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the u.s. should help the u.s. or should help south africa and it should help iraq and the asian countries so that we will be able to build up our future for our children. >> thank you very much. >> yeah, i know she has moved on, but i haven't. so who won the goldfish beauty pageant? who cares. it is not like one fish did the good evening, everyone. "outfront" tonight, the r word. it's become sort of a four-letter word for some, but
>> he favors redistribution. >> he believes in redistribution. >> it's known as redistribution. >> the word takes on different meaning for different people. here is mitt romney's definition. i know there are some people who believe that if you simply take from some and give to others that we'll all be better off. it's known as redistribution. it's never been a characteristic of america. >> okay. this word didn't come out of nowhere, of course, because mitt romney was taking a jab at president obama. a 1998 clip of then state senator barack obama has surfaced on the drudge report. he spoke at a loyola university conference and made this pitch. for more effective government.
>> i think the trick is figuring out how do we structure government systems that pull resources and hence facilitate some redistribution because i actually believe in redistribution, at least at a certain level to make sure that everybody's got a shot. >> okay. what is redistribution exactly? well, in times like this when a word becomes political dynamite, it's time to go to the dictionary. we went to "webster's." here's what we found. redistribution. the theory, policy or practice of lessening or reducing inequalities in income through such measures as progressive income taxation and anti poverty programs. okay. granted, redistribution can happen in a lot of ways. medicare, social security, food programs. the list goes on. we want no focus on the other part of it. progressive income taxation. voters care a lot about their
taxes, so here are the facts. here are our current tax rates. six brackets. you know which one you're in. 10%, 15, 25, 28, 33 and 35. now, the president's proposed plan would keep those four rates the same and raise the last two. so, if you're in the last two, you're at 33, you're going to go to 36 and if you're at 35, you would end up with a 39.6% bracket, so the rich would be paying more through progressive income taxation. makes sense. that's what president says he wants. some of that money paid by the wealthy subsidizes things for the less fortunate. in other words, redistribution. now, it is important to note when we did this analysis that if the president keeps a lot of loopholes for the wealthy, simple things like mortgage income deduction, state and local income taxes, their marginal rates would be much lower than the 39.6% statutory rate.
but for simplicity sake, the spread between the top and bottom under president obama would be about 30 percentage points. okay. now, let's take mitt romney. he said something rather shall we say pro-redistribution recently. he says he would eliminate tax breaks for the rich. >> well, i can tell you people at the high-end, high income taxpayers are going to have fewer deductions and exceptions. >> fewer deductions and exemptions for people at the high end. all right. we don't know exactly which deductions are going to go away under a mitt romney presidency. but since we're trying to compare romney to obama on the basic difference between the top and bottom rates, we did this. we asked the tax policy center, which did the most frequently cited critical report on the romney tax plan, what would happen if all loopholes went away from the people making over $1 million a year?
now those paying a tax rate of 35% would pay a rate of 44.5%. now, of course, they would get the tax cut of 20%, which romney has promised everyone, which would bring the rate to about 35.6%, if you took the 20% off that total. the bottom line, the spread between the bottom tax rate and the top tax rate would be 27.6 percentage points under president romney. let's hold this up on the screen because again, the spread between the bottom rate an the top rate under president obama is 29.6 percentage points. yes. we are getting progressive income taxation, remember, our definition, from both candidates. "outfront" tonight is john mccormick and steven moore of "the wall street journal" editorial board. thanks to both of you. obviously, you can run these
numbers in a lot of ways. we don't have exact information on what loopholes romney would close, so inexact science. but it is safe to say that the conclusion would be that both of these people are for redistribution and progressive taxation in some way, right, john? >> i'd actually disagree. the tax policy center is one study, but there's another conducted by harvey rosen and he has concluded that under plausible growth assumptions that you wouldn't have a net tax burden decrease for the rich and an increase for the middle class or the lower class, so this all depends on whether you assume -- >> but that also assumes -- again, what rosen assumes the closing every loophole, which we know is something romney doesn't want to do. >> no, that's not what he assumes. >> he does. he assumes you're getting rid of
