services have lost thousands of troops along the border, helping us with our counterterrorism efforts. and pakistan is an extremely
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important country. it's the second largest muslim country in the world, soon will be the first. there are many reasons why this relationship is important to us. >> but do you think it's possible -- do you think it's possible that pakistan was complicit here, and possibly hiding bin laden? >> i think there's certainly ample reasons for suspicion. and i think that president obama made a very courageous decision in not advising pakistan in advance, before this raid. this raid could have gone wrong in a thousand different ways, which would have tanked his political career and legacy and history. but he made that decision to go without telling pakistan. and that took some real courage. as much courage as our navy s.e.a.l.s did in pulling off a near flawless operation. >> and do you think that now can washington trust pakistan in the aftermath of bin laden's death? or perhaps the question is, can the u.s. trust the isi? >> i don't think we've ever had
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full trust. our relationship has been one where we reach points of mounting distrust, and then we reach a point where we have to renegotiate that relationship. for example, one such point was when i first arrived as ambassador to pakistan in august of 2001. by september of 2001, i was under instruction to go and talk to president musharraf and say, look, are you with us or against us? the trust had gotten so great. and then, as a part of that renegotiation, yes, they were with us and going after al qaeda. and yes, going after those that support al qaeda. in return, we agreed to provide assistance, diplomatic support, and we agreed not to place combat troops on pakistan's soil. well, of course, over the years, this trust has built up again. and you saw what happened on sunday. >> right. so how much does the u.s. need pakistan in the war with afghanistan and the fight against terror, would you say?
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>> afghanistan is a landlocked country. it's bordered on one side by iran. we certainly can't get our logistical supplies through iran. we are getting about 20% of our supplies into afghanistan from the north, but that's extremely costly. we need pakistan. and any military person will tell you that you will not be successful in staunching the taliban as they cross over from pakistan into afghanistan without the support of the pakistani army. we need them. do we trust them? not fully. but we're at a point now, and this is good leverage, for renegotiating that relationship. and i would certainly hope and think we're doing that. ambassador mark grossman is in islamabad now. he replaced richard holbrooke. i would imagine there is some renegotiation going on right now. >> all right, ambassador, we really appreciate your insight, and this is certainly a very important topic that's not going away any time soon. thank you for your time.
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of course, we're going to keep you up to date on our top story, the death of osama bin laden. but i want to take a step aside for a few minutes, and talk about your money, and how to survive this economy, as if it
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were a zombie attack on your money. cnn radio correspondent lisa de jar din has written a guide called zombie economics. there it is. she is here in studio with us today. this isn't about getting rich quick. it's about survival. >> right. this is about surviving and having a good and happy life, not worrying about your finances. i know people think, oh, zombies are all over the place. but this say serious book. we wrote it with this zombie theme, because most people who have financial problems, randi, probably wouldn't buy one of those boring, no offense, guys, financial dusty guides. this is a book meant for real people. >> so it's to help you find your financial weak spots? >> that's right. a couple weak spots i'll point out right now, we hear this a lot and we say it to ourselves, i deserve this. well, you might deserve it, but is it going to be good for you in the end? and another one, i need this. well, double-check you really do need it. not all of the time do you. and randi, your health. i know you do a lot about health
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on your show, but a lot of people don't realize what a financial weak spot it is, not just in the long term, but year to year, we're going to be spending so much more on health care. if you just even floss your teeth, you'll save hundreds of dollars. >> right. what you tell your kids you should practice yourself. what about surviving unemployment? >> right. we talk about this in the book. we talk about unemployment as sort of the graveyard in our zombie land. and here's a couple tips for folks on unemployment. you need to keep up your routines and that means keep shaving, keep showering, go for woux. easy for me to say. i have been unemployed. you can't get in the dumps. you don't want to wait to look for a job. i know that's obvious, but don't even wait a day. we have done so many stories on how long people are unemployed right now. and keep track of everything you do. every contact you make. every item you do in your job search. >> really important to be organized. >> absolutely. >> what about any advice, any survival advice for college grads? >> right. college grads. you guys -- the zombies are after you, the financial zombie
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economy wants your money. you need to keep it for yourself. i think number one, college grads need to know, debt is not your friend. yes, debt might have helped you get a college degree, and that's great. but in the book, we lay out a lot of advice about handling your debt for everyone. and one tip that we have, randi, is take your credit card and actually put it in a cup, fill it with water and go ahead and put it in the freezer. >> credit card ice cube? >> exactly. make it so it is very hard to use or at least embarrassing. >> good to know. and i must say, i love the cover. i've never seen ben franklin or abe lincoln with zombie eyes. >> and andrew jackson, the only president to have no national debt. >> that's impressive. thank you. pick up the book, there you see it. and be sure to join christine romans for "your bottom line" saturday morning 8:30 eastern and ali develop see, sundays at 3:00. updating our top stories,
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video shot today inside osama bin laden's pakistan compound. and we've learned that u.s. forces who stormed the building sunday may have grabbed valuable intel on their way out. a senior official tells cnn that computers, hard drives and dozens of krd cds, dvds were seized. officials in alabama are still taking a toll of the devastation from last week's massive outbreak of weather. 400,000 people still without power. the state's governor, robert bentley, is planning a live, statewide address tonight. since saturday, the number of counties in alabama declared disaster areas has doubled to. in california, a company is recalling grape tomatoes, because they may be contaminated with salmonellsalmonella. they were sold by six store chains in 13 western states. the salads carry expiration dates between april 27th and may
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t 9th. watching the op. the president glued to the screens as navy s.e.a.l.s hunt down bin laden and the whole operation. our ed henry takes us inside the sit room for those very tense moments. that's next. mom! mom! mom! [ male announcer ] you know mom. we know diamonds. together we'll make this mother's day one she'll never forget. that's why only zales is the diamond store.