capital gains. >> not every loophole though. he assumes by getting rid of loopholes for the wealthy, again, this is a problem where he hasn't been specific. >> we're trying get into a point. i don't want to lose sight of this, which is loopholes for the wealthy, not for others. that's progressive. >> well, it, we -- don't have the exact idea, but that's the whole idea. i think the debate is whether we want to distribute the pod more equi equitably. romney's plan is saying let's grow the economic pie. lower the rates for everyone and close some loopholes. they're very powerful special interest groups that will respond and bring everything to bear to stop that from getting into place. they're going to wait until after the election and go into congress. credit to romney, he's been more specific on his spending plans, medicare reform than president obama has. >> i want to stick specifically with this point. reading between the lines, it is clear, steven moore, and i think
it's very clear. that mitt romney, whatever words he wants to use to define it or what america he says he wants to believe in, believes in a progressive taxation system. that is clear. >> we have a progressive tax system. he wants to make it a little less progressive. i'm a radical on this. i'm with a lot of americans. i think we should have a flat rate income tax system. let's have one tax rate. you talked about lowering the tax rates, something that was going to benefit only the rich people and that this is some kind of radical idea to close the loopholes and cut the rates. we did this in 1986. we didn't cut the tax rate to 36%. we got the top tax rate down to 28% and after that happened, the the share of taxes paid by the rich increased just as they did after '81 and george bush's tax cuts paid by the rich increase. we have a highly progressive tax
system, top 20% pay over 90% of the income tax, so this is a tax system that depends a lot on six figure taxpayers and millionaires and billionaires. we just need more of them to balance this budget. >> what about the issue that mitt romney said redistribution has never been a characteristic of america. >> that's right. >> what do you mean, that's right? >> the constitution guarantees life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, not the guarantee of happiness. the purpose is not to redistribute income. >> it's republicans who put forward the child tax credit. bush who put forward one of the biggest entitlements in history. all that is redistribution. >> you're right, we have a highly redistribution system, and that's a big problem with america. that's what romney should make as a theme of his presidency, that we now redistribute about a
trillion dollars every year to people who are not working right now through welfare program, food stamps, unemployment, disability, housing aid. that's a big problem. sounds a lot like what's happened in europe and look at the problem they are in. >> thank you very much to both of you. appreciate it. a very interesting conversation and one that no doubt is full of frustrations for both sides, the left and the right. ahead, republicans have thought for months they could get back control of the is that the, but have recent gaffes by mitt romney shattered those dreams? we have the numbers. and super pacs are spending so much to get your vote, you've heard about it again and again, but do the agencies charged with overseeing them do their job? want to try to crack it? yeah, that's the way to do it! now we need a little bit more... a little bit more vanilla?
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flip them and we're in, that's what they thought. but, if you look at this map, these are eight states republicans were optimistic they could keep or carry. so here they are. take a minute. you see virginia on there. okay. connecticut. but now, a number of those states are toss ups with democrats leading in several crucial ones including virginia, missouri and also, massachusetts. so, how much of this has to do with mitt romney? "outfront" tonight, dana bash and when races are this tight, it seems like everything must have an effect. whether it be romney's recent 47% remarks on people paying taxes or anything else, right? >> that's certainly the fear among republicans running a lot of these races. that is why with regard to this last controversy over mitt romney's 47% mark, the people who really could have potentially been hurt the most moved very, very fast to distance themselves from mitt romney. take a look at what i'm talking about.
the senator from massachusetts. scott brown, who is behind before this. linda mcmahon, the candidate from connecticut and dean heller, the republican senator from nevada. i spoke with him for a fairly long time in the hall of the senate today and he was talking about why he totally disagrees with mitt romney and put it in interesting terms. i want to put up part of his quote. he said i don't write off anybody and went on to say i have five brothers and sisters. my father was an auto mechanic, my mother was a school cook. i have a very different view of the world, meaning different than romney, who suggested 47% of americans are already obama voters and are on the government dime. he said to me that he believes the government has a responsibility to have a safety net for people and that is something he said in a very calculated way, wanted to make sure it got out there. nevada is a neck in neck state, and a state he says he believes his fortunes are tied to mitt romney.
>> thank you very much. showing this could be a very different world than some think in a couple of months time. also "outfront," patrick millsips and jonathan prince, a former senior official for president obama. patrick, how much is mitt romney hurting these senate races? >> i don't think we can tell that yet. i think some of these senate races you're still seeing a clinton bump from the convention. i also think you're seeing it an electorate that's getting engaged. we've got to remember that honey boo boo beat both conventions in terms of ratings on tv. >> that's a terribly depressing thing. for everybody. the left and the right can unite on that one. >> i lost brain cells saying the words, honey boo boo. you're seeing new polls out saying the the voters who are the most interested, it's still a tight race and i think you're going to see that trickle down
to these states. the state polling is lower than national polling and a lot of it depends on specific issues happening in the states that i don't think the national polling is effective in determines. >> let me ask you, jonathan, about what's going on in massachusetts. scott brown and elizabeth warren. now, she has opened up a lead. seems like it's outside the margin of error. right exactly at it. but has been trending in this direction. still, scott brown is a very popular person in massachusetts. 60%. did the democrats just get too confidence? >> there's also a risk. as you point out, scott brown is very popular. one of the only elections in the country where both candidates are reasonably popular. if there's an issue where there's serious head wind, massachusetts, it's funny, a state where mitt romney was governor. the president obama is probably
going to win by 30 points. i just don't see a lot of -- >> so, patrick, let me ask you about virginia. we were talking about a poll "the washington post" had now opened up i believe 8% or 9% in favor of war accident obama. george allen is now trailing tim kaine. to you think these sorts of margins are make upable at this point? >> yeah, i think they are. you look at this race in particular, i mean when i worked for newt, we went up and down, first, last. donald trump was the front-runner at one point. these races turn on a dime. if you remember the newt analogy again, we went to south carolina, we were kind of hemorrhaging and then newt had two good debate performances and we ended up taking the state. so i think this race beyond
anything we've seen before, because of twitter, 24 hour news cycle, this is however many minutes in a day, that's how quickly news travels. i think what this week has down and last week, i think we're going to get into some real issues like redistribution versus a conservative grow the economy, what role do public unions play and then foreign policy. i think now that the electorate is going to be engaged seemed to be engaged, i think these are very makeupable. >> and that was a made up word, makeupable. >> you coined it. >> thanks to both of you. ahead, despite a woman's pleas to 911 for help, she was found dead and found dead two days later. her family holding the police accountable. plus, an "outfront" investigation into super pac spending.
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overseeing outside spending. as of today, totals $360 million so far this election. that's just what's been reported. if you've been watching john avalon's series all week, you'll know what's reported isn't always the truth. always the dark money hiding in the corners. but tonight, you're talking about the watchdog agencies that are supposed to oversee these. you are saying they are too close. >> that's right. there's this gold rush going on. but it really is like the wild west. people are pushing boundaries. getting away with anything, because the laws are unclear, and the regulators are toothless watchdogs. they are not doing their jobs and it's adding to the chaos of the super pac economy. let's start with the first group. federal election commission. they're the group that should be overseeing super pacs. keeping an eye on collusion or coordination. here's the problem. federal election commission is divided into three republicans and three democrats. in the past, they have to figure out a big issue to be able to work together. >> i have a terrible feeling
that i know. >> they are just reflexively deadlocked 3-3 on almost every issue. i spoke to larry noble. he told us over the past ten year, you've had a great increase in the 3-3 splits on the commission due to the fact they won't compromise. so you have a less aggressive commission. where have we heard that before? division leading to dysfunction. that's the story of the sec these days. >> what i like to call the three cs. got to compromise. so, what are the solutions? >> let's start with the irs. because of the role of 501 c 4s. the dark money organizations we talked about last night. the irs should be playing a role. they don't want to get involved in politics. they're only three irs civil servants in an office in dallas overseeing the entire review process for political involved. three people. >> to oversee -- >> the entire universe of
politically involved 501 c4s. >> a case where the government may need to get bigger to do its job. >> the rules in place haven't been adopted since 1959. a bunch organizations wrote letter es. they responds saying they're aware of the current interest in the issue and said we will consider changes. that's not going to happen until after the election. >> john avalon, thanks, then there's always another election and we know what that means. maybe things will change. ahead, a brand new poll just in from a battleground state. will the the lead hold through election day and who is in the lead and is president obama sending mixed messages overseas? and the dance craze sweeping the world. but be warned. this can get you fired. you've been busy for a dead man. after you jumped ship in bangkok, i thought i'd lost you.