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i love your work. you know rheumatoid arthritis means pain. but you may not know it can also mean destruction. not just of your joints, but of the things you love to do. and the longer you live with the aching, swelling, and stiffness, the closer you may be to having your favorite things... taken away from you. but you can take action today. go to for your free joint profile so you can better talk to your rheumatologist about protecting your joints. the operation to take down osama bin laden, the president had a front-row seat, half a world away. huddled with his national security team in the situation room. cnn's senior white house correspondent ed henry joins me
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at this time every day. and he's here today, as well. ed, we're seeing great pictures from inside the situation room, as this all unfolded. such drama. can you take us through the operation from the president's view? >> reporter: oh, yeah. sure. these are from pete sousa, the official white house photographer. they're essentially government photos. and we're allowed in the media, the we take our phone photos. and we actually have an independent view of the situation. but since this was such a sensitive operation, they were obviously not going to just randomly let the media into the white house situation room, very secure area. that's why we're using these photos. and they painful paint an amazing picture. let me tell you two quick anecdot anecdotes. one about the moment when osama bin laden was actually killed in pakistan. the president, his top aides, when you look at these photos, they were monitoring the situation. this operation by the navy s.e.a.l.s in real-time. it appears they had some sort of video hook-up. the white house is being careful
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not to tell us exactly how they watched it, because of the sensitive nature of the operation. but basically, the president and his top aides, what they heard when osama bin laden was shot, i'm told by a senior official was, geronimo ekia. and what that means is, engineer on mow is a code word for bin laden, trying to capture or kill him, and ekia is enemy killed in action. so that is the code the president of the united states heard when he knew they thought they had killed bin laden. second key point is that later on in the white house situation room, amidst these photos, is the president, his top aides sitting around a big conference table and sort of debating whether or not, you know, they could go public with this information. do they really know this was bin laden's body, that he had been killed? various aides were saying, look, there's facial recognition technology we believe from that it's him. we believe we have spoken to one of osama bin laden's wives. she says it was him. and they were debating it, but trying to be careful, because this is a big, big deal, obviously. and i'm told by a senior
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official, finally the president interjected and said, simply, we got him. and he made that call as commander in chief to try to cut off this debate. he knew everyone was being cautious. and he said look, this is him. >> you can see the tension on their faces as they're watching this unfold in the photos you were just showing us. speaking of photos, we know there are pictures of osama bin laden's body. we have seen fakes certainly posted on the internet. is the administration planning to release those photos? >> well, they're debating that right now behind the scenes. our colleague, john king is saying he's hearing that it could. i emphasize could be released better today, as early as later today. but that's not a settled matter yet. there's multiple photos of osama bin laden after he had been killed. the question right now, i'm told by a senior official is, the photos are quite grew some. they show osama bin laden after he was shot we know twice in the chest and in the head, as well. there's all kinds of blood, a gruesome situation. the kind of photo most american
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families probably don't want to wake up to on the front painful of their morning newspaper. and one official told me the calculation is, in part that they don't feel a lot of pressure to release it to prove it's bin laden, because nobody has credibly come forward and said bin laden is still alive somewhere. they believe most of the world realizes he is dead. they've got to weigh that, of course, against the transparency issue, the public's right to know. this is obviously a major, major development. and there are a lot of people around the world who want to know for sure, this is him. and the other part, when you were saying, look, all that tension in the situation room. to give you an idea of how some of the last 24 hours or so have been like, john brennan, the president's principal counter terror adviser said minutes in the situation room felt like days. they didn't know they were going to get bin laden and also didn't know all of the navy s.e.a.l.s were going to come out alive. thankfully, they did. >> all right, ed henry. i know you need to get inside
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because we're waiting for this white house briefing, which explains the small screen on your screen at home. that's supposed to start at 1:30, one minute from now. whether it starts on time, we'll see. but we'll bring it to you when it does start. ed henry, we'll check in with you later. a win for forces in libya, as an ally for moammar gadhafi tells him it's time to go.
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welcome back. 30 minutes past the hour. sony says the international security breach is worse than originally thought. just last week, sony confirmed that hackers had gained access to personal information from as many as 77 million playstation
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and curiosity media streaming accounts. now it's disclosed that the breach also affected nearly 25 million sony online entertainment accounts. sony online entertainment makes multiplayer games, including ever quest, dq universe online and free realms. this is the scene of the army corps of engineers blowing up a mississippi river levee overnight. the army breached the levee, flooding 200 square miles of missouri farmland and about 100 homes. controversial decision is part of an effort to bring down river levels to save the town of cairo, illinois from floodwaters. more than 400,000 people in alabama are still without power. days after tornados ripped through that state. since saturday, the number of alabama counties declared disaster areas has doubled from 17 to 36. many of the survivors are still waiting for relief supplies to reach them. the governor will deliver a live statewide address tonight to
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talk about the impact of the storm. and alabama is just one of a few states affected by extreme weather. here's a look at pictures we just received of flooding in western tennessee. look at that. officials there are urging residents to be packed, actually, and ready to go in case of further flooding. british police have arrested five men on suspicion of terrorism near a nuclear plant in northeastern england. the men were arrested monday near the nuclear facility after their vehicle was stopped by police. all five are from london and in their 20s. authorities say there is no indication the incident is tied to the killing of osama bin laden. an ally of libya is now saying gadhafi's got to go. the turkish prime minister told reporters, a new period started in the history of libya. his words come a day after turkey closed its embassy in tripoli. citing security risks. until now, turkey has kept close ties with gadhafi, even helping to negotiate the four captured
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we are hoping maybe to get some word on whether or not the white house plans to release these much-anticipated photos of osama bin laden. we will find out that and much more, i'm sure, and bring it to you as soon as it gets under way. osama bin laden was buried at sea on monday. but with a gunshot to his head, u.s. officials are debating whether to release those graphic photos of his body. on top of that, the taliban made this statement. the taliban spokesman tells cnn, they don't believe bin laden is dead, saying the president lacks strong evidence to prove his claim. so how do we really know it's really bin laden? well, u.s. officials used facial recognition software, and dna sampling to confirm that they, in fact, killed bin laden. chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta is here with us to give us more insight on this. now, among other things, you're actually a certified medical examiner. so can you explain how the government was able to get a dna match so quickly? >> when you think of dna sequencing, that's what people think of as taking a long time, being this tedious process. this is not the same thing.
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what they're talking about here is doing dna matching. so you and i, for example, randi, we share about 99.5% of our dna in common. that would take a long time to sequence. what they focus in on is what's different. so it's a very -- much smaller area of the dna they're sort of looking at, and trying to find, for example, this sample, where they think it's osama bin laden, comparing it to reference samples of known relatives, for example. and seeing if there are matches. and that matching process, that can take, you know, just a few hours. the more relatives you have to compare it to, the higher your confidence level goes up. that this is, in fact, who you think it is. >> what about these reports we mention, facial recognition software to identify the body. how does that work? >> yeah, this is really fascinating stuff and in use, by the way, in some airports, for example, already. >> it's familiar. it's becoming more common, but fascinating stuff. if you look at someone's face, there's a lot you see that you may not pay attention to, the width of someone's nose, the distance from the top of the
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eyes to the forehead, all of that sort of stuff, in aggregate, starts to develop a very unique sort of fingerprint of someone's face. and if you take a picture and compare it again to known photos, which there are plenty in this case of osama bin laden, you can get a pretty high degree of accuracy, saying this is the same person. the exact angle of the cheek bones, the height of them, all of that together is pretty convincing. >> and sister-in-lcertainly whe about the video he has released over the years and the pictures the government has of him, they probably have a wealth of photos to work with. >> absolutely. and i'll tell you, from a medical examination standpoint, the low-tech stuff is still what people focus in on. actually looking at the person, noting characteristics, in this case, height. a unique characteristics. around 6 f'7" and the facial recognition software, dna sampling. it gives you another layer of confidence it is who you think it is. but they're still going to say,
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as you said, 99.9%. >> that's why a lot of people are wondering. >> it's an imperfect science, but they say there's a 152 billion to 1 chance that it's not him. >> and also one of his wives identified him, according to the u.s. forces. >> that's one of the important ways. >> that is a big one. all right, sanjay, thank you. glad you're in studio with us. british royalty is coming to d.c. we'll tell you about it, after this. we used to bet who could get closest to the edge. took some crazy risks as a kid.