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we start the second half of our show with stories we care about where we focus on our own reporting from the front lines and first, the justice department's inspector general has released a report on the botched fast and furious operation and found 14 employees at the doj and bureau of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms were responsible for the failures that led to 2,000
missing guns. now, they were referred for possible disciplinary action, but not criminal sanctions and this is the thing that's going to get everybody going. the report also found that eric holder did not, not, not learn about the operation until early 2011 when congress beganpress ing him for information. an an tres who starred in the anti-islam film is suing the film's producer. this was filed by cindy lee garcia. is it alleges fraud, invasion of privacy, misappropriation of garcia's likeness. she is also suing youtube and google for refusing to remove the content from the website causing what she allegations is irreparable harm. in an interview, they said she didn't know the producer was making an anti-islam film and thought she was making an adventure movie. garcia says she has received death threats over the film.
penn state president says the university plans to settle with jerry sandusky's victims in the near future. he fold told bloomberg news that they are working through a process to settle ideally all of the lawsuits. michael mccann says an indicator for how much each victim might receive is to look at the catholic church, pay $268,000 for every claim. he suspects the university will play a premium to try to basically avoid going to trial. american airlines has canceled about 300 flights since sunday in part because pilots are calling in sick. they are unhappy with their current contract. it lets americans outsource more flights to partner airlines. pilots union had new rules imposed because they failed to reach a deal with management and the airline this week began sending notices to 11,000 workers warning their jobs are
at risk. about 4,400 are expected to be cut. it has been 412 days since this country lost its top credit rating. what are we doing to get it back? unemployment continues to be a problem. under the president's health care law, 6 million people will pay a penalty in 2016 because they are uninsured. the previous estimate was 4 million, but the cbo had to revise higher. our fourth story "outfront", the president taking a big lead in the swing state of michigan. obama is ahead of romney by eight percentage points there. john king in sterling heights. so, what is the take away from this poll? >> the biggest take away has to be what you call a missed opportunity for the republican nominee, mitt romney. nevada has the unwelcome distinction of being the state with the highest unemployment rate.
for month and months and i could keep going, michigan had that for so long. plus, mitt romney was born here. if there was one blue state in america that had just the right recipe for mitt romney to turn red or into a competitive battleground, you would think his birth state of michigan would be it. you have to think at least for now, local republicans haven't given up hope. >> is there something to watch here on the gender divide in michigan? >> well, that's one of the fascinating things when you look deep into our polls. you mentioned the eight-point lead. the president is up well among women, but the president's running ahead in men. 51% for president obama, 46% for mitt romney. now, mitt romney leads among white men, which is something you'll find across the country. but this is one of those bigger, diverse states and a state where the president has a huge edge american african-americans and other minorities. if the president's leading in a state of men, that's winning it.