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there you have it. a live picture from the white house briefing room. we are waiting for a briefing. it was supposed to start about ten minutes ago or so. that was the latest guidance. but we will bring it to you as soon as it does start and gets under way in washington. we'll bring it to you live, right here on cnn. as we keep a close watch on developments related to the death of osama bin laden, we're also following some other news. the heir to the british throne arrives in washington today. no, we're not talking about newly wed william, but his father, prince charles. here you see charles with his wife, camilla, during his three day visit to the u.s., and he is expected to meet with president obama. other events, a visit to the supreme court, delivering the keynote address on a conference of sustainable agriculture at georgetown university, and honoring british and american soldiers.
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time right now, 41 minutes past the hour. let's update our top stories. now that osama bin laden is dead, u.s. officials hope to use material seize the at his hideout to find other al qaeda leaders. ten hard drives, five computers and 100 storage devices including disks, dvds and thumb drives have been removed for further study [ explosion ] a controversial decision to blow up the mississippi river levee appears to be working. the army corps of engineers says river levels have dropped more than a foot since the levee was breached overnight. it was designed to divert water into farm lands, sparing cairo, illinois. farmers argue it will cause long lasting damage to their land. at the white house, president obama honored the national teacher of the year, michelle sheerer, a chemistry teacher from frederick county, maryland. she was honored for her work with special needs students and
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and we want to take you live now just to check in at the white house briefing room, as we wait for this briefing to begin. we may get some new information and the latest word, certainly, on whether or not the administration plans to release these photos, possibly, of the burial of sea of osama bin laden, or possibly of him after he was killed. we also may get some new information on what they took from his compound there. we know they have some dvds and thumb drives, et cetera. so we may get some more information on that. we will certainly bring it to you as soon as we can. and as soon as we -- it gets under way. meanwhile, we're going break away just for a moment to examine something that could literally change the face of advertising. ads that look back at you. ads that analyze your face, your age, and sex to change and tailor themselves to you. joining me now, cnn staff
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reporter lori segal. lori, this is interesting stuff. tell us how this technology works. >> hey, randi. yeah, it is really interesting. it's actually being worked on by folk at immersive labs and it's digital software that will look back at you, so use facial recognition and be able to tell how would you are, and who you're with, and be able to say this person has been looking at this ad for two minutes. or it will know your attention span. so it's something that they're really working on. >> and what companies are using it? >> a bunch of different companies are trying it out right now. so -- in new york, you have sony trying it out, and if you go to jfk, hudson news is trying it out. and i spoke with the folks at immersive labs and they said over 40 companies have come to them saying this is the kind of technology we want for our ads so we can understand the people that are looking at our ads and we can actually target them and focus on who they are, and what they want to see. >> hmmm. so it's already being used then in the u.s.
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>> it's already being used. it's being used on a more trial basis, but in the next couple years, you're going to see this pop up more and more. so it's pretty interesting. >> yeah, it sure is. can they go beyond, though, you? can they go beyond you and actually tailor themselves to things like the weather or even the time of day? >> yeah. you know, the interesting thing about this technology is it goes beyond just the demographic. it analyzes if it's cold or hot souds. so let's say you're walking by a billboard on a cold day, you might see an ad for a warm cup of coffee. you know, it will kind of tailor if you're with a group of people and looking a movie billboard. you're with a date, it might show you a date movie or a group of guys, an action film. >> and what about the argument, which i'm sure i lot of people are arguing right now watching at home that these ads invade your privacy? >> yeah, you know, with this technology, there's always that creepy factor. you know, that stalk you.
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you hear that and you think, that's really creepy, i don't want it to know who i am. but, you know, spo spoke with t about this and they say it doesn't know who you are, it doesn't know you're randi or i'm laurie. it knows you're a woman and how old you are. and it will target you like that. so it's using anonymous data. so it uses only external data. so it might, you know, a lot of these companies may have the ability to use this technology. but they know that we are very, very nervous about our privacy being protected. the. >> sure. so but we did say, though, that it can actually tell who you're with. so in other words, it can't tell who you're with by name. it can tell who you're with by the characteristics of that person? just want to be clear. >> yeah, it can tell -- it can tell who you're with as in if i'm with a group of -- group of women, or i can tell that i'm with one other person and that person is probably a male. so it doesn't know -- and they can probably tell how old that male is, but it can't tell exactly -- who doesn't know who exactly you're with. >> right. and what about accuracy? say, for example, a man with
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long hair? are with. >> and what about the ak ra i is and say for example a man with long hair, would that be able to trick the ad to thinking it was a woman? >> right now they are working on the accuracy and right now they are 90%, and they are doing a good job of being accurate, but there are, you know, when i actually tried out the technology at first, it had me as a woman in the 20s and catered to that, but then all of the sudden, it switched to analyzing me as an older male and showing me car commercials and watch commercials. so it was a little bit different. so i think that is something that they are working on, but as they grow the technology and work on it, is is getting a lot smarter and hoping that in the next couple of years, it will be able to look right at you and say, you know, your age, and exactly who you are without making those mistakes. >> well, laurie, i think it is freaky, but fascinating so i'm glad we had this discussion. >> it is. i know. they want the ads to be more relevant, and that is what it is at the end of the day. >> sure.
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that is what they say. all right. laurie, thank you. >> without the creepy factor. thanks. and to read more about the very smart ads, check out our blog at, and of course, we are waiting for in white house briefing to begin. we are keeping a close eye on that podium that you see right there on the screen. and we will bring you that briefing, again, any minute as soon as it starts. meanwhile, sunday's operation in pakistan didn't just get osama bin laden, it also may have gotten the mother lode of intelligence on al qaeda, and we will tell you what they got coming up. [ male announcer ] says that lexus holds its value better than any other luxury brand. ♪ intellichoice proclaims that lexus has the best overall value of any brand. ♪ and j.d. power and associates
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jessica, what do we know about what was recovered? >> hi, randi. this is according to a senior u.s. official who gives us details on the numbers. they say when they left that compound they took with them 10 hard drives and five computers and for raj storage devices inc dvds and thumb drives, and anyone who has to be in the planning of any plot has to be nervous right now. >> and as far as the photo-op rations, we have heard so much about the photos, but you are told that there are a different of set of photos taken at different times? >> yes, according to the source, there are three sets of photos. one is osama bin laden after they brought his body back to afghanistan and then multiple pictures of osama bin laden's body on the "uss carl vincent" at sea for the burial, and then photos from the compound which incolludes pictures of the two brothers and one of bin laden's sons who were killed.
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now, the picture of osama bin laden in afghanistan is the most clearly identifiable of him, but i am told it is very gory with a huge open head wound and above and across both eyes, and so you can imagine that releasing that one is challenging, because it is sort of described as not the kind of thing that you want a child seeing in the tv or the newspaper, but on the other hand, it is the one that is most clearly identifiable as bin laden. so no doubt it is facer toing into the decision making into any concerns of inciting al qaeda, et cetera, as they decide whether to release the photo. >> i am sure you have been watching the discussion on twitter as i have been as to whether or not the photo has been released. a lot of people said, well, they did release the photos of saddam hussein, and so -- we will hold that question, jessica. we are over to the briefing that we have been promising our viewers. >> this thing has been there for days. >> better that way. aged. >> yeah, okay. all right. good afternoon, ladies and
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gentlemen. i don't have any announcements to make, so let's go straight to questions. >> jay, could you talk about the photos that you put out that shows the president and others watching in the situation room, what were they seeing in the moment that photo was taken? >> as john brennan, the president's counterterrorism adviser explained yesterday, the president and his top national security aides in the situation room had available to them minute-by-minute updates of the operation. that photograph was taken in the operation, and they were looking at and listening to those updates. i can't get more specific than that. but, this was during the operation, and during those tense moments that mr. brennan described yesterday and this morning on television. >> and why can't you get more specific without revealing technology or anything? >> well, i think it is
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specifically that we don't talk about with any great detail, you know, how we get our realtime information for a varietyf of reasons. i mean, those meetings take place in the situation room for a reason. they are there for secure communications, and so, i can't get more specific than that. i think that it has been said and so i can say that leon panetta the director of the central intelligence agency was on a screen and communicating with those in the situation room and the president. so, he was present in that room in that sense as well. >> so they were looking at leon panetta? >> well, again, they were receiving realtime minute-by-minute updates on the -- excuse me, on the operation taking place in pakistan at that moment. but, they were receiving a lot of information at once. >> okay. so, brennan and in his briefing yesterday made a couple of, i guess, misstatements or statements that later appear to
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be somewhat incorrect such as that the wife was shielding bin laden and it turned out it was not the wife, and there may not have been a shield and it was not clear whether or not bin laden had a gun. are you guys in a fog of this or what gives? >> well, what is true is that we provided a great deal of information with great haste in order to inform you and through you the american public about the operation, and how it transpired and the events that took place there in pakistan. obviously, some of to information was came in piece by piece and it is being reviewed and updated and elaborated on. so, what i can tell you that i have a narrative that i can provide to you on the raid, itself. on the bin laden compound in pakistan. on orders of the president a small u.s. team assaulted a secure compound in an affluent
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suburb of islamabad to capture or kill osama bin laden. the raid was conducted with u.s. military personnel assaulting on two helicopters. the team methodically cleared the compound moving from room to room in an operation lasting nearly 40 minutes. they were engaged in a firefight throughout the operation, and osama bin laden was killed by the assaulting force. in addition to the bin laden family, two other families resided in the compound. one family on the first floor of the bin laden building and one family in a second building. one team began the operation on the first floor of the bin laden house and worked their way to the third floor. a second team cleared the separate building. on the first floor of bin laden's building two al qaeda couriers were killed along with a woman who was killed in cross fire. bin laden and his family were found on the second and third floor of the building. there was concern that bin laden would oppose the capture operation and indeed, he did
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resist. in the room with bin laden, a woman, bin laden's wife, rushed the u.s. assaulter and was shot in the leg, but not killed. bin laden was then shot and killed. he was not armed. following the firefight, the noncombatants were moved to the safe location as the damaged helicopter was detonated. the team left the scene via helicopter to the "uss carl vincent" at sea. aboard the "uss carl vincent" the deceased's body was wash and then placed in a white sheet. the body was placed in a weighted bag, and a military officer read prepared religious remarks translated into arabic by a native speaker. after the words were prepared the body was placed on in a flat board and tipped up and the body eased into the sea. that is the narrative that i can provide to you today.
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>> in what way did -- >> i want to make clear that this is, again, information that is fresh and, you know, we will continue to gather and provide to you details as we get them and we are able to release them. the resistance was throughout as i said when the assaulter entered the room where osama bin laden was, and he was rushed by one individual in the room, and the resistance was con sis frent the mome -- consistent from the moment they landed to the end of the operation. yes? >> jay, just how did osama bin laden resist if he didn't have his hand on the gun, how was he resisting? >> well, the information and resistance does not require a firearm, but the information that i gave you is what i can tell you about it. i am sure more details will be provided as they become available, and we can release
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them. >> did he have any weapon? >> he was not armed is what i understand to be true. >> on the same theme, but to afghanistan, do you see the capture of bin laden affecting the pace and timing of the planned withdrawal of troops from afghanistan? >> no, i think that the president's plan is on track. it is -- you can see the operation that took place on sunday within the context of this plan that the president put in place for afghanistan and pakistan and within the broader commitment of candidate and president to refocus the tension on the af-pac region which is what they call al qaeda and home very recently to the leader of al qaeda. this president was very determined as you remember when he ran for office and since he came in here to refocus our attention on that region, on al qaeda, and as you recall in the
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very carefully deliberated upon plan that the president put forward for afghanistan, that the number one objective was to dismantle and eventually defeat al qaeda. getting bin laden was very much a part of that plan. but it is not the only part, as john brennan and others have said, and the president has said, we are continuing the fight against al qaeda everyday. and the focus of that operation of the u.s. personnel in afghanistan is on al qaeda. the operation continues. the july 2011 transition date for the beginning of a drawdown remains very much in place. the pace of that drawdown will be determined by conditions on the ground. >> final question, any update on the plans -- >> nothing but to echo what john brennan said this morning that we are obviously reviewing
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information and we have made a great deal revealed to the public in remarkable time, because this is the most highly classified operation that this government has undertaken in a number of years and the amount of information that we have tried to reveal to you is quite substantial, and we will continue to review it and consider the appropriateness of more release of information as the review continues on. >> jay, the pakistani government put out a statement in which they said that the isi had been providing information about the compound since 2009. whereas all we know about in terms of the media is that we have known about the compound since 2010. could you explain the discrepancy, and also has the isi been providing information about this compound? >> well, what i will do is to point you to the comments that john brennan made and others have made which is that the
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pakistanis have in general been very helpful in many ways in the fight against al qaeda, and that help has, was of assistance in general in the gathering of intelligence and information that led to the successful operation on sunday. i'm not aware of and i believe that we have said that we have been quite clear about our knowledge of the existence of this compound, and about the communications that we did not have with pakistani intelligence about this operation. >> all right. they also say in a statement that many houses in that region occupied by defectees of operations in the region have high boundary walls as part of a culture of privacy. so, high walls in that region obviously you got the right house, i'm not questioning that, but is this your cultural understanding of the region that high walls are -- >> i think that this is a unique
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property within the region, but he clearly successfully hid from sight at least our sight for a very long time. and he is not the only high-value target who did that by hiding in highly populated areas. obviously, there was some speculation for many years that he and other high value al qaeda operatives were hiding in caves or villages or living nomadic existences, and what we have seemed to discover over the years of investigating and finding these high valued targets is that there has been a preference for highly populated areas which understandably can sometimes be an easier place to hide. >> and lastly, the previous administration did release photographs of high value targets and using hussein as an
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example and it went off relatively without a hitch, why would you not release a photo of bin laden? >> well, i will be candid. there are sensitivities of the appropriateness of releasing photographs of osama bin laden and in the aftermath of this firefight, and we are making an evaluation about the need to do that. because of the sensitivities involved, and we do, we review this information and make this decision with the same calculation as we do so many things which is what, you know, what we are trying to accomplish and does it or in any way harm our interests, and that is not just domestically, but global. >> can you explain sensitivities? because it is a gruesome photograph? >> it is fair to say it is a gruesome photograph? >> yes.