>> it's got to be a very frightening statistic for the romney campaign. another thing, you're in michigan, the heart of auto land. how much of this spread we're seeing is due to the auto bailout that you've been able t ascertain? >> a good amount. there's no question about it. you're seeing this, it's not huge, but there's beginning to be a bit more optimism in young voters about the future of the economy. it might not feel great today, but they look a year ahead, and they starting to feel better. this is one of the places where you find that. i'm just a few miles from gm plants, chrysler plants, that was shut down just a few years ago. we stopped by a uaw hall today. i asked do you owe your job to the president? he said yes. in oakland and macomb counties, obama and romney running even, but macomb county, the home of auto industry, 13-point negligent the blue collar detroit suburbs that to be
critical, this is the birthplace, they used to call it the birthplace of so-called reagan democrats. union households, the president's up 13 points. reagan democrats might break from their party, they're not breaking to vote for mitt romney. >> all right. thank you very much to john king. the united states and china appear to be on a collision course. china has promised to investigate today after protesters swarmed u.s. ambassador gary locke's car in beijing. he got stuck in a demonstration which was technically taking place over japan's control of islands in the south china sea. it was an image which got a lot of people's attention and caused anxiety given actions we've seen in the middle east. the move in china comes as leon panetta wrapped up a very important visit. a crucial visit. he met with the future chinese president and on the agenda, the american military build up in
asia, which china sees as a direct threat. and in fact, the relationship between the u.s. and its allies has become one of the bigs issues of 2012. amid signs the president could be losing ground when it comes to foreign policy. we wanted to talk about this poll and stood out to me. take a look at this poll. it shows the president's approval rating on the issue of foreign policy has fallen 12 points among independents. "outfront" tonight, stphanie cutter. good every good to see you. appreciate you taking the time. does that number in the poll worry you when you look at independents and their approval of the president's foreign policy position? >> no, i think that poll is actually an outliar. you look inside those numbers and the question of who would be better at handling foreign policy, who would you trust to make the best decisions on foreign policy, there has been no change. the results are the president being plus six over mitt romney in terms of who would make the
better foreign policy decisions. we're not worried about this. i think the american people see the president having a steady hand and a strong vision on foreign policy. we've got a strong record. whether it's killing osama bin laden, ending the war in iraq, holding china accountable on trade to ensure we're protecting american workers. we've got a very strong record. >> i'm curious specifically when it comes to the middle east. as you and i know, there's been a lot of coverage on romney's response to attacks on the embassy in cairo. a lot of criticism. and that's been a big part of the conversation. but yet, there's a report today that the united states was warned of an attack on the egyptian embassy, that it was imminent, two days before it happened. arwa damon has said repeatedly the u.s. was warned three days before the libyan attack that there would be an attack. if that's true, didn't the administration drop the ball? >> well, i can't talk about
intelligence reports. i'm not in the white house. i'm out here on the campaign. i'll leave that to my colleagues in the white house, but i do know they said there was no information provided on that in advance of the attack, but they are conducting an investigation to get to the bottom of why those attacks occurred and what they could done to better protect the ambassador and security. in terms of how the president and mitt romney handled the crisis, i think the american people have drawn a conclusion that the president handled it like a commander in chief and mitt romney shot from the hip. as the president said, shot and aimed later. by 2-1 i think in a recent pow pew poll. americans believe the president handled that crisis better than mitt romney. so i think that the conversation will continue, and, you know, mitt romney in the now-famous leaked videotape from the
high-end fund-raiser, claimed that he would take advantage of a foreign policy crisis. just like the iran hostage crisis. i wonder whether or not the libya statement was an attempt to do that. >> and one thing i'm wondering, i understand your point, you're not the intelligence spokesperson so you can't say what they knew, whether there was a failure there. but what about the images? the protests against america in the middle east are happening and they're continuing. we're having these attacks, green-on-blue in afghanistan where americans are being killed by the afghans they're supposed to be training. there was an attack in afghanistan yesterday about this film. supposedly a retaliation for it that killed 12 people. as these images keep coming in. they're not stopping. aren't you worried people might say, hey, why aren't they stop ing? what's my boss doing about it? >> i do think their boss doing something about it.