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>> and it could be inflame emotions? >> yes, it could be inflammatory. that is one of the considerations. i won't get into who and where, who has seen the photographs and where they are. >> okay. jay, you say that bin laden was not armed, and why was the decision made to kill him as opposed to capture? >> the, as mr. brennan and others have made clear that we were prepared to capture him if that was possible. we expected a great deal of resistance and were met with a great deal of resistance. >> what kind? he was not armed. >> but there were many other people in the compound, and there was a firefight. >> and in the room -- >> dan, it was a highly volatile firefight, and i will point you the department of defense for more details about that, but he resisted the u.s. personnel on the ground handled themselves with the utmost professionalism,
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and he was killed in an operation because of the resistance that they met. >> since everyone here was getting realtime information was the decision to shoot and kill done there by that unit or was there consultation or information flowing back and forth and directed, yes, go or the the kill at that point? >> the command of the operation was run from the ground and certainly not from the white house. and at the point that i think that mr. brennan described this yesterday at the briefing or perhaps on television or maybe in both places that at that point, the folks in the situation room were observers and listeners to an operation that had been obviously carefully thought out, and meticulously prepared for and the decision to go with the president's in obviously was a very weighty decision. once it began, however, obviously, it was up to those
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taking the action to execute the plan. >> yesterday the white house put out a read out of the president's calls to various world leaders and any additional calls today? and have any of the world leaders expressed concern about the u.s. going into another country unannounced? >> we did provide a readout and i don't have any new calls to read out for you at this time. my understanding is that the calls were all included congratulations to the united states for their successful operation and in capturing and killing osama bin laden. i'm not aware of any concern expressed about the issue that you raise and in fact, the president of pakistan has an op-ed in the "washington post" and they also congratulated us on this success. yes, chip?
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>> well, at one point you said that the assaulter was brushed when you were describing the situation when bin laden was killed. was there just one assaulter in the room with bin laden, and were both shots fired by one person? >> i don't have a detail on the shots and who fired them. when you -- my understanding is they entered a room one at a time, this particular room. but beyond, that i don't know. there was obviously a team in the compound, but i don't want to venture a guess. i find it better to not do that, so i would point you to the department of defense for that. >> and it is still believed that a wife of osama bin laden was shot but not killed. >> shot in the leg. >> but not in that room. >> on the first floor. >> on the first floor. and you said -- do you know how many, because you said it with
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ausz real g -- it was a gun battle and my understanding is that 17 or so of them in the room were noncombatants. >> well, a number of people were unharmed and made safely secure after the operation was complete and the helicopter had to be detonate. but there was a firefight. >> do you know how many people were firing from -- >> i don't -- again, we are providing you this information as it is made available for public release. the pentagon is working on this, and will i'm sure continue to update the information as it becomes available. >> and there was a report sourced for the isi that the noncombatants had had their hands tied in preparation for taking them away on the helicopter at which they could not do because one of the helicopters had been damaged. do you know anything about that? >> i don't. i'd certainly not heard anything like that in this building. >> finally, is there video of
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the burial at sea? >> yeah. i won't get into the specifics -- >> just does it exist. >> i understand, but the visual material is being reviewed and decisions about it will be made about what if any of it can be or should be released. i don't want to get into the specifics about what there is and what there isn't, but i urge you to be patient given how much information has been released and understanding why we need to review this and make the appropriate decision. i would also say, there is not as reported some roiling debate about this. there is simply a discussion about what the appropriate action should be. >> is the president involved in that discussion? >> the president is intimately involved in all aspects of this operation. >> time line for when a decision? >> i don't have a time line. i don't have a time line. >> jay, what is the status of u.s./pakistani relations today as the white house sees them?
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>> it is a complicated but important relationship. pakistan is a partner of, a key partner this tfight of al qaeda and we look forward to cooperating with them in the future. we have been in contact at many levels of the pakistani government, and as you know, the president called zardari the night of the operation before he spoke to the american people. and so while we recognize that there are complicated differences between our two countries and how we approach and view things at times, there is also a great deal of cooperation and that should not be lost. the american people should know that as they view this, and try to view the complete picture of that relationship and within the context of the successful mission on sunday.
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>> we heard some lawmakers suggest perhaps freezing pakistan until they can demonstrate that they didn't know anything about bin laden's whereabouts. the white house have a view on that? >> i would just say that it is an important partnership, and pakistan has been on the front lines in many ways of the fight against al qaeda and against terrorists. pakistanis have suffered. in large numbers at the hands of terrorists and they have been, the government has provided useful and important assistance and cooperation to us in the years of the struggle against terrorism. so i would leave it at that. while accepting the fact that we do need the find out and as john brennan said this morning need to find out more about the support network that did allow bin laden to hide in this compound in the suburb of
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islamabad, and we understand that the pakistanis are investigating that as well. >> president zardari said in his op-ed that pakistan did its part. is that true? >> i would say they have provided useful intelligence and cooperation over the years and broadly speaking, provided assistance that helped us build theinformation that we needed to build in order to find bin laden and execute this mission. >> jay, just a follow-up on pakistan. senator lindsey graham said you cannot trust them and you cannot abandon them. do you agree with that assessment? >> it is not a question of trust. it is a question of the interests that we share and the cooperation that we have forged. there are -- it is a complicated relationship. there is no question. we do have our differences. and i think that it is important to note that there are many
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people in pakistan and many people in the pakistan government, so it is a, i think that you have to be careful about tarring everyone either in the country or the government, because they have provided extremely useful assistance over the years, and we look forward to cooperating with pakistan going into the future, and it is vital, because as we have said, lopping the head off of the snake is important, but the body while battered and bruised because of the actions that have been taken over the years is still there and we need to bury the body and keep the fight up against al qaeda and pakistan is important partner in that effort. >> in previous dealings with pakistan, it seems that you guys have had to dole wieal with the three camps. so the president called president zardari, and i believe called by gates, and were other people informed at the same level since it is not the same
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government? >> we have had contact with the -- >> on the night of the -- >> well, the calls on that evening from the president to president zardari, i will not read out here, but we have contact with senior members of the pakistani government reg yaw lar larly. >> on the issue of the photograph, you say that there are concerns about inflaming passions, but are you concerned about people outside of the united states? >> no, i leave it that we are reviewing the situation. i don't have details on the consultation, because we are going about this in a methodical way and trying to make the best call. >> anything new to add yesterday to john brennan wouldn't characterize what was gotten intelligence-wise from the compound, and after that, there are descriptions of the amount of data, and do you have anything to add? >> well, i don't have a quall -- rather quantitative assessment,
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but what i can say is that there are sort of three area s ths th hope that the information collected will provide insight into. and most important is any evidence of planned attacks and second would be information to lead to other high value targets or other networks that exist that maybe we don't know about or only know a little bit about, and then, you know, third and more broadly, on the al qaeda network, itself, and then in the sustaining network for bin laden in pakistan, what allowed him to live in that compound for as long as he did. >> my understanding is that the president got an update of the threat assessment post bin laden, and do you have any update? >> well, the president receives a regular threat level briefing so i would not tie that to the
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bin laden operation, but having said, that i will say that it is without question that homeland security officials and everyone involved in counterterrorism has been assessing and was assessing prior to the operation's success what the impact might be on the mission, and so far we don't have any specific or credible threats which is why, system ha -- some have asked why we haven't raised the level, but we are vigilant and taking what is seen and unseen to maintain the vigilance. we have estimated a potential for the backlash and potential for at least a desire if not the ability to exact some kind of revenge against the united states, american people or our allies, so we are very vigilant. carol? >> is the white house concerned at all that a rift with pakistan
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over what they knew and when they knew it could harm our relationship as you said they have been critical to the united states? >> we are working very hard on that relationship. it is an important and complicated relationship that has been tested in many ways over the years. and even this year, but we are in communication with the president and other senior members of the government, and we are committed to continuing the cooperation that we have had, because it is so important both to our fight against al qaeda, but also pakistan's. i think that we remain confident that, that cooperation and i know we remain confident that cooperation will continue. >> but as you look at what knowledge they had about bin laden and the compound, and that plays out in the media and all that, is there any concern of --
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>> well, look, first of all we don't know yet . we don't know who if anybody in the government was aware that bin laden or a high valued target was living in the compound. what john brennan has said and others have said is that it is logical to assume he had some sort of supporting network, but what constituted that network is remains to be seen. again, there are a big country and big government, and to, you know, we have to be very focused and careful about how we do this, because it is an important relationship. i would also say that the idea that these kinds of complications exist is not new. this is obviously a very sensational case because it is osama bin laden, but it is not an issue that arrived on on the doorstep sunday. >> particularly on the debt
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ceiling in the u.s., is the white house making any progress on the talks with the republicans on how to deal with that? >> well, it is am complicated process, the debt ceiling and as you know the secretary of the treasury issued a letter because of the extraordinary measures that the treasury department is able to take and the administration's before this have taken place and the revenues have come in slightly above more than expected, the deadline is pushed back by three weeks, but that is an estimate, and it is important to remember that it san estimais an estimat urgency of raising the debt ceiling remains. we will look forward to the discussions beginning thursday with the vice president on the lead with the fiscal issues that we hope to reach bipartisan compromise on and while we believe it is very important that these are parallel tracks that this is also a topic of
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conversation. we are heartened as we have been in the past by sxhecomments tha have been made about the necessity of the debt ceiling being raised and we do not want another recession and default on the full faith and credit of the united states of america government, and we hope that the conversations that ne gosh ygot on thursday will bear fruit in both directions. >> can you talk about what the president will do thursday? >> at the meeting? >> no, in new york. >> well, we will give you a full schedule. it is obviously out there that we will be, the president will be visiting new york and ground zero, but beyond that, i don't have details at this time. mark? >> jay, can you tell us who wrote the narrative that you read to us? >> that was provided bey the department of defense. >> the d.o.d.? >> yes. >> and were you able to describe how bin laden resisted? >> beyond what i was able to give you from here, i would
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refer you to the pentagon and simply say that we have been working very hard to declassify information at record-speed to provide as much insight into the operation as quickly as we can, and mindful of the equities at stake here in terms of the never revealing sources and methods and never compromising our intelligence procedures, but i, you know, we are working very hard to provide as much information as we can. >> can you say if there has been any change in president obama's opposition to so-called interrogation techniques? >> tho channo change whatsoever >> were any interrogation results used in tracking down bin laden? >> well, mark, the fact is that no single piece of information
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led to the successful mission that occurred on sunday. and multiple detainees provided insights into the networks of people who might have been enlisted by bin laden, but reporting from detainees is a slice of information gathered by incredibly diligent professionals over the years in the intelligence community. and it is simply strange f fragility to say that some information from eight years ago that was gathered may or may not have led to a successful mission sunday is not the case. >> i was not suggesting it. others have. >> okay. >> and did anything come out of last night's dinner that would show that there is movement toward the agreement of the debt ceiling and the deficit
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reduction? >> not that i am aware of. it was a big dinner and what does help the cause of bipartisan cooperation is that sitting down with one another, and having conversations and realizing that through the conservations that there are shared values and shared goals and that just the having an event like that is useful in and of itself. now i don't want to overstate it, because there have been dinners here in the past with bipartisan members of congress, but it is part of an overall effort to bring democrats and republicans together so that an atmosphere is created is that allows for the kind of really tough work that needs to be done to reach consensus and compromise on hard issue, and the kinds of issues that have not been revolved in the past because they are hard and
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disagreement and honest disagreement of how to get from here to there and how to get the result in the case of deficit reduction. the result that both parties and the president agree on which is in this case $4 trillion of deficit reduction over 12 years. so that in and of itself is a unifying point, and the president looks forward to the negotiations that will begin at the blair house led by the vice president, and obviously, that is the first of many meetings we hope. we hope it is productive and that it will lead to a process that will in the end achieve an agreement on some serious deficit reduction, and maybe not all of the issues will be resolved, but there are areas of compromise that we can find if everyone enters the building across the street with the spirit of compromise in their hearts. that requires an acceptance that we will not get everything that
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we want and nobody will if the we reach an agreement. >> what areas of compromise will the vice president -- >> well, i will say that the vice president will bring to the table some serious ideas, but i will not negotiate them here, and we are committed to the process and we believe there is room for compromise and reason to believe that because the goal is shared, because the imperative is there, because the american people expect us to do this that we can actually get a result. >> has the administration been in touch with the members of the gang of six? >> well, we have had conversations with senators in and out of gangs, and the but it is safe to assume that we have had conversations, that members of the administration have had conversations with members of that group, and with everybody who takes this issue seriously and putting on the table con struck st strucktive ideas about how to get the fiscal house in order in a balanced way that makes sure
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that responsibility is shared and prosperity is shared and that we don't reverse any of the progress that we have made in terms of the economic growth and job creation. >> well, the pool said that there was audible laughter through the cabinet door, and can you tell us about the president's mood since the mission was completed? >> i don't know about laughter. there's a recognition in this building as there is across the government and across the country that what occurred sunday evening or sunday afternoon was a historic event and a great victory for the american people. and a demonstration of the great resolve that americans have when they have an objective, and when it seems like the goal is
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unachievable americans keep working. i think that is reflected in the spirit that is felt here and around the country. what i will say is that i was in a meeting with the president for over an hour yesterday and sunday's events didn't come up, and what was reflective and it was a serious meeting about a serious policy issue, but what i took away from that was the observation and realization that this train never stops. there is work to be done all of the time on so many issues, and that is as significant as what happened sunday is, and how important it is that the president will on thursday to fully recognize the loss that took place on 9/11, and the sacrifices that have been made over this decade in this fight against al qaeda, there are so many other issues as well that need his attention.