we just walked through the results in recent polling, that they do see the president having a steady hand on foreign policy. protecting america's interest. obviously, those aren't pictures we want to see on the evening news, but more importantly, what you're doing about it. and i think the american people approve of what the president is doing. >> and i want to talk about china briefly. so many things foreign policy wise, i'd love to spend all day. but time is limited. >> i know. >> i'm sure you are acutely aware of that. and don't get any sleep. the obama administration filed a new enforcement claim against the wto about china also rolled out a new television ad saying we're tough on china. here it is. >> tough on china? not mitt romney. when a flood of chinese tires threatened a thousand american jobs, it was president obama who stood up to china. and protected american workers. mitt romney attacked obama's decision. said standing up to china was bad for the nation and our workers. how can mitt romney take on the cheaters when he's taking their
side? >> all right. so, called china the cheaters at the same time, leon panetta had the first ever high level defense department visit there. isn't that at the least, a mixed message. at the most, hypocritical is this? >> no, i don't think so. but, et steak and everyone hates it when their steak doe wasn't the. you know, whether it's the tire industry, the automobile industry, auto suppliers, steel, the president will continue standing up to ensure our companies, industries and workers are on a level playing field and that nobody is trying to lip mate the market against them. that's why we have our trade enforcement offices. that's the president
strengthened our ability to strengthen trade laws. we filed twice the number of enforcement actions against china over the last four years. than bush did in eight years. that's because the president made it a priority of ensuring manufacturing jobs would be created here. that our companies could compete globally and american workers were protected. >> i would love to get into it with you and have fun debating that, whether it helps, hurts, american jobs. topic for another day. hope to have you back. thanks. ahead, her screams went unanswered after a botched 911 call, but now, the family is trying to hold a city and its police department accountable. [ woman ] it's 32 minutes to go time,
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32-year-old deanna cook called dallas 911 begging for help as her ex-husband attacked her in her home. it took nearly ten minutes to dispatch police and 50 minutes for officers to arrive on the scene. police say they checked the outside of the house, that they spoke to neighbors, didn't find any signs of foul play, and then they left. but two days later, deanna cook was found dead in her beth bathtub by her sister. her ex-husband is charged with her murder. outfront tonight, her sister and family attorney aubrey nick pittman. carletha, a more difficult month than you could can have probably ever imagined. i want to ask you about the lawsuit. police have acknowledged the 911 call was handled improperly. that it never should have happened the way it happened. what are you hoping get out of
the lawsuit? >> i think we were hoping to shine a light on the dallas police department. we understand that they changed some policies, but we would like a culture change as well. the way certain locations are handled or the way certain people are handled and like this never to happen in anyone else again. >> you say certain locations or people, i want to ask the question, do you think your sister was treated differently because she was black? >> i'm not sure if it was because she was black. i think it had something to do with location and maybe race but i think there needs to be a culture change in the dallas police department. >> is this something where it is gross -- perhaps bad training or
negligence? ian there are 75 dispatchers and 1.9 million calls in 2011 in dallas. is this a dramatically under funded and understaffed 911? or is there discrimination against people who live in certain neighborhoods, certain socioeconomic income levels or people of certain races? >> we believe there is -- there is a combination of things. there is the understaffing for the 911 call center. bad training by the dallas police department in terms of how to prioritize calls and how to conduct an investigation. we also believe there is an issue with how the dallas police department looks at domestic violence victims. we know that ms. cook had called in before, so police were aware so police knew she was a domestic violence victim. there are different ways they hanel domestic violence calls and different ways they hanel it
in certain neighborhoods, high crime rate neighborhoods tend to get less assistance or prolonged assistance from the dallas police department, and we are unaware of any situation in a more affluent neighborhood where police would take 50 minutes to arrive on the scene. we were able to find information where the police actually stopped at a convenience store prior to the time they arrived at ms. cook's residence, we don't think that would happen in another neighborhood. >> carletha, what made you decide to go ahead with the lawsuit? what made you decide to be that person? >> we think the dallas police department doesn't take domestic violence situations serious enough. and i think that's what we're trying to gain from the lawsuit. trying to put it out there, that it is serious, and it needs to be handled differently. >> nick, what changes do you
think you can make happen on the domestic violence front. it seems regardless of race, many who are the victim of it do not complain at all and when they do, they go back to the same relationships and the awful and tragic endings happen much more than they should. >> we think hopefully with the lawsuit, certainly the dallas police department will start paying more attention to the training they give their officers, so their officers will know that domestic violence is a serious situation, over a third of the women who were killed in texas over the last few years were victims for domestic violence and we think that police should take it a lot more seriously than they have so far. >> we really appreciate you taking the time. thank you. >> thank you. >> the dallas police department told us they could not comment on the lawsuit today. next, how the number one song around the world got 14 americans fired. as you age... would you take it?
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