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>> and so it is not like a visible weight lifted from his shoulders? >> not that i have seen. but i would not say that the weight was wearing on him. i was, i think i mentioned yesterday that what was remarkable about friday and that long day we had was in retrospect how capable he was of focusing on the issues that he was dealing with in alabama, the terrible devastating that those tornadoes wrought on tuscaloosa and the rest of the state, and the meeting with congresswoman giffords and the crew at cape canaveral and then meeting and speaking with the graduating students at miami-dade, and you know, again, in retrospect to look back and to think that this, too, was weighing on his mind and he had known that prior to getting on marine i and flying out to andrews he had signed off and said it is a go is rather remarkable. >> can you talk about the push
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of immigration in the white house in the last three or four weeks and how it is different are the the last few times it has been pushed? >> well, it is not different, and it is again commitment and resolve and the fact that we were not able to get immigration reform in the first two years does not lessen the commitment or the resolve to keep trying. this president, as you will see, in coming weeks is committed to the need for comprehensive immigration reform, and that is what the meetings he has had and continues to have are about. and the push will continue. because, he thinks it is important. it is hard, but it is important. yes? >> jay, can i go back to the narrative one more time? >> sure. >> when that assaulter entered the room, you said he was rushed by the woman, presumably, that is bin laden's wife? >> no, no, no. bin laden's wife was on the first floor. >> and she was shot in the leg. >> correct. >> and then on the second or the third -- >> yes, yes. >> that is not what the narrative says. >> is that a narrative or
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discrepancy. >> i apologize. even i am confused. in the room with bin laden was bin laden's wife. she rushed one of the u.s. assaulters and she was shot in the leg but not killed. a woman on the first floor was killed in the crossfire. >> okay. >> and bin laden's wife was unarmed as well? >> that is my understanding, yes. >> and there was no unelse in the room? >> we don't know that. >> following on the same thing yesterday, mr. brennan -- >> sorry, mark. >> i had one general thing, but i would be happy to continue on this. >> the question i had more broadly was do you think that the or is president obama concerned that having taken out such a visible symbol of al qaeda whether or not it truly degrades al qaeda as a network? that it will be more and more difficult for him to make the case to the american people that this effort is worth 100,000 troops or 80,000 troops and if
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so, what steps can be made to continue the argument? >> well, he will continue to make the argument that we need to remain vigilant and take the fight to al qaeda. one of the things to remember about the approach here is that it was not solely about osama bin laden. in fact, while he was focused on it as has been evidenced by some of to information released including the memo from june of 2009, the effort, itself, was not broadly focussed on one individual. again, his approach, i mean, you -- the increased pressure that this administration has put on al qaeda in the border region has been reported on in great detail by your newspaper and many other outlet, and that is a function of, a result of his approach to this problem. the focus on al qaeda that he
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felt had been lost in previous years when the focus was shifted from al qaeda and afghanistan to bin laden and iraq. one thing that, you know, that is always important to remember and bears repeat, because i think that a lot of americans don't realize is that more than 100,000 troops have been withdrawn under this president from iraq. that has freed up, and again, part of the refocus of our attention on the af-pak region, and making that our principle goal, and the defeat of al qaeda that. will continue, and no question that the case has to be continued to be made, but we are under no illusion that removing bin laden will remove the threat entirely. we believe he was an important
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symbol symbolic personb in this, and other al qaeda leaders out there might be re-evaluating their safety and security as a result of what occurred sunday. because they will be hunted down, too. the fight does not stop. yes. >> and in the narrative, which of those women was being used in the human shield as mr. brennan suggested? >> again, what i would say about that is to use your phrase fog of war and fog of combat and a lot of information coming in and it is still unclear. the woman i believe you are talking about is the one on the first floor who was caught in the crossfire and whether or not she was being used as a shield or trying to use herself as a shield or simply caught in the crossfire is unclear. we are working on getting the details that we can. >> and what the president called president zardari -- >> if i can point out that the woman shot in the leg and physically assaulted the or attempted to assault or charge rather one of the u.s.
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assaulters and that every effort was taken for those who were not engaged in an effort to resist to protect them, the nine combatants and it was rather extraordinary the number of individuals who were in the compound who were not posing a threat to the assaulters, that they were made secure and not harmed. >> and when the president called president zardari, was he aware of any of this action? well, you know, i don't know. it was obviously, a number of hours afterwards, but -- i'm not sure if it had become public yet. >> and from the first phone call that president obama made, was it to president bush? >> i don't have the chronology in that, but it was one of the early phone calls. can we just -- i will get to you. >> the events that took place on sunday, do you think they changed the atmosphere at all in which the debt ceilings discussions take place in a way that is perhaps more positive
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for the president? >> i think that what happened on sunday and i think that this is very important because it would be a shame if this became a piece in a partisan narrative, because what the president feels very strongly about is that the accomplishment on sunday was an american accomplishment and not a republican or democratic accomplishment, but the result of incredibly hard work, especially by a lot of unseen and unknown individuals in the military and in the intelligence commune te. it was the product of a focus that was brought to bear on bin laden and al qaeda central, and that, you know, was, and the product of a very risky operation. the extent that it affects the atmosphere, we hope it affects it positively, because we
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believe it demonstrates the capacity of americans to do big things when they work together and work on common goals. obviously, nothing changes washington overnight, and it does not erase a great success like that does not erase the real differences that we have on policy issues. but, it does demonstrate, i think a part of who we are as americans. that kind of positive indication we hope will carry through for at least a little while. >> you mentioned that you hoped that people would -- it is 40 minutes past the hour and we are listening to the white house briefing revealing more details about the operation to kill osama bin laden and i will tell you that we did get a bit of new information there, and the fact that we have press secretary jay carney telling us that osama bin laden was not armed. the white house has said that he did resist the attack on his compound, but he would not give any detail on how he resisted given the fact that he was armed,s and he said that bin
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laden's wife charged one of the navy s.e.a.l.s and he did not say whether or not she was armed, but she was shot in the leg. another quick point as well to make that stood out to me is the amount of intelligence that was taken, and they are now looking through the intelligence to see if there are any other high-valued targets and what other plots might be out there and what other information might have allowed osama bin laden to live in that compound there in the center of pakistan for however long that he did. so, those are the highlights. here is some animation to help you see how it all went down in the compound. you see the two helicopters coming in. one crashed and later scuttled by thes.e.a.l. team, and we find out that osama bin laden was unarmed. and the couriers were killed on the first floor. there arep apparently pictures as well of this whole thing, and cnn learned that the photos were taken of the operation showing all of those killed inside.
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there are picture of bin laden's body after it was taken to the ship at sea, and the burial at sea, and right now the white house is not saying if it is planning to release the pictures. pakistan is saying no role no the operation, but the foreign ministry says their information helped the u.s. find bin laden, and they are expressing concerns over the fact that the u.s. did not tell pakistan that they were coming. in an interview with "time" magazine, leon panetta said that there was concern that pakistan would twawarn the targets. and cnn national correspondent nic robertson had a chance to get up to one of the 18-foot walls that surrounded the compound to get a closer look. >> reporter: it is right here across the field where there is a big crowd of people gathering around there. i can see the soldiers as one soldier is walking across the field, but when you look at the building and look at it there, it is different from all of the other buildings around it.
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it is taller. it is the high wall. the compound starts right here, and you can see how high the wall is. look at this. okay. i'm 6'0" and my arms maybe another two feet, so that is an idea of how tall the wall is and of course razor wire on top of it as well. if you come back and stand up over here, you can see the high part of the compound building here. it was up there on the second and the third floor where bin laden was killed. two shots, one to the head, one to the chest. what is already becoming a tourist attraction of itself, and look at the people gaerred this here. they have their cell phone out taking pictures and professional journalists down here and a lot of people coming here to see. you can see the doors here and the pink labels here.
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no shg, no, no. they are sealing the compound, and behind the doors the blood on the floor and this is taken right after the fight was finish and now all of the damage is off limits. as you walk around the compound, there is nothing to give away that the world's most wanted terrorist was living inside here, but this is incredibly ironic that painted outside is anned a vert f an advert for a girl's college. and think of this, this man, bin laden denied women education, and his version of islam denied women the opportunity to progress in life, a and here on the outside of the place he was hiding is an advert for girl's education. and i can look and squinting to
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look in here and the building is up here and i can't see any signs of heavy explosion or pot marks from the gun fire. he couldn't have been hiding in anymore plain sight than that, and around three sights of the compound, a farmer's field, and cabbages down here and potatoes back there and marijuana plants right up to the side of the compound. plain sight. the farmers were working these fields and he was just over the wall. are you surprised to know now who it was that was there? >> yes, i am surprised. i am surprised that it was osama bin laden and any other people, and to have known people. >> reporter: are you happy he is killed? >> yes, because the peace is very important for us. >> reporter: and the lasting impression i have of bin laden's compound here is how little damage there is. how few bullet marks we can see and the shell blasts. it is clear that the main battle took place right inside of
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there. nic robertson, abottabad, pakistan. >> that is fascinating. with the death of bin laden, the debate heats up over the mission in afghanistan and is it time for u.s. troops to leave? cnn in depth is next. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] with amazing innovation, driven by relentless competition, wireless puts the world at your command.
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taliban and get osama bin laden, but osama bin laden is dead and now the troops are still battling there. and there are around 100,000 troops there and 1,460 have been killed in action and 11,000 more wounded in "operation enduring freedom" and the president and the pentagon have a plan to withdraw this year, but with bin laden gone, should the timetable change? we are putting it to the stream team. and utah's congressman brent chaffitz is with us, and our correspondent. should the u.s. begin pulling out now? jason, let's begin with you. >> yes. i took a position in 2009, that we have had progress in the last ten year, and we have had 100,000 troops on the ground in afghanistan is a nation-building exercise and global terrorism is a worldwide problem and not confined to the borders of
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afghanistan or pakistan and we the need the intelligence and human and electronic, but it does impact a lot more people than the people in afghanistan. >> i i agree it is not going to take 100,000 people, but a lot of people. look at the announcement of president obama before he announced the raid announcing the new ambassador to afghanistan, and general petraeus petrae petraeus' movement as well. he wants to have a sustainable footprint that we can sustain in the region militarily and politically and financially. we need to sustain a long-term basis, and we pulled out of the region in 1989 and we could have the same debate when the soviets left afghanistan and we made a huge mistake. >> well, a lot of questions for you, but first, what has the killing of osama bin laden done for the popularity of the president? >> in a new cnn research opinion
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corporation poll, 67% of the people approve of the way the president is handling terrorism. and it is up since january when it was only 58%. again, a seven-point bump. and finally, when people asked if the president was a strong and decisive leader 58% said yes and that is up 5.6% since early apr april. br brett, does any of the numbers surprise you, especially the 7% bump in the handling of afghanist afghanistan? >> certainly not. i sat in the situation room with president bush when he had to make tough decisions, and president obama decided to go after bin laden with a special forces team when he could have blown apart the compound from the sky. it is a risky decision, and it is the decision that only a president can make and he deserves all of the credit he is
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getting right now. >> do you feel like it is mission accomplished in afghanistan? >> no, absolutely not. i applaud the presidentt in getting osama bin laden and i think that he gave a great speech and articulated well the situation and made some gutsy calls and we should give him some credit about that, but no, the mission is not accomplished t . the global war on terror will go on for decades and that is why we have to pour resources into the intelligence human and electronic to make sure when we have actionable intelligence we can act on it as our forces did. >> and you said that it is propping up a government that is fundamentally corrupt. i want you to explain that. >> well, to define success, nobody knows what that is all about in afghanistan. there is no present threat to the united states or the government, and al qaeda
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estimates that there are less than 50 there in the country, and there are a lot of bad guys and work that needs to be done, but we don't need 100,000 people to do it. we need a small footprint and recognize it is global in nature and not just afghanistan. >> brett, can you react to that? >> well, i just that there are costs of staying and getting this right, and huge costs of leaving. leaving is not cost-free. it is something that we need to remind ourselves and again, the history here is very, very important. we left the region in 1989 and left pakistan and sanctioned them as an adversary which had broad support in the congress and the country, and that was a huge mistake. no direct lines to 9/11, but a contributing factor. i agree with the congressman, we cannot stay with 100,000, and nobody is saying that now, because we need a sustainable posture and the president is going to be listening to the advisers and i hope that congress gives the resources to put ourselves in position to succeed over the long term. we have to be there for a long time and not with 100,000 troops, but 30,000 troops or so,
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is something we can sustain and need. >> and congressman, what if we did drawdown and left afghanistan and what message does that send to pakistan? >> well, look, we can't sustain these numbers for a long periods of time. we have a very, very small footprint to leave, and we would not say there is absolutely nobody there in country, but we need to work with the people in the countries and have a working relationship and it is strained and volatile right now with pakistan, but we like pakistan and we need to work with the other countries and recognize their own sovr ti. >> and the taliban as well, what would that say to them, brett? >> well, one of the missions of the surge strategy was to degrade the taliban and find a negotiated settlement which involves the taliban, and pakistan and afghanistan and the ambassador there ryan crock ser the master at this. the insurgency is a pashtun-based tribal insurgency and the taliban thrive on that.
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